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First off, it has to be said that Everton's performance on Saturday against them smug bastards was nothing short of awesome. It has to have been one of our best performances for years, never mind this season. We had everything — brilliant defensively; superb passing, flowing football, with the long ball utilized at correct times; and a hatful of chances in which the score should of read 4-0, not 2-0. All-in-all every single player was superb, with a special mention going to Fellaini (whose performance was nothing short of world class).
Anyhow, the reason for this article is that, despite all of the above, in which to summarise we OUTPLAYED, OUTCLASSED, OUTFOUGHT and downright BATTERED an on-form Man City side who of late has been mean defensively and scoring at will, the general media put it down more to Man City being "out of sorts", as opposed to our superiority.
Now this has fucking wound me up big time. Do these people not have a knowledge of the game? Do they not realise that we actually have a very good squad who on their day is more than a match for ANY team, never mind that bunch of stuck up bell ends? It was the same last week when we played Arsenal — rather than Everton being good, Arsenal were "awful", apparently!
Again I reiterate, Everton were absolutely superb on Saturday, but rather than emphasise this fact, the media try and twist things around and say City were below par.
I find this disgusting and yet again very demeaning of our great club. Give us some fucking credit for once, hey.
John Nelson, Posted 19/01/2010 at 06:20:26
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For a start... suggesting Man City didn’t get a kick after the first 15 minutes is absolute codswallop. I think comments like this belong squarely in the myopic category with the rest of Mr Tunstead's suggestions this week 1 namely that those who didn’t criticise us when we were playing badly are somehow vindicated and have the right to gloat — and that those who did criticise had no right to, and are somehow proven wrong. You, my friend, could not be more wrong.
Re: Man City — We were superb and were commendably able to step up our game when we needed to... but they also played very well at times with some very nice passing football..
In fact I thought it was a very entertaining game that was more ’end to end’ than one-sided.... although we did shade the game in terms of attacking threat.
Secondly, I don’t know what papers the author of the article has been reading, but I’ve read nothing but praise for us all over the press... Perhaps the author is reading regurgitated tabloid crap, rather than the opinions of journalists who actually watched the game...
Thirdly, whatever you think of our performance against Arsenal, it was obvious that they did not play to their usual standards. It could be argued this is because we did not let them... but it was also apparent to anyone who watched the game that they were making a lot of unforced errors, which is not their usual MO. Criticisms of Arsenal, are not criticisms of us, they are simply criticisms of them.
In short, this conspiracy about the media being anti-Everton or pro-big four/five is getting particularly tiresome...
If you don’t like what the News of the World says about us, then don’t read it — better still, don’t buy it — your life will be better for it.
And if you really put so much faith in what these people write, rather than your own opinions — to the point that you get as angry as above — then I’m afraid the problems are much deeper.
Re: Man City — We were superb and were commendably able to step up our game when we needed to... but they also played very well at times with some very nice passing football..
In fact I thought it was a very entertaining game that was more ’end to end’ than one-sided.... although we did shade the game in terms of attacking threat.
Secondly, I don’t know what papers the author of the article has been reading, but I’ve read nothing but praise for us all over the press... Perhaps the author is reading regurgitated tabloid crap, rather than the opinions of journalists who actually watched the game...
Thirdly, whatever you think of our performance against Arsenal, it was obvious that they did not play to their usual standards. It could be argued this is because we did not let them... but it was also apparent to anyone who watched the game that they were making a lot of unforced errors, which is not their usual MO. Criticisms of Arsenal, are not criticisms of us, they are simply criticisms of them.
In short, this conspiracy about the media being anti-Everton or pro-big four/five is getting particularly tiresome...
If you don’t like what the News of the World says about us, then don’t read it — better still, don’t buy it — your life will be better for it.
And if you really put so much faith in what these people write, rather than your own opinions — to the point that you get as angry as above — then I’m afraid the problems are much deeper.
I’m probably going to sound like some snobby tosspot here, John, but I reckon you’re reading the wrong papers. I read all of Saturday’s match reports on both Sunday and Monday (but broadsheets only, I stopped bothering with tabloid pish years ago), and found nothing but effusive praise for Everton; to the point where I felt strongly that the scribes responsible were as happy as us fans at our humbling of horrible, parvenu City (used to quite like them - funny).
Even Alan Shearer described our performance as "sensational, like the Everton of old" on MotD. Sometimes our us v the world, siege mentality just comes across as whingeing.
