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Ok, this is a News of the World story and would normally be treated as absolute garbage by me. However, it seems the player has instructed his agent to try to arrange a loan signing this January. Frustrated at being left out at Valencia, Fernandes is looking for a Premier League loan and Everton top the list of proposed suiters, apparently.
As a player he often flattered to deceive but had obvious talent and a midfield of Fernandes, Fellaini, Pienaar, Bilyaletdinov and Arteta is a mouthwatering prospect.
I know that the 'Fernandes debate' seems to divide the masses and has been done countless times before but we are a different team now from when he was last here, in very different circumstances, and there seems some worth in discussing it.
So, would you like to see him here on loan?
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/football/649916/FERNANDES-TARGETS-EVERTON-RESCUE.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Football&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Score_Everton+%28Everton%29
Ben Howard, Posted 22/12/2009 at 11:12:40
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"Fernandes, Fellaini, Pienaar, Bilyaletdinov and Arteta is a mouthwatering prospect."
All average players, there is nothing mouthwatering about this. Mid-table players at best
All average players, there is nothing mouthwatering about this. Mid-table players at best
That would explain the consecutive 5th place finishes and a trip to wembley then Ted.
Happy Christmas, Scrooge... I mean Ted.
I would be delighted to see Fernandes back especially as I think its going to take Mikel to the start of next season to get back to his best after spending the best part of a year out. Any news by the way on when we can expect him Jags, Neville and Anichebe back from injury?
Wouldn’t that be a third loan spell, Rob? We had him twice before, but Black Bill did his usual "I’ll give you two bob on the never never and a pair of tickets to Blood Brothers" special dragging his arse last time around and off he went.
With respect to Rob, he does intimate that this would be a 3rd loan spell Gavin.
Ted, that is ridiculous
Ted, that is ridiculous
Ted, clearly not mid-table players. All regular International players except Arteta, who in my opinion is the best of the 5 by far.
Yes, we are under-achieving this season, but clearly the injuries have hampered us, and of course the opposition have caught us up. That said, with all players fit, we are capable of climbing the table and rescuing a season which is already written off.
We should have signed him in the first place. We played some really good football with him in the team and were good to watch. I’m not getting my hopes up but having Pienaar, Arteta and Fernandes in the same team would be class.
I’d hazard a guess that this is not BS paper talk. It doesn’t follow the usual lazy journalistic creation of naming a player for the sake of it. If it is then the journo would either need to be an Everton fan or have an unhealthy interest in all PL clubs’ loans over the last number of seasons.
The simple fact Fanandes’s name is in a paper whose conjecture you cannot trust, makes it all the more believable... if that makes sense...
Anyway, big fan of the man, his second stint wasn’t as immense as his first but so what? He and Arteta again will make me have a warm glow in my pants. Merry Christmas.
Sorry Ted, did you just post that Piennar and Arteta were mid table players at best. C’mon Ted admit it you’re at the works party and had a bit too much mate.
I would certainly take him on loan. Great ability, if he could just get his head and attitude right. Imagine if he worked like Pienaar does. He could (thats could) be world class.
Or he could just not really bother like the second time around.
Or he could just not really bother like the second time around.
No thanks. Lazy player, poor attitude.
Doubt it would happen and agree that he was lazy with a poor attitude. However witht the situation we are in at the moment regarding injuries and poor form the extra men may give us the boost we need. Who knows, over the past couple of years he may well have developed a lot and got rid of bad habbits.
Luxury player, great when we are 2 goals up in a game, but not the sort of player we need in the relegation battle we find ourselves in!
If it can be done, it should be done.
I doubt that he can find his way to the training ground any more, but we are still at GP and he has shown how to gobsmack the world there.
If we do get him (lots of ifs here) I will be glad that two years older, with the Big Fella growing up, youngish Steven (Saints’s Day the 26th) bombing around, mouthwatering doesn’t start the possibility. And Mikel in the mix? I would only worry if Arteta and Fernandes were fighting each other for the same ball.
Bilyaletdinov, Saha and possibly Shay Coleman could be scoring loads. Donovan we have yet to see. But a bench of Yak, Rodwell, Hibbert, Cahill, Osman and Vaughan should scare the shite out of the opposition.
