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Oh no him again! This always seems to be the cry when a right sided Everton move breaks down.
Who are they complaining about? Why, our very own Tony Hibbert. Now, I'm the first to admit that he ain't a world class player. But HE IS a world class trier.
Tony will never be Tommy Wright in my eyes, who could be? But he's the equal of a lot of right backs in the Premier League. He can defend; Johnson across the park can't and he's Capello's blue-eyed boy. OK offensively he leaves a bit to be desired, all he needs is a bit of confidence... Certainly if he scores for us one day, it would a terrific filip for his confidence.
Recently he has been turning in sterling performances at centre back in the Premier League and Europa League. A smallish bloke, the sight of him marking Crouch was startling. Why didn't Moyes give him a pair of step ladders?
To cap this, he is now the leading appearance maker for us in European matches. Beating 'Labby' and the 'White Pele'.
It seems to be the game to play, to criticise the bloke, while people like Cahill have struggled all season. Why does Moyes keep faith with a hole striker who doesn't regularly score? Hibbert has made consistent performances.
Come on, Tony... score that goal.
Mike Berry, Posted 18/12/2009 at 15:42:15
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Mick's entitled to his view, but the Tony Hibbert "there's no limit" song that has been gathering momentum since I first heard it at Fulham, shows at long last TH is getting the recognition he deserves.
Liverpool have a player who is as limited when in possession of the ball as Tony but has terrific heart and defends very well with everything he has... funny how the Kopites love Jamie Carragher.
Hibbo has a handful of detractors who will forever be blind to his attributes and blame him for everything. I knew Mick Wrende would be one... want me to name the other four?
I do have one thing to add here. When one guy plays his heart out, it inspires the 10 to do the same. So while we might not get a lot of tangible value out of Hibbert, he makes the other players better. That’s an immeasurably valuable asset to a squad.
Who gives a toss if he’s a world class trier. So would I be if I were receiving his weekly fucking wage.
If the club is to move forward and break the stranglehold of the supposed Big Four, then surely his time is nearly up. Ask yourself the question, Mike, "Would he get a game for Arsenal, Chelsea or Man U?"
And another question while we’re at it, "Why is it that these powerful sides always use his wing to attack down?" Doesn’t take a fuckin' Einstein to work it out. But hey, he’s a world class trier.
What a laugh.
Give the man a break. He’s not the best full back I’ve seen in the 50 years I’ve been going but there’s nothing wrong with being a good defender AND putting a full shift in. His distribution is as bad as Jags or Yobo but they don’t get anywhere near the stick Hibbert gets. He has consistently been left exposed by the lack of cover on the right side (think Wembley) and has been one of our best performers this season.
Mick Wrende... Maybe you should get to the match more and lay off the ale on the occasions you do. It’s affecting your judgement. "Hibbert is consistently our worst player" — Leave it out, mate... why do "supporters" of Everton have to slag our own players off? Particularly home grown ones???
Offensively? Hoofballs... that's about it. My 7-year-old consistently moans when he sees Hibbert is playing, and sometimes I do too. He will remain a player who will divide Evertonians, he should rename himself ’Tony Kirkby’....
The flanks should work as a pair, such as Stevens and Steven. Baines and Pienaar show signs but is that because they are better players individually than Hibbert and Osman?
Too often Hibbert is left isolated with no back-up. I, too, have seen the best and Hibbert would not get near my all-time Everton 11 but he would be alongside Mick Lyons, Johnny Morrissey, Dave Watson etc in the all-time most committed team.
Lol, are you arguing for or against Hibbo? They must be the best stats of any full back in the Prem
Forget all the imaginary penalties you Hibbo haters say you see him give away and all the imaginary bookings he gets... try to focus on the facts.
Nobody, that's NOBODY! in the history of Everton football club has qualified for Europe, or played in Europe more times than Tony Hibbert, now that may not sit with your finger pointing, or your insistence on overlooking the shortcomings of other Everton players, it may not even fit in with your imaginary stats... but it's an irrefutable, undeniable, incontrovertible fact.
What do we keep hearing about Phil Neville? He’s a good honest pro... well, in my opinion, so is Hibbert.
It’s funny that Jags is being made into some sort of legend, but the lad has probalby made more cock-ups than Hibbert.
As for the format of the European trophies, well you still have to qualify don't you? And nobody has qualified more then TH. More to the point, he ain’t finished yet... That, my friend, is incontestable.
BTW, Iain, I don't think TH is one of our all-time great players, far from it, but I find it stomach-churning that some of our fans cannot/will not give him any credit at all.
In summary: Is he a true blue, committed, professional? Yes, up there with Mick Lyons
Would I buy the man a drink for his dedication to the cause? Undoubtedly — a fellow Blue
Would I boo him ever? No, criticism is reserved for forums like this not for situations that could undermine his confidence.
Would I appreciate Tony in a relegation fight? Yes, just the sort of player we need in our squad when we’ve got our backs to the wall.
Is he good enough for where Everton want to be? No, the PL has moved on since Tony hit the first team. He has not improved as a player.
