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With news that Arteta, Anichebe and Jagielka are all back training, it got me wondering. Supposing our whole squad was fit (I know it will never happen), who would you pick for the first team. It's very tough between Distin/Yobo or Jagielka/Heitinga in defense. In midfield do we play Bily/Donovan or Neville/Rodwell?
My first eleven would be:
Howard
Neville
Jagielka
Yobo
Baines
Pienaar
Fellaini
Arteta
Bilyaletdinov
Cahill
Saha
Tom Campbell, Posted 12/01/2010 at 07:23:19
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Tom, It is difficult but, let’s be honest, how many times do teams ever have a fully fit First 11? This is why the likes of Osman, Hibbert and Vaughan are so important to the whole squad as players who can come and do a job.
For the record, my first eleven would be:
Howard
Neville (C) Heitinga Jagielka Baines
Pienaar Fellaini Arteta Bily
Cahill
Saha
I really rate Heitinga at centre back, a good old fashioned no-nonsense player.
For the record, my first eleven would be:
Howard
Neville (C) Heitinga Jagielka Baines
Pienaar Fellaini Arteta Bily
Cahill
Saha
I really rate Heitinga at centre back, a good old fashioned no-nonsense player.
The team above would be my choice, except for the next two months were id play Donavan for Bily, put Donavan on the right and switch Stevie P back over to the left.
Agree with Chris and Ste. All the players you leave out become potential impact or tactical subs; something of an alien concept to us in recent months but valuable to keep hold of games, deal with lack of form and fitness, and win games we’re not already winning.
e.g. Rodwell, Coleman, Osman, Vaughan, Anichebe, Bily, Yobo, Distin.
When you list who is NOT included in the "first 11" it looks quite promising really!
e.g. Rodwell, Coleman, Osman, Vaughan, Anichebe, Bily, Yobo, Distin.
When you list who is NOT included in the "first 11" it looks quite promising really!
Tend to agree with Ste, but as much as I rate Cahill in an attacking midfield position, I’d prefer a 4-1-3-2 especially at home with perhaps a 4-4-1-1 away. Howard
Neville, Heitinga, Jags, Baines
Fellaini
Donovan, Arteta, Pienaar
Yakaubu, Saha
Neville, Heitinga, Jags, Baines
Fellaini
Donovan, Arteta, Pienaar
Yakaubu, Saha
2 quick things before I name my XI:
1. I know people will (quite rightly) say that it is more and more a squad game these days, and that this exercise is pointless. But it’s a bit of fun, and if we were to reach another cup final, and all our players were available, this is an example of when this exercise would be valid. We can but hope eh?
2. The central defenders was the toughest pick for me. Personally, I think Heitinga is the most important as he is the least prone to hoofball, and thus encourages us to play a good standard of football. Jagielka partners him on the basis that he warrants a place in the team, but I do think that we would lack aerial strength with those two playing together.
GK: Howard
RB: Neville
LB: Baines
CB: Heitinga
CB: Jagielka
DM: Fellaini
RM: Bilyaletdinov
LM: Pienaar
CM: Arteta
AM: Cahill
CF: Saha
1. I know people will (quite rightly) say that it is more and more a squad game these days, and that this exercise is pointless. But it’s a bit of fun, and if we were to reach another cup final, and all our players were available, this is an example of when this exercise would be valid. We can but hope eh?
2. The central defenders was the toughest pick for me. Personally, I think Heitinga is the most important as he is the least prone to hoofball, and thus encourages us to play a good standard of football. Jagielka partners him on the basis that he warrants a place in the team, but I do think that we would lack aerial strength with those two playing together.
GK: Howard
RB: Neville
LB: Baines
CB: Heitinga
CB: Jagielka
DM: Fellaini
RM: Bilyaletdinov
LM: Pienaar
CM: Arteta
AM: Cahill
CF: Saha
For me it would be:
Howard
Neville (C)
Yobo/Heitinga
Jags
Baines
Pienaar
Arteta
Fellaini
Bilyaletdinov
Cahill
Saha/The Yak.