We ’shaded the game’!!! What match were you watching? We comprehensively beat a very good City side by outperforming in every area of the field. A scoreline of 4-0 would not have flattered us. The performance last week against an in-form Arsenal was equally impressive.
I don’t give a toss what so called pundits, who probably have not watched the game, say about our performance but when our own supporters denigrate excellent displays, I take issue.
I don’t give a toss what so called pundits, who probably have not watched the game, say about our performance but when our own supporters denigrate excellent displays, I take issue.
John,
I understand the point you are making. From my observations it comes from comentators and press building up to and then expecting a 'Man City does a Chelsea' type story.
ESPN was 100% all about Man City to an extent it is even worse than you have stated — they had written their preparatory notes, had their one liners well rehearsed, and none of it came off. On the other hand, the BBC report on their website was all Everton superiority, which, if you read it, John, would give you a nice warm feeling inside.
Other pundits were very complimentary and I think they will all be waiting for Everton's next good resutl to use their well polished "Moyes's management skills" and "Everton stability" etc etc.
I also agree more with Ian than Ciaran — Man City hardly had any attempts from the 15th minute onwards — may be a kick or two.
Looking forward both media and other teams will show a lot more respect to EFC in the coming weeks. I actually see a lot more to come as sides may well hold back half a yard on our midfield and give up more space, ground and momentum to us.
I predict a hat-trick for Saha on its way...
I understand the point you are making. From my observations it comes from comentators and press building up to and then expecting a 'Man City does a Chelsea' type story.
ESPN was 100% all about Man City to an extent it is even worse than you have stated — they had written their preparatory notes, had their one liners well rehearsed, and none of it came off. On the other hand, the BBC report on their website was all Everton superiority, which, if you read it, John, would give you a nice warm feeling inside.
Other pundits were very complimentary and I think they will all be waiting for Everton's next good resutl to use their well polished "Moyes's management skills" and "Everton stability" etc etc.
I also agree more with Ian than Ciaran — Man City hardly had any attempts from the 15th minute onwards — may be a kick or two.
Looking forward both media and other teams will show a lot more respect to EFC in the coming weeks. I actually see a lot more to come as sides may well hold back half a yard on our midfield and give up more space, ground and momentum to us.
I predict a hat-trick for Saha on its way...
The reviews I read were The Times — Sunday and Monday.
From memory Sunday Times gave us a decent review but probably equal least area / wordcount / smallest photo etc of any of the Prem games which winds the hell out of me. Benefit of the doubt this is probably pre-decided before the games kick off so journo’s know how much copy they need to get back to the press room.
Monday's Times — full page, couldn’t praise us enough, photo of Saha, great.
MotD — to be fair, they lauded us... didn’t they? You could see how much Hansen and Shearer enjoyed and appreciated it as a performance. I have major issues with the "and for our final match we go over to Goodison Park", by which time I’m long gone snoring on the settee, but I thought they did fine by us on Saturday.
So... my issue is they were pretty spot on after the game, its just that we seem to have to work that extra bit harder to muscle in on the coverage that is handed on a plate to the Sky 4, City and Spurs..
So...
From memory Sunday Times gave us a decent review but probably equal least area / wordcount / smallest photo etc of any of the Prem games which winds the hell out of me. Benefit of the doubt this is probably pre-decided before the games kick off so journo’s know how much copy they need to get back to the press room.
Monday's Times — full page, couldn’t praise us enough, photo of Saha, great.
MotD — to be fair, they lauded us... didn’t they? You could see how much Hansen and Shearer enjoyed and appreciated it as a performance. I have major issues with the "and for our final match we go over to Goodison Park", by which time I’m long gone snoring on the settee, but I thought they did fine by us on Saturday.
So... my issue is they were pretty spot on after the game, its just that we seem to have to work that extra bit harder to muscle in on the coverage that is handed on a plate to the Sky 4, City and Spurs..
So...
Ciaran, whether what you say is right, wrong, credible or incredible, you undermine everything you say by coming across as a self-righteous, lecturing twit who has no respect for anybody’s opinion but your own.
I happen to disagree with Ian too on some points. For instance, I would have inserted the word ’meaningful’ before ’kick’ (they never made a real chance after the first ten minutes). I would also have suggested that only a majority of the media are biased towards the top four. (One journalist on Sunday wrote an article that took up most of two pages expressing his concern that Rafa’s incompetence and thereby Liverpool’s decline, was upsetting the Premier League ’Power Base’!!!)
