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Graham Poll has come out and said Premier League needs more 'top flight' referees and that it's 'not healthy to referee a team 7 or 8 times a season'.

To my recollection we haven't had Mr Clattenburg officiate since that infamous game. By the law of averages we should have had him again by now.

Is this an admittance by the PL that he does have a bias towards the other lot? Has he reffed Liverpool since?

I don't even think he was reprimanded for that game, he just sat out the following week's fixtures.

I've got my lozenges ready to berate the tosser.
Ged Hogg, Bebington     Posted 04/01/2010 at 07:53:44

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Gavin Ramejkis
1   Posted 04/01/2010 at 14:19:47

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Don’t cry it in Ged, I never want to see that biased RS cunt set foot in GP ever again.
Dave Roberts
2   Posted 04/01/2010 at 14:33:51

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It might be my fault! I sent Hackett an e-mail (which was received and opened) in which I said Clattenberg had better not set foot in Goodison again as there would probably be a riot!!

Not true as Evertonians are better than that but, sorry as I am, it was how I felt at the time!
Karl Jones
3   Posted 04/01/2010 at 14:31:36

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I dont think it was healthy for Poll to referee anyone once a season. If we accept that this man was not a cheat, then he must be the most incompetent British referee ever (and that's saying something), whose opinion is not worth a toss. Its' quality referees we need, not MORE of the posturing idiots.

Maybe the answer is to look abroad. Having watched a lot of Euro football over the last few years, the referees mostly just referee the game properly without all the histrionics you see in the PL. 95% of the time you're not talking about how the Ref has altered the game.

Norman Merrill
4   Posted 04/01/2010 at 14:43:04

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Ged, To my knowledge, he has refereed the red side since, it was just before he was suspended for things in his Business life. I think it was on just one occasion, I cannot recall the opponents.
Norman Merrill
5   Posted 04/01/2010 at 14:46:07

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I must add that the game he took was away from Merseyside.
Chris Briddon
6   Posted 04/01/2010 at 15:44:44

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Karl, I think that’s a fairly blinkered view, there a many more incompetent referees on the continent than in the Premier League, you just don’t get to hear about them much. I used to watch Italian footy on C4 and some of the refereeing decisions were bizarre.

My particular favourite was the one who booked a player for time-wasting when the back 4 were just passing the ball amongst themselves with the ball in play!

And for those who don’t remember I will say one word... COLLINA!
Chris Lawlor
7   Posted 04/01/2010 at 16:20:47

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Chris Bridden,

To be fair to Collina, other than his abberation in the Villarreal game, the guy had a near perfect career.

I still maintain he is one of the best refs of the last 10-15 years.
Gerry Quinn
8   Posted 04/01/2010 at 16:24:08

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Your local "Anorak" here, listing Twattenbergs matches since THAT miserable day.......

Games refereed by M Clattenburg in 2007-08

Comp  Home  Result  Away  Date  Y  R (cards)

EPL Everton 1 - 2 Liverpool  20-10-2007 3 2
EPL Fulham 3 - 1 Reading 03-11-2007 3 1
EPL Derby 0 - 5 West Ham 10-11-2007 4 0
EPL Bolton 1 - 0 Man Utd 24-11-2007 3 0
Championship West Brom 2 - 4 Coventry 04-12-2007 4 1
Championship Preston 0 - 1 Blackpool 08-12-2007 6 0
EPL Wigan 5 - 3 Blackburn 15-12-2007 8 1
EPL Birmingham 1 - 1 Fulham 29-12-2007 3 1
L1 Leeds 1 - 3 Oldham 01-01-2008 0 0
FAC Tottenham 2 - 2 Reading 05-01-2008 4 1
EPL Derby 0 - 1 Wigan 12-01-2008 3 1
FAC Man City 1 - 0 West Ham 16-01-2008 2 0
EPL Liverpool 2 - 2 Aston Villa 21-01-2008 4 0
EPL Bolton 0 - 0 Fulham 29-01-2008 0 0
EPL Tottenham 1 - 1 Man Utd 02-02-2008 10 0
EPL West Ham 1 - 1 Birmingham 09-02-2008 5 1
FAC Chelsea 3 - 1 Huddersfield 16-02-2008 0 0
EPL Blackburn 4 - 1 Bolton 24-02-2008 6 0
EPL Arsenal 1 - 1 Aston Villa 01-03-2008 3 0
FAC Bristol R 1 - 5 West Brom 09-03-2008 0 0
EPL Man City 2 - 1 Tottenham 16-03-2008 0 0
EPL Chelsea 2 - 1 Arsenal 23-03-2008 4 0
EPL Reading 0 - 0 Blackburn 29-03-2008 8 1
Championship Stoke 1 - 2 C Palace 07-04-2008 2 0
Championship Wolves 0 - 1 West Brom 15-04-2008 2 0
EPL Aston Villa 5 - 1 Birmingham 20-04-2008 1 0
EPL Tottenham 1 - 1 Bolton 26-04-2008 4 0
Championship Sheff Wed 4 - 1 Norwich 04-05-2008 1 0
EPL Portsmouth 0 - 1 Fulham 11-05-2008 0 0
Championship Play-Off Hull 4 - 1 Watford 14-05-2008 2 0

