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Oh no him again! This always seems to be the cry when a right sided Everton move breaks down.

Who are they complaining about? Why, our very own Tony Hibbert. Now, I'm the first to admit that he ain't a world class player. But HE IS a world class trier.

Tony will never be Tommy Wright in my eyes, who could be? But he's the equal of a lot of right backs in the Premier League. He can defend; Johnson across the park can't and he's Capello's blue-eyed boy. OK offensively he leaves a bit to be desired, all he needs is a bit of confidence... Certainly if he scores for us one day, it would a terrific filip for his confidence.

Recently he has been turning in sterling performances at centre back in the Premier League and Europa League. A smallish bloke, the sight of him marking Crouch was startling. Why didn't Moyes give him a pair of step ladders?

To cap this, he is now the leading appearance maker for us in European matches. Beating 'Labby' and the 'White Pele'.

It seems to be the game to play, to criticise the bloke, while people like Cahill have struggled all season. Why does Moyes keep faith with a hole striker who doesn't regularly score? Hibbert has made consistent performances.

Come on, Tony... score that goal.
Mike Berry, West Yorkshire     Posted 18/12/2009 at 15:42:15

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Mick Wrende
1   Posted 19/12/2009 at 06:40:52

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Well Mike you obviously dont get over from Yorkshire to watch the matches - maybe all you see is the 2 minutes every week on MOTD. Hibbert is consistently our worst player and to compare him to Cahill is ludicrous. It is so important for a full back to be offensive and Hibbert offers nothing in that area. How refreshing to see Coleman against Spurs show such attacking quality. Fifty grand a week for Hibbert is such a travesty. I suggest you actually come to one or two games and then see if you still feel the same way, knowing your hard earned money has gone towards his luxury lifestyle.
Dave Wilson
2   Posted 19/12/2009 at 07:11:06

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Mike, Take Saha out of the equation and Hibbert's has been our best player this season... by some distance.

Mick's entitled to his view, but the Tony Hibbert "there's no limit" song that has been gathering momentum since I first heard it at Fulham, shows at long last TH is getting the recognition he deserves.

Liverpool have a player who is as limited when in possession of the ball as Tony but has terrific heart and defends very well with everything he has... funny how the Kopites love Jamie Carragher.

Hibbo has a handful of detractors who will forever be blind to his attributes and blame him for everything. I knew Mick Wrende would be one... want me to name the other four?
Pat Finegan
3   Posted 19/12/2009 at 07:37:04

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Great post Mike. You’re right, Hibbert isn’t world class but he plays his heart out.

I do have one thing to add here. When one guy plays his heart out, it inspires the 10 to do the same. So while we might not get a lot of tangible value out of Hibbert, he makes the other players better. That’s an immeasurably valuable asset to a squad.
Steven Pendleton
4   Posted 19/12/2009 at 07:38:47

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Are you new to this forum Mike as this topic has been done to death (or so I thought!!)

Who gives a toss if he’s a world class trier. So would I be if I were receiving his weekly fucking wage.

If the club is to move forward and break the stranglehold of the supposed Big Four, then surely his time is nearly up. Ask yourself the question, Mike, "Would he get a game for Arsenal, Chelsea or Man U?"

And another question while we’re at it, "Why is it that these powerful sides always use his wing to attack down?" Doesn’t take a fuckin' Einstein to work it out. But hey, he’s a world class trier.

What a laugh.
Iain Love
5   Posted 19/12/2009 at 09:06:05

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Spot on,Steven, if you know you’re not going to get caught on the counter attack by Hibbert, then that's where you attack us, although to be fair he normally doesn’t get much help from players ahead of him.
Ray Roche
6   Posted 19/12/2009 at 09:25:55

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Steven Pendleton... And how many of our squad would walk into a top 4 side? When fit, Jags, Arteta, Pienaar, and Saha, our best bet for a goal was a has been let go by a top 4 side.

Give the man a break. He’s not the best full back I’ve seen in the 50 years I’ve been going but there’s nothing wrong with being a good defender AND putting a full shift in. His distribution is as bad as Jags or Yobo but they don’t get anywhere near the stick Hibbert gets. He has consistently been left exposed by the lack of cover on the right side (think Wembley) and has been one of our best performers this season.

Mick Wrende... Maybe you should get to the match more and lay off the ale on the occasions you do. It’s affecting your judgement. "Hibbert is consistently our worst player" — Leave it out, mate... why do "supporters" of Everton have to slag our own players off? Particularly home grown ones???

