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Perhaps I am just being over sensitive here but the New Anfield has been selected for one of the World Cup stadiums, even though it hasn't even been designed yet, whilst the general opinion of their neighbours; Everton, is that they have no hope of getting a new stadia off the ground.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8414235.stm

DK is mentioned as a missed oppertuntity and Milton Keynes and Plymouth are give the opportunity.

The Club's Board and PR department are useless. Getting WC Football to the revamped Goodison (or new ground) should be a priority to showcase the club.

I despair.
Liam Reilly, London     Posted 16/12/2009 at 12:41:55

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Karl Masters
1   Posted 16/12/2009 at 21:49:42

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Says it all about the FA when you get Milton Keynes, Plymouth and Bristol ( although the latter 2 have a far stronger case than the concrete cows on roundabouts in Buckinghamshire ), says it all about modern Britain where money counts for everything and says it all about what a complacent bunch we have had running our Club.

They missed out on Euro 96 by not developing Goodison properly, complacently thinking Goodison would get the nod and they have done it again.

Fuck the lot of them!
Lee Smith
2   Posted 16/12/2009 at 21:53:18

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Just read the article in which Elstone has a whinge about Everton missing out. In all honesty I think the FA really didn’t have a choice. After all, wasn’t it the Chairman of Everton FC who stated many times that if Kirkby fell through then we would have "no plan B". Hardly words to fill the FA with confidence. Way to go Bill, way to go......
Ciarán McGlone
3   Posted 16/12/2009 at 22:05:08

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How exactly is it an insult?

We are hardly one of the top stadiums in the country or do we have any plans to build one...

It’s seems like sense to me.
Peter Bourke
4   Posted 16/12/2009 at 22:11:19

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I totally agree with Ciaran.
The only thing Goodison would be used for is training facilities for one of the visiting teams.
Can’t believe anyone would be insulted by the decision.
Ciarán McGlone
5   Posted 16/12/2009 at 22:16:20

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Indeed Peter,

Some people think we’ve a god given right to be at the top of the football heirarchy..We don’t.

However, I think it would’ve been a different story if we’d been sittin in the Kings dock from next season....

The anger seems to be misplaced.
Paul O'Neill
6   Posted 16/12/2009 at 22:21:19

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No Plan B. No design. No funding. No location. Of course Liverpool are going to receive fawning bias from the FA etc, but in this case they had no choice. What on Earth did we expect?
Gavin Ramejkis
7   Posted 16/12/2009 at 22:27:05

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The whole DK debacle was in breach of major rules and regulations yet these were ignored and this has cost the club how much financially and in wasted time and effort? The refusal to listen to alternatives has lost more time and effort.

Several years ago, the KD project was atrociously lost, how many times do the club think that its history of failure to deliver a new stadium has to repeat itself before authorities stop taking it seriously? — I posted this on the OS as a response to Elstone’s whinge, what’s the bet it doesn’t appear?

Karl Masters
8   Posted 16/12/2009 at 22:45:37

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I agree that the Board have made a complete mess of things, but it should be pointed out that Bristol, Plymouth and Milton Keynes do not presently have anything like good enough stadia so why are the FA so sure they will come through there and not at Everton?

I might also add that LFC don’t actually think that Anfield is currently good enough and there is no guarantee that New Anfield is goinf to happen either.

One of the factors taken into consideration by FIFA is the surrounds of the stadium for pre-match and post-matcc entertaining of visitors and yet Anfield is in a much worse location than Goodison with numerous vacant boarded up houses around it. I see that local kids like setting fire to these houses for ’entertainment’ to drag out the hard pressed Fire Brigade. Maybe FIFA think they will have burnt the surrounding area down in the next 9 years!
Dennis Stevens
9   Posted 16/12/2009 at 22:53:26

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Sadly, it’s not so much an insult as confirmation of how the successive custodians of the club at Board level have allowed a ground that was once a World Cup Semi-Final venue to fall so far behind other stadiums that it now wouldn’t even be considered as a venue for any World Cup matches. Shameful!
Frank McGregor
10   Posted 16/12/2009 at 23:19:46

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I guess we should all get used to the fact that the recognised club in the city is Liverpool irrespective wether we play at Goodison in the city or not. Karl with a bit of luck those kids burning the vacant houses down could do the same with Goodison and then just maybe Liverpool City Council along with all the objectionist could support a new ground being built.

It is very interesting that the person from Kirkby who was one of the most vociferous against the move to Kirkby has not appeared for some months now... a founder member of KEIOC I believe. Finally the comments made by Warren Bradley regarding the Kirkby Stadium are quite interesting.

Jay Woods
11   Posted 17/12/2009 at 00:53:27

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@ Frank McGregor: Pardon my ignorance, but what were W Bradley’s comments?
Richard Jones
12   Posted 17/12/2009 at 00:51:13

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It seems that the FA know what a large percentage of our fans don’t, our board could fuck up a cup of coffee never mind organise a world cup venue. WAKE UP FFS!!