Cahill behind the striker. Fellaini holding (on current form) Arteta pulling the strings and Peanuts and Bily getting creative out wide.
For me Yobo/Heitinga dont have much to seperate them, same with The Yak and king Louis.
I was tempted to leave out Cahill and go 4-4-2 with he Yak and Saha up top together.
Baines and Pienaar are a great combo so I would hate to break up a great duo so Bily and Peanuts to swap wings through the game.
It’s easy this management lark!
Howard
Neville (C)
Yobo/Heitinga
Jags
Baines
Pienaar
Arteta
Fellaini
Bilyaletdinov
Cahill
Saha/The Yak.
Cahill behind the striker. Fellaini holding (on current form) Arteta pulling the strings and Peanuts and Bily getting creative out wide.
For me Yobo/Heitinga dont have much to seperate them, same with The Yak and king Louis.
I was tempted to leave out Cahill and go 4-4-2 with he Yak and Saha up top together.
Baines and Pienaar are a great combo so I would hate to break up a great duo so Bily and Peanuts to swap wings through the game.
It’s easy this management lark!
I’d go for:
Howard
Neville
Jagielka
Distin
Baines
Fellaini
Rodwell
Arteta
Pienaar
Bilyaletdinov
Saha
I know this leaves Cahill out, but he’d be one hell of an impact sub for my money!
Howard
Neville
Jagielka
Distin
Baines
Fellaini
Rodwell
Arteta
Pienaar
Bilyaletdinov
Saha
I know this leaves Cahill out, but he’d be one hell of an impact sub for my money!
Yobo would not get near my first Xl is everyone was fit.
_____________________Howard_________________________
Coleman_______Jagielka____Heitinga_________Baines___
_____________________________________________________
______________________Fellaini________________________
______________________________________________________
________________Pienaar______Arteta___________________
Donovan_____________________________________Bily_____
_______________________Saha__________________________
I would prefer a better Left winger but Bily is all we have so had to play him.
_____________________Howard_________________________
Coleman_______Jagielka____Heitinga_________Baines___
_____________________________________________________
______________________Fellaini________________________
______________________________________________________
________________Pienaar______Arteta___________________
Donovan_____________________________________Bily_____
_______________________Saha__________________________
I would prefer a better Left winger but Bily is all we have so had to play him.
Biggest issue for me is Cahill or Yak; personally, if we are assuming the Yak is fully fit, I would go for him.
Cahill has been fantastic for us in a 4-5-1 but has always been lacking in a 4-4-2, 4-4-2 relies on better midfield players which I believe we now have so I would go with:
Howard
Neville (C) / Jags / Heitinga / Baines
Bily / Arteta / Fellaini / Pienaar
Yak / Saha
I disagree that the defence is hardest to pick, I can’t see how Distin or Yobo are anywhere near Jags or Heitinga!
Cahill has been fantastic for us in a 4-5-1 but has always been lacking in a 4-4-2, 4-4-2 relies on better midfield players which I believe we now have so I would go with:
Howard
Neville (C) / Jags / Heitinga / Baines
Bily / Arteta / Fellaini / Pienaar
Yak / Saha
I disagree that the defence is hardest to pick, I can’t see how Distin or Yobo are anywhere near Jags or Heitinga!
I know everyone has their opinion, but I can't believe the Yak doesn't get into most of your starting line-ups! For me, he is one of the best strikers/finishers around! His goalscoring record is class... Feed the Yak 'n' he will Score! (anyway, thats my opinion only, not judging others!) ;-)
My 11:
Howard
Neville
Yobo
Jagielka
Baines
Donovan
Fellaini
Arteta
Pienaar
Yak
Saha.
My 11:
Howard
Neville
Yobo
Jagielka
Baines
Donovan
Fellaini
Arteta
Pienaar
Yak
Saha.
Interesting to see Neville in most of the above sides, consider the general abuse he gets on TW.
For me, Cahill would start ahead of the Yak as the Yak and Saha are too similar. Cahill is more of a nuisance and gets under the skin of the opposition, whilst Saha and the Yak are more direct.
