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Rodwell - a false hope?
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Are we looking at another Branch, Cadamarteri, Barlow, Jeffers (who was sold at the right time), or is this guy the real deal and therefore we should refuse to sell him at all costs?
Personally I think that our financial position will force us to sell him, and if you believe the figures that have been quoted (£20mil+) then it seems mad to refuse.
We seem to have done quite well at commanding over-inflated prices for 'average Prem players' (Lescott/Johnson). On the playing side, he will be a sub once Neville is back, and recently say the last month or so it looks like we have had 10 men when he's been in the side.
He was non-existent last week against Spurs; it seems like any 6 ft player who does not break sweat when they run and looks squeaky clean is automatically considered to be a class act, a bit like Rio Ferdinand.
He is also showing signs of the darker side of the game, the wag bird (gormless soap star), flash motors, and now with advisors saying things like 'short- to mid-term' future, would imply that is he looking outside the realms of Moyses's guidance.
At this moment in time we are not in a position to gamble on certain young players and planning to build a future squad around them is futile as the trappings of fame and fortunes else where become apparent.
I know that this opinion may sound short sighted and unromantic but its related to the harsh reality of survival and cashing in while you can and as with any young player there is always a chance that their development will stagnate, thus making £20 mil sound even better should we decide to sell in January.
Luke Dunn, Posted 08/12/2009 at 08:03:06
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Like you I am wondering if it would be good business to let him go for the right price. The point is he is only a very good prospect. For all we know he may have reached a plateau and his progression may stop here. We could improve the side with 20m and the position we are in can we afford to take a chance on him? I’m not so sure we can.
No way anyone is stupid enough to pay £20 million for him, we would be lucky to get £10m. And there would be uproar if he did go for less so he wont be going anywhere.
Exactly my thoughts Ian. No one will be offering 20m so its a non-starter.
Ian I suggest you keep up. It was widely reported that Everton turned down a bid of £14m from Chelsea. If he goes it will be nearer £20m than £10m.
If someone comes in with £20m for an 18 year old, and especially given the risks of agents, money etc etc, then as Steve says it might represent excellent business.
For £20m? absolutely yes, sell & use the money to buy Fernandez and someone good to partner Jags.
If someone comes in with £20m for an 18 year old, and especially given the risks of agents, money etc etc, then as Steve says it might represent excellent business.
For £20m? absolutely yes, sell & use the money to buy Fernandez and someone good to partner Jags.
Absolutely not, he’s by far the best prospect since Rooney, and we have not had much better since him, he’s definitely a future England squad regular. He’s playing first team for us at 18, and he’s got incredible maturity for his age. He’s strong, he can head, he can tackle and he can pass. Obviously he’s got weaknesses to his game at his mental side, but he’s only 18!
I wouldn’t sell him, end of, or at least wait longer if we are absolutely desperate. What better young players are there at the moment? And do not say Wilshere!!
I wouldn’t sell him, end of, or at least wait longer if we are absolutely desperate. What better young players are there at the moment? And do not say Wilshere!!
The only reason we’re even discussing this is because we’re so strapped for cash under Bullshit Bill.
Under normal circumstances I would definitely keep Rodwell as IMO he has a great future in front of him.
I do know quite a few Matchgoing evertonians who have said they will stop going if we sell Rodwell, however due to cash constraints it would be worth cashing in if we get offered 20 million or thereabouts.
Under normal circumstances I would definitely keep Rodwell as IMO he has a great future in front of him.
I do know quite a few Matchgoing evertonians who have said they will stop going if we sell Rodwell, however due to cash constraints it would be worth cashing in if we get offered 20 million or thereabouts.
Wow - aren’t opinions different!
Where I sit in the ground, Rodwell has been nicknamed ’Jack Sideways’...
I cant see why Evertonians think he’s such a big prospect. He doesn’t produce any magic and he shapes up to the ball like a centre half, not a midfielder. He turns on the ball only to really face his back four.
To me he’s a centre half that is miles off getting a start in that position. He’s not a potent midfielder - he plays in space, never commits to challenges or offers to take the ball under pressure. On the occassion that he is closed down, the ball gets played sideways to a wing back in his own half.
I could be wrong, perhaps he is a great player with a great future...clearly some people think its true but for me, he’s nothing special.
Where I sit in the ground, Rodwell has been nicknamed ’Jack Sideways’...
I cant see why Evertonians think he’s such a big prospect. He doesn’t produce any magic and he shapes up to the ball like a centre half, not a midfielder. He turns on the ball only to really face his back four.
To me he’s a centre half that is miles off getting a start in that position. He’s not a potent midfielder - he plays in space, never commits to challenges or offers to take the ball under pressure. On the occassion that he is closed down, the ball gets played sideways to a wing back in his own half.
I could be wrong, perhaps he is a great player with a great future...clearly some people think its true but for me, he’s nothing special.
Alan Kirwin as far as im concerned its all paper talk, an if it were true then they must have more money than sense. As for wasting the money on fernandes, i would rather keep Rodwell.