They’ve fucked up two new grounds, one because they couldn’t raise the money even though Bill Kenwright said the money was "ring fenced" and one because it wasn’t "deliverable", even though they claimed it was... errrm, "deliverable" .
Nick Entwistle
13   Posted 17/12/2009 at 01:05:07

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I think the city is chosen rather than the clubs of yet. And the FA have two potential stadia coming their way.

Also, according to Mr Lineker on MOTD the Fifa dude chose which cities from the list of however many get chosen to represent the finals... goodbye Bristol, Plymouth and MK.

Hmmm...
Richard Jones
14   Posted 17/12/2009 at 01:06:29

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"Cow shed in a field" I believe Jay.
Eric Myles
15   Posted 17/12/2009 at 05:19:45

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"... whilst the general opinion of their neighbours; Everton, is that they have no hope of getting a new stadia off the ground. "

Well they’re spot on with that assesment then, at least while BK is still here.
Liam Reilly
16   Posted 17/12/2009 at 10:26:25

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Ciaran, Peter.

If you bothered to read the fucking article, I never said that Goodison is fit for showcasing any WC Football, but assuming that it could be redeveloped, then why shouldn’t it have the same chance as a re-developed Anfield or the new Stanley Park stadium, that is yet to be designed?

The decision is clearly a dismissal of the club's ability to provide a new or re-developed stadium, yet our neighbours with all their debt are assured of a place with their current or perceived ground.
Trevor Williams
17   Posted 17/12/2009 at 11:24:17

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Who cares that we havent been chosen? Really? For all we know, we could be sharing with Liverpool anyway so we will have a WC ground... It's 9 years away FFS.

The FA have to provide a number of grounds using all ends of the country and the NW has an abundance of big grounds.... It's a Fifa rule that the whole country has to have games, that's why Plymouth and Milton Keynes are in there

We have a lot more things to worry about than this surely...
Brian Waring
18   Posted 17/12/2009 at 11:49:54

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"The decision is clearly a dismissal of the clubs ability to provide a new or re- developed stadium"

Liam — Kings Dock, Kirkby — they are right to dismiss us, because we couldn’t organize a piss-up in a brewery.

Larry Boner
19   Posted 17/12/2009 at 12:04:09

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I attended the 1966 World Cup games at Goodison as a 15-year-old: Brazil, Hungary, Portugal, then a semi-final with West Germany and Russia. It's a poignant fact that the only remaining venue in Britain to hold a WC semi-final is Goodison Park.

It was a foregone conclusion that Goodison would be one of the venues for the WC of 66 as it was the best club ground in the country by a mile and it should have held the England semi-final instead of the WC semi-final.

The other seven grounds used were Wembley, White City, Ayrsome Park, Villa Park, Old Trafford, Hillsborough and Roker Park. Interesting fact that of those seven (apart from demolished White City) only Goodison has stagnated; Wembley, M/boro, Sunderland new grounds OT and VP massive improvements, Hillsborough current capacity of 40,000 to have £25 million pound upgrade for 2018...

It really brings home to anyone who watched wide eyed from the Gladwys St all those years ago how low we have sunk; no plans, no ambition, left miles behind by our competitors. The crocodile tears of Mr Elstone only make it harder to bear.

1996 Euros should have been a wake up call for Everton, but 14 years later, absolutely nothing has been addressed.

Gareth Humphreys
20   Posted 17/12/2009 at 13:03:28

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It is a sad fact that the custodians of the club have been negligent in their duty. They should be ashamed that Goodison, the home of Everton Football Club, wasn't even in the running... yet that sadly is the case.
Eugene Ruane
21   Posted 17/12/2009 at 12:38:33

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Genuinely couldn’t give a flying shite. In fact, there’s a part of me that is made up.

Oh suuuuure, "in a perfect world" etc blah, but it... isn’t. It’s Bill world, Sky World, Fifa World, Premier World. All planets imo morally bankrupt, greedy and stupid.

And as for Elstone - fucking pitiful! ("hold on now - he’s really ’approachable!’") Fact: Mr Smokescreen should shut his whining hole and accept that he backed a loser with DK.

He’s like some annoying twat moaning he AAAAAAALMOST had a treble up but... er... didn’t coz all three horses went down ("TUT! The tipsters were SO sure they’d win").

There is an expression we’re all familiar with - ’taking your eye off the ball’

For me, getting all worked up about a World Cup that MIGHT take place in ’Ing-er-lund’ EIGHT years from now is doing just that.

A decent performance by the kids tonight and three points against Birmingham on Sun will make me happy.
Liam Reilly
22   Posted 17/12/2009 at 13:18:06

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"Kings Dock, Kirkby — they are right to dismiss us, because we couldn’t organize a piss-up in a brewery"

I'm not disagreeing with you, Brian. Unfortunately that seems to portray the general perception of the Club externally.

