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Moyes has been worried for a long time
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about where the goals are going to come from. So why didn't he buy a fucking proven striker in the summer???
He could have easily sold the Yak (who he has/had given up on) and got in say Robbie Keane. Ok Keane isn't exactly the most inspiring signning but my point is he could have changed things.
I mean this is the bloke who said it is his best squad since becoming Everton manager...
Craig Taylor, Posted 23/09/2010 at 21:27:16
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I thought Moyes's first signing was Yobo.
Rooney an Lescott paid for most of his signings.
Who next?
Jack?
Who next?
Jack?
Its the build up play that the problem, we are rubbish at it, no cutting edge, no final ball, slow build ups and no quality in the final 3rd...
We may not have the best strikers in the premiership but for christs sake give them some service, I watched Beckford last Saturday and he made some great runs into space, the midfield just passed it sideways...
The poor lads confidence must be at an all time low, watching him chance down the channels like AJ did is too painful to watch.
We may not have the best strikers in the premiership but for christs sake give them some service, I watched Beckford last Saturday and he made some great runs into space, the midfield just passed it sideways...
The poor lads confidence must be at an all time low, watching him chance down the channels like AJ did is too painful to watch.
I have always had time for DM but I am now of the opinion that his journey with us is done. He has worked miracles with what little he has been given, but everything has a finite term and he has simply reached the end. He can no longer wheeler-deal and has apparently lost the dressing room, and pretty much lost the fans too. It's time to thank him for what he has done and let him move on. We cannot afford to let this dismal run continue.
Lads it's not Moyes's fault that some of our bigger name player are playing really bad for example not being able to pass a ball 10 yards, it's the players who are to blame. I have never seen people change their view of Everton so quickly before. Let's stick together this bad vib is doing no one any good. COYB
Keep the faith people, This is not IMWT but sacking the manager mid season is not a good plan, IF we replace the manager we need to plan for this and give a new guy if we change a pre season to work with the team.
Replace the owner. Then we can discuss managers.
James #7, if only we could transfer our chairman ? now that I would agree with.
@7 Stephen:
So by that logic, you're advocating that the board start plotting behind Moyes' back to replace him next Summer. Yeah, that wouldn't be half as bad for morale as just sacking him now would it!
So by that logic, you're advocating that the board start plotting behind Moyes' back to replace him next Summer. Yeah, that wouldn't be half as bad for morale as just sacking him now would it!
I have said it before and will keep on saying it. If Fellaini. Heitinga and Bily were not at the club would we really miss them? And there is 30 million quid to have spent on a decent striker and a wide right player nd we would be right up there.
MICK , Id miss them.
Last season Heitinga was in the world cup final. Fellaini was the best DEFENSIVE (not second striker) in the prem, Bily had the potential t be (as recommended by a manager who keeps hitting teams 4/5/6-0).
Put those 3 players in Ancelottis team and watch them SHINE! I even think Ancelotti could make Osman look good!
Last season Heitinga was in the world cup final. Fellaini was the best DEFENSIVE (not second striker) in the prem, Bily had the potential t be (as recommended by a manager who keeps hitting teams 4/5/6-0).
Put those 3 players in Ancelottis team and watch them SHINE! I even think Ancelotti could make Osman look good!
p.s this moyes being worried lark is to try and divert attention from him to the board, when in reality they are both inept at the present moment!
If Moyes was that worried in the summer he obviously has no faith in his current strikers. Therefore, why not sell them, especially when receiving bids for them; £8m for Saha and £6m for Yakubu were apparently concrete bids. He also doesn't seem to have faith in Vaughan. He could have had £15m to buy a new striker but instead keeps the out-of-favour strikers.
I suggest only one of the named was ever good enough. (Rooney) Of the rest maybe Saha when fit, but one not mentioned is Bent. He done a great job for the team and even though not a great goal scorer worked very hard up front by himself and kept the balance of the team playing 4-5-1. If others with better ability put in his shift they play every week. Should have let the Yak go when had the chance, also apparently offered £9m for Saha last year (ffs)
Moyes has only just started being worried??