Your view of the world is no more infallible than anybody else’s, Ciaran, and the sooner you realize that, the better it will be for you. It is not Ian who has a deep problem and I suggest you take a look in the mirror before you diagnose such in others.
I happen to disagree with Ian too on some points. For instance, I would have inserted the word ’meaningful’ before ’kick’ (they never made a real chance after the first ten minutes). I would also have suggested that only a majority of the media are biased towards the top four. (One journalist on Sunday wrote an article that took up most of two pages expressing his concern that Rafa’s incompetence and thereby Liverpool’s decline, was upsetting the Premier League ’Power Base’!!!)
Your view of the world is no more infallible than anybody else’s, Ciaran, and the sooner you realize that, the better it will be for you. It is not Ian who has a deep problem and I suggest you take a look in the mirror before you diagnose such in others.
Age old problem: when one team played well, is it because of their own players or that the opposition didn’t turn up?
I think on Saturday it was a bit of both.
Dave! What have you gone and done that for!?!?
That's me bored for the afternoon now then...
Ding! Ding! Ding! — seconds out....
That's me bored for the afternoon now then...
Ding! Ding! Ding! — seconds out....
I think John that you are unhappy because you feel we aren’t getting the credit for making teams like Citeh and Arse look poor... But, if you cast your mind back to Manure v Barca, it was said Manure had an off day, so it happens to everybody. Also, bear in mind Chelski put 7 past Sunderland on the same day, which diverted attention from our result.
Friends who support many different teams have either spoken to me or sent messages saying what a great display we gave. I watched the game and in truth I was nervous about Citeh scoring a goal then getting back into it and coming away with a draw so we must have let them have a bit of the ball.
Ciaran — bit harsh on Ian, I can only summise that the stick you get, sometimes not always unfairly imo, is starting to rankle you which as you suggest could mean the problems run deeper.
The way City played was disgraceful, although we played well the way their players behaved, moaning at each other... Bellamy played shite and so did Teves. We played well but City were absolutely shite.
Mike Green, maybe your annoyance at the Sunday Times was misplaced, the 5:30 Saturday game gives them the least time to prepare an article, so maybe it always gets the smallest coverage...
Ciaran, you had taken to sounding a lot more reasonable lately but you seem to be back to your old tricks again, certainly enough to annoy Dave Roberts.
Oh and talk about a straw man (with a bit of emotive language thrown in): "...this week 1 namely that those who didn’t criticise us when we were playing badly are somehow vindicated and have the right to gloat — and that those who did criticise had no right to, and are somehow proven wrong".
Certainly not the way I would have put it, but I must admit it feels pretty good to have been one of the people trying to back the manager and the club through the tough times.
Ciaran, you had taken to sounding a lot more reasonable lately but you seem to be back to your old tricks again, certainly enough to annoy Dave Roberts.
Oh and talk about a straw man (with a bit of emotive language thrown in): "...this week 1 namely that those who didn’t criticise us when we were playing badly are somehow vindicated and have the right to gloat — and that those who did criticise had no right to, and are somehow proven wrong".
Certainly not the way I would have put it, but I must admit it feels pretty good to have been one of the people trying to back the manager and the club through the tough times.
It DOES rankle that — after our excellent record of top 4, 5 or 6 finishes in the last few years — suddenly this season, all the pundits are banging on about how Spurs, City and Villa could be about to disrupt the Sky 4 hegemony, no question.
BUT! to expect the same media coverage as Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U, and yes, I’ll say it, our unlovely cousins from across the park receive, is, well, just daft lads.
Yes, WE know we’re by far the greatest team the world has ever seen, but we’ve won fuck all for 15 years. We need to be wary of lapsing into Toon-esque gob-shitery.
We’re playing great stuff, just enjoy it.
Nick Lewis, agreed I’d also say the table doesn’t lie and ALL those aforementioned teams are ahead of us... for now.
Dave,
Your need to get personal defeats your point in a wholly hypocritical fashion more than I ever could.
Consider yourself lectured.
Your need to get personal defeats your point in a wholly hypocritical fashion more than I ever could.
Consider yourself lectured.
"Ciaran, you had taken to sounding a lot more reasonable lately but you seem to be back to your old tricks again, certainly enough to annoy Dave Roberts"
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Yes, the same Mr Roberts who goes out of his way to get personal and then lectures me about ..er.... giving lectures..
