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Sunderland v Everton

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Line-up for today:

Everton: Howard, Baines, Heitinga, Neill, Hibbert, Pienaar, Osman, Fellaini, Bilyaletdinov, Saha, Cahill.

Subs: Nash, Vaughan, Neville, Yakubu, Coleman, Duffy, Baxter.

CYOB!!!
Rob Murphy, Cork, Rep of Ireland     Posted 26/12/2009 at 11:37:59

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Ste Blundell
1   Posted 26/12/2009 at 11:18:09

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Any Festive Streams?

Just managed to waddle away from my Christmas goodies long enough to turn the computer on but I can't seem to find any streams. All the usuals aren't working. Went to ToffeeWeb only to find that no-one has posted any yet. Help!

Andrew Oxton
2   Posted 26/12/2009 at 14:48:20

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Plenty here

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=59546&part=sports

Should be up soon. COYB
Matthew Salem
3   Posted 26/12/2009 at 14:49:02

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Fuck, 2:0 West Ham. As it stands we are now, what, 17th? We need 3 point today...COYB!
Colin Ryan
4   Posted 26/12/2009 at 14:52:09

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http://www.hostream.net/menu.html Hope one of these lin ks works lads
James Thomas
5   Posted 26/12/2009 at 14:59:19

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - osman keeps his place? Really? FUCKING REALLY? It puts me in a bad negative mood before a ball has even been kicked when that boy plays
Joey Brown
6   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:00:00

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Let’s get a clean sheet!
Matthew Salem
7   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:00:37

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http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b307106e4636

this veetle link is working great so far.
Giles Larkman
8   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:03:19

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I second that veetle link
Colin Ryan
9   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:08:15

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Cheers Matthew..great link
Jamie Barlow
10   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:09:00

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Stupid tackle.
Peter Killey
11   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:07:02

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Osman, what a tackle...lol
Jamie Barlow
12   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:09:28

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Sunderland first to every ball and both fullbacks just letting the crosses come in. Got to get closer to the man.
Peter Killey
13   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:11:50

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So close
Gavin Ramejkis
14   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:03:57

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Osman should have buried that
Matthew Salem
15   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:08:52

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aaaah...that was close....
Jamie Barlow
16   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:11:16

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unlucky Ossie. Just clipped the outside of the post.
Matthew Salem
17   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:13:10

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You welcome Colin.
Will Leaf
18   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:13:20

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Great buildup to that chance
Gavin Ramejkis
19   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:12:48

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Heitinga handling Darren Bent quite well
Peter Killey
20   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:16:54

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Heitinga, is slowly becoming a good player, tackles great, good engine, and can PASS from the back four
Gavin Ramejkis
21   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:15:31

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Sunderland chasing everything, showing how it’s done
Joey Brown
22   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:00:16

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I could see that goal happening again. Crap.
Gavin Ramejkis
23   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:20:52

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Shite, saw that coming a mile off, keystone cops defending again, welcome to the bottom three
Matthew Salem
24   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:20:19

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FUCK DOES THIS SHIT EVER END!?
Andrew Bankes
25   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:21:14

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Championship here we come!
Jamie Barlow
26   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:17:20

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Fuckin shite. Centre halfs are getting tore apart. i don’t know what your watchin Gavin.
Will Leaf
27   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:20:51

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Nightmare...Heitinga let Bent run away from him there
Gavin Ramejkis
28   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:21:36

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How shit are we, loads of time and space to put the cross in and easiest header in the world to finish
Will Leaf
29   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:21:56

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Our centre-halfs have been shocking this year
Joey Brown
30   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:23:10

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Saha needs a strike partner in this game... it seems blatantly obvious
Kunal Desai
31   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:22:59

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WTF???Bent gets in between both our centre backs!! It’s simple defending these lot can’t do.
Gavin Ramejkis
32   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:22:47

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Jamie, Heitinga was doing well earlier but the centre halves both of them were fucking useless for the goal, the table doesn’t fucking lie.........again
Peter Killey
33   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:23:05

