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Kirkby rises from the ashes

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Sorry to bring bad news but Kirby is back on the agenda. Gordon Brown, no less has backed a revised plan to include a stadium. Check out the Daily Post.
Chris Halliday,     Posted 07/12/2009 at 11:16:45

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Richard Dodd
1   Posted 07/12/2009 at 08:54:58

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In my view the Everton PR Department is crap — I could do a far better job myself! The immediate post DK decision comments were a disaster and the Club should have waited until the dust settled and the Labour big-wigs had had a chance to consider the impact of their Minister’s decision on their vote.

As it is,it has been left to Sir Terry to get into discussions with The PM and show him the grave error of this decision. Blue Bill has only his PR department to blame for setting him up for the most humiliating climb down in his career as DK gets a belated go-ahead immediately after Christmas.

Ste Traverse
2   Posted 07/12/2009 at 09:05:21

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Richard, can't you do us all a favour and get out of our faces, you're an embarrassment. Wasn’t you saying only a few weeks ago that even you would lose faith in "Blue" Bill if Kirkby wasn’t given the go ahead and that the money was in place. Yet despite the knock back you still obviously have "faith". Your nothing but a wind up. Do one.
Gerry Dignam
3   Posted 07/12/2009 at 10:54:12

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Had a text this morning that the disaster which is Kirkby is back on track. If Kenwright goes back on his word and pursues this, this really will be the end of our club. The fan base is totally split on this issue. My message to the board is to stay at Goodison, do the stadium up and keep Everton in this city because that is were we belong. If we go to Kirkby, I for one will not renew my season ticket, I will choose which games to attend whilst we are still at Goodison, and walk away for good if we move to Kirkby.
John Keating
4   Posted 07/12/2009 at 12:54:40

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Not that it will be read I suppose but I e.mailed the PM's office to declare my disgust that with all the other problems we have in the country just now, he feels DK must be revisited.

If he can ride roughshod over a legitimate decision given by a properly constituted inquiry then what was the point of it all. Why waste all that time and money. Can't believe this idiot.

Ciarán McGlone
5   Posted 07/12/2009 at 14:32:47

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Hearsay and speculation.

However it would be rather funny (albeit a complete disaster) if Kenwright started doing a ’grand old duke of York’ routine...
Colin Malone
6   Posted 07/12/2009 at 14:39:55

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Just heard it on Radio City, They spoke to one Kirkby resident, who was glad it was back on the table.

Our local media are a fucking big joke.

Anyone got Gordon Browns E.mail address?
Dave Roberts
7   Posted 07/12/2009 at 14:47:54

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Gerry Dignam

Could you please explain the research you have carried out that allows you to state that ’the fanbase is totally split’ on the Kirkby issue....and, furthermore, what your definition of ’ totally split’ is?

Whatever the truth of this news ( and it appears to be true) the overwhelming view I have received from the ordinary Evertonians I know, speak to at half time and sit by in Upper Bullens and drink with before the game is one of overall disappointment and not a little anger at the original decision to decline the development at Kirkby.

Don’t confuse Toffeeweb (for all it’s virtues) with the ’fanbase’ nor even the real world. Toffeeweb has a particular clientelle which has a worthwhile view on Everton matters but is not particularly representative of the views of the Evertonian at large (many of whom who have never heard of Toffeeweb or even have access to a computer)

I eagerly await a report concerning your research methodology. Thanks.
Ciarán McGlone
8   Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:04:55

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’Could you please explain the research you have carried out that allows you to state that ’the fanbase is totally split’ on the Kirkby issue....’

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Don’t be an arse.

Don’t confuse you and your mates as teh real world either..

It’s as plain as the nose on pinnochio’s face that the fans are split on this decision!
Dave Roberts
9   Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:06:56

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Once again Ciaran you confuse your view with everbody else’s! Don’t be a tit!
Ciarrai Hyslop
10   Posted 07/12/2009 at 14:57:25

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@Richard... I think the Everton PR did a perfect job on their response. Whats the point on kicking up a hissee fit because we did’nt get the green light on Kirkby. They are not idiots, they knew exactly how to play the reaction... and because they were cooperative, humble and dignified in their response, Gordon Brown has seen the aftermath of the decision and is now stepping in. Gordon Brown could come out of this like a knight in shining armor and its in his best interest too. THIS IS VERY POSITIVE NEWS, and i am as happy as a pig in shit to hear this news. SO LIGHTEN UP!
Colin Fitzpatrick
11   Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:09:50

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Mr Brown questioning the competency of Her Majesty’s Planning Inspectorate who quite clearly highlighted the fact that this application, also opposed by all neighbouring authorities, attempted to run a coach and horses through local, regional and national planning regulations? No, I think not, some mischief making by the Right Honourable member for Knowsley, George Howarth MP, and the local council who are attempting to address the major own goal that they have scored prior to next years elections.