Seamus McCrudden
7   Posted 19/12/2009 at 10:11:37

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Arguments work for both sides here, his biggest attribute is the guts he shows, his biggest failing his footballing skills and I include his defending here, crosses in particular, as he consistently gets out-jumped/out-muscled and to be fair that's one thing Carragher doesnt lose out too much on.

Offensively? Hoofballs... that's about it. My 7-year-old consistently moans when he sees Hibbert is playing, and sometimes I do too. He will remain a player who will divide Evertonians, he should rename himself ’Tony Kirkby’....

Phil Bellis
8   Posted 19/12/2009 at 10:41:49

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My way of looking at this and similar discussions of other ’limited’ players is... it’s a team game — imagine, e.g. Hibbert with Steven in front of him and Ratcliffe to his left; Osman with Wright behind him and Kendall alongside.

The flanks should work as a pair, such as Stevens and Steven. Baines and Pienaar show signs but is that because they are better players individually than Hibbert and Osman?

Too often Hibbert is left isolated with no back-up. I, too, have seen the best and Hibbert would not get near my all-time Everton 11 but he would be alongside Mick Lyons, Johnny Morrissey, Dave Watson etc in the all-time most committed team.

Dave Wilson
9   Posted 19/12/2009 at 10:50:59

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Steven Penedleton, if what you say is true and top teams do attack Hibbo, then explain why we only conceded 9 goals in 8 league games against the Sky 4 last year AND why only two of them came from his side? Four goals conceded against Villa, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man United, in the cup - one of them when Hibbo was off the pitch.

Lol, are you arguing for or against Hibbo? They must be the best stats of any full back in the Prem

Forget all the imaginary penalties you Hibbo haters say you see him give away and all the imaginary bookings he gets... try to focus on the facts.

Nobody, that's NOBODY! in the history of Everton football club has qualified for Europe, or played in Europe more times than Tony Hibbert, now that may not sit with your finger pointing, or your insistence on overlooking the shortcomings of other Everton players, it may not even fit in with your imaginary stats... but it's an irrefutable, undeniable, incontrovertible fact.

Iain Love
10   Posted 19/12/2009 at 11:18:01

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Dave, Europe now isn’t knock-out football, it’s leagues. Hibbo has been with us for all his career — that's why he’s played more games. I’m surprised I’ve had to remind you of that irrefutable, undeniable, incontrovertible fact.
Iain Love
11   Posted 19/12/2009 at 11:24:27

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Sorry, Dave, on your first point, last season we had a great defensive unit, of which Hibbo was a part. I would not knock him for his defensive abilities but for his attacking threat. As I posted earlier, other teams / players see the limited counter-attacking from that side and commit more.
Brian Waring
12   Posted 19/12/2009 at 11:21:56

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Hibbert is a defender first, and there are not many better than him at it. He may not be the best going forward, but what I love about the lad, he gives 100% every time he puts that shirt on, he just gets on with it, you never see him whinging, rolling around etc.

What do we keep hearing about Phil Neville? He’s a good honest pro... well, in my opinion, so is Hibbert.

It’s funny that Jags is being made into some sort of legend, but the lad has probalby made more cock-ups than Hibbert.

Dave Wilson
13   Posted 19/12/2009 at 11:44:52

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Iain, I know he was only 20% of our defensive unit, but it was stupidly claimed that he was targeted by the Sky Four, if that’s so, he must have done an incredible job.

As for the format of the European trophies, well you still have to qualify don't you? And nobody has qualified more then TH. More to the point, he ain’t finished yet... That, my friend, is incontestable.

BTW, Iain, I don't think TH is one of our all-time great players, far from it, but I find it stomach-churning that some of our fans cannot/will not give him any credit at all.

Ray Robinson
14   Posted 19/12/2009 at 12:33:54

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I thought this topic had been done to death?

In summary: Is he a true blue, committed, professional? Yes, up there with Mick Lyons

Would I buy the man a drink for his dedication to the cause? Undoubtedly — a fellow Blue

Would I boo him ever? No, criticism is reserved for forums like this not for situations that could undermine his confidence.

Would I appreciate Tony in a relegation fight? Yes, just the sort of player we need in our squad when we’ve got our backs to the wall.

Is he good enough for where Everton want to be? No, the PL has moved on since Tony hit the first team. He has not improved as a player.

It perplexes me why people confuse a healthy regard for a truly decent professional with a need to target obvious improvements in the side.
Steven Pendleton
15   Posted 19/12/2009 at 12:35:45

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I’m not denying that Tony gives 100% for the cause and doesn’t bleed blue. He is a solid defender but he gives NOTHING going forward. How many times can you remember him taking on a player down the flank? Coleman’s only played a couple of games and at least has the balls to take a player on and get a cross in.