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OUR def needs to take a pay cut, they have done Fook all, all season, if i sat at work and did fook all all day they would not pay me...
Bloody everton are frustrating at time
Jamie Barlow
34   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:24:08

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Jesus Christ. Who’s markin who? this is a fuckin joke.
Fran Mitchell
35   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:24:43

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sunderland are showing what having TWO good quality strikers playing together can do. Saha is all alone, no support, Cahill is past it simple.......bring on the Yak NOW
Jamie Barlow
36   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:25:38

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Every ball they play forward goes to Jones or Bent and they hold it up. How fuckin simple is that? So why can’t we fuckin do it? I’m getting annoyed and bored already.
Gavin Ramejkis
37   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:26:28

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There may as well not be a midfield, Saha on his own is going to get fuck all, change it Moyes whilst we still have a chance
Ian McPherson
38   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:27:42

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Since the first ball Heitinga let bounce over his head to Hibbert just kicking the ball straight up in the air. We just don’t want to know.....
Jamie Barlow
39   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:28:16

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No movement at all.
Peter Tomlinson
40   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:26:53

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Anyone else rember us beating this
mob 6-0 a couple of years ago? Who has progressed since?? Oh I forgot we have loads of injuries therefore don’t question the
manager
Kunal Desai
41   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:26:58

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This season’s a write-off! and until we get TAKENOVER we will be relegation candidates year on year. Let the good ol’ days roll on.
Matthew Salem
42   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:30:33

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We are playing with fear and are confidence is non-existent. If anybody doubts we are fighting relagation, please wake up...
Jamie Barlow
43   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:30:19

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I’m not really a Moyes lover Peter but there is no way he trains the players to kick the ball 80 yards every time they get the ball. They are just totally clueless when they go behind. Panic stations every time.
Kunal Desai
44   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:32:30

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7-1 not 6-0
Brian Waring
45   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:33:44

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Today, there can be no injuries excuse, that is a strong line up out there.
Fran Mitchell
46   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:33:25

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Cahill is totally static. no movement atall, he is offering zero support to saha, and he is in his position today so what the excuse this time?
Will Leaf
47   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:35:28

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Agreed Fran...slot Donovan right in there
Peter Killey
48   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:35:16

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Our players Can’t cross a hot cross bum, in a fooking bakery, I have seen 11 year olds cross better than Everton today,
Peter Killey
49   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:36:38

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Bun, not bum..
Will Leaf
50   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:37:01

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Kinky
Peter Tomlinson
51   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:34:02

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Sorry kunal I just remember the 6 goal defecit :) we missed a trick not buying Cana in the summer. Luckily though we got heitinga. HOOF!
Brian Waring
52   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:37:07

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Going forward we look dangerous, we just look dodgy when we are on the back foot.
Will Leaf
53   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:37:50

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Someone remind me...when did one of these hopeful lobs toward the penalty box actually lead to a chance...let alone a goal?
Will Leaf
54   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:39:49

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Should have been a red there...wtf
Peter Killey
55   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:44:43

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GET another striker on the field. Get tiny the tit timmy off, I don’t remember the last time he did anything good in a game .... one goal all season?
Fran Mitchell
56   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:42:26

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dominating posession but doing nothing with it. Bily hasnt done a thing all game, neither has cahill. Pienaar looks dangerous but baines has been very poor. All players look isolated and therefore we just hit and hope, looking to feed off scraps.

There is an absolute lack of leadership, maybe the return of Neville can change this. One thing is for sure, Cahill is not captain material (first team material???)

This current system is poor, it is time to Yakubu a chance.