I think he called me a liberal last week...I’ll file his opinion under..couldn’t give a flyin’ ......
The point being is that anybody who gets annoyed about a 2 bit plagiarised match report in teh sunday scumbag - really should get a life.
As for your point - there is no straw man..I an has been constantly beating that drum since Sunday. It’s a nonsensical approach...they were criticised when they were crap they get applauded when they’re good.
It not some qualification of greatness that certain people didn’t quibble when we were shite - That’s the straw man in this whole thing....it just means they were not angry enough to voice their criticisms..
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Yes, the same Mr Roberts who goes out of his way to get personal and then lectures me about ..er.... giving lectures..
I think he called me a liberal last week...I’ll file his opinion under..couldn’t give a flyin’ ......
The point being is that anybody who gets annoyed about a 2 bit plagiarised match report in teh sunday scumbag - really should get a life.
As for your point - there is no straw man..I an has been constantly beating that drum since Sunday. It’s a nonsensical approach...they were criticised when they were crap they get applauded when they’re good.
It not some qualification of greatness that certain people didn’t quibble when we were shite - That’s the straw man in this whole thing....it just means they were not angry enough to voice their criticisms..
Ciaran, Not entirely true — people are entitled to behave as they wish.
Just because some choose to stick thorugh thick and thin and give unconditonal support for the team is their choice — and not something to be denegrated.
In some quarters it’d be described as loyalty — a perfectly laudable trait.
You may now cut and paste part of the above, take it out of context and play silly buggers.
Just because some choose to stick thorugh thick and thin and give unconditonal support for the team is their choice — and not something to be denegrated.
In some quarters it’d be described as loyalty — a perfectly laudable trait.
You may now cut and paste part of the above, take it out of context and play silly buggers.
Does this support for people ’behaving as they wish’ - extend to those who choose to call it as they see it?
And if so, why are you defending the the criticism of those who behave in this way?
You may now avoid the question, having realised your inconsistent position.
And if so, why are you defending the the criticism of those who behave in this way?
You may now avoid the question, having realised your inconsistent position.
Fuck em. Those who don't understand dont matter! COYB
Ciarán
You seem, to me at least, to take a completely dispassionate perspective, that’s laudable in most fields, but the very essence of supporting a football team, and especially supporting Everton, requires passion, what most contributors on this site display. This may tint their point of view somewhat, but is as a direct result of their passionate support.
If you want to give totally unbiased reviews of performances from Everton, don’t be surprised at the reaction you receive.
You seem, to me at least, to take a completely dispassionate perspective, that’s laudable in most fields, but the very essence of supporting a football team, and especially supporting Everton, requires passion, what most contributors on this site display. This may tint their point of view somewhat, but is as a direct result of their passionate support.
If you want to give totally unbiased reviews of performances from Everton, don’t be surprised at the reaction you receive.
Ciaran, Of course I support the right for people to call it as they see it.
You’ll have to explain the second sentence in proper English for me to answer it though, I think you may have run rings around yourself on that one.
You’ll have to explain the second sentence in proper English for me to answer it though, I think you may have run rings around yourself on that one.
I think Everton’s win against Man City generally got a lot of praise, but for reasons that had very little to do with Everton and more to do with this hypocritical and very short-term snobbery that the media feel toward Man City as Nouveau Riche (It only takes a couple of seasons before they forget all this of course and purr over the "class" of Chelsea).
The particular form and reasons for the animus against Man City are pretty ugly: hauteur mixed with anti-Arab xenophobia. Not that I don’t think there are really legitimate reasons to hate Man City and their fans: The erosive influence of silly money on the league as a truly regional and national pastime (ie a game where someone from Wigan might actually see his team win something some day) and the obnoxious attitude of the club and its fans, whose very short memories and whose superior attitude to another team that has had to play in the shadow of a money-spewing monster for years is breathtaking (just read the fuckers on bluemoon talking about Everton as a small club who are pathetic for cheering on their sad loser side, etc, etc).
But I wonder if the generally inaccurate (hoofball journeymen), negative (hoofball journeymen), and nugatory coverage of Everton by the media does have material effects on our ability to attract revenue and players.
I teach in LA and students here just CANNOT understand why I would support Everton. It's like I have some unfortunate disease. The media coverage seems to underscore this idea that the league is about 5 or 6 glamour teams and the rest of the league are just mirrors that reflect their glory or their blemishes. Maybe getting Donovan will help.