That said, horses for courses and all... and it wouldn't hurt to mix it up a bit..
For me, Cahill would start ahead of the Yak as the Yak and Saha are too similar. Cahill is more of a nuisance and gets under the skin of the opposition, whilst Saha and the Yak are more direct.
That said, horses for courses and all... and it wouldn't hurt to mix it up a bit..
Still think that Heitinga is proving to be one our best buys for quite a while and think that he and Neill have done a brilliant job as "stand ins". They have been up against some real class players these last few games and are looking good "intelligent" buys, in typical Moyes style. He will be around for quite a while I am sure, the sort of player DM loves.
Hmmm, is it me or for all the boring, dull and negative tactics Moyes is employing, picking his favorites even when they are clearly past it (Cahill), lacking balls and determination to have a “real” go and play attacking football, only 3 out of 12 people chose the “attacking” 4-4-2 formation?
Funny, isn’t it?
Funny, isn’t it?
Sorry guys we need at least one taller central defender. Heitinga and Jags would be too similar. Someone has to deal with Carew,Crouch,Adebayor and those kind of players unless you have a dynamic midfield who can shut off the high ball supply. This weeks game may be a test against Adebayor of City.
It will be interesting how Heitinga & Neill cope with Tevez who is on fire at the moment, and I don’t think Adebayor of City will be available despite the withdrawal from AfCoN, but Heitinga over Distin & Yobo every time
How can anyone one of you who have only seen Donovan for 70 minutes all of a sudden put him in Everton’s starting 11?
Give him a few games first and then judge.
Give him a few games first and then judge.
I’m surprised Bily has strolled into most people’s starting 11. He’s scored a few, but come on - does he really get involved enough to make it into the best starting line up? Not saying he won’t come good with time, but most of us wouldn’t have had the Big Afro in our best 11 last season for the same reason. He’s come a long way.
I think this team would take the most points in a season, even if not our most attractive footballing team possible.
Howard
Pip, Heitinga, Jags, Baines
Neville, Fellaini
Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar
Saha or Yak (on form alone).
I think this team would take the most points in a season, even if not our most attractive footballing team possible.
Howard
Pip, Heitinga, Jags, Baines
Neville, Fellaini
Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar
Saha or Yak (on form alone).
Sorry, Pip was meant to be Neill
- couldn’t make my mind up!!!
- couldn’t make my mind up!!!
On present and recent past form I would play 4-1-3-1-1
Howard
Neville, Jags, Heitinga, Baines
Fellaini
Pienaar, Arteta, Osman
Cahill
Saha
Licence for Peanuts and Osman to change wings constantly; Cahill to do what he does best, roam all over the place and arrive late in the box.
Howard
Neville, Jags, Heitinga, Baines
Fellaini
Pienaar, Arteta, Osman
Cahill
Saha
Licence for Peanuts and Osman to change wings constantly; Cahill to do what he does best, roam all over the place and arrive late in the box.
Big Fella doing a great job at present in his preferred role. Heitinga superb recently at centre half. Great subs bench: Yobo, Distin, Rodwell, Yakubu, Vaughan etc.
For me the way we play and the way we should play are two different things. For me my XI would be;
Howard
Neville Jags Hetinga Baines
Fellaini
Rodwell Arteta
Bily Pienaar
Saha / Yak
Like others have said, massive impact subs (Cahill, Anichebe, Vaughan, Osman, Gosling...).
However, this really is Championship Manager stuff — we would never have this luxury!!
Howard
Neville Jags Hetinga Baines
Fellaini
Rodwell Arteta
Bily Pienaar
Saha / Yak
Like others have said, massive impact subs (Cahill, Anichebe, Vaughan, Osman, Gosling...).
However, this really is Championship Manager stuff — we would never have this luxury!!