I haven’t done my sums on this, but as I said, if it can be done itshould be done.
I doubt that he can find his way to the training ground any more, but we are still at GP and he has shown how to gobsmack the world there.
If we do get him (lots of ifs here) I will be glad that two years older, with the Big Fella growing up, youngish Steven (Saints’s Day the 26th) bombing around, mouthwatering doesn’t start the possibility. And Mikel in the mix? I would only worry if Arteta and Fernandes were fighting each other for the same ball.
Bilyaletdinov, Saha and possibly Shay Coleman could be scoring loads. Donovan we have yet to see. But a bench of Yak, Rodwell, Hibbert, Cahill, Osman and Vaughan should scare the shite out of the opposition.
I haven’t done my sums on this, but as I said, if it can be done itshould be done.
Would love him back.
I can’t believe some people even have to think about it. If he is available and wants to come we should move heaven and earth to get him. The perfect replacement for Arteta while he is injured. Quality player.
Ciarán McGlone -
1. take that bloody accent off your name which means we have to cut and paste every time we respond to your rants.
2. You don’t rant. I usually approve of your logic in the turmoil that is so-called professional football. At times a bit too Thomas Aquinas for me, but the inquisition has yet to burn me at my favoutie steakhouse so no harm done.
3. And we do agree. What possiblle harm could Manny do to us - what rich rewards we might reap.
Happy holiday fella.
1. take that bloody accent off your name which means we have to cut and paste every time we respond to your rants.
2. You don’t rant. I usually approve of your logic in the turmoil that is so-called professional football. At times a bit too Thomas Aquinas for me, but the inquisition has yet to burn me at my favoutie steakhouse so no harm done.
3. And we do agree. What possiblle harm could Manny do to us - what rich rewards we might reap.
Happy holiday fella.
He’d make all the difference for us. He looked good playing out of position when he was here last time, Moyes played him forward and wide on account of him having actual skill. We could play him in his natural position in front of the back four now, a good sized playmaker capable of tackling and distributing beautifully. I’ve said before, him and Bentley would take us to the next level, seems we’ll be settling for Donovan instead of Bentley and to be honest, I’ll be amazed if Fernandes comes back.
I agree, him and Bentley would make a massive difference. However, I don’t see it happening and unfortunately, not convinced about Billy as yet. However, Piennar, Arteta and Fernandes all prove that loan signings in January can be worthwhile
Keith Ctrl-Alt-a gets you the accent on the a... thus á.
I’d have anyone on loan at the moment if I thought it would give us the chance to start climbing off the bottom of the table.
I’d have anyone on loan at the moment if I thought it would give us the chance to start climbing off the bottom of the table.
Always stated, if we picked him up again, his name is the next Everton shirt I’ll be buying.
One of my favourite players of recent years. He has the class and if fit, will help us climb back where we should be!
FERNANDES!! COYB!
One of my favourite players of recent years. He has the class and if fit, will help us climb back where we should be!
FERNANDES!! COYB!
Looked top drawer in his first spell — his second spell after we nearly broke the bank for him he looked absolutely piss poor. I’d give him a go but with no idea of who would turn up.
Ted Smeethes — when did you last get laid? I’m guessing 1977 and it cost less than a fiver. No other explanation for your curmudgeonly nonsense.
If Manny’s not fit he’s no use to man nor beast. And his temperament is a bit suspect. However if he is match fit he can be of the most brilliant playmakers around. I saw him tear Newcastle a new one at the end of his last loan spell (OK not a good example!) He is worth taking the risk and I’d love it, absolutely love it of he were back at Goodison.
Ted, you’ve embarrased yourself big time I’m afraid, Arteta an average player, I really have heard it all.
I always liked Manny, but then I have a soft spot for players who aren’t afraid of possession. During his second spell as he got fitter, almost everything good about that Everton team started to come from him. As long as Moyes doesnt stick him out on the wing!