A fair few of us have been worried for years. But have either been lulled by the up-turn that has always come ( not to say that it always will ) or dismissed as, at best glass half full naysayers, which then decended into an us Vs the apologistas slag fest.
BUT
This season it seems different. It has happened too many times now, you can only take so much ' Groundhog day ' and, in the end as Bill Murray found out, you just can't keep on comitting suicide, tall building, truck, football or otherwise.
You actually have to CHANGE!!
The Silence of the Lambs, oops sorry, Apologistas, well most of them, seems to me to speak volumes.
Even THEY can see it...It has to change and if Moyes can't or won't change then sorry, thanks foe all your good work but it's time for a change.
We all know that it will be hard to do, but it will be harder not to and the sooner the better.
The end of October max.
Nah sorry change of heart, do it NOW!
Even if we win all our games from now until then the underlying fact remains, you can't get 5ppl out of 100 to say that there are no cracks and any wins will only paper over them.
There must be a young up and coming attacking Moyes out there who could do the job. how worse off can we be??
A fair few of us have been worried for years. But have either been lulled by the up-turn that has always come ( not to say that it always will ) or dismissed as, at best glass half full naysayers, which then decended into an us Vs the apologistas slag fest.
BUT
This season it seems different. It has happened too many times now, you can only take so much ' Groundhog day ' and, in the end as Bill Murray found out, you just can't keep on comitting suicide, tall building, truck, football or otherwise.
You actually have to CHANGE!!
The Silence of the Lambs, oops sorry, Apologistas, well most of them, seems to me to speak volumes.
Even THEY can see it...It has to change and if Moyes can't or won't change then sorry, thanks foe all your good work but it's time for a change.
We all know that it will be hard to do, but it will be harder not to and the sooner the better.
The end of October max.
Nah sorry change of heart, do it NOW!
Even if we win all our games from now until then the underlying fact remains, you can't get 5ppl out of 100 to say that there are no cracks and any wins will only paper over them.
There must be a young up and coming attacking Moyes out there who could do the job. how worse off can we be??
A change of formation is definitely required, we have strikers who are all used to playing as a 2 man strikeforce, we either need to go 4-3-3 or some sort of adaptation of 4-4-2 as long as its not 4-4-1-1 the midfield is overcrowded and as such no room for forward runs which means no midfields in front of ball supporting striker so to pass forward on leaves one person to pass to who has 4 players marking.
to me at present Beckford and Yakubu would be worth playing together, Yakubu with hold up play and Beckford with his channel running, and together could get goals, also would create options and space in midfield
to me at present Beckford and Yakubu would be worth playing together, Yakubu with hold up play and Beckford with his channel running, and together could get goals, also would create options and space in midfield
The lack of fire power (for whatever reason) was never more apparent than at the end of LAST season. Moyes had a whole close season to address it - and, Beckford apart, chose to stick with what he's got. Knowing how to use forwards has never been Moyes's forte.
He should've given Vaughan his chance when Saha got injured instead of farming him out to Palace, surely playing a lad with Prem experience who would clearly be hungry to prove himself would be a better option than relying on a striker who has only proved himself in League 1?!
To those that are saying sell, Bily, Saha the Yak and we'll have x million to spend, but would the money go to Moyes or would it disappear into the black hole that is football finances. And it isn't just our problem anymore, take away Citteh's shopping spree and ludicrously over the odds transfer values, this would've been the quietest close season ever.
The main news that nobody commented on is from Chelski that the big spending days are over, in addition, I've just received a letter from RBS and if I change my current bank to RBS in October, they're offering a free Liverpool player as an introductory offer.
I think Moyes will have to work with what he's got, and it will made all the harder if Saha is crocked and the Yak is firing blanks to get them off the wage bill.
Oh BTW the get rid of Fellani was last year's post when he was playing in exactly the same position as he is now, put him where he should be and watch him fly.
The main news that nobody commented on is from Chelski that the big spending days are over, in addition, I've just received a letter from RBS and if I change my current bank to RBS in October, they're offering a free Liverpool player as an introductory offer.