I agree with you Jamie Rowland. He is very over rated by Evertonians
I agree with you Jamie Rowland. He is very over rated by Evertonians
Ian - having said that, Over rating him may not be a bad thing if we could pedal him at £20m...(unlikely though).
’Jack Rowell is very over rated by some Evertonians’.
’For me he is nothing special’
I really do worry about many Everton fans. Really.
If Rodwell is sold in Jan then my season ticket would be going straight back.
Anyone with one iota of football sense can surely see the massive potential is this kid.
Every club in the country would want Rodwell and some people want to sell him!!!
No wonder we are a small club with fans like some of the above.
’For me he is nothing special’
I really do worry about many Everton fans. Really.
If Rodwell is sold in Jan then my season ticket would be going straight back.
Anyone with one iota of football sense can surely see the massive potential is this kid.
Every club in the country would want Rodwell and some people want to sell him!!!
No wonder we are a small club with fans like some of the above.
The lad has got talent, but he needs to be at the likes of Arsenal or Man U, for him to progress, Chelsea would be a bad move for him.
Ryan,
Not sure why you would criticise my opinion - i’m not criticising yours.
What I am saying is that I dont get what all the fuss is about.
He doesn’t stand out from the crowd like Rooney did. He doesn’t take control of the game like Arteta does...they are special players.
Rodwell passes sideways and rarely takes a chance in the fear that it wont come off. I cant see this highly rated potential. But that is what makes football what it is. I wouldn’t criticise your opinion of him though - i’ll just state my own.
And another opinion - - we are a feeder club now, relying on the ’next hot prospect’ to top up the transfer kitty. End of really...
Not sure why you would criticise my opinion - i’m not criticising yours.
What I am saying is that I dont get what all the fuss is about.
He doesn’t stand out from the crowd like Rooney did. He doesn’t take control of the game like Arteta does...they are special players.
Rodwell passes sideways and rarely takes a chance in the fear that it wont come off. I cant see this highly rated potential. But that is what makes football what it is. I wouldn’t criticise your opinion of him though - i’ll just state my own.
And another opinion - - we are a feeder club now, relying on the ’next hot prospect’ to top up the transfer kitty. End of really...
Ryan.
Totally agree. The kid has class by the bucket load.
His balance and first touch are second to none. His distribution, well we can argue but IMO he has his orders as to where to play the ball and that is what he does. Put him in a team with class players all around and you will see a jewel.
Will we hang onto him? Now we can have the argument as to whether we are a small club or not!!!
Totally agree. The kid has class by the bucket load.
His balance and first touch are second to none. His distribution, well we can argue but IMO he has his orders as to where to play the ball and that is what he does. Put him in a team with class players all around and you will see a jewel.
Will we hang onto him? Now we can have the argument as to whether we are a small club or not!!!
Due to injuries, he's being played too often for his age.
This has affected his later performances,
IMO if we can keep him for another few years he could be worth over £30m.
This has affected his later performances,
IMO if we can keep him for another few years he could be worth over £30m.
Rodwell is as good at his age as any player I have seen while watching Everton (50 yrs). He is two footed, fast, a great tackler, can read the game and is completely unflustered (I used this word as I can't spell imperturbable).
Bear in mind he is playing in an injury ravaged midfield, Imagine him playing in a midfield of Pienaar, Arteta, Fellaini, Bily, Rodwell
also if anyone bids £20m we should tell them to piss off, this is no Lescott and is a certainty to play for England along with another £20m + teenager Wayne Rooney.
Yes, I did say Fellaini, I think the guy has stepped up the last few games, he just needs to get his hair cut so biased refs dont recognise him!
Does anyone else remember the interview with David Moyes when he first became the manager.
He said that after long discussion with the Everton all he wanted was for the bullshitter to let him build a team and not force him to sell his best players. Maybe this changed when he signed his new contract recently because we are now pretty obviously a selling club.
He said that after long discussion with the Everton all he wanted was for the bullshitter to let him build a team and not force him to sell his best players. Maybe this changed when he signed his new contract recently because we are now pretty obviously a selling club.
People moan we don’t play football and that we always hoof it. Rodwell and Fellaini both keep posession yet get criticised? If you watch Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal, Barca, Real etc not every pass is a killer ball, they retain posession and with others making the right runs opposing players get dragged out of position, gaps are created for the forwards to run into and Arteta, Pienaar can pick these passes.
Of course he can improve but he’s a young lad, give him a chance. If others were fit he wouldn’t have played as many games and wouldn’t be getting slagged off. In the future with Rodwell, Fellaini, Arteta and Pienaar we have the ability to play good football, be patient.
In the summer he was outstanding when he came on for England and went from a squad player to a key man within a week. Players like Muamba and Cattermole, who are premiership regulars and both gone for sizeable fees, looked like pub players next to him.
Of course he can improve but he’s a young lad, give him a chance. If others were fit he wouldn’t have played as many games and wouldn’t be getting slagged off. In the future with Rodwell, Fellaini, Arteta and Pienaar we have the ability to play good football, be patient.
