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Big game chokers?

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Now yesterday was fantastic. Couldn't have asked for much more, other than perhaps a few more goals (that we probably should've had). But, superb as it was, it raised again the question of inconsistency. An inconsistency that has ruined this season.

Thinking about it, yesterday, it became apparent to me that only when expectations have diminished do we really seem to to be able to consistently play our best football.

Often this happens during a match. Once we are down and have nothing to lose. Expectations of a win seem far off... THEN we start to play. Witness the second halves away at Hull and Tottenham for example.

Equally, some of the highlights this season have come against teams where, if we're honest, we may have expected nothing. Away to Arsenal, home to Man U and Chelsea. These are games again in which the team and Moyes may think they have nothing to lose, therefore no pressure.

Yesterday saw the beginning of a run of games in which, in terms of the grand scheme of things, there is little to play for. Yes, there is league position and an outside chance of Europe but realistically the pressure is off and voila... 5-1.

Sadly often in the BIG games, where expectations have been high and positive results realistically hoped for, we have gone missing. The derbies and Sporting away being the most painful evidence.

Now I am a big fan of Moyes and this Everton team. I'm not looking to knock them. I just think finding the key to this inconsistency is vital. To me, the problem does seem to be a sort of mental weakness... an inability to bring the same strengths to the pressure situations.

I'm sure I am oversimplifying it and I'm sure there are BIG games we have played well in (our FA Cup run last season, for example) but it does seem to me that, in order to progress, the boys must get used to playing to the highs standards they have set themselves in all the toughest of games. Then next season could be very exciting indeed.

On a side note, I read today that Wigan are looking at Egypt's Ahmed Al-Muhammadi. This guy is rapid, plays right back and right wing, has been described as the Egyptian 'Ronaldo' with 40 caps already for a good Egypt team, is only 22 and probably available for £2m. Worth a dabble, I say.
Sam Hoare, Los Angeles, CA, USA     Posted 08/03/2010 at 17:21:28

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Gerry Quinn
1   Posted 08/03/2010 at 17:11:36

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Talking of Big Games, Sam, today put the icing on our cake.......the Wigan result sees us gain another 3 points on the spawn of the devil.

Summing up our current situation, I’d say.....
In Spite of the Shite,
In Sight of the Shite!

Let’s hope it continues and our nearest and dearest don’t even qualify for the Europa League next season - wouldn’t that be something else, eh?
Nick Entwistle
2   Posted 08/03/2010 at 17:19:17

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I really don’t understand this season over bullshit prevelent on these pages since the Spurs game.

10 games to go, 8 points off 4th and everything to play for.

Thankfully the TW readers are not in charge of team moral. Goodison seems to take a different view.
Ian Kearney
3   Posted 08/03/2010 at 17:37:09

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Prior to this run people’s problem was that we couldnt beat the best in the league, now it’s ’big games’, whatever they are.

I think there might be some sort of mental block regards the derby, how that awful shower have done the double on us is beyond me, but performances against City, away at Arsenal besides the games against the top two mean I dont completely agree with your theory.

I think had Fellaini played against Sporting or Spurs we would have fared better, the Hull game is the first game Arteta has dominated the midfield since his return, hopefully he will continue to do so for the remainder, the Villa game should be a good indicator.
Shaun Sparke
4   Posted 08/03/2010 at 18:11:56

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Nick, I couldn't agree with you more. There are 30 points still to play for. Win them all and that would give us 71 points which would probably be enough for champions league this year. I realise that it is highly unlikely that we will go on such a run, but there is still plenty to play for. Let's just keep winning and see where it takes us.
Sam Hoare
5   Posted 08/03/2010 at 18:34:35

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Nick- You’re right. And yes of course we should be playing for every point but surely you would admit that Europe at this point would be a huge bonus as opposed to a realistic expectation. As such the pressure is off...