John N — whilst you might overstate it only slightly, I totally endorse your position. And don’t be phased by TW’s Head of Contrariness and Psycho-Analyst in Residence. The facts support you, rather than the sweeping rot of Ciaran.
For example, in yesterday’s Independent (my main newspaper for over 20 years), their reporter Ian Whittell produced what is possibly the worst and most irrelevant match report in the history of match reports. I was so surprised & disappointed that I wrote to the Indy’s Sports Editor (never done that before). The report in question contained 11 paragraphs, 9 fair sized ones and the last two of just 3 lines each. Everton were not part of the story until the 10th paragraph, and then only fleetingly.
To their credit, Christan Broughton, Sports Editor of the Independent wrote back quickly and both apologised and agreed with me. He also said the point had been made firmly to all match reporters.
It was shocking journalism, lazy, misguided and disrespectful. The whole thrust of the match report was Mancini and Robinho. Absolute nonsense. It was encouraging that they agreed.
Generally, I don’t give a toss what the press say. I was just very surprised that one of the (for us) good guys got very lazy. Man City deserve media attention as appropriate. But so do Everton, and on this occasion it wasn’t as universally forthcoming as some on here mistakenly suggest it was, nor as it was deserved.
As for how well we played/they played, there is a broad consensus that Everton, after the first 15 mins, outplayed & outfought City emphatically. We controlled the game and 4 or 5 nil would not have flattered us.
I think you called it right John, if perhaps a tadge emotively.
For example, in yesterday’s Independent (my main newspaper for over 20 years), their reporter Ian Whittell produced what is possibly the worst and most irrelevant match report in the history of match reports. I was so surprised & disappointed that I wrote to the Indy’s Sports Editor (never done that before). The report in question contained 11 paragraphs, 9 fair sized ones and the last two of just 3 lines each. Everton were not part of the story until the 10th paragraph, and then only fleetingly.
To their credit, Christan Broughton, Sports Editor of the Independent wrote back quickly and both apologised and agreed with me. He also said the point had been made firmly to all match reporters.
It was shocking journalism, lazy, misguided and disrespectful. The whole thrust of the match report was Mancini and Robinho. Absolute nonsense. It was encouraging that they agreed.
Generally, I don’t give a toss what the press say. I was just very surprised that one of the (for us) good guys got very lazy. Man City deserve media attention as appropriate. But so do Everton, and on this occasion it wasn’t as universally forthcoming as some on here mistakenly suggest it was, nor as it was deserved.
As for how well we played/they played, there is a broad consensus that Everton, after the first 15 mins, outplayed & outfought City emphatically. We controlled the game and 4 or 5 nil would not have flattered us.
I think you called it right John, if perhaps a tadge emotively.
Haha, the big guns are in at last...
Are you looking to make a career out of trying to prove me wrong Mr Kirwin...?
I’d advise you to pick something you can actually prove before getting all smug. However, I do like your use of the line "with the support of the facts" (one story in the Indo) - very amusing. I suppose your grasp of "the broad consensus" is equally as factual. Classic Kirwin.
ps: Still looking rid of Moyes?
Are you looking to make a career out of trying to prove me wrong Mr Kirwin...?
I’d advise you to pick something you can actually prove before getting all smug. However, I do like your use of the line "with the support of the facts" (one story in the Indo) - very amusing. I suppose your grasp of "the broad consensus" is equally as factual. Classic Kirwin.
ps: Still looking rid of Moyes?
Mike Green,
It’s a pretty straighforward sentence.... it’s no suprise you avoided it though — as I predicted.
It’s a pretty straighforward sentence.... it’s no suprise you avoided it though — as I predicted.
Ciaran, still looking rid of Saha?
Can I parse the question into three parts:
1. Was the reporting on the Man City game generally poor?
2. In general, do we get poorly represented in the media?
3. If "yes" to the third question, is the inaccurate, negative, and nugatory coverage of Everton by the media does have material effects on our ability to attract revenue and players?
I only care about media coverage to the extent that impacts our ability to get and retain players.
Also, while I think there is a legitimate discussion to be had about how we all address each other on this site, I do get concerned that it occasionally distracts from substantive discussions of the club.
1. Was the reporting on the Man City game generally poor?
2. In general, do we get poorly represented in the media?
3. If "yes" to the third question, is the inaccurate, negative, and nugatory coverage of Everton by the media does have material effects on our ability to attract revenue and players?