The defnse looks terrified all the time, the return of Jags will be big but how long until he gets fully fit or back to his best? he wont recieve any confidence boost playing in that back-4.
Matthew Salem
57   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:47:36

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2 goals all season, but ys, he is invisible today.
Andrew Oxton
58   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:47:08

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Tiny the tit timmy?? For fucks sake......A few bad games. Cahill is a blue legend.
Fran Mitchell
59   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:48:38

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it would also be nice to see Coleman get a chance. but of course he wont be risked until he’s 25 and any chance of him developing has vanished
Jamie Barlow
60   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:47:37

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Time for Cahill to fuck off the pitch. He’s offered nothing this season. Probably spat his dummy out cos Lescott went. Get The Yak on and tell him to move his fat arse or else he can fuck off in January. Also when we have a chance to cross it, do we play it back to Hibbert who can’t cross to save his life. Its just so simple its untrue.
Will Leaf
61   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:46:34

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Keeping perspective not a bad first half. Defence has let us down again, poor crossing continues to plague, Tim not really contributing. Decent possession though, some good joined up stuff overall. Get Tim off and see what Vaughan can do I reckon. Yak not there yet.
Fran Mitchell
62   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:50:41

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Alex Young is a Blue legend, don't overuse the word legend.

Cahill has been a good player for us over the last few years, he isn't world class and will not be idolised my youngsters after he retires. He WAS a good player.

Now???????????????????????????????

Legends don't play like Cahill is today.
Joey Brown
63   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:51:05

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I see two big keys here:

Saha is misfiring

Everytime Pienaar gets in a good position he passes away the opportunity instead of shooting.

Really look at it he’s trying to find Saha everytime and refusing to shoot and when someone does find Saha he’s rushing it. I know they’re our golden balls but better choices on their parts and we’d AT LEAST be level.
Peter Killey
64   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:50:58

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Legend, Cahill? What has he ever done? legend, Ball, legend Ferguson, Tiny Tim? Do us a favor, what 50 goals or so in what 6 years? We have to be realistic as fans, he is shit right now, get him off. we are in a relegation fight, no time for sentimentality, if he can’t produce now, when will he?
Jamie Barlow
65   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:51:07

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Andrew. Cahill hasn’t had a few bad games. He’s had a few good games. He’s been rubbish this season. You can’t keep pickin someone cos he played well last season.
Andrew Oxton
66   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:53:05

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Sorry Fran, disagree with you there, on all points, never mind, that's what these fan sites are for... opinions. Mine is that Tim Cahill is a Blue Legend.
Peter Tomlinson
67   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:54:24

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After today we are exactly half way through the season. If results stay the same and Wigan grab a goal we are in the relegation zone going into the New Year. No need to worry though... Jags and Arteta will be back soon and 5th place here we come.
Will Leaf
68   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:56:24

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Glancing at the Live Table we seem to be one point off 19th...and only four off bottom (and that is bloody Portsmouth!)
Jamie Barlow
69   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:55:37

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Peter. Its not about scoring goals. Scoring goals doesn’t make you a legend. You say Cahill has only scored 50 goals in 6 years and then say Fergusons a legend who only scored 50 in his whole Everton career. I agree he is shit this year though.
Matthew Salem
70   Posted 26/12/2009 at 15:55:49

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Both the Beep and FSC say we are playing attractive football. I must agree, but what use is that if our defense is non-existent? Moysey, please bring Vaughan or Yak on, we need a 2nd striker!
Steve Cahill
71   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:02:40

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For fuck sake, we dominate possession yet again and still have nothing to show for it.

Cahill, Billyet however the fuck you spell his name both need to be subbed off, and benched to show them that your not going to get an easy game with or without injuries. Funny that ’Billy’ comes out and bags the way we play football when he cannot put a cross in to save himself.

Bring Vaughan on, Yakubu can’t run for shite. Maybe if we dangle a McDonalds voucher infront of him he may run his fat arse a bit more.

Saying that, I like the way Pinaaer and Saha are busting there gut.
Will Leaf
72   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:04:59

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Tim will certainly be a "remembered player" from this era. We’ve been in a 20 year slump, and who knows how long it will endure. Maybe Tim is our new quality of legend...after all, how long could we hold on to a Young or a Ball these days?
Kunal Desai
73   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:02:29

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No worries Peter. We get linked to lots of players, most rubbish but some decent ones. Unfortunately like it or not the good ones go to clubs with ambition and those that are progressing. Unless you looking for an extra pay day after a successful career or your an average player looking for a longer deal then Everton is perfect for you. Thats the reality mate.
Ste Traverse
74   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:06:18

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I agree Cahill hasn’t played well all season but he doesn’t deserve some of the abuse he’s got on here today off a few beauts.