I always liked Manny, but then I have a soft spot for players who aren’t afraid of possession. During his second spell as he got fitter, almost everything good about that Everton team started to come from him. As long as Moyes doesnt stick him out on the wing!
I remember thinking when we were fucking about over this fella, why not sign the little fat fucker from Charlton, he’s better and half the price, well Sunderland signed him instead.
The little fat fucker has lost weight and he’ll make more goals between now and the end of the season than Manny Stepover Fernandes will make in the rest of his career.
The little fat fucker has lost weight and he’ll make more goals between now and the end of the season than Manny Stepover Fernandes will make in the rest of his career.
Almost resisted the temptation to join in here - I personally would welcome Fernandes back by the way, the more options the better given the current shortage of options available to DM and a bit of flair would come in handy - but I’ve been sucked in...
Put us out of our misery, Ted, your comment is surely a total wind-up.
Billy is a proven Russian international, Pienaar’s about as skilful a dribbler as I’ve seen in a long time and Arteta’s our talismanic Iberian star - arguably the finest signing this club has made in the past five years.
You, sir, are either a comedian or a complete dolt. So come on, which is it?
Put us out of our misery, Ted, your comment is surely a total wind-up.
Billy is a proven Russian international, Pienaar’s about as skilful a dribbler as I’ve seen in a long time and Arteta’s our talismanic Iberian star - arguably the finest signing this club has made in the past five years.
You, sir, are either a comedian or a complete dolt. So come on, which is it?
Who’s this your talking about Dave; Reid?
Can everyone lay off Ted please! Apart from Arteta and maybe to an extent Pienaar, the players he mentions ARE average at best.
Bily is already looking a shocker of a purchase — looks like he is running through treacle and, as Graeme Sharp observed, his only turn of pace comes when he is hooked off and he can get his trackie on again.
Fellaini is, and always will be, a lazy charlatan. No pace, no hunger, no decent shot, indisciplined.
Fernandes was a showboater with no guts, just a few stepovers. But of course, Evertonians fed on a diet of Claus Thomsens wetted themselves. Even Pienaar has a very inconsistent choice and execution of pass.
If we take off our blue tinted glasses and remind ourselves of some of the truly great players we have had, Ted’s comments may not seem quite so ludicrous.
Ian if Dave is talking about Andy Reid that lazy fat arse has only scored 7 goals since 2004, I can think of better midfielders than that
Ahh, an Xmas bonanza... agreement with Mr Glazzard. Seasons greetings on that note yourself.
As for Mr Acquinas... too reminiscent of pandas and people for me.
I'm a placebo.
As for Mr Acquinas... too reminiscent of pandas and people for me.
I'm a placebo.
I would love it if Fernandes came back !
Bring him back. This doesn’t mean that I don’t think he’s a lazy, fan-placating showpony, but better that than David bloody Bentley.
I don’t know where his name came from, but it almost made for nostalgic last week’s Beattie’s-coming-back ’story’ .
I don’t know where his name came from, but it almost made for nostalgic last week’s Beattie’s-coming-back ’story’ .
Gavin, These players who are better than Andy Reid? How many of them have as many assists? List suddenly got shorter?
This guy has escaped the Moyes-like football Curbishley inflicted upon him, he’s lost 9 kg in weight, has more assists than our entire midfield AND Manny this season. He has the ability to make an ordinary side look good.
These better players you mention? I’d love to see your list... and their price tags.
He’s not a right back so we won’t sign him.
Manny cannot get a game for Valencia, were the game is slower than the Premier League. I'd rather have a Robbie Savage type player, an in-your-face player for 90 minutes. I agree with Steve Guy: lazy, poor attitude.
Sign him up quick style before Rafa jumps in. A full midfield will be mouthwatering.
Pip, Hibbert, Ossie & now Cahill are players from a generation past and cannnot cut it in today's Premier League; squad players at best. Fernandes is the type of player if he works hard and gets his attitude right that can turn us into a top 4 club as he has the skills, end of.
Ironically, It seems Manny isn’t getting a game at Valencia, partly due to the excellent form of our previous loan target Ever Banega.