Tesco are always going to come back with another application; one that is less than 50,000 m² but nowhere near the 15,000 m² that is allowed under the current Knowsley UDP. When they resubmit it will appear that Howarth, Round and Ramsay have been busily employed representing the best interests of the people of Kirkby; pity they didn’t do that in the first place and the thing would have been nearly built by now.

Dirty business this politics game; don’t believe everything you read in the press or on the radio; Everton’s involvement in a future application? None whatsoever; I’ve heard it straight from the horses mouth, time to move on.

Dave Roberts
12   Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:22:58

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Should the Kirkby scheme now be revitalised, it now has the additional impetus (as far as the stadium aspect is concerned) of being the last great hope of any Merseyside involvement in a successful bid for the 2018 World Cup. Our neighbours will not be building their proposed new stadium without a miracle and that leaves Kirkby as the only viable prospect as neither Goodison nor Anfield met FIFA’s requirements.

Accordingly, it could now well be the case that the Kirkby project has the weight of positive Government support as well as support from the Region as a whole. Does anybody suggest that BK would not be affected by a personal call from Gordon Brown that could re-engage him with the KIrkby project? I doubt it!
Ciarán McGlone
13   Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:27:24

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’Once again Ciaran you confuse your view with everbody else’s! Don’t be a tit! ’

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How did you come to that conclusion? Ask you mates did ye?

What is the name for someone who denies the patently fucking obvious?
Ciarán McGlone
14   Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:33:09

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’Accordingly, it could now well be the case that the Kirkby project has the weight of positive Government support as well as support from the Region as a whole’
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Jesus. You ask for evidence that the fans are split over Kirkby...then you come out with this dung - that Kirkbuy has the support of everyone in teh region’

Un-fucking-believable.
Tommy Gibbons
15   Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:32:00

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Heyy... what a laugh eh? Really wiping the smug look off the minority anti-Kirkby brigade! Maybe, just maybe this news might give the Liverpool City Council the kick up the arse to not only give us a site (Clarence Dock) but arrange for grants etc to help us build the fuckin thing! Coz if they don’t... Kirkby it will be.

If this is a little confusing, I’m like most people, we want investment into the club and it seems having a new stadium is the way we’ll get it and we’re past caring where that stadium will be.

Craig Taylor
16   Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:37:25

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Ciarán I believe the name you are searching for is COCK!
Shaun Brennan
17   Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:39:06

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Sorry did you read that in the Daily Post? Don’t be so naive and believe anything is written in that rag or the Echo!
Tony Waring
18   Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:07:44

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So Gordon Brown and Phil Woolas are not happy about leaving Everton’s fate to the forces of the "free market". So Tesco has now been nationalised has it ? If anyone has an emial address for No 10 please post it here and encourage all Evertonians to respond in proper style!
Peter Gibbons
19   Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:57:04

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If Kenwright goes back on his " that chapter is over and the book is closed " statement then he’s a bigger nob than i thought he was. Why is this 2018 world cup bid suddenly a reason for a government u-turn. This is about the future of everton football for the next hundred years, and not some crap sure to be rejected world cup bid. But why not split your fanbase in two just so we can have a crap stadium in the middle of nowhere and say it was part of a failed 2018 world cup bid!
Dave Wilson
20   Posted 07/12/2009 at 15:56:13

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"Can you please explain the research you’ve carried out that allows you to state the fans base is totally split on the Kirkby issue"

Lol The funniest post of the year
John Keating
21   Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:12:50

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Dave Roberts
forget Toffeeweb for a minute - though I see you subscribe even though we’re not in the real world - I too am an Evertonian and speak to ordinary Evertonians and the overwhelming view I get is one of relief that DK was thrown out for all the right reasons.Therefore to me that shows that all the people I speak too have opposite views to all the people you speak too. Result - a totally split fanbase.
Chris Briddon
22   Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:23:58