Ian- by ’Big games’ i mean high pressure games. City, yes but games against man u arse and chelse were probably games where any points were a bonus, hence no pressure, hence good performances.
Rob Fox
6   Posted 08/03/2010 at 18:40:06

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Some good points about player availability, but the OP may have a point. Michael alluded to this recently and lay the blame squarely at the feet of David Moyes. Personally, I think if this ’brick wall’ does exist it is more complex than that.

Pip is a good captain and leader on the pitch, but what he isn’t able to do is be the driving force on the pitch, a Peter Reid type who by sheer will can grab a game by the scruff of the neck.

Felli and Heitinga have both showed glimpses of this and maybe that is final stage of our development - somebody who not only has the leadership of Neville but who has the physical capacity to be a real driving force when it really matters. Hopefully Felli and Heitinga can both become those players.
Andy Crooks
7   Posted 08/03/2010 at 18:59:04

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We have got a pretty soft run-in. Also, we take, rightly, any kind of European football seriously. One way or another, we will make the Europa League.
Keith Glazzard
8   Posted 08/03/2010 at 18:50:26

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Here’s one for you lads.

The next ten games are the most important in Moyes’ tenure. Survive is assured, but achieve? What? Its a mini-league now and we’re more or less at the bottom.

I am far from a defeatist - we will be in Europe next season, and may well top the Shite in the PL, but I actually believe that the first ten games of next season will be our most important for a long time.
Nick Entwistle
9   Posted 08/03/2010 at 19:37:22

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Europe a huge bonus as opposed to realistic expectation?

Neither really, we’re in competiton and you fight for what is possible. As I said everthing is to play for.

The question you pose is no more than a premature reflection on a season that has yet to be concluded.

What is it they say in Buddhism? Something like concentrate on the moment and the fruit of your labour will take care of itself?

Or indeed this... "No one who puts his hand to the plough and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."

Actually it all just means, take every game as it comes.
Adam Fenlon
10   Posted 08/03/2010 at 20:00:32

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If this theory was true we’d have a much better record against the Sky 4 than we do as we’re always the underdog against them - looks like another case of looking over the last few games and seeing a pattern that isn’t really there.

File it with the other disproved theories from the past five years or so like:
- Moyes’ team never have a positive goal difference;
- Everton can’t win consecutive games;
- Everton cant score more than twice in a game;
- One good season is always followed by a poor season; and
- Moyes can’t motivate his team for cup games.
Sam Hoare
11   Posted 08/03/2010 at 21:02:03

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Nick- buddhist theory aside, you must at least admit that there is less pressure on the team now than there would be if we were in 5th or 6th place. This post was not about about the premature demise of the season but about the inability of the team to deal with pressure matches.

Adam- This theory would apply to this season only...where we have a decent record against the big 4 (derbies excepted).
Dan Brierley
12   Posted 08/03/2010 at 22:42:56

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I agree with you Sam, we have now tasted victory over some of the more elevated teams recently. We have to make that the ’norm’ now, and raise our level of belief.

I don’t think it has that much to do with Moyes, but more down to the players themselves. If you play a team and contiually get beaten, it must put you in a position where you automatically expect defeat, regardless of how people try to motivate you. But now they have broken that barrier, lets hope they lose all fear of teams in this league.

That said though, our success will be dictated by who we have available come the start of next season. But Nick is right, its not quite over yet. We all have next season mulling in our minds, but lets put this one to bed first, and give it a right good go. We could suprise ourselves yet again...
Dave Wilson
13   Posted 09/03/2010 at 01:20:25

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The "See the stars " like finish is still on.

Dont worry about us, we’ll be fine, lets see how Spurs /Villa /City / Shite, cope with a fifth horse thundering up the outside to gatecrash their "four horse race"

We’re about to find out who the real chokers are
Paul Gladwell
14   Posted 09/03/2010 at 03:19:11

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To be fair, we have been consistent since November, what other team can match us since then? Not many.

It is going to be interesting now and the more games Villa and Spurs have to play will only help us and given their manager’s hatred of The Europa league who knows what is going to happen. It’s just a shame the shite have an easy run-in though.