Personally, I’d absolutely love to see Fernandes back in a blue shirt again. I remember him being a little disappointing during his second spell but to be fair to him he was struggling for fitness and as has been mentioned earlier in the thread, he was played out wide.
I do remember the last game he played was against Newcastle at Goodison, he was magnificent that day despite playing wide left.
Please let this one be true.
Personally, I’d absolutely love to see Fernandes back in a blue shirt again. I remember him being a little disappointing during his second spell but to be fair to him he was struggling for fitness and as has been mentioned earlier in the thread, he was played out wide.
I do remember the last game he played was against Newcastle at Goodison, he was magnificent that day despite playing wide left.
Please let this one be true.
I would be happy with any players coming in but I think, with Yak and Yobo probably heading for Africa, we need to look at those posistions first.
Think we will get Donavan and that's it but we will have loads of rumours and fights about players we are not going to ever sign!!
Think we will get Donavan and that's it but we will have loads of rumours and fights about players we are not going to ever sign!!
From this morning's Mirror:
Valencia midfielder Manuel Fernandes is having talks with Everton about returning to Goodison Park for a third spell.
Portuguese international Fernandes, 23, has had two loan spells at Everton and nearly moved to Merseyside in a £12 million switch before going to Valencia.
But Fernandes is not in Valencia’s long-term plans and president Manuel Llorente is ready to let him go out on loan to boost the midfielder’s World Cup chances and also ease the Spanish club’s wage bill.
Agent Jorge Mendes said: “To have any chance of playing at the World Cup he needs minutes and matches and Everton is a serious chance.”
Valencia midfielder Manuel Fernandes is having talks with Everton about returning to Goodison Park for a third spell.
Portuguese international Fernandes, 23, has had two loan spells at Everton and nearly moved to Merseyside in a £12 million switch before going to Valencia.
But Fernandes is not in Valencia’s long-term plans and president Manuel Llorente is ready to let him go out on loan to boost the midfielder’s World Cup chances and also ease the Spanish club’s wage bill.
Agent Jorge Mendes said: “To have any chance of playing at the World Cup he needs minutes and matches and Everton is a serious chance.”
Three things about Manny Fernandes:-
1. He showed plenty of promise in his first loan spell and looked a decent young player.
2. He did the dirty on Everton when he agreed to join us, attended the game, sat with Kenwright, agreed everything and shook hands, then signed for another club the next day because they offered more money.
3. He was pretty poor in his second loan spell at Everton.
1. He showed plenty of promise in his first loan spell and looked a decent young player.
2. He did the dirty on Everton when he agreed to join us, attended the game, sat with Kenwright, agreed everything and shook hands, then signed for another club the next day because they offered more money.
3. He was pretty poor in his second loan spell at Everton.
Fernandes hasn’t played because he’s been injured, he broke his leg towards the end of last season and has had a few set backs since then.
Saying he isn’t getting a game there is comparable to one of us saying Arteta hasn’t been getting a game here. When we all know he’s been injured.
Valencia fans rate him highly, he was one of there better players last season (before his injury) and in the long term they see there future midfield partnership as Manuel Fernandes and Ever Banega.
Saying he isn’t getting a game there is comparable to one of us saying Arteta hasn’t been getting a game here. When we all know he’s been injured.
Valencia fans rate him highly, he was one of there better players last season (before his injury) and in the long term they see there future midfield partnership as Manuel Fernandes and Ever Banega.
Dave, I have rated Reid for a while (even when he was fat) but it’s no good just plucking names out the air. For starters, do Sunderland want to sell? Does Reid want to leave? Do we have the money? How long is on his contract?
Andy Reid’s irrelevant to a discussion of Fernandes, they’re not the same type of player.
Daily Mirror has this story today including a quote from the agent naming Everton:
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Everton-poised-to-sign-Portuguese-star-on-loan-article266333.html
Daily Mirror has this story today including a quote from the agent naming Everton:
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Everton-poised-to-sign-Portuguese-star-on-loan-article266333.html
Dave, assist to who in a blue shirt? Care to name who’d be there every week waiting to take these killer assists? Saha... not fit enough for full season. Yakubu... not fit enough to play full match and will he be again this season? Jo... piss-poor first and second touch. Vaughan... really? Erm... at that point, you run out of strikers, Dave, so who would these assists go to or do you have a mysterious list of strikers we don’t know about at the club?