As games are beamed live around the world from Anfield, United & City, Spurs and Arsenal, I think this decison will go a long way to affirming there is only one major club in Liverpool.
Peter McHugh
23   Posted 17/12/2009 at 13:51:35

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I think the general opinion mentioned in the articles of EFC having no hope of getting a new stadia off the ground is correct. Unsure what Liam’s getting over sensitive about?
Liam Reilly
24   Posted 17/12/2009 at 14:04:48

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I must be in the minority of 1 here, but what I am saying is, there is 8 years until the WC (provided England wins the bid, of course) and surely there is a possiblity in that time that the Club could re-develop Goodison or build a new stadium.

Even if it is a remote possibility, then the idea shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand.

Was no-one else in the least bit proud to see the esteem that Goodison was held in in the 60s and wouldn’t you like to see the the likes again?

Agent Johnson couldn’t have done more damage to this club than the current custodians.
Trevor Williams
25   Posted 17/12/2009 at 14:31:31

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Of the 15 cities or locations chosen this will be cut down to 12 anyway should we be successful (Fifa will choose the 12 from 15).

That will probably be bye bye to Plymouth, Milton Keynes and Bristol or Nottingham

It's only been done to get the southwest onto the FA’s side.
Gareth Humphreys
26   Posted 17/12/2009 at 14:50:27

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Eugene, I don’t think people are arsed about the World Cup bid — more that Goodison’s standing has fallen so dramatically that it is now seen as a cow shed.

Now where have I heard that before?
Gavin Ramejkis
27   Posted 17/12/2009 at 16:06:40

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Liam, it may as well be 80, or 800 or 8000 years, until Black Bill plants the for sale sign out in the open in plain black and white and he takes his yes men board with him, it’s NEVER going to happen. The perception in general and in the media of the club as not being able to organise a piss up in a brewery is down to the Chairman as he has single handly fucked up too often for anyone in their right mind to take him seriously.
Liam Reilly
28   Posted 17/12/2009 at 16:19:46

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Unfortunately, I have to agree with you Gavin.
Eugene Ruane
29   Posted 17/12/2009 at 16:22:24

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Gareth - yes I suppose Goodison’s ’standing’ has fallen, but so has Everton’s.

And standing with who?

Chelsea Sky fans?

It’s funny, I never heard anything about Goodison, in the 60’s, 70’s or 80’s and It was a BIGGER ’shithole’ then than now.

It is supporters that have changed.

Basically, I still see Goodison the way I always have.

Somewhere we play once every two weeks for 90 mins (for just 9 months of the year).

If the pitch is ok and I can have a slash if I really need one, that’s me happy.

Nobody is being asked to live there.

I saw a clip of Boro last night.

Huge empty spaces in their state-of-the-art ground and ’Championship’ football - desperate, soulless, awful.

Personally, I’d be happy to stay where we are with Goodison getting the occasional lick of paint.

Gareth Humphreys
30   Posted 17/12/2009 at 17:09:55

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Eugene, when I say standing I mean in comparison to the other grounds around the country.
I don’t want to move either - front row just to the right of the halfway line in the top balcony - no obstructed views for me! However when you see the likes of the new Wembley and then go to Goodison they are like chalk and cheese.The Cup Final showed just what a football stadium is meant to be these days if you want flagship events like the world cup held at your ground. I’m not saying I want the Ivory coast playing New Zealand at our shiny new stadium but I’d like the opportunity to tell FIFA to do one as we are not interested.
I remember I used to say rather smugly to any football fan that I had the best seat in the house in the best ground in the country. Thats only half true now.
Little things like hosting a world cup semi final is part of Goodisons proud history and subsequently Everton’s. It’s just something else that under the stewardship of the current board is being let slip.
Brian Lawlor
31   Posted 17/12/2009 at 18:32:37

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Your’re not being over sensitive, you’re just being completely unrealistic. Is Anfield suitable to host world cup games? - yes Is Goodison suitable to host world cup games? - no Do liverpool have approved plans for a new stadium prior to the world cup? - yes Do Everton? - no Do everton have any approved plans to develop goodison? - no Based on the above, how can anyone have a problem with that decision? All blame is on this board and the previous board. You cannot fault the decision made by WC team.
Brian Lawlor
32   Posted 17/12/2009 at 19:07:18

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Just to add, how can you honestly expect Fifa to consider the English bid seriously if one of the venues they are putting forward hasn’t been built/upgraded nor has either been approved. You expect it to be submitted on the off chance we might get something sorted? The WC committee may as well not bother trying to win it.
Liam Reilly
33   Posted 17/12/2009 at 21:37:42

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I disagree with you Brian. Goodison is steeped in tradition and still gives me tingles down my spine every time I hear z-Cars through the sound system. The old lady deserves better and i wish it could be brought back to resemble it’s former self.

Nostalgic yep, but fuck it, I love the place.

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