I think Moyes will have to work with what he's got, and it will made all the harder if Saha is crocked and the Yak is firing blanks to get them off the wage bill.
Oh BTW the get rid of Fellani was last year's post when he was playing in exactly the same position as he is now, put him where he should be and watch him fly.
All this talk of addressing firepower is to be honest optomistic, there are few cheap strikers out there who will score 20 goals a season and as noted over again we have no money. Sell Fellaini? The best DM in the league before he got crocked and still a young lad, erm no. Sell Rodders, potentailly one of the top players of his generation, erm no. Who then, Yak? £6m then £5m, fuck off West Ham you're taking the piss, Yak in his only full season scored 20 goals, name me one striker who can score 20 for £6m. Saha, his early season form last year kept us going (Wenger interested and he doesnt really buy shite does he) and the £8m bid from Turkey was thankfully turned down, if it was made again now though Id take it though.
The best option is to get the Yak hungry again, no not for pies but for goals. It seems he wanted out over the summer but he's stuck here now and for the money he is on he needs to pull his finger out his arse and get back to his top form, the injury excuse and getting back to full fitness has just about run it's course now.
The best option is to get the Yak hungry again, no not for pies but for goals. It seems he wanted out over the summer but he's stuck here now and for the money he is on he needs to pull his finger out his arse and get back to his top form, the injury excuse and getting back to full fitness has just about run it's course now.
It makes me laugh when people say there is no value to be had in buying strikers. I watch a lot of lower league football and there are some very good players out there available at bargain prices.
I highlighted Dave Kitson when he was at Cambridge United. Steve Morison, knocking them in for Millwall, stood out at non league for Stevenage and I still think he would be a better bet now than our recently acquired lower league striker.
Bring back Bob Latchford.
I highlighted Dave Kitson when he was at Cambridge United. Steve Morison, knocking them in for Millwall, stood out at non league for Stevenage and I still think he would be a better bet now than our recently acquired lower league striker.
Bring back Bob Latchford.
One player who you could get for £6 million is Connor Wickham. I watched this lad and looks to have all the qualities to be a 20-goal-a-season player!!
SUPER KEV SUPER KEVIN CAMPBELL
It makes me laugh when people say there is no value to be had in buying strikers. I watch a lot of lower league football and there are some very good players out there available at bargain prices.
I highlighted Dave Kitson when he was at Cambridge United. Steve Morison, knocking them in for Millwall, stood out at non league for Stevenage and I still think he would be a better bet now than our recently acquired lower league striker.
Bring back Bob Latchford.
I highlighted Dave Kitson when he was at Cambridge United. Steve Morison, knocking them in for Millwall, stood out at non league for Stevenage and I still think he would be a better bet now than our recently acquired lower league striker.
Bring back Bob Latchford.
He buys Fellaini as a holding player, then sticks at the top of the midfield. Has a dreadful season, then puts him as a holding player and has a great season. Now he sticks him off the striker.
He buys Bily, who was playing off the striker for his Russian club and country, then sticks him on the wing.
He buys Heitinga as a centre half, plays him there has a great season and plays a World Cup final. Then he sticks him in midfield.
He constsitantly plays Osman right wing when he plays his best as a central midfield player.
Arteta is our most creative player at the club, so he plays him so deep he may as well be centre half.
Maybe, just maybe, if Moyes played his players in their right positions, it might just mean we actually play rather well!
He buys Bily, who was playing off the striker for his Russian club and country, then sticks him on the wing.
He buys Heitinga as a centre half, plays him there has a great season and plays a World Cup final. Then he sticks him in midfield.
He constsitantly plays Osman right wing when he plays his best as a central midfield player.
Arteta is our most creative player at the club, so he plays him so deep he may as well be centre half.
Maybe, just maybe, if Moyes played his players in their right positions, it might just mean we actually play rather well!
