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Pienaar for Bayern Munich?
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I just read this online. Please, please tell me this could not be? I doubt Stevie would go back to the league that almost destroyed his career.
David Moyes needs to answer some questions. Why has Pienaar signed a new contact yet? According to what I've read Pienaar will need to take a pay cut if he extends his Toffee contract, why?
Come on guys, what's your take on this one?
Ricardo Humphries, Posted 27/01/2010 at 01:53:05
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I wouldn’t doubt that he’ll move to a club that could match his ambitions.
Lyndon, is that annother reason not to vote Labour, or is it a Government conspiracy against Everton. Just as I had always suspected — all of Whitehall are Kopites.
But there is no need to speculate. I try to think that all players at Everton are here for the love of the club. Not for the love of themselves. They put the club above all. No contract in the world would tempt them away.
I do accept when fringe players leave in order to play first team football or if the transfer benefits both parties. But when good first team players leave and that don’t benefit the club, then they are just plain assholes.
Playing for this club is an honour and a privilege. They earn enough money here to be happy enough. Looking for other clubs, when playing for Everton, is like looking for other girls when you are married.
Pienaar has been a great servant to the club and if his transfer brings us £10 million to reinvest, as it will be his last contract year, why not?
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Just a thought, even though it’s pretty off topic =)... But, if these were playing together at their prime, they would surely be more dangerous than a team full of flair players.
I personally think that the best way to repay someone (Everton) who shows faith and belief in you, is by showing good old fashioned loyalty. In football (possibly the modern world) it seems to be to turn your back on those that give you a chance when the first signs of something better turns up.
Our club in its current financial situation is forced to bring in players on loan, out of contract, untried lower league punts or out of favour players who have lost their form.
As I understand it, Pienaar falls into the lost his way/form bracket. He showed huge potential early on in his career, had a large value move which heaped pressure on him. When he came to us, like so many players find, the pressure is somewhat lifted and he regained form, confidence and a value.
Lescott moved on, Cahill and Arteta are (I feel) replaying with loyalty as they recognise the belief shown in them and what it means to the fans to wear the shirt.
I think more money and a chance of CL football top-trumps what we can offer so it boils down to the type of character he is? or what we can recoup?
In short, I guess I see us as a kind of “rehab club”.
I would love to have heard that conversation as both appear to be engineering a move from the club who dragged them from oblivion... fuck them, I say. I saw Saha straight down the tunnel when subbed on Saturday; no matter how good he can be, players like him mean nothing to me.
I don’t want to lose Pienaar, but that’s football. But I think the 50% tax bracket could be killer of the prem with teams already drowing in debt, how many agents will be banging on the doors for a substantial rise in player’s wages, and do you think that agents or players give a toss how their wage demands impact on a club?
The tax laws are fairly complicated but, as a general standard, anyone who is physically present in the UK for more than 183 days in the year is deemed to be a UK resident and therefore taxed as such.
A potential albeit, silly way around it would be for the club to relocate Finch Farm to say Spain and just jet players in for matches.
Needless to say, this is going to have an impact on UK clubs' ability to attract the best players, but if that means less foreign players and more development of young domestic players, is it such a bad thing?
I don’t however believe all the speculation and think Peanuts will stay with us; he’s a great player and knows how the club and fans feel about him.
I’d hate to see Pienaar go but you have to face reality. If a player places demands on a club that it cannot afford or is at odds with its wage structure, then if no compromise can be agreed, there is only one solution.
Having said that, we have no idea what Pienaar’s position is... therefore this discussion is purely speculative.
Either way, I have friends who do it, but they’re Aussies who are agency staff so maybe it's different.
Unlike Lescott, who left for a non CL team that had finished below us for years, Bayern are a huge club who play in the top tier of Europe normally, so, there’s a difference.
Now, if he’s not signing a contract which expires this summer, should Moyes sell now??
The Spanish top rate of tax is not 23% — it is 43%.
Secondly, Does anyone know Pienaar’s address so I can send him a food parcel...He must be starvin’ after having all his money stole by the tax man..
Thirdly, If it true that he’s after £100k, then he’s got an opinion of himself that I certainly don’t share... We all know what a £100k-a-week footballer plays like — he’s good, he’s not that good.
God is great — but only on a 40% tax rate.....
The UK rate was at 43% already (possibly even 46%(??)) but the tax rate was much lower in Spain. Because Alonso/Ronaldo etc etc signed 5 year deals before January 2010 they are only liable for 23% tax, but any Spanish based player who signs a new contract from this month will suffer a massive tax hike.
How does this effect Everton? It doesn’t yet, but a whole host of Spanish based players will be running their contracts down to minimise the amount of time they are taxed the higher amount, meaning that in the coming 2/3 years there will be a number of players available from Spain on pre-contracts/for nothing or for a nominal fee as they will all be letting their contracts run down - even of they are happy where they are.
I don’t think Pienaar is moving for money. 46% or 43% tax is not an earth-shattering difference. He is holding out because he is about to be among the highest profile players on the planet (star player of host nation in a world cup). If there was ever an ideal opportunity for him to be in the shop window for a mega-club like Real Madrid or Barcelona than this is it. If he leaves it will be for football reasons and we will get £12-15million after the world cup.
The problem of making him the highest paid player at the club could potentially piss off Arteta, Cahill, Jags, Howard, Felli, Nev. I also feel Pip would pay good money just to play football. I love him.
Of course, that doesn’t mean Bayern aren’t interested (though it sounds like paper nonsense to me) or that Peanuts wouldn’t be interested :)
By the way, I still think that Mike Riley looks like one of the mutants from "Wrong Turn 3".
Back to topic!
http://uk.soccerway.com/news/2010/January/27/pienaar-cools-bayern-link/?
I think his agent (and, for all I know, Pienaar himself) seem to think they are in a bit of ’strong’ bargaining position.
There well may be others, but Pienaar is the only one we know about that can tick a lot of the boxes outlines below. In no particular order;
Contracts, as we have seen, are sometimes not worth the papar they are written on.
Pienaar’s is running out, not quite Bosman stage but on the downward slope.
He, Pienaar is the man of the moment, form-wise.
The potential for a good showcase at the World Cup.
Plus the added complication of the tax thing.
We are not awash with money to basically pay his tax for him AND give him a rise in real terms.
Agents are the cause of all evil
Going, going...???
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No idea if it's true or whether there's anything to similarly uncorroborated reports that he's holding out for £100K either. And I suspect it's Mr Kenwright who would need to answer your questions because Moyes must know Pienaar's value to his team.