It perplexes me why people confuse a healthy regard for a truly decent professional with a need to target obvious improvements in the side.
How many games is it that he’s played for us and never scored? Pretty embarrasing really. Yes, I know he’s paid to stop them rather than score but for shit's sake, the occasional one per season would be nice.
Squad player if I ever did see one.
Hibbo has been a stalwart servant to Everton for many years, and been handsomely rewarded for that service, but if I could pinpoint an area of our team for improvement, it would be the right hand side.
Interestingly enough, I read somewhere that Hibbo and Stevie Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee played youth football together and Hibbo was a striker????
European format, there are more games per season now than ever before so any current player would easily surpass previous players, it wouldn’t surprise me if Anichebe has played more European games than Sharpie but that doesn’t mean he is a better player. I would definitely keep Hibbo, but not as a 1st team regular, ditto Osman.
If Tony Hibbert was placed on the transfer market the only interest would be from clubs beneath us or worse than us! He simply isnt good enough, in fact he’s awful at times. Like Ray Robinson said above, dedicated, very professional & I would never boo him but that DOES NOT make him good enough!!!!
And I really cant be bothered getting into the debate about him being a ’good defender’ because he isn't all that!!
Moreover, I’m a bit embarrassed that one of our most limited players is our record holder for European appearences, it sort of devalues that particular record for me.
The fact he is our most played in Europe doesn’t prove anything about his ability. We have only ever played in a European League twice in our history — both during his time here.
If we are to progress (which every season looks like the board doesn want to) we would to get a more gifted right back.
ps: As much as I hate the Shite, you can’t compare him to Glen Johnson who is a much better right back.
But the fact is, he has stepped up this season, and he’s a good player to have in the squad. Centre half on Thursday, I was watching his every move, and he was fantastic. But, as somebody else pointed out, modern full backs need to attack as well as defend these days, and Hibbert has only got the defending up to scratch.
But people like Osman, Hibbert and Neville — even though they are not as talented as other players in the squad, their effort and commitment is important, and they contribute the most to this positive team spirit that Everton have always been so lucky to have!
He loses his man far too easily (see Defoe’s goal), and looked way behind a 17-year-old kid like Duffy in terms of intelligent defending.
I’ve no problem with keeping Hibbert as a squad player, but he’s not good enough for the first team when everyone's fit.
Yeah, let's go with Brian Lawlor’s suggestion: let's pay £19 million for a right back who has cost more goals in a couple of months than Hibbo has cost in a decade — did anyone see Glen Johnson's fuck-up today? Or his OG the other night? Or...
Na fuck it, no point in arguing. Let's play Lucas Neill... Okay, so we haven't won a single league game with him in the starting line-up and we keep conceding three, but he has to be better than the man who has qualified for Europe, year, after year, after year... you couldn't make this up.
I couldn’t give a flying fuck how much the shite paid for Glen Johnson, he’s still a better player than Hibbert.
No-one can fault his commitment, workrate, tackling, etc. However, no-one can say his distribution is good and expect to be taken seriously.
As for an alternative, any of the right backs in the current Premier League top 10 sides would be an improvement. He’d still be a useful squad player.
How anyone can say Hibbert is consistently our worst player —and criticise someone else for not watching the matches while producing this somewhat flawed analysis is beyond m..
Behind Saha, he’s been a star this season.
No, it’s not Hibbert's fault we haven’t scored more but ffs there’s nowt there, and that in turn invites the opposition to attack... ie, a boxer who only defends is going to get twatted, that's why a defensive-minded boxer is called a counter puncher. Baines is a counter puncher and Hibbert's the one who gets twatted...
Just to clarify things, Hibbert has NOT been our worst player this season, in fact he has been one of the better performers, and if I could say that whilst we where in a decent league position that would be great, but that's not going to happen, is it?
You guys seem to have this idiotic notion that TH is holding us back because he isn't a top-four player. Wake the fuck up will you, we have 15-16 players in our first team squad who wouldn't get a sniff with any of the top teams.
Throughout history, teams have been able to win titles with average right backs, but no team has ever won a title with a shite midfield, a shite central defence or a shite strike force. Smell the fucken coffee will you, we fall short all over the fucken park and all you guys want to do is keep kicking the whipping boy.
You guys will never be able to identify our real problems.
Hibbert's passing is poor. End of discussion
You also have a very unhealthy obsession with Tony Hibbert.
Three cheers for Hibbo but I can’t agree with your Cahill comments. Even if he was as bad as you so incorrectly state then, as you saw during the week, Moyes has zero options.
I think you’ll find it you who has the unhealthy obsession, the only time we hear a peep out of you is when Hibbos name is mentioned.
I’ll just keep presenting the facts to you and the other handful of usual suspects
Peter bourke
"three cheers for Hibbo" but leave our Timmy alone ?
Grow up, he’s not above critism, Hes been very poor since Easter. You want to overlook Hibbos good performances when playing right across the back four, but then whine when Cahill is occasionally played out of position.
Cahill has not even been Div 1 standard this season . . no matter where he played
I’m all for a bit of healthy critism but lets be even handed about it
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