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For those that bothered to read the article (which judging by some of the comments isn’t many of you!). The proposal is to build Tesco & the stadium on the planned site, but locate the other proposed retail in Kirkby town centre instead, which was the main location to be affected by the development. Thus re-generating the town centre and bringing extra income / jobs to the local area.
Ciairan - i think Dave was aon about political groups not individuals when he was on about support from the region, as without a new Anfield, there will be limited options regarding world cup venues in the area, meaning no games and no extra revenue to the area.
Dave Roberts
23   Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:29:15

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John Keating

Not necessarily. I might speak to more people than you do...or vice-versa. It is the definition of ’totally split’ I am interested in. It only takes one dissenting voice to represent a split, that I have no argument with...but what does ’totally split’ mean? Haven’t had an answer yet!
Ciarán McGlone
24   Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:35:46

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’It is the definition of ’totally split’ I am interested in’
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Oh FFS....how about this then..Over 40% of those who voted, voted against it..

Does that satisfy your definition ??
Peter Gibbons
25   Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:35:59

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Dave,
the fanbase was "totally split" back in 2007 with 41 % voting no, never mind in 2009 after what came out in the public inquiry.
Howard Don
26   Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:45:31

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Oh please no! And by that I don’t mean anything one way or the other re DK.

Just that this will be another micro managed U-turn by Gordon Brown because he’s suddenly got worried that his minister’s vastly expensive, over year-long public enquiry may have come up with a verdict that could lose him votes. Cue hasty U-turn with no consideration of the evidence, and another Brown "back of a fag packet" compromise idea that will inevitably end in an almighty cock up.

Please, whoever it may concern, don’t touch this with a barge pole.
Kevin Sparke
27   Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:48:00

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If the government are so concerned about Merseyside hosting a World Cup venue, why don’t they give us some taxpayer’s money to build a stadium in the heart of Merseyside...The City of Liverpool

They did it for Manchester!

The only people who are happy about this Lazarus like resurrection are the gobshites who voted for Kikby and who have then spent 2 years on this site either saying they were conned or they’re very sorry...

Amazing, just fucking amazing - only at Everton eh?
John Keating
28   Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:53:29

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Dave, I can’t give you a definition of totally split. What I can say is that I believe 40% voting no PRIOR to the enquiry is sufficient for any right minded person to use the term " totally split "

I would also suggest that since the enquiry it is more likely that more yes supporters have changed their opinion rather than vice versa.

Dave I can’t do any better than that and if that doesn’t satisfy you then I don’t know what will.

Kevin Jones
29   Posted 07/12/2009 at 16:49:34

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The best news I’ve heard in a long time. Once Peter Mandelson got involved I knew things would start moving in the right direction. The man actually has a brain unlike the arsehole who turned it down in the first place.

What Goverment official at a time of recession knocks back, 6,000 short-term jobs, with 700 permenent jobs at the end of it, 600 appentices taken on from the 3 Kirkby schools, God knows how much sub-contracted work to the small engineering / joinery companies within the Kirkby / Knowsley area. £0.5 Billion investment without costing the Goverment a penny.

Kirkby actually dragged into the 21st Century and the Blues a half decent stadium at a resonable price. All this bullshit about mid-range stadiums etc get's on my fucking nerves. Most people go the match and spend less than 2 hours in the ground so what do you want — fluffy fucking cushions on each seat?

There will be enough corporate for those who can afford it and the rest of us will be able to get a drink have a pie take a piss without having to queue for 20 minutes in some rat invested shithole which is the 3/4 of the ground, Park End excluded.

Now its time for those in favour to stand up and be counted, otherwise the vocal minority will get its way again... Ah well, off home now so good night.

Anthony Doran
30   Posted 07/12/2009 at 17:17:42

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FFS I thought we were done with the Tesco fiasco.
Peter Gibbons
31   Posted 07/12/2009 at 17:40:21

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That "rat invested shithole" has been the home of every great Everton team for over the last hundred years. You can add "2 hours" to your journey time if Kirkby every got the go-ahead.
Gavin Ramejkis
32   Posted 07/12/2009 at 17:41:59

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Richard, Dave, Tommy and any other daydreaming apologists - please explain very carefully so we the enlightened who can comprehend RSS breaches, lack of transport facilities and how a town of 42,000 can cope with a 50,000 stadium?