How many games is it that he’s played for us and never scored? Pretty embarrasing really. Yes, I know he’s paid to stop them rather than score but for shit's sake, the occasional one per season would be nice.

Squad player if I ever did see one.
Iain Love
16   Posted 19/12/2009 at 14:08:46

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Dave, While the Sky 4 didn’t score that many past us, it was still more than we scored against them, and that my friend is my point. As Ray R has just pointed out, is he good enough for where we want to be? ... and the answer has to be No. I don't have the information but it would be interesting to see how many goals, assists, or part in any move that led to a goal, Hibbo has as compared to Baines.

Hibbo has been a stalwart servant to Everton for many years, and been handsomely rewarded for that service, but if I could pinpoint an area of our team for improvement, it would be the right hand side.

Interestingly enough, I read somewhere that Hibbo and Stevie Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee played youth football together and Hibbo was a striker????
European format, there are more games per season now than ever before so any current player would easily surpass previous players, it wouldn’t surprise me if Anichebe has played more European games than Sharpie but that doesn’t mean he is a better player. I would definitely keep Hibbo, but not as a 1st team regular, ditto Osman.

John Lloyd
17   Posted 19/12/2009 at 15:09:33

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I honestly believe people get on & defend him now for the sake of an argument/debate or because they dont like to see players getting singled out... but FFS!

If Tony Hibbert was placed on the transfer market the only interest would be from clubs beneath us or worse than us! He simply isnt good enough, in fact he’s awful at times. Like Ray Robinson said above, dedicated, very professional & I would never boo him but that DOES NOT make him good enough!!!!

And I really cant be bothered getting into the debate about him being a ’good defender’ because he isn't all that!!

Moreover, I’m a bit embarrassed that one of our most limited players is our record holder for European appearences, it sort of devalues that particular record for me.
Brian Lawlor
18   Posted 19/12/2009 at 15:11:52

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Tony Hibbert cannot be faulted for his effort. He is a truly committed player. However, his distribution, particularly from crossing positions, is very poor for a professional player. Anyone who cannot see this is either 1) seriously blinkered; 2) blind; or 3) has a low expectation of what ability a player should have.

The fact he is our most played in Europe doesn’t prove anything about his ability. We have only ever played in a European League twice in our history — both during his time here.

If we are to progress (which every season looks like the board doesn want to) we would to get a more gifted right back.

ps: As much as I hate the Shite, you can’t compare him to Glen Johnson who is a much better right back.

Ben Jones
19   Posted 19/12/2009 at 15:24:53

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I think the reason people slag him off so much on here is his weaknesses are a lot more obvious when he plays on the pitch than other players.

But the fact is, he has stepped up this season, and he’s a good player to have in the squad. Centre half on Thursday, I was watching his every move, and he was fantastic. But, as somebody else pointed out, modern full backs need to attack as well as defend these days, and Hibbert has only got the defending up to scratch.

But people like Osman, Hibbert and Neville — even though they are not as talented as other players in the squad, their effort and commitment is important, and they contribute the most to this positive team spirit that Everton have always been so lucky to have!

Ian Kearney
20   Posted 19/12/2009 at 15:48:41

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I’m sorry, but I don't buy this, ’he’s been excellent at centre half’ line. He’s done ok.

He loses his man far too easily (see Defoe’s goal), and looked way behind a 17-year-old kid like Duffy in terms of intelligent defending.

I’ve no problem with keeping Hibbert as a squad player, but he’s not good enough for the first team when everyone's fit.
Dave Wilson
21   Posted 19/12/2009 at 16:06:54

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Oh I see, Iain. It's not the goals we’ve conceded its the goals we haven't scored that's Hibbos fault? That has nothing to do with the fact that Ossie, Cahill, Yakubu, Jo, Vaughan, Neville, Yobo, Rodwell have all played higher up the pitch than him and you can count the number of goals they have scored or created between them since Easter on one hand... priceless!

Yeah, let's go with Brian Lawlor’s suggestion: let's pay £19 million for a right back who has cost more goals in a couple of months than Hibbo has cost in a decade — did anyone see Glen Johnson's fuck-up today? Or his OG the other night? Or...

Na fuck it, no point in arguing. Let's play Lucas Neill... Okay, so we haven't won a single league game with him in the starting line-up and we keep conceding three, but he has to be better than the man who has qualified for Europe, year, after year, after year... you couldn't make this up.