In the summer he was outstanding when he came on for England and went from a squad player to a key man within a week. Players like Muamba and Cattermole, who are premiership regulars and both gone for sizeable fees, looked like pub players next to him.
Ryan and Mike. Praise the Lord that some people can see a little deeper than the odrdinary football fan. Rodwell is still potential, but what potential! He is playing week in, week out, in a Prem team at the age of 18. Sure, he doesn’t create fireworks like Rooney, but then he isn’t the same type of player. He is being played out of position but holding his own, and learning all the time. Has everyone forgotten that he is actually a Centre Back. In pre-season he was tried there unsuccessfully, but then HE’S STILL 18! In three years time when he’s physically and espiecially mentally ready, he has the chance of being sensational. Lightyears ahead of his contemporaries. He shouldn’t be near the first team yet but he still doesn’t look out of place. Just imagine a CB that can play the ball like our Jack. If it all goes well, you are looking at comparisons with Beckenbauer. And people want to cash in already!
Rodwell’s got everything.
I can’t believe some of our fans. He’s 18 years old and at times has been our best player and the only one in the team looking to pass the ball. At these times he’s been the lynchpin our team is built on. Despite this, some people want to sell him because at 18 he can’t do it all the time.
Opponents take him seriously and look to close him down, obviously limiting his impact, and by Moyes’ own admission, he’s played too often for his age. He’s even playing with an injury at the moment because we need him to.
As for the ’Jack Sideways’ comment, what do you want? Most of the complaints on this website are about the fact that we don’t play enough passing football to the feet of our own men, now we’re moaning about the kid who is actually prepared to do it... As well as the fact that that is basically his role in the team, he’s a centre back turned defensive midfielder (who’s scored some excellent goals as well by the way), he is supposed to keep the ball moving, its the job of others to be creative going forwards.
That people will come on here and criticise the 18-year-old lad, playing through an injury in a critical position in a weakened side really does make you despair.
What chance has anyone got with some of the people on here. I’ll wait til Arteta comes back, puts in a couple of dodgy corners and you’ll all be slagging him.
I can’t believe some of our fans. He’s 18 years old and at times has been our best player and the only one in the team looking to pass the ball. At these times he’s been the lynchpin our team is built on. Despite this, some people want to sell him because at 18 he can’t do it all the time.
Opponents take him seriously and look to close him down, obviously limiting his impact, and by Moyes’ own admission, he’s played too often for his age. He’s even playing with an injury at the moment because we need him to.
As for the ’Jack Sideways’ comment, what do you want? Most of the complaints on this website are about the fact that we don’t play enough passing football to the feet of our own men, now we’re moaning about the kid who is actually prepared to do it... As well as the fact that that is basically his role in the team, he’s a centre back turned defensive midfielder (who’s scored some excellent goals as well by the way), he is supposed to keep the ball moving, its the job of others to be creative going forwards.
That people will come on here and criticise the 18-year-old lad, playing through an injury in a critical position in a weakened side really does make you despair.
What chance has anyone got with some of the people on here. I’ll wait til Arteta comes back, puts in a couple of dodgy corners and you’ll all be slagging him.
Spot on Peter Griffin. In the group game against Germany he ran the game. He should’ve started in the final.
The lad has fantastic technique and doesn’t give the ball away, his shooting looks promising and I think as he gets more experienced he’ll start staking the game by the scruff of the neck. He’ll def play for England imo
The lad has fantastic technique and doesn’t give the ball away, his shooting looks promising and I think as he gets more experienced he’ll start staking the game by the scruff of the neck. He’ll def play for England imo
Peter,
I can be patient - and i’ll wait to see the potential come to fruition - my ’criticism’ is that he is highly rated ’already’ as a big player who will be signed by Sir Alex for a fantastic fee....I disagree because I dont see his worth yet.
He may well become a good player - but I can’t see it yet.
Just my opinion, nothing more. He doesn’t cut the mustard for me.
I can be patient - and i’ll wait to see the potential come to fruition - my ’criticism’ is that he is highly rated ’already’ as a big player who will be signed by Sir Alex for a fantastic fee....I disagree because I dont see his worth yet.
He may well become a good player - but I can’t see it yet.
Just my opinion, nothing more. He doesn’t cut the mustard for me.
James l’Anson
Are Man Utd a selling club then because they sold Ronaldo?
I dont think so... If a player wants to move and the money is right then you have to sell. I wouldnt call us a selling club because we have sold Rooney and Lescott.
Larry Boner are you telling me Rodwell is as good as Rooney? Dont make me laugh.
I can accept he has not been 100% fit the last couple of months because of a groin strain, but i still didnt think much of him before his injury.
I can also accept that the team is struggling due to injuries which would affect him and he did look decent next to Arteta, but any average player can look good next to Arteta as he makes them look twice the player they realy are.
The main reason i would keep hold of him though is that he is still very young and developing, and young players are very inconsistant and can suffer dips in form, but i would bite the hand off anyone who offered £20m for him.
Are Man Utd a selling club then because they sold Ronaldo?
