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Is Mersyside Blue?
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As an Everton supporter growing up in Coventry, I have allways been curious about the red and blue divide accross Mersyside and which club have the majority of supporters in that region.
As a blue, I have held on to the belief that the city of Liverpool and the whole of Merseyside have a larger population of Evertonians than gobshites but this is probably a biased view and, as I don't live there, I really don't know.
I had a similar conversation with a friend of mine who was born and bred in Knowlsley and had moved down to Coventry to be with his girlfriend. The conversation began with the topic of Everton moving to Kirkby and, although as myself he did not like the idea, he did claim that Kirkby had a massive Everton following. Can anyone from Meryside answer these questions for me?
The usual answer is 50-50 but, as we are the originals, I like to think we still have more.
Richard Reeves, Posted 17/09/2010 at 12:47:56
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Last I heard 62.7% of footy fans in Liverpool were evertonians and 69.9% were in Kirby?
They're all Everton supporters, some just wear red.
Check the history
Check the history
My family: Dad,youngest daughter, niece and myself Blue. Dad's brother, his 3 sons and all children, grandchildren Blue.
Oldest daughter, oldest niece, Mum's brother and his 4 sons, children, grandchildren all Red.
My wife worked for British Gas and would often go into house to meaasure etc and one room would be Blue and one Red.
Season tickets:Blue - Daughter, 2 cousins and me.
Red - 1 cousin
Oldest daughter, oldest niece, Mum's brother and his 4 sons, children, grandchildren all Red.
My wife worked for British Gas and would often go into house to meaasure etc and one room would be Blue and one Red.
Season tickets:Blue - Daughter, 2 cousins and me.
Red - 1 cousin
My family: Dad,youngest daughter, niece and myself Blue. Dad's brother, his 3 sons and all children, grandchildren Blue.
Oldest daughter, oldest niece, Mum's brother and his 4 sons, children, grandchildren all Red.
My wife worked for British Gas and would often go into house to meaasure etc and one room would be Blue and one Red.
Season tickets:Blue - Daughter, 2 cousins and me.
Red - 1 cousin
Oldest daughter, oldest niece, Mum's brother and his 4 sons, children, grandchildren all Red.
My wife worked for British Gas and would often go into house to meaasure etc and one room would be Blue and one Red.
Season tickets:Blue - Daughter, 2 cousins and me.
Red - 1 cousin
My family: Dad,youngest daughter, niece and myself Blue. Dad's brother, his 3 sons and all children, grandchildren Blue.
Oldest daughter, oldest niece, Mum's brother and his 4 sons, children, grandchildren all Red.
My wife worked for British Gas and would often go into house to meaasure etc and one room would be Blue and one Red.
Season tickets:Blue - Daughter, 2 cousins and me.
Red - 1 cousin
Oldest daughter, oldest niece, Mum's brother and his 4 sons, children, grandchildren all Red.
My wife worked for British Gas and would often go into house to meaasure etc and one room would be Blue and one Red.
Season tickets:Blue - Daughter, 2 cousins and me.
Red - 1 cousin
I've lived and worked and schooled across Liverpool and if you asked everyone who they supported my estimate would be 75-25 Red. However, out of the fans that go the match then I would say 90-10 Blue.
I don't think we help our presence in the City by when skies are grey's insistence that it is uncool to wear replica clothing
I don't think we help our presence in the City by when skies are grey's insistence that it is uncool to wear replica clothing
I would say that there are more Evertonians from Liverpool and kirkby that actually GO to the games...Anybody can wear a shirt and say they support a club and watch them on TV etc..
Any Evertonians unfortunate enough to be in town when the RS are at home, will be aware of the multitude of foreigners, many unable to speak English wearing the RS shirt. These make up the majority of their attendance, whereas I would say the majority of ours are local.
Any Evertonians unfortunate enough to be in town when the RS are at home, will be aware of the multitude of foreigners, many unable to speak English wearing the RS shirt. These make up the majority of their attendance, whereas I would say the majority of ours are local.
Purely finger in the air but I would say up to the 1960's 75% of the City were blues but since their success in the 70's and becoming the media darlings I would say it's more like 65 % Red in the City.
From my humble observations depsite not living in Liverpool that long I'd say you can't really make any assertions to who dominates the city. Most Everton fans know far more passionate I'd say and well informed. The classic quote 1 Evertonian is worth 20 Liverpudlians what I'd apply to this debate. Everton fans watch every game and follow the fortunes of the club throughout the season. Liverpool have too many part time fans who only watch the big games. Everton fans possess a far greater knowledge about both Everton, Liverpool and football in general than Kopites. I general I'd say Everton fans are mostly from Liverpool or have some connection with Liverpool through family and freinds. Most Everton fans do not choose to support Everton they are chosen. Supporting Everton is a full time commitment.