Dave Wilson
22   Posted 19/12/2009 at 16:26:37

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One more thing: All those people who make such an issue about Hibbo not being good enough for a top four team. Care to display your football knowledge by listing the players who are?
Ray Roche
23   Posted 19/12/2009 at 17:21:54

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Post removed by moderator: do not call your fellow Evertonians "closet Kopites" on here please.
Brian Lawlor
24   Posted 19/12/2009 at 17:51:37

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Dave Wilson — what was my suggestion?

I couldn’t give a flying fuck how much the shite paid for Glen Johnson, he’s still a better player than Hibbert.

No-one can fault his commitment, workrate, tackling, etc. However, no-one can say his distribution is good and expect to be taken seriously.

As for an alternative, any of the right backs in the current Premier League top 10 sides would be an improvement. He’d still be a useful squad player.

Ciarán McGlone
25   Posted 19/12/2009 at 18:19:06

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Dave hits the nail on the head...

How anyone can say Hibbert is consistently our worst player —and criticise someone else for not watching the matches while producing this somewhat flawed analysis is beyond m..

Behind Saha, he’s been a star this season.
Iain Love
26   Posted 19/12/2009 at 18:37:36

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Dave, if you read my post, I was trying and obviously failing to get the point across that, while Hibbert is a reasonable defender, he doesn’t contribute anything in attack; never has, never will. Young Coleman came on against Spurs and carried an attacking threat.

No, it’s not Hibbert's fault we haven’t scored more but ffs there’s nowt there, and that in turn invites the opposition to attack... ie, a boxer who only defends is going to get twatted, that's why a defensive-minded boxer is called a counter puncher. Baines is a counter puncher and Hibbert's the one who gets twatted...

Just to clarify things, Hibbert has NOT been our worst player this season, in fact he has been one of the better performers, and if I could say that whilst we where in a decent league position that would be great, but that's not going to happen, is it?

Dave Wilson
27   Posted 19/12/2009 at 20:08:56

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I honestly believe the blinkers worn by the likes of Brian and Iain will eventually need to be sugically removed.
You guys seem to have this idiotic notion that TH is holding us back because he isn't a top-four player. Wake the fuck up will you, we have 15-16 players in our first team squad who wouldn't get a sniff with any of the top teams.

Throughout history, teams have been able to win titles with average right backs, but no team has ever won a title with a shite midfield, a shite central defence or a shite strike force. Smell the fucken coffee will you, we fall short all over the fucken park and all you guys want to do is keep kicking the whipping boy.

You guys will never be able to identify our real problems.
Brian Lawlor
28   Posted 19/12/2009 at 20:57:43

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Dave Wilson — you are a fantasist mate. You consistenly post things that people haven’t said.

Hibbert's passing is poor. End of discussion

You also have a very unhealthy obsession with Tony Hibbert.

Peter Bourke
29   Posted 19/12/2009 at 21:37:23

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Mike, I agree with most of what you say about Hibbo, but to then bag out Cahill, who seems to be a lot of people's whipping boy at the moment, is pathetic. Your comment "why does Moyes keep faith with a hole striker who doesn’t score" shows that you haven’t been taking much notice this season. Cahill has rarely played the hole striker this season. He has spent nearly every game playing out of position to help the team through the injury crisis. And when he was deployed in his favourite role against Spurs, he scored.

Three cheers for Hibbo but I can’t agree with your Cahill comments. Even if he was as bad as you so incorrectly state then, as you saw during the week, Moyes has zero options.

James Stewart
30   Posted 20/12/2009 at 01:33:01

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I don’t mind Hibbert as a squad member but I’m struggling to see the point of this post. It seems a regular occurrence these days to post either criticizing or lauding Hibbert/Osman just to polarize opinion and get people's backs up. Very boring.
Dave Wilson
31   Posted 20/12/2009 at 09:06:39

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Brian Lawlor

I think you’ll find it you who has the unhealthy obsession, the only time we hear a peep out of you is when Hibbos name is mentioned.
I’ll just keep presenting the facts to you and the other handful of usual suspects


Peter bourke
"three cheers for Hibbo" but leave our Timmy alone ?
Grow up, he’s not above critism, Hes been very poor since Easter. You want to overlook Hibbos good performances when playing right across the back four, but then whine when Cahill is occasionally played out of position.

Cahill has not even been Div 1 standard this season . . no matter where he played

I’m all for a bit of healthy critism but lets be even handed about it

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