If you want out of the air creative midfielders, how about Mesut Ozil of Werder Bremen? 21 years old and called up for Germany already, not much of a gamble, looks decent and creative. You’d have to be quick though as it looks like Arsenal are already hovering and watch his price fly through the roof after the World Cup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=479Ga8aS4ls&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=479Ga8aS4ls&feature=related
I thought we’d have all learned by now that we were NEVER going to sign Manny for £12 million. The player himself said that talks were going on so long he didn't know whether we were going to offer him a contract and Valencia stumped up right away.
If you are in any doubt about another smoke and mirrors show by Kenwright, explain what happened to the supposed £12 million, or even part of it.
Fernandes can be a top class player if kept fit and playing.
Now what was Everton’s problem again? Clue: keeping players fit and playing.
If you are in any doubt about another smoke and mirrors show by Kenwright, explain what happened to the supposed £12 million, or even part of it.
Fernandes can be a top class player if kept fit and playing.
Now what was Everton’s problem again? Clue: keeping players fit and playing.
Ian, I didn’t say he was available, I was merely pointing to a missed opportunity, we chased after a show pony who has never nailed down a place in any club he has been at, but missed the opportunity of signing a more intelligent creative player who wanted to join us and would have cost half as much.
Gavin, Come on, I know we are struggling up front, but surely creating the chances in the first place would be a step in the right direction?
Anyway... all hypothetical now.
Completely different players to be honest, Fernandes is a deep lying central midfielder, at his best taking taking the ball off the back four, starting attacks and dictating the tempo of a game.
Andy Reid is an attacking midfielder who can also play out wide. Naturally, given the position he plays, he’s more likely to pick up assists. Just like Pienaar picks up more assists than Arteta.
Different players, they are ’creative’ in different areas of the pitch.
Fernandes has proven himself at Valencia, he’s highly rated there, he was a regular until he broke his leg and has been out ever since. Which is why it’s poor journalism really, he’s been injured.
He has a tendency to overplay at times but there’s no doubting he’s a quality player with a great mix of technical and physical attributes.
Andy Reid is an attacking midfielder who can also play out wide. Naturally, given the position he plays, he’s more likely to pick up assists. Just like Pienaar picks up more assists than Arteta.
Different players, they are ’creative’ in different areas of the pitch.
Fernandes has proven himself at Valencia, he’s highly rated there, he was a regular until he broke his leg and has been out ever since. Which is why it’s poor journalism really, he’s been injured.
He has a tendency to overplay at times but there’s no doubting he’s a quality player with a great mix of technical and physical attributes.
I would rather have Manny in the team than any of the others. Much as I like Peanut and Fella, his second spell maybe was not great, but the move on MOTD against Arsenal was class that mosy players will never be able to replicate and the skill to unlock defenders is just what we need.
Nothing against Bily or the best little Spaniard, but when has the latter ever showed against the top teams and not so long ago most on here were moaning about the free kicks and corners only being able to find the first defender.
Baines’s introduction was welcome on the free kick front but we seem to have been able to have coached that out of him also.
Also, our current experience suggests that it will not be a case of one playing at the expense of another, more likely having a fit and able 4 (or 5) for midfield.
I have ignored for some reason that PN and maybe JR and TC will probably come in to the equation, wow, mouth watering!!
Nothing against Bily or the best little Spaniard, but when has the latter ever showed against the top teams and not so long ago most on here were moaning about the free kicks and corners only being able to find the first defender.
Baines’s introduction was welcome on the free kick front but we seem to have been able to have coached that out of him also.
Also, our current experience suggests that it will not be a case of one playing at the expense of another, more likely having a fit and able 4 (or 5) for midfield.
I have ignored for some reason that PN and maybe JR and TC will probably come in to the equation, wow, mouth watering!!
Manny's goal against Man Utd was pure class most of the players in the current squad wouldn't even take a shot like that against Man Utd, let alone score one.