I dont think so... If a player wants to move and the money is right then you have to sell. I wouldnt call us a selling club because we have sold Rooney and Lescott.
Larry Boner are you telling me Rodwell is as good as Rooney? Dont make me laugh.
I can accept he has not been 100% fit the last couple of months because of a groin strain, but i still didnt think much of him before his injury.
I can also accept that the team is struggling due to injuries which would affect him and he did look decent next to Arteta, but any average player can look good next to Arteta as he makes them look twice the player they realy are.
The main reason i would keep hold of him though is that he is still very young and developing, and young players are very inconsistant and can suffer dips in form, but i would bite the hand off anyone who offered £20m for him.
Mike, Geoff et al.
He may ’look’ fantastic but for me he’s not there yet so when people talk utter garbage about him being transferred to a top 4 side as soon as January, I cant help but laugh.
He wasn’t even on the park against United and he didn’t impress against spurs either.
I find it ridiculous to think that he’s worth more than Gareth barry (for example) who will be present at the world cup for England.
Having said that I do think Rodwell has been overplayed due to our circumstances - had he been rested more, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation....
Next up...Seamus Coleman
He may ’look’ fantastic but for me he’s not there yet so when people talk utter garbage about him being transferred to a top 4 side as soon as January, I cant help but laugh.
He wasn’t even on the park against United and he didn’t impress against spurs either.
I find it ridiculous to think that he’s worth more than Gareth barry (for example) who will be present at the world cup for England.
Having said that I do think Rodwell has been overplayed due to our circumstances - had he been rested more, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation....
Next up...Seamus Coleman
oh and the lads shooting is terrible, Apart from 1 freak game against some unknown Europa team i dnt think iv seen him hit the target unless it has been a weak pea roller shot.
Ian, Man Utd have got a transfer budget regardless of whether they sold Ronaldo or not. We haven’t and I cannot see us buying any players again without selling first. This was obvious when we sold Lescott and only bought once that deal was done. Too little, too late.
Dear me... Cadamarteri, Branch, Barlow and Jeffers? It was as plain as the nose on your face that these guys were far from certain to make it, not one of them played with their head up for a start.
Try to understand the difference between a hopeful who's made a decent start and a quality player who's aware of everything around him. Of course he has bad games, he’s 18 FFS and he’s trying to compete against some of the world's greatest midfield players.
This lad has a lot to learn and he’s trying to do it with a strike force that can't score and defence that’s lets in an average of 3 a game If you are blind to his immense potential, you quite simply do not understand the game.
Trust me, Europe's top coaches are all aware of this kid's potential.
Try to understand the difference between a hopeful who's made a decent start and a quality player who's aware of everything around him. Of course he has bad games, he’s 18 FFS and he’s trying to compete against some of the world's greatest midfield players.
This lad has a lot to learn and he’s trying to do it with a strike force that can't score and defence that’s lets in an average of 3 a game If you are blind to his immense potential, you quite simply do not understand the game.
Trust me, Europe's top coaches are all aware of this kid's potential.
Embarrassing from start to finish. I’m sure the lad will be delighted to be put in the bracket of that other waste of space Rio Ferdinand, only easily the best centre-half in world football for the last 6 years!!
Some people wont be content until we have a team of Lee Carsley and Tony Hibbert types I think.
Some people wont be content until we have a team of Lee Carsley and Tony Hibbert types I think.
Are you sure about that James, Man U are £700m in debt. £80 million for Ronaldo and they only went out and spent £15m on Velencia.
We had agreed the deal with Naughton before Lescott went so we obviously did have a transfer budget.
We had agreed the deal with Naughton before Lescott went so we obviously did have a transfer budget.
Dave Wilson why are we conceding 3 a game? Because Rodwell does not provide the protection that he is supposed to like Carsley used to, 2-0 down at Spurs, he goes off an we get it back to 2-2
Neil
In 10 years time Rodwell may well be 10 times the player Carsley was but I'm sorry, at this moment in time I would rather have a Carsley type player who gets stuck in than a kid who gets bullied and goes missing every game.
I bet we would be a lot higher up the table and conceding a lot less goals if we had a Carsley or a Neville playing instead of Rodwell.
In 10 years time Rodwell may well be 10 times the player Carsley was but I'm sorry, at this moment in time I would rather have a Carsley type player who gets stuck in than a kid who gets bullied and goes missing every game.
I bet we would be a lot higher up the table and conceding a lot less goals if we had a Carsley or a Neville playing instead of Rodwell.
Ian, sorry to be rude but you really haven’t a clue what you are on about. Lee Carsley isn’t and never was fit to wipe the shit from Jack Rodwell’s boots. Our football with Carsley in the team was absolutely dire, last season we put a footballer in the centre, which I had been calling out for for 3 years, and we looked a completely different proposition.
Jack Rodwell is a football player, a Rolls Royce. What we are missing right now are key defensive players who hold the side together in Jagielka and Neville and the conductor of the orchestra in Arteta.
Jack Rodwell is a fine, fine player who given time to develop will be worth an absolute fortune and will be one of THE best English footballers in the game.