I only care about media coverage to the extent that impacts our ability to get and retain players.
Also, while I think there is a legitimate discussion to be had about how we all address each other on this site, I do get concerned that it occasionally distracts from substantive discussions of the club.
Oops, sorry for typos:
3. If "yes" to the second question, does the inaccurate, negative, and nugatory coverage...have material effects on our ability to attract revenue and players?
I only care about media coverage to the extent that it impacts our ability to get and retain players
I’m sure there are others, but they jumped out on rereading
3. If "yes" to the second question, does the inaccurate, negative, and nugatory coverage...have material effects on our ability to attract revenue and players?
I only care about media coverage to the extent that it impacts our ability to get and retain players
I’m sure there are others, but they jumped out on rereading
No Bob, not in the slightest... He’s proved he can stay fit... so I’m happy enough to eat humble pie on that.
Ciaran, you’ve spoilt it now - I was expecting a reaction ;-)
To be fair, hindsight is a wonderful thing, and £8m for him in the summer was tempting - I just hope that the club realise that money in the bank doesn’t win matches, players do, when it comes to Fellaini, Pienaar et al...
To be fair, hindsight is a wonderful thing, and £8m for him in the summer was tempting - I just hope that the club realise that money in the bank doesn’t win matches, players do, when it comes to Fellaini, Pienaar et al...
Sorry I dissappointed you, Bob...
Ciaran, as a regular contributor (if not columnist) to this site, you would not get the reaction you do if you were a little less sneering and condescending of other people's viewpoints and opinions.
Unfortunately, you come across as someone who sees themselves as ’intellectually superior’ to any other contributor to this site.
Unfortunately, you come across as someone who sees themselves as ’intellectually superior’ to any other contributor to this site.
Haha, brilliant Ciarán! I love it when you get all sarcastic and pedantic. You're not stupid, I think you know what I meant when I said they didn’t get a kick after 15 mins. If not then I just have a different opinion to you as I thought they controled the game for the first 15 although they didn’t look like hurting us, then we dominated the rest and never even got out of 4th gear. Anyway I can see your in one of those moods especially after being bullied on the article above about Fellaini’s true position so I’ll let this one go.
Ciaran - your first post above is right on the money. I only read praise for Everton this time.
John Nelson - often we are overlooked by the media. The coverage of our away draw with Aston Villa last Easter was appalling - concentrating on Fellaini’s elbows as opposed to a truly fantastic flowing move that ended in a superb goal.
But this time we got the praise we deserved. But we need to do it regularly to change the press and public’s perception. Perception always lags reality.
John Nelson - often we are overlooked by the media. The coverage of our away draw with Aston Villa last Easter was appalling - concentrating on Fellaini’s elbows as opposed to a truly fantastic flowing move that ended in a superb goal.
But this time we got the praise we deserved. But we need to do it regularly to change the press and public’s perception. Perception always lags reality.
No Ciaran - I’ve not "avoided" the question.
It makes no sense. So I’m not even going to attempt to answer it until it does. I’m also giving you the benefit of the doubt to put it to me correctly rather than second guess what you are really trying to say.
You’ve clearly read it back and realised this and seeing you cant even explain it yourself have come back with some kind of schoolyard "told you so, told you so" — sorry mate, but if you want a debate, it’d serve you well to read Alan KIrwins original post back to see how a logical, reasoned, mature point is made and then come back to me.
If you cant — or you’ve forgotten what point you were originally trying to make... or simply just dont think I’m worth the time — then dont worry about it.
For the record I thought Man City were possibly the better side in the first 10 minutes — even to the extent that I sent a text to my cousin to this effect at about that time. However, there was a watershed moment soon after when we were breaking down the right when it dawned on me that we had started to take a bit of a stranglehold on the game, which in my opinion we never really released. City showed they can be a slick, quick, one-touch passing side — and I was nervous throughout of them getting one back, which could have turned the game — but our performance completely nullified my fears.
I’d give us 8.5 out of 10 — my only real concern that we didn't score in open play.
It makes no sense. So I’m not even going to attempt to answer it until it does. I’m also giving you the benefit of the doubt to put it to me correctly rather than second guess what you are really trying to say.
You’ve clearly read it back and realised this and seeing you cant even explain it yourself have come back with some kind of schoolyard "told you so, told you so" — sorry mate, but if you want a debate, it’d serve you well to read Alan KIrwins original post back to see how a logical, reasoned, mature point is made and then come back to me.