Blows hot and cold, too inconsistent and injury prone. Given our current predicament with injuries I’d say he’s the last thing we need.
Reyes? OMG
No, no, no, no, no.
No.
No.
Connor
You're right of course, they are different players, but I was thinking more along the lines of Pienaar being switched to the middle.
Reid’s a clever player, no team can have too many of them, I just felt he was easily the better option at the time.
Like I say, it doesn't matter now, we ended up with neither.
You're right of course, they are different players, but I was thinking more along the lines of Pienaar being switched to the middle.
Reid’s a clever player, no team can have too many of them, I just felt he was easily the better option at the time.
Like I say, it doesn't matter now, we ended up with neither.
All these people who are say quick to brand Fernandes lazy! What evidence have you got of this may i ask!? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Everton sat on their hands for ages over this transfer and I was not at all surprised he opted for Valencia. I would take Fernandes over any of our current midfield any day.
Can’t believe Andy Reid is mentioned either in the same thread! Someone even called for a Savage type player! God help us! I can imagine us climbing up the table with them two in the team! NOT! An insult to the quality of player Fernandes is.
Had we signed MF after his first spell, I have no doubt in saying he would have probably turned out to be Moyes’s best piece of business.
Dave Wilson - Where has Andy Reid nailed down a spot in any decent team? Looked good in the Championship but then so does the whole of the Newcastle team! We shouldn’t be looking at players of his ability, not now, not then, not ever!
Fernandes’s Problem was that he was part owned by the same company as Tevez etc. Pretty hard to settle when you are touted around to the highest bidder constantly. I think you will find a whole host of clubs wanted to keep him but could not afford it. He was also outstanding at Portsmouth.
Fernandes’s Problem was that he was part owned by the same company as Tevez etc. Pretty hard to settle when you are touted around to the highest bidder constantly. I think you will find a whole host of clubs wanted to keep him but could not afford it. He was also outstanding at Portsmouth.
James Stewart
To answer your question — even though it was really stupid one — not only has he nailed down a place in a top half prem team, but his manager thinks he’s the main reason they are top half.
I know a lot of Pompey fans and they barely remember Fernandes, so he really set Fratton Park alight.
I’m not one of the Evertonians who is blinded by the goal Fernandes scored against the Mancs, I tend to remember things a little clearer... like the goals he cost us the times he wastefully gave away possession and made no effort to retrieve it, the overwhelming majority of the time when he was not even deemed good enough for selection. And, more to the point, I remember that only one other team in Europe was interested in him and guess what? ... he still chose them.
I obviously expect higher standards for Everton than you. I won't be falling over myself trying to make excuses for him stabbing us in the back, nor will I look back at his time at Everton and remember anything more than a greedy fancy Dan who only ever gets linked with Everton when he can't get a game where he is.
To answer your question — even though it was really stupid one — not only has he nailed down a place in a top half prem team, but his manager thinks he’s the main reason they are top half.
I know a lot of Pompey fans and they barely remember Fernandes, so he really set Fratton Park alight.
I’m not one of the Evertonians who is blinded by the goal Fernandes scored against the Mancs, I tend to remember things a little clearer... like the goals he cost us the times he wastefully gave away possession and made no effort to retrieve it, the overwhelming majority of the time when he was not even deemed good enough for selection. And, more to the point, I remember that only one other team in Europe was interested in him and guess what? ... he still chose them.
I obviously expect higher standards for Everton than you. I won't be falling over myself trying to make excuses for him stabbing us in the back, nor will I look back at his time at Everton and remember anything more than a greedy fancy Dan who only ever gets linked with Everton when he can't get a game where he is.
"Fernandes is the type of player if he works hard and gets his attitude right that can turn us into a top 4 club........."
’Twas the night before Christmas and some had drank way to much advocaat and sherry!!!!!!
’Twas the night before Christmas and some had drank way to much advocaat and sherry!!!!!!
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I would rate him as one of the most talented players to don the blue shirt in the past decade. However, it is all about his fitness (which was suspect last time) and his attitude — which has also been called into question.
If Arteta shows no sign of an iminent return I would not rule this out...