Fellaini played higher up the pitch at first as he was too clumsy in the tackle and got booked every five minutes, he scored a decent number of goals(nine I think) and people at the time were saying this is his best position. He matured, got used to the position defensivly and now is at his best there. Heitinga while best as a CH was bought playing RB for A.Madrid, he can also play DM and did so quite well at times last season. Therefore with Cahill injured and the strikers struggling, it was at least a decent option to put Fella back up there for a short time, he will come back to DM for the vast part of the season.
Bily was never bought as a player playing off the striker, he may be a able to play there but he was bought as someone who can play wide left, maybe centrally and right and can help out at LB.
Osman is not a right sided player but we have few options there, someone has to play there and with Big Vic still out we are scraping the barrell. Coleman could provide a solution but it's a lack of choice as to why he is out there.
Bily was never bought as a player playing off the striker, he may be a able to play there but he was bought as someone who can play wide left, maybe centrally and right and can help out at LB.
Osman is not a right sided player but we have few options there, someone has to play there and with Big Vic still out we are scraping the barrell. Coleman could provide a solution but it's a lack of choice as to why he is out there.
we've needed more up front since Jo fell out of favour a year ago, problem is you need money to buy a stiker and the £6m we would have got for the yak from west ham just isnt close to enough to buy anyone better than a fully fit yak would be. What really pisses me off is the shades of the lescott sale with the yak. West ham come in and his heads turned to the point where he's not fit to start the season, and suprise we lose saha to injury and now cant score goals. The club is suffering because the Yak was so unprofessional, and it doesnt seem to be a great concern to the management, personaly I'd be refusing to pay his wages. Only problem is we need him more than ever because who else is there?
Have we suddenly lost faith as Stephen Larkin suggests ? Well I for one have gradually over the last 12 months been losing confidence in David Moyes. I thought his handling of the Lescot affair was far from impressive - Arsenal had an offer at around the same time for Toure - they accepted it and within a couple of weeks they had signed a replacement in Vermulen. Yes we got some more money - but only had a few days in which to bring in a replacement.
I also think that his tactics are becoming predictable. He seems to always play 4-5-1 regardless of the opposition. When we were losing against Man United he brings on Coleman and Yak - next game we are losing against Newcastle and surprise surprise who does he bring on ?!!!
He does not seem to have enough variety or adventure in his tactics. He is in my opinion far too cautious far too often. I hope that he proves me wrong, but I fear that he is not capable of changing.
Beckford is, I believe, a striker with a lot of potential. However I don't really think that the formations/tactics that Moyes uses does him any favours at all. To play in the lone striker role is demanding enough for an international class striker - but for a player who is new to the Premier League is very difficult indeed. A really good manager e.g. Wenger would realise that.
I read on the BBC that Saha and Anichebe are both injured and out for 3 and 6 weeks respectively. It makes the decision to loan out James Vaughan look rather short sighted.
I also think that his tactics are becoming predictable. He seems to always play 4-5-1 regardless of the opposition. When we were losing against Man United he brings on Coleman and Yak - next game we are losing against Newcastle and surprise surprise who does he bring on ?!!!
He does not seem to have enough variety or adventure in his tactics. He is in my opinion far too cautious far too often. I hope that he proves me wrong, but I fear that he is not capable of changing.
Beckford is, I believe, a striker with a lot of potential. However I don't really think that the formations/tactics that Moyes uses does him any favours at all. To play in the lone striker role is demanding enough for an international class striker - but for a player who is new to the Premier League is very difficult indeed. A really good manager e.g. Wenger would realise that.
I read on the BBC that Saha and Anichebe are both injured and out for 3 and 6 weeks respectively. It makes the decision to loan out James Vaughan look rather short sighted.
If its true we were offered Keane in exchange for Pienaar at the end of the last window and dismissed it out of hand then he couldnt have been that worried about our strikers!!
If its true then that was a crazy decision. And it will lokk even crazier when Pienaar walks for nothing in a few months!!!
If its true then that was a crazy decision. And it will lokk even crazier when Pienaar walks for nothing in a few months!!!
It's easy to say someone is predictable when they only have a set number of decent players to pick from.