Think carefully guys how a town designed and built to manage 42,000 - that's not 42,000 moving about to one location at the same time but ebb and flow traffic be it road or rail or (for those fantasists about you) bicycle.

FFS it’s fucking dead, common sense nailed it as a fucking Tesco pipe dream. If that blue-rinsed charlatan was a man he’d sell the club tomorrow for £30m, a clear £10m profit — £1m per year he has owned it and put fuck all of his own money into it beyond the cost of the shares — and give someone with money and a clue how to run it properly and not out of town.

Gavin Ramejkis
33   Posted 07/12/2009 at 17:47:46

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Dave, I asked the other day why the club didn’t even apply for any World Cup games before it was canned and funny not one soul answered - did they know it was down the khazi already? Elstone did indeed travel to London the other day for the World Cup bid but it was cap in hand to the RS asking if we could share their stadium as they have applied for matches.
Alan Kirwin
34   Posted 07/12/2009 at 18:00:27

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Kevin Sparke - I’m sure the government would be ecstatic at the prospect of a Merseyside stadium. Only one stadium would be used in Liverpool anyway. In fact I think in truth the vast majority of people of any persuasion would be delighted to go with a world class Merseyside stadium. But logic and common sense, as with good judgement, is often is short supply. You only have to read these threads to know that :)
Gavin Ramejkis
35   Posted 07/12/2009 at 18:31:18

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Alan, yes common sense but I think there is still a lot of bad blood between Liverpool and Labour Central Office. The city’s politics has been it’s downfall for decades, look at Manchester since the IRA bomb, pulled it’s act together and is booming, makes Liverpool look like a very poor relation. Innovative business people need to get their heads together and drive the city forward, history says sadly unlikely as too much bickering, infighting and distrust of too many of those involved.
Alan Clarke
36   Posted 07/12/2009 at 18:33:00

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Gordon Brown is not in a position to overrule the decision. Terry Leahy wants what is best for Tescos not Everton. Doddy, you seem to think Leahy has Everton’s interests at heart? Leahy will get the go ahead for a scaled down Tescos but there won’t be a stadium.

The decision on Kirkby has taken over a year, and a lot of evidence for and against the project has been taken into account. Quite how Brown thinks he can just overturn the decision of the experts is beyond me. Brown can say what he wants now anyway because he’s a dead man walking.
Mark Jardell
37   Posted 07/12/2009 at 19:25:01

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The headline is "Brown to revive Kirkby nightmare?"
And you say this isn’t a negative, unbiased website!
Ste Traverse
38   Posted 07/12/2009 at 19:24:46

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I don’t believe this. The nightmare of Kirkby is back. Has the town clown that is Brown got nothing better to do?
Paul Gladwell
39   Posted 07/12/2009 at 19:42:37

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Dave Roberts, go down stairs in the Park End at half time and hear opinions there, I think you will find the fanbase is more than split there mate, even Elstone finally admitted it when Kirkby went tits up so stop talking shit about this site.

In fact I would say this site has a bigger share of pro-Kirkby heads than the actual match going blues, as it seemed IMHO a large amount of internet watching blues where in favour of Kirkby.

And did you not hear in the derby how loud the song ’The city is all ours’ was sung? and many where singing that with a little bit of ’up yours’ to those red dickheads.

Marc Williams
40   Posted 07/12/2009 at 20:41:12

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Richard Dodd writes : " In my view the Everton PR department is crap"

Richard, most of us on here think you are the Everton (well Kenwright) PR department, so congrratulations on finally finding some self-awareness!
Frank Fredi
41   Posted 07/12/2009 at 21:17:56

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I for one don’t like the idea of moving to Kirkby but I could never walk away from Everton. I have tried for over 30 years but I can’t. So what choice do I have? Kirkby needs some investment. This is a good idea for Labour who really look after the working people.
Shaun Brennan
42   Posted 07/12/2009 at 21:40:04

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Frank, as an aside, you wrote: "This is a good idea for labour who really look after working people."

I moved away from Liverpool to get a job after uni as none were available. I work for a living, i.e. i’m a working person. These jobs in Kirkby, what exactly are they?