Games refereed by M Clattenburg in 2008-09

European Cup MTK 0 - 5 Fenerbahce 06-08-2008 0 0
EPL Man City 1 - 0 Bolton 24-05-2009 0 0

Games refereed by M Clattenburg in 2009-10

EPL Aston Villa 0 - 2 Wigan 15-08-2009 4 0
EPL West Ham 1 - 2 Tottenham 23-08-2009 3 0
EPL Chelsea 3 - 0 Burnley 29-08-2009 1 0
EPL Man City 4 - 2 Arsenal 12-09-2009 5 0
EPL Bolton 1 - 1 Stoke 19-09-2009 4 0
LC Barnsley 3 - 2 Burnley 22-09-2009 3 0
EPL Blackburn 2 - 1 Aston Villa 26-09-2009 4 1
EPL Hull 2 - 1 Wigan 03-10-2009 2 0
EPL Man Utd 2 - 1 Bolton 17-10-2009 1 0
L1 Millwall 2 - 1 Leeds 24-10-2009 2 0
EPL Arsenal 3 - 0 Tottenham 31-10-2009 2 0
EPL Aston Villa 5 - 1 Bolton 07-11-2009 5 0
EPL Hull 3 - 3 West Ham 21-11-2009 4 1
EPL Wolves 0 - 1 Birmingham 29-11-2009 3 0
LC Man Utd 2 - 0 Tottenham 01-12-2009 3 0
EPL Arsenal 2 - 0 Stoke 05-12-2009 0 0
EPL Bolton 3 - 3 Man City 12-12-2009 5 1
EPL Chelsea 2 - 1 Portsmouth 16-12-2009 0 0
EPL Wigan 1 - 1 Blackburn 26-12-2009 5 0
Championship Nottm Forest 2 - 0 Coventry 28-12-2009 1 0
FAC West Ham 1 - 2 Arsenal 03-01-2010 2 0

Gerry Quinn
9   Posted 04/01/2010 at 16:25:14

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Boy, that looked a lot easier in table format!!!
I’m back in work and BORED!

Ed Note: Want some HTML training, Gerry!?!

Danny Burke
10   Posted 04/01/2010 at 16:47:13

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Gerry Quinn. Please tell me you are not a pilot or doctor. Who’s flying the plane or saving lives while you are doing this?

As for Clattenberg, I never want to see that cheating incompetent waste of oxygen again!
Gerry Quinn
11   Posted 04/01/2010 at 18:00:08

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Hah, Danny, not on your life - I hate flying and avoid hospitals like the plague (if I can!). t’s first day back at the office here in freezing Houston and I’m feeling extremely bored (don’t let my boss know, though).

Very little news, other than Bainesy and Nev spouting out the usual pre/post match crap.

I still would love to know what the FA wankers said to Clattenberg after that performance, if anything, and why they refused to take Moysie on any further after his excellent reposte to them.

David Hallwood
12   Posted 04/01/2010 at 18:16:50

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Gavin we may be in disagreement about Everton being for sale but we’re singing from the same hymn sheet about our Mark. One cheating bastard; after that disgraceful performance he should have been struck off for life. If he ever sets foot inside GP again, I might get myself arrested.

It is interesting that the normally aloof FA have never given him another game at Goodison.
John Keating
13   Posted 04/01/2010 at 19:02:33

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I suppose most clubs have their own "Public Enemy No 1" but I have to agree with all the posts that Clattenburg should never be allowed to referee again at Goodison.

In 47 years of supporting the Blues, I can remember some incompetent refereeing though I can honestly say it affected both teams. The Clattenberg Derby, however, was the most blatant one-sided refereeing seen. I still cannot believe that there was not some sort of enqiry into it. This man should have been struck off.

