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Catch-22

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We have a Catch-22 position developing at the moment. We are all waiting for the likes of Jags, Arteta and to a lesser extent Neville, Anichebe (who was probably playing his best football ever before he was injured) to get back and also we still await the return to form for Yakubu and hope they all rescue the season for us.

The problem we have is that the currently available players are not cutting the mustard; we can't rely on getting clean sheets; we very rarely see the good fast interpassing moves we saw last season opening teams up; and we haven’t got three or four players each chipping in with goals. So what happens is that we are languishing in 15th place tonight, a place we deserve to be on our current form.

The Catch-22 position developing, and Moyes alluded to it today by stating that the injured players won't be returning until earliest late January or February and by the time they are match fit and significantly contributing its likely to be March or April.

Even though we could be desperate for their return, can we actually play them — just look at the Yak at the moment. What’s to say that both Jags and Arteta are both similarly affected. Can you ever afford to play three or four half-fit players when you could be desperate for points for survival?

We are stuck with what we have... and Donovan... and maybe a couple more... but, as again Moyes stated, the new lads will have to hit the road running; we cannot afford passengers.

The key area for me is to get the Baines-Pienaar partnership working again so we can actually create something, get someone to help Saha out with the goal burden (hopefully Donovan), and somehow get Bily to show us asap what we’ve paid £10m for and get something going on our right-hand side. On this thorny issue, Moyes needs to be thinking of using Coleman as right back but I suspect the lad will be sidelined until Moyes has a central defensive partnership he can trust.

The positive points at least after today are that Pienaar and Baines did show some seeds of re-forming their partnership; Heitinga and Neill looked again as though they will be the preferred two until Jags returns; and I think Fellaini is starting to define his true position — one he looks good in. Saha is becoming irreplaceable and we have to hope that we can keep him free of injuries.
Mike Oates, South Coast     Posted 20/12/2009 at 17:58:43

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Gerry Morrison
1   Posted 21/12/2009 at 03:43:38

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Am I missing something? Where is the Catch-22?
James Stewart
2   Posted 21/12/2009 at 04:04:56

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Ok, first of all I think we are only missing Arteta and Jagielka out of the injured players. Yakubu needs to be told to stay in the box and not attempt anything fancy! By the time the ball gets to him you don’t want him having to take more than two touches.

I think as soon as Arteta and Jagielka are fit they will walk straight back in. Arteta is the heartbeat of the team and one of the best midfielders in the EPL. He has never relied on pace and I think he will fit back in fine. He can’t be any worst than Cahill at the moment.
Peter Fearon
3   Posted 21/12/2009 at 04:17:43

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I’m guessing the "Catch 22" is that we won’t do better until the injured players return but when they do return, they won’t be fit enough to make a difference. I don’t agree with it though.

I was heartened by the performance against Birmingham. We tore them apart in the first half and we needed two strikers up front to finish them off. I’ve been critical of Osman but he was great today.

The Yak is finished as far as I’m concerned. I never thought he was as good as some people say and now you can see how fat and slow and out of condition he is. His confidence is shot too. He drifts out to the wings because he doesn’t want to take responsibility in front of goal. There was a time when he would have been front and center demanding the ball. Those days are long gone. If anyone has a decent offer for him we shoiuld grab it.

We need a single-minded striker and we need one before the World Cup hype puts everyone’s price tag up 50%. Jags, Arteta, Anichebe — I’ll be surprised if they are starting matches before March.

Gerald Foo
4   Posted 21/12/2009 at 08:04:21

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I used to think that the worst is over, that we’ll automatically start winning games once all our injured players are back. After yesterday’s game, I’m afraid I don’t think so anymore. In fact, I think we’re going to be dragged into a relegation battle this year.

Let’s face it, we never really look like scoring yesterday after Birmingham pulled one back. We could have played another 30 mins and we still wouldn’t have scored. Our right flank with Osman and Hibbert was just completely ineffective. Our left flank with Pienaar and Baines looks overworked.

Even when we get the ball in from the flanks, our strikers aren’t attacking the ball. Cahill was non-existent in midfield (from an offensive stand-point), and Fellaini (who was great at winning balls in the air and breaking up attacks) simply played too far behind and played too many square balls.

Bilyaletdinov did nothing apart from the goal. He didn’t take on anyone or even make any incisive passes that moved the ball forwards. Baines's and Pienaar’s crosses regularly didn’t make it pass the 1st defender (either that or our strikers weren’t attacking the ball). I actually thought Osman did well in the 1st half until he got shunted to the flanks. Any creativity we had just simply died.

Out of our returning players, only one of them (Arteta of course) will make any difference to the way we play. The rest are defensive-minded players (Neville, Rodwell) or defenders (Jagielka, Distin, Yobo). All of whom would probably not have made much of a difference yesterday as Birmingham hardly bothered to cross the half-way line.

Are we really hoping for Landon Donovan to kickstart our season? A loan signing for 2.5 months? By golly, we’re in trouble. We need to play 4-4-2 from here on cos that’s the only way we’re going to have any sort of a chance against Sunderland and Burnley in our next two games. If having greater numbers in the penalty box is the only way we’re going to score goals, then I’m afraid that’s what we need to do.