Another thousand and odd low-paid jobs. Talk about keeping people in poverty. If this is the case and Brown has got involved, just more desperate measures from a desperate prime minister.

Gavin Ramejkis
43   Posted 07/12/2009 at 21:34:04

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Frank,labour haven’t looked after the working people since John Smith died, Tory Blair, the one eyed Jock clown, how many of the cabinet went to public school? The days of socialism in the labour party died long ago. Politics is all votes and feathering their own nests at tax payer’s expense.
Victor Johnson
44   Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:06:30

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Comeuppance to all those smug fucks who believed they were part of a popular uprising against the dreaded ’Mordor Billy’ and the crazy capitalists.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
45   Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:17:23

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Mark Jardell, if the "unbiased" Daily Post calls it a "dream" I have no compunction in calling it a "nightmare" — all in the interests of balance don’t you see?

"Frank Fredi" — sorry but either you are of mixed parentage or you’re just making that up. Let’s be having something more sensible as a name please.

"toshi mc" — same applies to you.
Victor Johnson
46   Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:19:25

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So who did u vote for Gavin?
Phil Roberts
47   Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:20:10

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Once again this inept idiot who occupies No10 makes a total muck up.

Quicker we get them out of power the better
Dennis Stevens
48   Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:11:35

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Hurrah! Gormless Brown’s involvement can only mean one thing - there will never be an Everton stadium in Kirkby! The 13 years of socialist mis-rule are nearly up & Brown may finally achieve something positive by giving this proposal the kiss of death - at least that’ll put him 1 up on Tory Bliar.
Victor Johnson
49   Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:28:34

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Great, so now DK is a political conspiracy by the reformed Socialists against the ’rank and file’. Michael, get a grip and delete this political drivel. Or maybe you also believe that Engels was in fact right all along...
David O'Keefe
50   Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:37:22

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Victor is a Stalinist. Grow up and give up this lame attempt to pressurise the editors into censoring the views of those you disagree with.

Kevin Sparke
51   Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:32:12

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I know that this isn’t a politics website; but I cant let this one go

Dennis Stevens - calling Brown a Socialist is like calling Duncan Ferguson a kopite - he just isn’t - not by any definition of the word... calling him that makes you sound... well, quite silly.

Alan Kirwin - The City of Manchester Stadium was built using at least 100 million of public money... (70 million(ish) from central govt and 30 or so million of Manchester Council tax payers)

When Man City took it on they spent 30 million converting it into a three tier stadium.

Why did they get this? A failed bid to hold the Olympics...

Well, Brown has said he wants World Cup Football in Liverpool... why doesn’t he put some money up front then if he is so keen?
Victor Johnson
52   Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:48:03

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Ok David so let’s keep the debate sensible. Maybe it’s Pol Pot’s fault...
Steve Green
53   Posted 07/12/2009 at 22:56:30

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Hey Kevin Jones, wake up to the real economy and the real world. Six hundred apprenticeships from Kirkby schools and sub contracted work within the Knowsley / Kirkby area. Hell, there must be an awful lot of Albanians, Lithuanians, Slovakians and ethnic Serbs leaving schools in Kirkby next June and a load of Poles rubbing there hands at the prospect of sending more money back to Warsaw courtesy of the local sub contracting of Tesco Terry and pals.
FFS - realistic please.
Louis Platt
54   Posted 07/12/2009 at 23:43:05

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Please can we nip this in the bud?

The Liverpool Echo and Daily Post have spun this into Gordon Brown reviving the Kirkby stadium. This is not true. He has asked people to look into an alternative way of regeneration for Kirkby.

Phil Woolas has confirmed that the stadium is NOT on the agenda.

The word "Everton" just makes a better story.

It’s worth noting that club officials didn’t see the need to attend a meeting with Knowsley Council and the Minister of the North West this evening...
John Andrews
55   Posted 08/12/2009 at 01:08:11

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You can mail the PM at Number10.gov.uk. I have yet to receive an answer to any of my questions but continue to mail him.
Dennis Stevens
56   Posted 08/12/2009 at 00:59:59

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Kevin Sparke - thankyou for informing us all that Labour have renounced socialism! Perhaps you should let them know : "Britain’s democratic SOCIALIST party led by Gordon Brown" according to their website.
He may not qualify according to your definition of the term, but that’s the reality - you pretending otherwise is ... " well, quite silly".
Matt Traynor
57   Posted 08/12/2009 at 02:24:11

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Kevin Jones:
"What Goverment official at a time of recession knocks back, 6,000 short-term jobs, with 700 permenent jobs at the end of it, 600 appentices taken on from the 3 Kirkby schools, God knows how much sub-contracted work to the small engineering / joinery companies within the Kirkby / Knowsley area. £0.5 Billion investment without costing the Goverment a penny."