I remember Leicester University conducted a survey about 5 year ago the results of which showed that 73% of Evertonians lived and worked within a 10 mile radius of Goodison Park. Liverpool (and M Utd) were both on 54%. Note: best supported club by people living SPECIFICALLY in a towns boundaries I think was Burnley who had some 13,000 fans out of the towns 90,000 population.
Supporting Everton makes your hair fall out - FACT.
There is probably slightly more Reds than Blues but it's always a good sight to see young lads with the Everton kit on......and a little sad because of all the heartache that they will have to endure supporting the Blues
One said problem is that a lot of young Blues became turncoats to the Reds when the fluked teh Champions League, my friend's cousin did it and even started trying to skit us for supporting Everton, obviously we no longer talk to him now.....!!
There is probably slightly more Reds than Blues but it's always a good sight to see young lads with the Everton kit on......and a little sad because of all the heartache that they will have to endure supporting the Blues
One said problem is that a lot of young Blues became turncoats to the Reds when the fluked teh Champions League, my friend's cousin did it and even started trying to skit us for supporting Everton, obviously we no longer talk to him now.....!!
Never underestimate the quantities of non-Liverpudlian glory supporters out there.
Growing up in Stockport in the late 80s/early 90s there were shitloads of Liverpool supporters in my school, they literally outnumbered the fans of any other side (I think partly cos Manure and Shitty were a bit crap back then) and not one of them was a bloody scouser. Some of them made vague claims about some gran from the Wirral but I never believed 'em.
Growing up in Stockport in the late 80s/early 90s there were shitloads of Liverpool supporters in my school, they literally outnumbered the fans of any other side (I think partly cos Manure and Shitty were a bit crap back then) and not one of them was a bloody scouser. Some of them made vague claims about some gran from the Wirral but I never believed 'em.
I'm not from Liverpool so can't really comment on Merseyside itself, although it would be hard to imagine Liverpool not having at least a 55%/45% advantage due to 20 years of success followed by 20 years of media fawning since.
My general observation though is that wherever in the world I go, I reckon that I see more Liverpool fans than any other club's wearing that red home shirt of theirs. This does not mean they have more fans than anybody, simply that they like wearing that shirt wherever they go.
Of course, some wear it to highly inappropriate places such as work, anywhere hot and end up dripping in sweat and stinking the place out in that nylon, to the pub when other teams are playing etc.
Generally if you see an Everton fan in replica shirts they look a bit more intelligent for some reason and this is usually borne out in conversation with a deep knowledge of the Club and football in general, whilst your average Liverpool fan in a red shirt seems to know very little about football and even their own club. Most have no idea that Everton played at Anfield or that until 1965 they had won very little indeed since the First World War.
My general observation though is that wherever in the world I go, I reckon that I see more Liverpool fans than any other club's wearing that red home shirt of theirs. This does not mean they have more fans than anybody, simply that they like wearing that shirt wherever they go.
Of course, some wear it to highly inappropriate places such as work, anywhere hot and end up dripping in sweat and stinking the place out in that nylon, to the pub when other teams are playing etc.
Generally if you see an Everton fan in replica shirts they look a bit more intelligent for some reason and this is usually borne out in conversation with a deep knowledge of the Club and football in general, whilst your average Liverpool fan in a red shirt seems to know very little about football and even their own club. Most have no idea that Everton played at Anfield or that until 1965 they had won very little indeed since the First World War.
Karl Masters, #14 ? I could not of put that better myself!!!
I'm from Ireland and most Liverpool fans I met know nothing about their club, history, or football in general. I remember one day I was in work (it was the day of the FA Cup derby when Gosling scored) and a guy came in with a big stupid Liverpool jacket and stupid Liverpool cap on; I said to him "Oh, I see you're a Liverpool fan, are you gona get to watch the game later?" and the arsehole looked at me with his stupid kopite face and said "Oh, who are we playing?"
I'm from Ireland and most Liverpool fans I met know nothing about their club, history, or football in general. I remember one day I was in work (it was the day of the FA Cup derby when Gosling scored) and a guy came in with a big stupid Liverpool jacket and stupid Liverpool cap on; I said to him "Oh, I see you're a Liverpool fan, are you gona get to watch the game later?" and the arsehole looked at me with his stupid kopite face and said "Oh, who are we playing?"
I didn't even respond... my point is they are not fans and the saying "One Evertonian is worth 10 RS" is very VERY true!!
The RS are worse down South. As some have already stated, they have no idea we used to play at Anfield or that we used to be bigger or who Bob Paisley is.
I remember once I was working with one who was giving it out that they would thrash someone in the prem that weekend and that Stevie G would "smash them up". The funny thing was that the loveable RS captain was and had been out with a well publicised injury. Maybe the moron meant Gerrard was going to "smash them up" down his local instead??