On the other side of the coin, can you imagine the match and the atmosphere it would generate if the incompetents ever did give him another game at Goodison!

Dave McCarten
14   Posted 04/01/2010 at 19:40:43

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Chris Lawlor, Collina was dragged out of retirement to throw that pesky English 5th team out seeing as the tossers let the scum back in on the basis of defending the cup. He did his job, kicked us out, then crawled back into retirement with probably a nice wad of notes in his arse pocket.

Also Twattenburk now has a lovely new hair do now, seeing as the little shit was nearly baldy — did the red boys have a whip round for him for his thatch?

David Hallwood
15   Posted 04/01/2010 at 20:12:23

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Prior to the derby I thought that Clattenburg was a top ref, in fact he’s not a Riley or a Harris, so his performance in the derby can’t be put down to incompetence and as John Keating said why there was never an official enquiry into his handling of the derby remains a mystery, because the amount of mistakes the bastard made cannot be put down to incompetence. It was like Italy in the the 60’s all over again
Gerry Quinn
16   Posted 04/01/2010 at 20:23:13

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I still remember how that obnoxious FSW tried to sum it all up::
"People talk about a penalty they could have had. But last season we lost here 3-0, two of their goals were fouls and nobody complained then. I always feel that in England, players should not be rewarded with penalties for diving. I felt both penalty decisions were right. And I also agree with the yellow card for Kuyt and not a red."
Of course, most of the REAL footballing world thought differently! And as for his comments about diving. Bambi? Say no more.
I still have a strong sense of disgust of that day.....and most other derby matches
Keith Glazzard
17   Posted 04/01/2010 at 21:52:10

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A very important aspect of the afters from that day was that the FA threatened Moyes with disciplinary action following his remarks about the official. They withdrew - why, we may never know.

The best bet at the time was that DM (apart from having a very good case) spoke to the official and the reply from Clattenburg (which must have been heard by others) would have been very embarassing for the FA should it be made public.

I would hazard that the ref who never knew a father is unlikely to visit GP again while Moyes is still in charge.
Neil Steele
18   Posted 04/01/2010 at 23:06:45

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The league is littered with awful refs and the worrying thing is, even when good refs do come along — and Clattenburg was the best by a mile at one point, IMO — they get corrupted and turn shite. By that I don’t mean corrupted in physical way, I mean either the pressure becomes too great on them from the FA and managers or they simply let their own self image go to their head. Either way, it’s a common trend... Howard Webb is another; great ref turned poor. Far and away the best right now IMO is Phil Dowd, he is his own man and doesn’t get infuenced or crack under pressure.
Gerry Quinn
19   Posted 05/01/2010 at 02:08:16

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Regarding the Ed Note - : Want some HTML training, Gerry!?!

HTML????

Give me a break, Ed, I’m coming up for 60 years of age soon - old dogs, new tricks and all that!
Gerry Quinn
20   Posted 05/01/2010 at 02:13:38

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When you had the list in my format, it took everyone ages to scroll down to the bottom of the page.

Now with your HTML format, it seems like getting to the bottom of the list is the equivalent in speed of Everton "hoofball"!

Did Moysie invent that HTML then?

Hoofball Tactics, Moysie’s Lifesaver
Rob Pryor
21   Posted 05/01/2010 at 09:43:15

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Just an aside but wasn’t Clattenburg the linesman who incorrectly ruled out Andy Johnson’s goal for offside at Ewood Park in Feb 08?
David Alexander
22   Posted 05/01/2010 at 12:41:01

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Rob;

I have no idea. But I did hear that back in ’63 he reffed a 5-a-side on a grassy knoll in Dallas...
Chris Butler
23   Posted 05/01/2010 at 14:47:42

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Well, I think it was one of the worst refereeing performances I’ve ever seen, the anger among Everton fans was immense. Gerrard's dive and whisper to Clattenburg. Kuyt's ridiculous challenge. The arugement that actually it wasn’t a goal scoring oppurtunity. The way he denied Lescott's penalty was ridiculous.
Mick Gallagher
24   Posted 05/01/2010 at 20:30:37

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Well the kopshite is the ref for Stoke and Fulham on now. That fucking face and smug fucking smile... red twat.
Dave McCarten
25   Posted 05/01/2010 at 21:26:36

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Keith, any idea what the tit said?

Mick, is his rug shrinking in the snow yet?.

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