Liam Reilly
5   Posted 21/12/2009 at 08:17:15

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Funny how Neville and Victor are now being urged back, because the team needs their ability, but when these guys are in the team they get slated.

Can’t see Arteta or Jags providing much benefit until the very end of the season, where we may just need them to get to the 40 points mark.

Season objective: Avoid Relegation.
Liam Dowd
6   Posted 21/12/2009 at 09:02:54

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Personally I have never slagged off Neville. I knew the moment he got injured at Portsmouth just what a loss he was going to be, and I was right. We were turning the corner with him, 1-0 up at Portsmouth, scoring goals for fun. Portsmouth tore us a new one after he got injured, as have the majority of teams that we’ve played since.

Victor is a different story, I wouldn’t bat an eyelid if it was announced he wouldn’t return until January 2011.

We’re unlucky not to have a few more points than we already do, and those points would have taken us into the top half of the league. We will drift away from the relegation places as the season progresses, but that’s all we can realistically expect in the league. Let’s hope it doesn’t affect our ability to hold on to players like Pienaar and Arteta.
Nick Entwistle
7   Posted 21/12/2009 at 09:31:10

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New year rule for the TW community: No-one is allowed to use Catch-22 as an expression until they read the book, see the film, or at least look it up on Wikipedia.
Alistair Strachan
8   Posted 21/12/2009 at 10:18:37

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I agree that it’s unlikely we’ll see any remarkable transformation as a result of injured players returning. Jags and Arteta will take weeks to get match fit.

We’ll continue to dwell in the relegation zone while we continue defending so badly. How much space did Larsson have yesterday at their goal?? Having said that, Heitinga and Neill don’t look any worse than Distin/Yobo.

Finally, when it was obvious Birmingham were parking 11 men behind the ball and being as offensively ambitious as San Marino, why did we persist with only Saha up front for so long? We had lots of possission but, every time we broke forward our players in forward positions were swamped by black shirts.

David Hallwood
9   Posted 21/12/2009 at 10:23:45

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Another new rule is that everyone should cheer up, it could be worse, we could have arranged a chrissy piss up; imagine 4-5 hours of this incessant whinging!

Obviously no team is too good to go down, but I think we’re suffering a massive loss of confidence and seem to have forgotten how to win. Winning (and losing) is habit forming — look at the RS with practically the same team as last season they look like a bag of shite.

There are a lot worse teams in the league, to cheer yourself up go to BBC football and click on predictor, then realise that all the bottom teams (which we are at the moment) have all got tough games.

Ray Robinson
10   Posted 21/12/2009 at 10:59:31

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We won’t go down I’m sure but it’ll be mid-April at the earliest before we achieve safety — and that’s going to make for an uncomfortable ride!

I for one am sick to the back teeth of people stating that we will be automatically ok when Jags and Arteta are back. Great players though they are, it will be next season at least before they are in a position to re-capture their best form (if they ever do). You don’t waltz back into the team after such debilitating injuries — how naive can some people get?

The fate of the club depends more on who we bring in in January rather than the return of any Messiahs.

We are in the shit — we’ll get out of it, I believe — but we’re not currently in a false position. Even allowing for injuries, the squad was always too small to compete on so many fronts this year.
Norman Merrill
11   Posted 21/12/2009 at 13:38:19

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Mike, We all have our opinions, regarding the playing staff, but it's my opinion that, unlike you, I think we miss Phil Neville and his influence bigtime.

It's very important that we get all our injured lads back, as quick as possible, because we could be in for a real end-of-season battle.

Norman Merrill
12   Posted 21/12/2009 at 14:18:19

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Mike, what I forgot to mention was since Phil's injury, we have had about four or five different captains, I think that speaks for itself?
Paul Lighten
13   Posted 21/12/2009 at 17:17:18

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Isn’t the Catch-22 whether we play not so good players who are fit or play returning players who are far better, but aren’t match fit?
Nick Entwistle
14   Posted 21/12/2009 at 17:46:38

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To give an Everton twist on Catch-22... To play for Everton with their abysmal ability to put points on the table, a player would be mad to take the field, which would in turn be a reason to get out of playing. But by asking to not play for said reason, they would show their sanity in realising the madness of playing... and would have to play.
Ciarán McGlone
15   Posted 21/12/2009 at 20:05:08

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"Personally I have never slagged off Neville. I knew the moment he got injured at Portsmouth just what a loss he was going to be, and I was right. We were turning the corner with him, 1-0 up at Portsmouth, scoring goals for fun. Portsmouth tore us a new one after he got injured, as have the majority of teams that we’ve played since."
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What a load of rubbish. Apart from 2 or 3 games, we’ve been consistently crap since the start of the season... and that includes those games Neville played.

Neville will not improve our current problems, which are ones of quality, consistency and tactics.
John Andrews
16   Posted 22/12/2009 at 00:29:34

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Liam, I thought that Neville got injured at Fulham?
James Stewart
17   Posted 22/12/2009 at 03:14:54

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Ciaran beat me to it. I concur.

The only player we miss is Arteta as he actually makes a difference. I want to see him play with Fellaini in centre midfield with Pienaar just in front. Now we are talking!

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