I have no clue what people want from him, he’s 18 for fuck's sake. He’s a class act, right foot, left foot, keep it simple, spray it long, drive, tackling, shooting.... everything.
To expect an 18-year-old who has only converted position in the last 6 months to be dominating Premier League games in a side that is really really poor in many areas right now is simply ridiculous.
Jack Rodwell is a football player, a Rolls Royce. What we are missing right now are key defensive players who hold the side together in Jagielka and Neville and the conductor of the orchestra in Arteta.
Jack Rodwell is a fine, fine player who given time to develop will be worth an absolute fortune and will be one of THE best English footballers in the game.
I have no clue what people want from him, he’s 18 for fuck's sake. He’s a class act, right foot, left foot, keep it simple, spray it long, drive, tackling, shooting.... everything.
To expect an 18-year-old who has only converted position in the last 6 months to be dominating Premier League games in a side that is really really poor in many areas right now is simply ridiculous.
Ian, We’ll see exactly what Man Utd’s transfer budget is when SAF decides he wants Rodwell. Besides, I seem to remember the Glazers anouncing that it would be £25m a season when they first took over.
With regards to Naughton, I think the reason we didn’t get him was because we simply didn’t have the funds. He wanted to sign for us and didn’t. Remember they point blank refused to talk to us in the end.
Ian Tunstead, We conceded three in half an hour against Hull , the worst team in the league and Rodwell was on the right wing.
And I hate to blow your theory completely out of the water but it seems to have escaped your notice that Neville was supposed to be protecting the back four against Arsenal and we still conceded three... twice!
And I hate to blow your theory completely out of the water but it seems to have escaped your notice that Neville was supposed to be protecting the back four against Arsenal and we still conceded three... twice!
James, so It was all a lie by Moyes that we made a bid of £5m? Moyes will not pay over what he thinks a player is worth, especialy if he new Spurs would always out bid us, but that's not to say we didn't have the £5m.
Neil, I'm sorry but it is you who is talking crap. Carsley was part of the spine that played every week in the sides that finished 7th, 4th, 6th and 5th, he was also injured the seasons we finished 17th and half the season we finished 11th, coincidence? I don't think so.
Neville then filled in in the Carsley role last season doing a very good job. Carsley was then Promoted with Birmingham and now they are starting to do well in the prem, coincidence? I don't think so.
Rodwell comes into the team and we loose Neville who does the dirty work that Carsley did and what happens? We're in a relegation battle coincidence? I dont think so. We have been playing some of the worst football with Rodwell in the side so your argument is complete nonsense.
Neil, I'm sorry but it is you who is talking crap. Carsley was part of the spine that played every week in the sides that finished 7th, 4th, 6th and 5th, he was also injured the seasons we finished 17th and half the season we finished 11th, coincidence? I don't think so.
Neville then filled in in the Carsley role last season doing a very good job. Carsley was then Promoted with Birmingham and now they are starting to do well in the prem, coincidence? I don't think so.
Rodwell comes into the team and we loose Neville who does the dirty work that Carsley did and what happens? We're in a relegation battle coincidence? I dont think so. We have been playing some of the worst football with Rodwell in the side so your argument is complete nonsense.
To begin with Jags was brough in to replace Carsley and played along side Rodwell whilst Carsely sat out, we tarted to leak a lot of goals and Jags took a lot of the blame, eventualy carsley was moved back into the side and suddenly the amount of goals we conceded was reduced. Jaggs was to busy covering for Rodwell doing 2 jobs at once, it was like playing with 10 men.
Rodwell may have been right wing against Hull but he was still in the side and contributed little, in saying that i actualy though he played better on the wing than in the centre because he didnt get in the way so much like he usualy does.
Rodwell may have been right wing against Hull but he was still in the side and contributed little, in saying that i actualy though he played better on the wing than in the centre because he didnt get in the way so much like he usualy does.
Dave Wilson, ’competing against best midfielders in world every week’ — last Sunday he was up against Tom ’lard arse ’ Huddlestone. The only time you compete against a midfield of any real quality is a few times a year, certainly not on a weekly basis against the likes of Hull, Stoke etc....
Ian, I think Moyes was lead to believe that we could afford Naughton. If the money was there he would not have had to leave it so late to buy Distin and Heitinger.
Maybe my opinion is biased but after everything we have been through with Bill I just would not put anything past him. His lies are now legendary.
Ian
Lee Carsley left Everton on 19th May 2008 to go to Birmingham. By this stage, Rodwell had made 2 subs appearances in the league and 1 in the UEFA cup.
Your assertion that Jags was brought in to replace Carsley and play alongside Rodwell doesn’t stack up.
Lee Carsley left Everton on 19th May 2008 to go to Birmingham. By this stage, Rodwell had made 2 subs appearances in the league and 1 in the UEFA cup.
Your assertion that Jags was brought in to replace Carsley and play alongside Rodwell doesn’t stack up.
Ian Tunstead
So Carsley sat it out while Jags and Rodwell played ?