At Goodison Park playing Hull etc:
Howard
Neill, Yobo, Jageilka
Rodwell, Fellaini
Arteta, Pienaar, Bily
Yak, Saha
At Old Trafford etc:
Howard
Hibbert, Yobo, Jagielka, Baines
Arteta, Cahill, Fellaini, Pienaar, Bily
Yak
Howard
Neill, Yobo, Jageilka
Rodwell, Fellaini
Arteta, Pienaar, Bily
Yak, Saha
At Old Trafford etc:
Howard
Hibbert, Yobo, Jagielka, Baines
Arteta, Cahill, Fellaini, Pienaar, Bily
Yak
I would put Yobo and Jagielka as my first choice any day.
I love these ’Best XI’ discussions. They take no account of players form, or loss of, player development (i.e. Felli coming on leaps and bounds the last couple of Months), the impact of the system we play and the need for tactical variation depending upon how a game is going and even the opposition. I.e. They are static!
Carry on boys!
Carry on boys!
This would be my 1st XI playing a wing back system.
GK: Howard
CB: Jagielka
Sweeper: Heitings
CB: Distin
RWB: Coleman
LWB: Baines
DM: Fellaini
CM: Arteta
CM: Pienaar
CF: Saha
CF: Yakubu
GK: Howard
CB: Jagielka
Sweeper: Heitings
CB: Distin
RWB: Coleman
LWB: Baines
DM: Fellaini
CM: Arteta
CM: Pienaar
CF: Saha
CF: Yakubu
Wouldnt it be better termed as your favorite 11? Because the way I see it, the amount of games played plus the amount of players in the squad, then there is no such thing as a best 11.
For example, if you had 3 games in the space of 10/12 days which were Hull (A), Arsenal (A), Birmingham (H) I could very well play 3 different line-ups in all of them games.......you see my point?
If not, what I am saying is in our position right now we can only pick a best 11 for the game we are playing that day. I don't think we’re good enough yet to have the mentality of saying ’whoever we put out should be enough to win’.......not yet anyway!
For example, if you had 3 games in the space of 10/12 days which were Hull (A), Arsenal (A), Birmingham (H) I could very well play 3 different line-ups in all of them games.......you see my point?
If not, what I am saying is in our position right now we can only pick a best 11 for the game we are playing that day. I don't think we’re good enough yet to have the mentality of saying ’whoever we put out should be enough to win’.......not yet anyway!
I will also throw this in, with a full squad we should be playing a 4-4-2 for the majority of our games maybe reverting to a 4-5-1 in the odd game.
Player wise I think that the spine should consist of Howard, Jags, Fellaini, Arteta.
The only other players I would be reluctant to leave out are Pienaar, Neville, Baines, Saha. but even saying that no-one is undroppable.
Player wise I think that the spine should consist of Howard, Jags, Fellaini, Arteta.
The only other players I would be reluctant to leave out are Pienaar, Neville, Baines, Saha. but even saying that no-one is undroppable.
Not including Donovan,
Howard
Neville, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines
Fellaini
Billy, Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar
Saha
Someone will always be hurt though. so...
Bench: Coleman, Osman, Hibbert, Vaughan, Nash, Rodwell, Distin.
Howard
Neville, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines
Fellaini
Billy, Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar
Saha
Someone will always be hurt though. so...
Bench: Coleman, Osman, Hibbert, Vaughan, Nash, Rodwell, Distin.
When all of our injured players return what is our strongest XI? This is my choice: Howard Neville, Hettinger, Jagielka, Baines Osman, Felliani, Arteta, Cahill, Peinaar Saha Subs: Nash, Distin, Coleman, Yakubu or Jo, Yobo or Hibbert, Vaughan or Gosling or Anichebe I have chosen Hettinger above Yobo and Distin, as he has proven to be solid, reliable and good reader of the game. Yobo and Distin can blow hot and cold, with Yobo liable to make telling errors at the wrong times. My other hard choice was Osman or Bilyatinov? I opted for Osman as he has a better work rate, is two footed, able to switch flanks with Pienaar. It wouldn't make a huge difference to play Bilyatinov instead of Osman. Hibbert, I think will struggle to make the side even as a sub, unless we are hit by injuries, with Coleman now being my preferred 2nd choice at RB. If I had to point out any weaknesses, then its the lack of a good replacement for Baines at LB and a longterm replacement for Nash.
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