I hope he bangs in a goal or two in the second half and shuts you up.
Alex Higgins
75   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:06:22

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you lot are deluding yourselves.
only jag and arteta would improve this team.
the team today is not far off full strength.
even when the two above mentioned players return it will take time for them to get back to top form.
dont expect immediate improvement.
we are in a dogfight the only consolation is i beleive there are 3 teams worst than us but it will be close.
Richard Dodd
76   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:08:51

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Only getting interupted coverage but from what I’ve seen our defence is playing stictly to Davy’s rules for once and taking absolutely no chances.Only problem is that although we are clearing our lines without farting about we now need to nick two.Still think we can win this if Saha can get on the right end of a couple of those clearances.COYB!
Steve Cahill
77   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:13:18

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Ste I hope to god you are right
Jamie Barlow
78   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:11:40

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I hope he does too Ste. But the way he’s playin today, he deserves the shit he’s getting.
Will Leaf
79   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:12:36

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Tim is looking a lot better this half! No-one on that pitch will fight harder for the cause
Peter Killey
80   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:15:10

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I hope he does too...
Matthew Salem
81   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:13:38

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FFS LOUIE! Fuckin score!
Matthew Salem
82   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:15:54

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Sunderland are shite and we trail, fuck this. Come on boys, pull yourselves together and believe in yourselves!
Steve Cahill
83   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:18:10

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Okay I’m sure the emphasis of this game if we lose won’t be on the lack of ’killer instinct’ but the absolute SHITE the referees are serving up.
Colin Ryan
84   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:17:19

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Look who their bringing on..if we cant beat a team with Zenden in it were doomed!!
Joey Brown
85   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:12:45

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Anyone see Cahills backheel? It was priceless! And it worked too! Ha I love him... in form or not.
Will Leaf
86   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:19:43

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Wigan have scored...we are now one place above the drop...backs to the wall boys!
Fran Mitchell
87   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:15:53

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Its a case that we have other option to tim cahill at this moment, and we should explore them.

Yakubu will only get fit if we play him, he is the sort of player who can score goals even if playing poorly.

Baines has also played poorly, but the fact is we have no other options at left back so criticism will not reach him.

No single player is the cause of the team playing poorly. But Cahill has played poorly and is still in the team when other options exist.

Maybe if he got dropped for a few games he would come back stronger, maybe he would be better as a second half impact sub. we need to at least explore these options cos 1 thing is for sure, what we are doing now aint working
Jamie Barlow
88   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:18:54

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What is it with hitting the first man when we try and cross the ball? It's incredible! It's just basics. Why can’t we beat the first man?
Brian Waring
89   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:21:19

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Steve, are you saying that we are getting nothing off the referee?
Will Leaf
90   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:22:30

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This ref is getting ridiculous, a breath of wind knocks over Zenden....oh, free-kick Sunderland. Cahill got poleaxed from behind in the box and nothing.
Joey Brown
91   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:24:21

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HAHAHAHA commentator just called out Moyes for not making an subs! I like this game... lose or not. And it certainly looks like a loss.
Tom Campbell
92   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:27:33

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Wretched
Ste Traverse
93   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:26:10

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If anyone deserves criticism its Bily, another invisable performance.

COME ON EVERTON, THESE ARE SHIT!!!
Ajay Timothy
94   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:27:53

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Bily is becoming my least favorite Everton player. No movement, no passing, no nothing.

I dont know why Moyes has not taken him off. It is like playing with 10 men for the whole game
Will Leaf
95   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:28:55

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Baines was climbed over there like a cheap Ben Nevis...ref is blind
Jamie Barlow
96   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:28:51

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Clueless, absolutely clueless. No pace. No ideas. No hope.
Steve Cahill
97   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:30:38

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I’ve seen more calls in a game of mutes then what we are getting today.