I remember once I was working with one who was giving it out that they would thrash someone in the prem that weekend and that Stevie G would "smash them up". The funny thing was that the loveable RS captain was and had been out with a well publicised injury. Maybe the moron meant Gerrard was going to "smash them up" down his local instead??
As Rafa might have said, "FACT - when the volcanic ash cloud stopped flights in Europe, LFC had a midweek match and the ground was half empty." This proves lots of their fans fly into the match and that they are the tourist attraction and not the heart of the city fan base for me.
Grame Souness also stated comments along similar lines. Not that it matters. As Dave Hickson said, "One Evertonian is worth twenty Reds."
Grame Souness also stated comments along similar lines. Not that it matters. As Dave Hickson said, "One Evertonian is worth twenty Reds."
Talking of shirts, is there a Toffeeweb shirt in production?
Now that would be nice..
Now that would be nice..
I have worked abroad for many years now,as a holiday rep and now as a diving instructor, and I will tell you now.... every time I see a koptwat shirt I ask,"Hey... where ya from mate?" ... and NEVER does a scouse accent come back to me. Anytime I see an Everton shirt, I don't even have to ask. I KNOW this person didn't choose... he/she was chosen.
If I ever met a scouser in a koptwat shirt, I would show genuine surprise, I shit you not. Try it!!! Next time you're on holiday, go up and ask that twat in a koptwat shirt where he/she is from... I will guarantee they will not be from Merseyside.
Am I telling you something you didn't already know here??
Maybe I'm looking through blue tinted glasses but growing up in Huyton (Knowsley borough) and going to school within Liverpool city boundaries (not Knowsley) and still living in Huyton today my contact with footy fans in the region sits at approximately 50/50 between Blues and Reds. That counts old schoolmates, work colleagues and family.
I currently work in Manchester and have had the misfortune of meeting tons of those Greater Manchester redshite fans from the 70s/80s era. Only one turned out to know anything about football and the history of his team and that was a genuine surprise. I'm friendly with him to this day for derby match banter.
I lived down South for quite a number of years too and again had the misfortune to meet many a redshite. Not a single one knew anything about their club or indeed about football in general.
Finally, one of my best mates is from Portsmouth but raised in Germany to English parents. His Scouse step dad got him into Everton as a kid and his fanaticism and knowledge of all things St. Domingo and onwards are on a par with any match going Blue I know.
It doesn't matter whether we or they have the most fans in the city. What matters is that one of ours is definitely worth at least twenty of theirs. COYB!
I currently work in Manchester and have had the misfortune of meeting tons of those Greater Manchester redshite fans from the 70s/80s era. Only one turned out to know anything about football and the history of his team and that was a genuine surprise. I'm friendly with him to this day for derby match banter.
I lived down South for quite a number of years too and again had the misfortune to meet many a redshite. Not a single one knew anything about their club or indeed about football in general.
Finally, one of my best mates is from Portsmouth but raised in Germany to English parents. His Scouse step dad got him into Everton as a kid and his fanaticism and knowledge of all things St. Domingo and onwards are on a par with any match going Blue I know.
It doesn't matter whether we or they have the most fans in the city. What matters is that one of ours is definitely worth at least twenty of theirs. COYB!
The numbers of reds and blues as a general percentage is probably a bit towards the reds due to their successes both domestically and Internationally... BUT, I have been in Goodison with over 70,000 present at least 3 times and when we played the pool in the cup a few years ago both grounds were filled to capacity with thousands outside who could not get in... I dont think that any other derby match in any other city would have ever attracted so many, especially for a night game.
Before the Premier League was formed, both Liverpool and Everton had a monopoly on title wins... but unfortunately the media tends to report that football history started with the formation of the Premier League so statistically our city do not figure compared to Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal..... :(
Mike Hughes #17 Brian Labone mate Brian Labone quoted 1 Evertonian is worth 20 reds not Dave Hickson!!!!
Dave would die for Everton.
Dave would die for Everton.
Whenever a WS supporter is interviewed on TV on match day you can bet your life that the LFC Shop carrier bag holding gobshite will have an Irish, Norwegian or southern accent. If the interview takes place on a non-match day it might be a scouser. Still a gobshite, but a scouser.
Growing up in my teens in the 80's I remember it being more 50/50 than it is now. Definitely changed to more RS these days.... but I still think that the harder core blues live near the ground and thin out towards the outskirts, with the opposite being the case with the RS.
My impression from when I lived there was that within the city Everton shaded it slightly, but as that spread out to Greater Merseyside Liverpool began to take over. Places like Birkenhead, St. Helens and so on, around the outside, had more reds.
#22 Graham Rathbone. I stand corrected - though technically I'm probably not wrong as I am sure Dave Hickson would have said this at some point in time!!!
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1 Posted 17/09/2010 at 14:31:46
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But, judging from last night's match, Anfield was half empty. So, to be honest, I don't really know now.