How old do you think Rodwell is ? you have not got a clue what your talking about lad, stop embarrasing yourself
Luke Dunn
Weekly ? your the only one who mentioned the word weekly mate
So Carsley sat it out while Jags and Rodwell played ?
How old do you think Rodwell is ? you have not got a clue what your talking about lad, stop embarrasing yourself
Luke Dunn
Weekly ? your the only one who mentioned the word weekly mate
If decent money is offered, a club who’s ambition is to avoid relegation will always sell.
Yes, Bob and Dave
As a matter of fact, I was watching ESPN Classic last week, it was Everton v Blackburn and Jags and Rodwell were in the center with Arteta on the right. I can't remember who was on the left but Carsley was on the bench.
I even remember a conversation I had at the time with my brother, saying the same thing that I'm saying now, that Moyes should only play one holding midfielder because Jags and Rodwell just wasn't working and they were getting in each other's way.
As a matter of fact, I was watching ESPN Classic last week, it was Everton v Blackburn and Jags and Rodwell were in the center with Arteta on the right. I can't remember who was on the left but Carsley was on the bench.
I even remember a conversation I had at the time with my brother, saying the same thing that I'm saying now, that Moyes should only play one holding midfielder because Jags and Rodwell just wasn't working and they were getting in each other's way.
Dave
Rodwell has been playing sice he was 16, he came on against Sunderland and Alkmar at that age.
Rodwell has been playing sice he was 16, he came on against Sunderland and Alkmar at that age.
Ian Tunstead
Stop digging lad, you’ll just end up looking sillier.
Rodwell never played ahead of Carsley, so all those goals we "leaked" when Carsley wasn't playing, being down to Jags having to cover for Rodwell is just shite you made up, Pathetic
Carsley left before Rodwell made his first start.
Stop digging lad, you’ll just end up looking sillier.
Rodwell never played ahead of Carsley, so all those goals we "leaked" when Carsley wasn't playing, being down to Jags having to cover for Rodwell is just shite you made up, Pathetic
Carsley left before Rodwell made his first start.
Ian
In the 2007-08 season (when Rodwell made his debut at AZ Alkmaar), Everton played Blackburn at home on 25th August 2007. Jags came on for Carsley, but Rodwell was nowhere to be seen.
We played them away on 2nd February 2008, both Jags and Carsley played (in defence and midfield respectively), again Rodwell was nowhere to be seen.
Then on 19th May 2008, Carsley left.
In the 2007-08 season (when Rodwell made his debut at AZ Alkmaar), Everton played Blackburn at home on 25th August 2007. Jags came on for Carsley, but Rodwell was nowhere to be seen.
We played them away on 2nd February 2008, both Jags and Carsley played (in defence and midfield respectively), again Rodwell was nowhere to be seen.
Then on 19th May 2008, Carsley left.
Sorry it wasnt Carsley, there was some baldy guy by the dug out who i must of thought was Carsley on ESPN Classic must have been a steward, but Jags was playing alongside Rodwell in the game. It must have been the previous season Carsley sat out for Jaggs, I would have though Jaggs had established himself at centre half well before the start of the next season.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7551166.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7551166.stm
So all those goals you imagined were a pile of shite then ?
No dave, the whole point of my argument is that overall we concede more goals with Rodwell in the team than when Carsley or Neville are in the team. 3 against Blackburn with Rodwell and Jags because they are not as good as Neville or Carsley in the role.
Ian, just the fact you cant see how much better and more progressive a football side we are without Lee Carsley shows the lack of understanding you have of the game.
Carsley had one of the most limited jobs of any footballer in this division, patrolling a 20 yard square for most of the game. Undeniably he did it well but the team was never going to progress above being ’plucky over achievers’ and winning games 1-0 with him in it.
Putting short term results ahead of sustainable performance levels is stupidity and the strides we have made in terms of our style since Carsley has departed have proven everything I ever thought to be correct.
Neville, like any half decent defensive minded player, can do all Carsley can with ease and more besides. The football we played last year was eons ahead of anything we mustered with Carsley in the side and if you can't see that then I'd again have to question your understanding of the game.
Put the spade away now and move along....
Carsley had one of the most limited jobs of any footballer in this division, patrolling a 20 yard square for most of the game. Undeniably he did it well but the team was never going to progress above being ’plucky over achievers’ and winning games 1-0 with him in it.
Putting short term results ahead of sustainable performance levels is stupidity and the strides we have made in terms of our style since Carsley has departed have proven everything I ever thought to be correct.
Neville, like any half decent defensive minded player, can do all Carsley can with ease and more besides. The football we played last year was eons ahead of anything we mustered with Carsley in the side and if you can't see that then I'd again have to question your understanding of the game.
Put the spade away now and move along....
Oh how fickle supporters are.
A few months ago fans were calling him the new Beckenbaur.
Now because he’s carrying an injury and not playing as well he should be got rid of??
A few months ago fans were calling him the new Beckenbaur.
Now because he’s carrying an injury and not playing as well he should be got rid of??
A few of you need to reel your heads in. JR is still only a kid, dont forget we still refer to Seamus as a youngster and he is a couple of years older than JR.