Yak still can't play a full game so if Beckford is all huff, of course he will swap him for the Yak. We can't afford to go 4-4-2 as our midfield isn't good enough to just have 4 in there.
So many on here think Coleman is the answer to ALL our problems so of course he will bring him on.
The only other player we have is Bily.
Gueye isn't ready and we now have an unknown 16 year old on the bench....what fecken difference would he may if he came on?
Of course he is predictable, as he has no other sub to look to. It would be great to have a better striker, but guess what we are skint, hence why nothing was spent over the summer. The money for Lucas Neill paid for the hopefuls and nothing else was spent.
The problem so far this season is that our most consistent and best player has probably been Hibbert, so what does that tell you about the rest of the feckers
Yak still can't play a full game so if Beckford is all huff, of course he will swap him for the Yak. We can't afford to go 4-4-2 as our midfield isn't good enough to just have 4 in there.
So many on here think Coleman is the answer to ALL our problems so of course he will bring him on.
The only other player we have is Bily.
Gueye isn't ready and we now have an unknown 16 year old on the bench....what fecken difference would he may if he came on?
Of course he is predictable, as he has no other sub to look to. It would be great to have a better striker, but guess what we are skint, hence why nothing was spent over the summer. The money for Lucas Neill paid for the hopefuls and nothing else was spent.
The problem so far this season is that our most consistent and best player has probably been Hibbert, so what does that tell you about the rest of the feckers
Alot of what you say is true Tony but why did Moyes proclaim this to be his strongest ,best squad since he's been here? The players he's got to pick from are the ones he's assembled at the club over his tenure. He's had opportunities to wheel and deal and get unfit or permanently injured players moved on (Yakubu, Saha, Vaughan). They may not have brought megabucks in but the money could have gone towards getting in a forward or two who might actually be available for selection once in a while.
I've said it before whilst Bily is a talented player we should not have spent the cash on him, we should have brought in a proper wide player. Yes, the players aren't performing at the moment and it's debatable that some of them are good enough but they're his players bought by him. At the end of the day he is the manager and he is responsible for the personnel at his disposal.
Anthony, yes it is his squad and probably "his" best squad, as we have made do with 12 decent players for so long and now we have about 16 decent players and a few hopefuls.
I am still on the fence with Bily, as he seems all over the show, one moment he can put a cracking cross in, the next he doesn't look arsed; however he has been getting so much stick of late yet this "shite" player outscored and set up more goals than the player who is now seeking parity with our top earner.
The £8m for Saha sounded like rubbish but lets be honest we would have finished in the bottom half of the table if it hadn't of been for him. Why sell Yak for £6m, strike that valuation, it's now £3m from the dopes below us and who in their right mind would buy a striker that has had about 30 games for us in 5 years?
Our first XI is good, and we have a couple of decent subs but apart from that we don't have a good squad and we do not have any money to buy bettter players, which you need to even stand still in this league.
Even fecken Blackpool outspent us in the transfer stakes for fecks sake.
I am still on the fence with Bily, as he seems all over the show, one moment he can put a cracking cross in, the next he doesn't look arsed; however he has been getting so much stick of late yet this "shite" player outscored and set up more goals than the player who is now seeking parity with our top earner.
The £8m for Saha sounded like rubbish but lets be honest we would have finished in the bottom half of the table if it hadn't of been for him. Why sell Yak for £6m, strike that valuation, it's now £3m from the dopes below us and who in their right mind would buy a striker that has had about 30 games for us in 5 years?
Our first XI is good, and we have a couple of decent subs but apart from that we don't have a good squad and we do not have any money to buy bettter players, which you need to even stand still in this league.
Even fecken Blackpool outspent us in the transfer stakes for fecks sake.
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You say there is value to be had in the lower leagues and that is true to an extent, but then you mention Dave Kitson. Sorry mate but not the best example there is he? The other problem with lower league strikers is that they are unproven and therefore a bit of a gamble. We are at the point where we want proven quality to push on, not gambles. We have gambled to an extent on Beckford who was meant to be one of the best lower league strikers around, he was free though so less of a gamble and more giving the lad a chance and saving £3-5m ish.