Er, right. Cos Tesco and Barr are upstanding companies with such a strong sense of Corporate Social Responsibility that the construction jobs will all go to locals. Hmmm. Shareholders, profit maximising, cost minimising, cheap foreign labour....?

The wonderful Liverpool One development. What proportion of the construction jobs went to locals? Not a lot. Fact is, Brits are too expensive and don’t want to undertake "hard labour" like construction, farming etc. which is why the Poles, and other Eastern European countries were happy to supply most of the labour.
Gavin Ramejkis
58   Posted 08/12/2009 at 07:44:16

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Victor, who did you vote for? I don’t bother as they are all cunts...over to you comrade Stalin
Paul Gladwell
59   Posted 08/12/2009 at 07:54:34

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Frank Fredi, how would good ole Labour look after the people who would lose there jobs in Walton if Everton left for Kirkby?
Those people and that area need Everton more than Kirkby does.
Paul Gladwell
60   Posted 08/12/2009 at 07:57:12

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Kevin Jones, "rat infested shithole"!
You just dont get it do you?
Richard Dodd
61   Posted 08/12/2009 at 08:06:43

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The Editor having trained me to speak only for myself, I will say only this. In my humble opinion, if Everton don’t geta new stadium within the next five years we shall be languishing in the Championship at best!

Kirkby may not be everybody’s dream of the ideal location but it did afford a reasonably priced solution to a massive problem. Those who have danced on its grave may well rue the day they did so.

Here’s praying for Lazarus to do a reprise!

Kevin Sparke
62   Posted 08/12/2009 at 08:28:31

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Dennis - thank you for your educational post, I feel I now now everything there is to know about Brown and socialism... right through from A to B.
Victor Johnson
63   Posted 08/12/2009 at 08:55:41

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Gavin, a great number of people have died fighting for the right you disregard so easily, and oh so shamefully. Your response says a lot about you.
Chad Schofield
64   Posted 08/12/2009 at 09:59:39

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Here, here Louis Platt.

"The scheme that we are looking at for the town centre does not include a football stadium.

"What I’m saying on behalf of the government is that we’re not going to abandon the need for regeneration in Kirkby just because we’ve been knocked back at this stage."

Phil Woolas, Minister of State (the North West)

As he’s a politician he has covered himself with "At this stage we are not ruling a stadium in or out of the plans but our main emphasis is on regeneration." rather than saying it’s dead in the water etc

Dave Roberts, when have you offered your scientific methods in which you’ve researched opinion? What a ridiculous argument.
Gavin Ramejkis
65   Posted 08/12/2009 at 10:12:35

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Comrade Victoir, you know fuck all, for the last three years I have worked with the MoD and directly with braver young men and women than a shithouse espousing politics on the web and many that came back horrendously disfigured, disabled and not publicised or in sealed coffins. Now where are your fucking credentials? Ever been to a repatriation? Ever worked with a young marine and met his girlfriend, whom he promised that he would marry when he came back from Afghanistan only to be killed and she thus doesn’t get a widowers war pension? Come on Victor cards on the table.
Richard Jones
66   Posted 08/12/2009 at 10:24:34

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Doddy you’ve already made a fool of yourself on this thread, you’re hero has failed you, his plan wan’t deliverable now stop EMBARRASSING yoursefl man!!

Its no good saying it was going to do this and that for us when it failed and he was told it would fail.
Ciarán McGlone
67   Posted 08/12/2009 at 09:42:32

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’Comeuppance to all those smug fucks who believed they were part of a popular uprising against the dreaded ’Mordor Billy’ and the crazy capitalists.’
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Didn’t you shuffle off the site the last time you were asked to explain to the ’smug fucks’ why you objected to the rejection?

Greg Murphy
68   Posted 08/12/2009 at 11:20:15

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Crikey!

Last week I was on here saying how, ultimately, I feel sorry for Everton’s PR department (poisoned chalice etc).