As for the Carsley comments, im sorry but he was a yard dog and probably peaked during his years playing for us. JR will not peak for the best part of a decade. Pull your head in, Ian.
So let me get this right......all our troubles are coz Rodwell isn't as good as some think he is or ought to be???
Do us a favour...he's 18 years old for god's sake. He is a class act already who in the coming years will become a top top player... not just my view but one shared by most football pundits as well as his own team mates. Joe Royle said in one game the thing he liked best about him was he never seems rushed or give the ball away. Maybe he needs to do a few tricks and keepy-uppy on the half way line to satisfy his critics.
If we can keep hold of him (which I doubt) and try and match his ambitions I'd make him captain in 2 years time and make him our leader for the next 10 years the way Chelsea did with Terry.
Do us a favour...he's 18 years old for god's sake. He is a class act already who in the coming years will become a top top player... not just my view but one shared by most football pundits as well as his own team mates. Joe Royle said in one game the thing he liked best about him was he never seems rushed or give the ball away. Maybe he needs to do a few tricks and keepy-uppy on the half way line to satisfy his critics.
If we can keep hold of him (which I doubt) and try and match his ambitions I'd make him captain in 2 years time and make him our leader for the next 10 years the way Chelsea did with Terry.
Also I've just paid £60 for the special edition purple shirt with his name and number on the back for my 13-year-old daughter so they best not fuckin sell him in January!!!!
Neil
I seem to remember Carsley’s final season to be one of our best for many years, winning every game in the UEFA Cup group stages, only having 1 bad game in the competition away to Florentina but then destroying them for 90 mins at home only to go out on pens, we reached the league cup semi final also.
I remember at one stage when we were facing Man Utd the comentator saying we are watching the in form team in the country and its not Man Utd we were something like 13 matches unbeaten untill they beat us that day, i think either Arteta or Piennar gave a pen away late on in the game. I think it was the season we beat Sunderland 7-1 and the football on show people were drooling over on toffeeweb.
I understand we need to progress and although Moyes wanted Carsley to stay, Carsley himself said for the team to progress he needed to be replaced, but at the moment i dont see Rodwell doing that, maybe in time he will and i hope he does.
For you to say
’’Carsley had one of the most limited jobs of any footballer in this division, patrolling a 20 yard square for most of the game.’’
shows your lack of understanding for the game. It one of the most important roles in a team. I would rather have plucky 1--0 wins than 1-1 or 2-2 draws.
All Rodwell himself has done this season is what you have just described be he is less effective at at thn Carsley or Neville, only passing backwards and sideways, but not winning any midfield battles, being bullied on nearly every occasion to the point were he is almost non existant.
I seem to remember Carsley’s final season to be one of our best for many years, winning every game in the UEFA Cup group stages, only having 1 bad game in the competition away to Florentina but then destroying them for 90 mins at home only to go out on pens, we reached the league cup semi final also.
I remember at one stage when we were facing Man Utd the comentator saying we are watching the in form team in the country and its not Man Utd we were something like 13 matches unbeaten untill they beat us that day, i think either Arteta or Piennar gave a pen away late on in the game. I think it was the season we beat Sunderland 7-1 and the football on show people were drooling over on toffeeweb.
I understand we need to progress and although Moyes wanted Carsley to stay, Carsley himself said for the team to progress he needed to be replaced, but at the moment i dont see Rodwell doing that, maybe in time he will and i hope he does.
For you to say
’’Carsley had one of the most limited jobs of any footballer in this division, patrolling a 20 yard square for most of the game.’’
shows your lack of understanding for the game. It one of the most important roles in a team. I would rather have plucky 1--0 wins than 1-1 or 2-2 draws.
All Rodwell himself has done this season is what you have just described be he is less effective at at thn Carsley or Neville, only passing backwards and sideways, but not winning any midfield battles, being bullied on nearly every occasion to the point were he is almost non existant.
For those who think he only passes sideways, witness his dinked pass into Jo in the 1st half against Spurs, setting up Jo’s chance.
Carsley would never have been able to do that. Carsley gave us fantastic service but he was no Makelele, his weaknesses were painfully apparent against the better sides, i.e. his poor distribution.
Carsley would never have been able to do that. Carsley gave us fantastic service but he was no Makelele, his weaknesses were painfully apparent against the better sides, i.e. his poor distribution.
He’s 18 and in his first extended run in the team he is bound to have dips in form... and its not as if the seasoned professionals around him have been doing a better job.
He needs time to develop. He also needs the support of the fans so give him a break.
And no I wouldn’t sell him unless it was for over £20 million. Every player has a price but £20 million would put him as just under half a Ronaldo... and he aint anywhere near that... yet...
He needs time to develop. He also needs the support of the fans so give him a break.
And no I wouldn’t sell him unless it was for over £20 million. Every player has a price but £20 million would put him as just under half a Ronaldo... and he aint anywhere near that... yet...