You say there is value to be had in the lower leagues and that is true to an extent, but then you mention Dave Kitson. Sorry mate but not the best example there is he? The other problem with lower league strikers is that they are unproven and therefore a bit of a gamble. We are at the point where we want proven quality to push on, not gambles. We have gambled to an extent on Beckford who was meant to be one of the best lower league strikers around, he was free though so less of a gamble and more giving the lad a chance and saving £3-5m ish.
Should have sold haha to the the turks for £8m when had the chance.that was terrible management given haha injury problems,
all the same Fulaham 1 Everton 2
all the same Fulaham 1 Everton 2
If we had the best striker in the world, he still wouldn't score as the service is shit. Funny how things seem bad since Alan Irvine left...
We have fuck all capable strikers and it's Moyes's fault! End of!
What is wrong with Jose Baxter? I thought he was a right sided midfielder/ forward.
Lol 36, It didn't get bad when Irvine left, it wasn't too shit hot then, it's just got worse.
I think I will have a peek at the PNE sites and see how they think they are going, thats if he is still there.
I think I will have a peek at the PNE sites and see how they think they are going, thats if he is still there.
We should have sold Saha last year when there were a number of teams interested in him. We could have got about £6 million for him, but instead we offfer him a flash new contract and he hasn't scored since and is a constant liablity because of his fitness and injuries. We could have then used that money to bring in a livewire upfront instead of settling for the unproven Beckford.
"Sell Fellaini? The best DM in the league"
Are you kidding me? We found the best place for him by accident last season and what does moyse do? thats right shove him back up top, where he was before he was put into DM.
This is the same baffoon who clearly doesn't know the rules of the game. Consider how clumbsy the oaf is. He bowles players over etc gets caught doing it, then complains to the ref that he thought it was legal. This is does with regularity.
Why put osman on the right wing? why have the muppet in the team to start with?
Sorry but the manager cannot learn, he is too stubborn and love the defend at all costs attitude..yet ironically we have conceded 9 goals in just 6 games.
Why bring Bily on for the last 2 minutes..jesus wept. Get lost Moyse.
Are you kidding me? We found the best place for him by accident last season and what does moyse do? thats right shove him back up top, where he was before he was put into DM.
This is the same baffoon who clearly doesn't know the rules of the game. Consider how clumbsy the oaf is. He bowles players over etc gets caught doing it, then complains to the ref that he thought it was legal. This is does with regularity.
Why put osman on the right wing? why have the muppet in the team to start with?
Sorry but the manager cannot learn, he is too stubborn and love the defend at all costs attitude..yet ironically we have conceded 9 goals in just 6 games.
Why bring Bily on for the last 2 minutes..jesus wept. Get lost Moyse.
I forgot to add that he managed to walk down the tunnel after full time..without him even realizing we had to play another 30 mins. 0.o
sorry £15 m on an impulse panic buy and that does not include the appearances and his performance related fees (scoring etc) going to SL. This deal was not as clear cut as a lot make out. We got stung with a clanger here. I mean cmon he couldnt play anywhere on the pitch until we managed to find it our necessity through injuries (team picked itself). He will continue to play upfront or just off the front where he can't play at all..he is just terrible there.
So i consider it a waste of money ..also 11m for Bily..what a pile of shite he is. 26m right there for the two of them. Now tell me we couldn't have bought a decent striker with that.
We had loads of opportunities to buy strikers this past summer but moyse..nope we have our pile of shite here.
So i consider it a waste of money ..also 11m for Bily..what a pile of shite he is. 26m right there for the two of them. Now tell me we couldn't have bought a decent striker with that.
We had loads of opportunities to buy strikers this past summer but moyse..nope we have our pile of shite here.
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Eight and a half years years of mostly boring negative football yet people say he has had no money Fellani £15 million, Billy £11 million, Yak £12 million, Johnson £6million, Beattie £8 million, Kroldrop(one game) £5 million, we should have known the first signing was Keep Off The grass Richard Wright a goalkeeper.