Gavin Ramejkis
15   Posted 09/03/2010 at 03:21:30

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The inconsistency has been my main grudge, when you see Everton play like they did on Sunday you know they can really play, but I’ve also see the likes of the first halves against Hull and Spurs away and wondered what the hell happened.

I’ve said in the past we have no control over what other teams do and need to concentrate on our own results, if the others lose all the better but we must seek three points from every game.

As for the Egyptian right back, in my opinion he was their second best player only behind Zidan in the friendly against Engerland the other day and if he is available for £2m he has to be worth a punt.
Gavin Ramejkis
16   Posted 09/03/2010 at 05:46:04

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Today’s how about....... the RS lost to Wigan last night and now on 29 games played and 48 points we are on 28 games played and 41 points, if we win our game in hand we go within 4 points of them, an interesting run in as they still have to play Man U and Chelski.
Andrew Ellams
17   Posted 09/03/2010 at 06:17:56

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Everton are in a great place at the moment. We have seen ourselves over the last few years that when we are the team being chased then we are more prone to a wobble. The situation now is that no matter how good our results are between now and the end of the season, we need those above to slip up at least a couple of times each. The pressure is on them and all we can do is keep applying it,
Stephen Ryan
18   Posted 09/03/2010 at 07:05:38

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Sam, sensible post mate. It makes me cringe the way some of the idiots on this site start to predict silverware after we beat sub-standard teams like Hull. Its as if the Lisbon and Spurs games have been erased from their memories. Everton need to be much more consistent before we can even dream of challenging for the major trophies.
Shaun Sparke
19   Posted 09/03/2010 at 07:36:29

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Stephen, make your point by all means. But there is no need to start calling people idiots for being optimistic. Give me the realistic optimists over the morose doom merchants anytime. I know who I would sooner have a pint with.
Nick Entwistle
20   Posted 09/03/2010 at 08:53:47

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Sorry Sam, can’t go with you on this one. There was pressure early in February where midtable mediocrity was a real possibility. They came away from the month of death with victories against you know who.

To presume that they are now in an acceptable league position to end a halt to the critisisms and therefor releaving the pressure on the team, again I can’t agree.

4th is sill possible, 5th and 6th a obvious target. They’ll want more. More more more. I can imagine Neville making the team aware, if they weren’t already, that everything is to play for. And a lot to prove as well.

Dave Wilson
21   Posted 09/03/2010 at 08:53:08

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Stephen Ryan — These "idiots" who predicted silverware? Where are they?

Did you just make it up?
Nick Entwistle
22   Posted 09/03/2010 at 09:00:38

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Actually Sam, what I would say is that the teams who are able to cope with pressure as you desribe it (ie the teams who still manage to keep on winning), are those who challenge for the title.

The best of the rest have the pressure of keeping up to contend with, and due to their comparitive limitations will drop points. So if we were as consistant as you’d wish for, we would be title contenders.

So is this artical about pressure, or limitations in ability? And if I was being harsh, Moyes’ big game tactics?
John Pickles
23   Posted 10/03/2010 at 15:35:05

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I have been wondering the same thing considering the only two high pressure fixtures last month were Sporting & the Derby and they were the only two we were utter dross in.

The Brum match fits into the same category now if we want to move towards European football and hamper one of our rivals. Lets see if we turn up.
James Flynn
24   Posted 11/03/2010 at 15:11:52

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Consistency is the thing isn’t it? That’s where the Blues are at right now. To combine a couple of things others said in here, the next 20 games are the key to the future. I know I’m in just these lasts 2 months while most of you have be in with the Toffees all your life, but it seems the talent level is now the equal of any club in EPL. I say that cause that’s what I’ve seen. The collective toughness? The jury is out, given some of the poor performances inexplicably mixed in with some fantastic ones against top sides that were really trying their best.

That’s what the last 10 games this season and the first 10 next mean. Is the grit common to any top side in any sport going to come out and become routine for EFC? Really that’s not up to Moyes. The players on the pitch are the only ones who can do it. I’m looking forward to seeing how the rest of the season plays out. For sure, we have the talent. Looking for that game in-game out toughness and will.

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