But Richard Dodd just says he thinks it’s a crap operation.

Comes to something when you actually find yourself being more positive and sympathetic towards the Club than Doddy!

The world’s gone mad!

Neil Pearse
69   Posted 08/12/2009 at 13:03:08

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Guys, first rule in politics (especially as you head into a general election): headlines are more important than facts. Not at all suprising that Labour is (generally) trying to make some political capital by saying it is still determined to regenerate Kirkby.

As usually a Labour supporter (not for a while after Iraq), I don’t blame them. But they will make no decision about Kirkby before the election. And even then it would surely be allowing a ’scaled down’ version - i.e. no stadium. No need to get too excited.
Charles King
70   Posted 08/12/2009 at 15:13:30

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Chad Schofield and Louis Platt

Thank you for putting meat on the bone, just recovering from flu here, thought I was going to have a coronary reading DK was to rise from the dead. Time for another Lemsip then sleep, no nightmares just peaceful sleep.
David O'Keefe
71   Posted 08/12/2009 at 17:04:58

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You mean PR not politics, don’t you Neil? Or are they the same thing now?
Ray Kelly
72   Posted 08/12/2009 at 16:53:28

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Victor, you’ve now made political references on several threads on this site. Put it back in your academics bag please or post somewhere relevant. Your poisoned opinions are even more divisive than the Kirkby bullshit, the whole Kirkby stadium re-issue is a product of local ’impartial’ (ha ha) hacks and will never happen.
Victor Johnson
73   Posted 08/12/2009 at 20:34:59

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Ciaran
I actually have a life other than parking my sorry butt in front of the computer. And your (same old) point is?
Victor Johnson
74   Posted 08/12/2009 at 20:37:29

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Gavin
Spare me the emotional pointscoring. I lost my grandfather in WWII and other family members at Auschwitz. I don’t need to bring it up to make a point or prove my worth. We see the world differently - I simply see it as my duty to them (and all who suffer in the name of the country and what we stand for) to vote - even if that means a spoilt vote. Let’s leave it at that.
Dennis Stevens
75   Posted 08/12/2009 at 22:08:26

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Kevin - I make no attempt to educate - you were the one who wished to make a patronising point about socialism & Gordon Brown, & I don’t claim you are wrong as I don’t profess to be an expert on the subject. I merely pointed out that you seem to believe you know better than the party that chooses to apply that label to itself. Again, I don’t claim you are wrong, merely that you could let them know how "silly" they are to use that term when you know it’s not really applicable. I think your claim to have found my post "educational" is merely false modesty masquerading as sarcasm, as it’s clearly you who can offer an education on socialism. A shame that you’re utilising it on here as this is an Evertonian website - by the way, that’s not "educational", just a statement of the obvious.
Robert Daniels
76   Posted 08/12/2009 at 23:04:36

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Cant understand why people are getting political, why are you even talking politics when we're talking about the blues?

Now if you were talking about how Tesco Terry and his merry men support the Labour Party then that's ok, that's why they thought they would smash planning regulations and get their next superstore (THE BIGGEST ONE IN ENGLAND) at Kirkby. 'Cause they fund the labour party and its major funding! So Tesco Terry and his mottley crew must've thought they were home and dry well tough titty.

Anyway why are we talking politics when there isn't a party that isn't in it for there own ends. all of them, it's allways been that way and allways will, it's the illuminate effect. So don't vote for anyone of them cause there all just playing a game of "let's see how much we can make this time".

So cut the political shite an let's stick to what matters, cause they're killing kids left right and centre in the name of freedom, our kids, other people's kids, but they're not doing it in my name. No matter what they say, gang of cunts.

Lee Kidd
77   Posted 09/12/2009 at 02:24:25

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I am (or was) firmly on the fence with DK, seeing pros and cons either way. However, this is now becoming farcical — the club and it’s fans would be far better served if this fiasco was now dropped permanently so we can progress forward. We’re in danger of becoming a tool in the business power games of Leahy and Mandelson.
Dennis Stevens
78   Posted 09/12/2009 at 21:56:14

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Hear! Hear! Robert - I must apologise, it seems my original comment was taken by Kevin as a sleight on Socialism & caused him to go off on one about it. I wasn’t trying to make a political point, so much as a point about politicians - much as you have done yourself.

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