If you cant — or you’ve forgotten what point you were originally trying to make... or simply just dont think I’m worth the time — then dont worry about it.
For the record I thought Man City were possibly the better side in the first 10 minutes — even to the extent that I sent a text to my cousin to this effect at about that time. However, there was a watershed moment soon after when we were breaking down the right when it dawned on me that we had started to take a bit of a stranglehold on the game, which in my opinion we never really released. City showed they can be a slick, quick, one-touch passing side — and I was nervous throughout of them getting one back, which could have turned the game — but our performance completely nullified my fears.
I’d give us 8.5 out of 10 — my only real concern that we didn't score in open play.
Ciaran
For a start, I don’t know what match reports you have been reading, because to me the general consensus was that yes they gave us credit for playing well; however, rather than us being a better team than Man City, it was because they had an "off day".
Also, having been going the game for the past 10 years, I think I can formulate my own opinion of how we play, therefore I do NOT rely on match reports like you suggest (it’s blatantly obvious that you do however, judging on your posts).
I couldn’t really give a flying fuck about what journalists write about us; however, this week really touched a nerve with me as, regardless of us being superb (no ifs, buts or maybes about Man City now, we were just BETTER than them), the media still cannot accept that the so-called top 4/5 cannot get beat without being outplayed.
For a start, I don’t know what match reports you have been reading, because to me the general consensus was that yes they gave us credit for playing well; however, rather than us being a better team than Man City, it was because they had an "off day".
Also, having been going the game for the past 10 years, I think I can formulate my own opinion of how we play, therefore I do NOT rely on match reports like you suggest (it’s blatantly obvious that you do however, judging on your posts).
I couldn’t really give a flying fuck about what journalists write about us; however, this week really touched a nerve with me as, regardless of us being superb (no ifs, buts or maybes about Man City now, we were just BETTER than them), the media still cannot accept that the so-called top 4/5 cannot get beat without being outplayed.
John, Mike et al - I sugest the best medecine for dealing with a Ciaran McGlone is too totally - and I mean totally - ignore his anal interjections (not what it may seem).
Ciaran has clearly stopped taken the medication he was on for a wee while and which moderated his arse achingly, hair splittingly, utterly tedious dancing on a pin observations. He is a provacateur guys, no more. He appears to spend his days at thesaurus.com and psychology-for-beginners.com, regurgitating new words into an arena where they don’t particularly belong.
Ciaran is the type of chap (assuming he is a chap) who will not only start a fight in an empty room, but make it his mission to do so. If you keep that in mind, it will make total disregard of his "thoughts" easier to accomplish.
And Ciaran, one day you’ll cut yourself with your own words. Get more medicine quickly and return to normal commenting and debating, rather than trying to trip people up or splitting more hairs than a crap 1970s' hairdresser. The default language for this site is English, not psycho-pseudo-gobble.
Ciaran has clearly stopped taken the medication he was on for a wee while and which moderated his arse achingly, hair splittingly, utterly tedious dancing on a pin observations. He is a provacateur guys, no more. He appears to spend his days at thesaurus.com and psychology-for-beginners.com, regurgitating new words into an arena where they don’t particularly belong.
Ciaran is the type of chap (assuming he is a chap) who will not only start a fight in an empty room, but make it his mission to do so. If you keep that in mind, it will make total disregard of his "thoughts" easier to accomplish.
And Ciaran, one day you’ll cut yourself with your own words. Get more medicine quickly and return to normal commenting and debating, rather than trying to trip people up or splitting more hairs than a crap 1970s' hairdresser. The default language for this site is English, not psycho-pseudo-gobble.
Anyway, back to the game.
Everton did not make City look bad. City looked dangerous. It appeared to me that if Everton took their foot off the gas then they would be punished.
Everton stayed on top of their game and won a match that was hard fought. Have no doubt it was hard fought and enjoy the fact that our effort and skill prevailed. City were not allowed to win, but they would have if we had given them the chance.
Great performance.
Everton did not make City look bad. City looked dangerous. It appeared to me that if Everton took their foot off the gas then they would be punished.
Everton stayed on top of their game and won a match that was hard fought. Have no doubt it was hard fought and enjoy the fact that our effort and skill prevailed. City were not allowed to win, but they would have if we had given them the chance.
Great performance.
Spot on Rob - thats pretty much how I saw it too.
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