Fellaini will have elbow marks in his back after today’s match.
Matthew Salem
98   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:32:29

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Fucking hell...
Jamie Barlow
99   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:31:55

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Nothing wrong with the challenge on Baines. The lad just wanted it more than Baines, as ever.
Will Leaf
100   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:33:21

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This season is not boding well, we’re not even getting points off Sunderland now.

Come on lads
Joey Brown
101   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:27:35

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Saha... off.
Brian Waring
102   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:35:05

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Not Saha’s day today.
Matthew Salem
103   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:33:34

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How many chances does Saha need? Fuck!
Peter Tomlinson
104   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:33:23

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Yakubu "who’s still not fully fit". What happens in training 5 days a week at Ffinch Farm where you can’t be fully fit after 3 months?
Tom Campbell
105   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:38:19

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A decent corner whipped in and we just let the keeper catch it... This is so depressing to watch.
Joey Brown
106   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:40:18

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This is boring... any other game and I’d have turned it off.
Brian Waring
107   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:38:49

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The commentator on the radio peter, saying that Moyes is fucking screaming at the Yak because he didn’t make any movement for Cahill, who was looking for an out-ball.
Jamie Barlow
108   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:38:22

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Fuck em all off. Fuck Moyes off. Fuck Kenwright off. Put my 8 year old school team out and they’d have more of an idea than these lot. Its an embarrasment watchin these. I don’t care how much ball we’ve had, i can’t remember their Goalkeeper having to make a save.
Will Leaf
109   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:40:46

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Yakubu looked a bit quicker there... still strong of course. A torn Achilles is a devastating injury.
Brian Waring
110   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:42:47

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Not being funny Jamie, I’m normally one of our biggest critics, but we are fucking battering them, any other day Saha could have had a hat-trick.
Will Leaf
111   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:45:36

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Why is Neville warming up...Vaughn’s been told to sit back down apparently?

Yes... okay now bring on Neville!!!
Jamie Barlow
112   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:42:41

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Get in. See what happens when you beat the first man. How fuckin hard is it.
Alex Higgins
113   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:46:46

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We've scored!
Matthew Salem
114   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:38:28

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FUCKIN GET IN SCREECH! 1:1
Brian Waring
115   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:46:09

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Deserved that Fellaini, he’s been out -standing today.
Ste Traverse
116   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:46:37

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Much deserved weve bossed the second half.

Now lets go and win it.
Neil Pearse
117   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:47:20

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Absolutely Brian - our best player of today and recent weeks has got the goal. Well done Marouane!
Joey Brown
118   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:48:22

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We need a win! A WIN lets go for it!
Mat Parks
119   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:47:42

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Get in.....that was a special special goal
Will Leaf
120   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:49:55

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Sunderland are in tatters...COYB
Will Leaf
121   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:50:58

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What a cross by Hibbo!
Peter Tomlinson
122   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:52:03

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We’ve missed Jo today
Andrew Oxton
123   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:52:42

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I am in tatters
Brian Waring
124   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:50:57

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Listening to Sky as well as the radio, Jeff Stelling saying that we are defending stoutly, and deserve to come away with something out of the game. What a tit, we have fucking hammered them.
Jamie Barlow
125   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:53:58

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The Yak didn’t do fuck all then. Shite referee.
Joey Brown
126   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:52:20

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Not good enough. Fuck this. I’ll take a win over 18 draws. If I’m supposed to be happy then clearly something in the fibers of this club is off.
Will Leaf
127   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:56:31

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We’ll still be okay this season, and I’ll still be hoping Wolves bury Benitez
Jamie Barlow
128   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:58:36

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Give me one, Brian
Jamie Barlow
129   Posted 26/12/2009 at 16:59:13

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Exept maybe my 8 year olds school
Tom Campbell
130   Posted 26/12/2009 at 17:25:23

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There is one thing for certain... 3 points against Burney on the 28th or the club can cease to excist
Dermot Ryan
131   Posted 26/12/2009 at 17:27:43

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Now who do I root for? Wolves or the Red Scum?
Matthew Salem
132   Posted 26/12/2009 at 17:39:28

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I have the same dilemma, Dermot.

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