Jack Rodwell's growth as a footballer is being stunted by Moyes's negativity. Forget talk of a classy centre half or even a gifted holding midfielder; Rodwell should be encouraged to blaze through the opposition and hit 30-yard screamers, a la you know who from across the park. He is six foot plus, 18 years old and he should be terrorising the opposition — not titting about in front of the back four!!!!
Is he the real deal or do we just want him to be ?
I have seen 1 great game from him (against poor opposition), some decent games... but whenever I see him up against a good opponent he fails to shine, ie against Parker at West Ham. I also think we looked better with Heitinga in his place.
I have seen 1 great game from him (against poor opposition), some decent games... but whenever I see him up against a good opponent he fails to shine, ie against Parker at West Ham. I also think we looked better with Heitinga in his place.
Given his age, he’s doing ok and unless we get offered silly money we should keep hold and nurture and develop him. Let's face it, if we didn’t have all our injuries, he wouldn’t get a game.
I think April the 1st is best for posts like this and for me it is beneath commenting on other than its joke value. I’ve realised that if Moyes all of a sudden produced the scouse equivalent of Beckham, Scholes, the Nevilles and Butt and then bought Messi from Barcelona some would complain.
£20m just think how many right backs we can get for that!
Yeah let’s get shut as soon as possible. He’s been playing six months and we still haven’t qualified for the Champions League.
Do we really want to go down the road of giving these young failures a scarcely deserved chance? Do we want to end up with the likes of another Colin Harvey or Joe Royle or Kevin Ratcliffe?
I believe Jesus wept !
Shaun Brennan...
Exactly - we could sign every right back in the championship for that kind of money and play them all...out of position.
Then we could sell Coleman and buy 2 or 3 versatile midfielders.
Exactly - we could sign every right back in the championship for that kind of money and play them all...out of position.
Then we could sell Coleman and buy 2 or 3 versatile midfielders.
If this article had appeared anywhere else I’d have thought it was a spoof.
Not really sure what Luke objects to most. Is it the fact that a young lad learning his trade at the sharp end has had an understandable dip in form? Or is it the fact that a young lad’s got a few quid in his arse pocket & is conkers deep in some page free stunnah?
When did we become such a bunch of mean-spirited, narrow-minded, bunch of curtain-twitching Ena Sharples?
I don’t often do this but I’m actually tempted to save this post & its thread just so’s I can refer back to it if we ever do sell young Jack. Because it’ll make a fascinating compare & contrast to the articles that will inevitably follow his sale - articles penned by the same people currently bitching about him who will in time be bitching about the board’s lack of ambition for selling one of the Prem’s hottest prospects.
Spoof? You really couldn’t make it up.
Anyway, I’m off to finish my article slagging off Seamus - I’ll be posting it the day after his first misplaced pass.
Not really sure what Luke objects to most. Is it the fact that a young lad learning his trade at the sharp end has had an understandable dip in form? Or is it the fact that a young lad’s got a few quid in his arse pocket & is conkers deep in some page free stunnah?
When did we become such a bunch of mean-spirited, narrow-minded, bunch of curtain-twitching Ena Sharples?
I don’t often do this but I’m actually tempted to save this post & its thread just so’s I can refer back to it if we ever do sell young Jack. Because it’ll make a fascinating compare & contrast to the articles that will inevitably follow his sale - articles penned by the same people currently bitching about him who will in time be bitching about the board’s lack of ambition for selling one of the Prem’s hottest prospects.
Spoof? You really couldn’t make it up.
Anyway, I’m off to finish my article slagging off Seamus - I’ll be posting it the day after his first misplaced pass.
Tony it is exactly this kind of post that pisses people off. Since when has Seamus been a world beater anyway? He looked promising after 1 game, but thats all it was 1 game. Its these comparrisons with Rodwell and Ferdinand or Beckenbauer, when he hasn’t shown anywhere near that kind of potential.
It really annoys me when people criticise too soon in a players career but what's more annoying his hyping them up before they have done anything.
We are far too biased, I have just been watching the Arsenal game and another 18-year-old, Ramsey, the lad is in another league to Rodwell and if Moyes had of managed to pull that signing off, now that would have been something to shout about.
It really annoys me when people criticise too soon in a players career but what's more annoying his hyping them up before they have done anything.
We are far too biased, I have just been watching the Arsenal game and another 18-year-old, Ramsey, the lad is in another league to Rodwell and if Moyes had of managed to pull that signing off, now that would have been something to shout about.
Ian, you may be surprised to learn but you’ve repeated my point precisely.
In short, it sometimes beggars belief the haste with which some of our fans build statues to players only for the same fans to then tear those same statues down.
Patience is sadly not in our fans’ vocabulary anymore. That was my point & I’m sorry you failed to see it.
In short, it sometimes beggars belief the haste with which some of our fans build statues to players only for the same fans to then tear those same statues down.
Patience is sadly not in our fans’ vocabulary anymore. That was my point & I’m sorry you failed to see it.
Sorry Tony, sometimes its difficult to read sarcasm on here with all the piss takers.
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If this team wants to get back to the upper echelons of the Premier League, we must not become a selling club.