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I haven't posted for a while but I feel I must say something about the whole situation at MY CLUB who I have supported all MY LIFE.
Let's start at the top and work down. Bill Kenwright came along as though he was an Evertonian on a white charger to slay the Johnson red evil dragon and, at the time, I fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. But now, after all these years, we are NO BETTER OFF FINANCIALLY. In fact, we are WORSE off now because of all the loans he has taken out since he took ownership of the club I have supported since I was a kid.
Now I am 53. He got our club for £30M. And when a shareholder at the [forum] meeting, after he said the club was for sale. a shareholder asked him how much he wanted for the club? His answer was, delivered leaning back in his chair and yawning while he said the question was... BORING!
Neither him nor any of the other parasites that infest our great club have invested a fucking penny of their own cash in the club. Now they are making this big announcement about a £9 million investment in the Park End development and whatever. But that fucking £9 million or less would have been better invested in getting rid of the obstructed views and fixing the other facilities that he and his cronies have neglected for years. We lose about three thousand paying supporters every home game because of obstructed views.
Then lets go onto his relationship with his manager (Stooge!) David Moyes. I would agree that David has done a great job up until the season before last. But then he was holding out for HIS CONTRACT! It would never have happened in Catterick's or Kendall's days. When they measured themselves on what they WON!!!
Moyes is believing the shit that the papers are saying about him being a great young British manager... but let me tell you, David, you're getting older by the week, it might not matter to you on your £5 million a year in your cosy little agreement with Kenwright. Kenwright said a couple of months ago, "I don't think I could work with another manager." ? Maybe you know too much, lad! Because, every season, you make a twat of a start.
Don't blame fuck all, not the bottle getting thrown at EVERTONIANS, WE can look after ourselves. Not injuries, Not fuck all, Just get them playing for ther lives. WE ARE SICK OF BEING HAPPY ONE WEEK, AND FUCKING TOTALLY DEPRESSED THE NEXT. After you and the rest have gone, ME AND MY KIN WILL STILL BE THERE!
David Moorcroft, Posted 27/09/2010 at 00:17:42
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I thought the guy with white charger had now turned out to be a red, ugly and a broken dragon himself...
I understand and respect that everyone has thier own opinion but I feel his opinion is ill-informed. Ignorance is bliss, as they say... He simply will not have it that Kenwright has done anything wrong. Not even Kings Dock (Gregg's fault); Fortress Sports Fund (never heard of it ? the irony).
The biggest problem we have is that he's not alone. As long as our supporters continue to bury their heads in the sand, Bill is laughing his head off. Also, the reason I mention the board as well as Kenwright is that I think Woods and Earl are every bit as bad, while I have a feeling they are all just the pawns of Phillip Green.
Kenwright has destroyed our club and is a total shit. Moyes is being found out for what he is ? an average manager who has little nouse when it comes to tactics.
The next Manure manager you must be fucking joking, they wouldn't trust him with their kit bag.
I know a lot of people on here are blaming Moyes. Maybe they're right, maybe not. It is my opinion that whether Moyes needs to go or not, it would be absolutely pointless unless the board go too.
1-6 to Arsenal and no mutiny!
How the years have diminished some people's expectations and tarnished our motto
Is this an age thing? are all the narks dying out?
Managers sacked for finishing 4th and losing a Cup Final
Showers of cushions flung onto the pitch
Police surrounding the Directors' Box
Full-time booing scaring the pigeons at the Pier Head
Jesus, these days, poor old Gordon Lee would be hailed as another Clough
Sadly, you're right, but I still say you can build a decent team without mega-bucks but you need the right foundations. You start with a good man manager/coach who can blend different players' capabilities plus the club infrastructure to support his aims and vision.
Young 'uns try to tell me Clough would have failed to build a team in this current PL setup... do you agree?
Over eight years in charge & all that's expected of Moyes is the same as we hoped for when he arrived: save us from the drop!
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
I am not a fine weather supporter by any means, but I feel Everton has had the soul ripped from it; when that happens, loyalty goes out the window I'm afraid.
Success is when you actually win things, avoiding relegation is not winning, it's simply surviving, which is simply not good enough now for the team we have assembled.....if they all manage to play the way we know they can.
BK is sitting pretty at the top, no one is pressuring him into changing, he must think all is rosy in the garden. We may not want to be labelled as gobshites but how else are us fans meant to vent our anger at this malaise.
Only the fans can push this bastard out!
Phil surely you must agree we have a well-assembled squad without having spent "mega-bucks"? I've seen 3 or 4 games this season and, apart from the Newcastle game, have played well. Okay not the attacking football we mostly want but we're unlucky not to have won 3 games.
We have a budget smaller than Blackpool.
As you say, the directors don't put a penny into the club while taking out £245k a year between them in salaries. It's personal investors we need, that's what Man City, Spurs, Stoke, Wolves, Chelsea have, granted, as like Blackburn and Villa, the well will run dry.
It?s so frustrating that a small figure, in today?s? market, of £20m outside investment each year, could see us make that last step up. Interestingly, the club loan of £30m was taken out using season ticket and matchday sales as a guarantee, now that's either faith in the supporters or just taking us for granted.
A balanced view says the club is run well financially, it isn't putting the club into deep unmanageable debt and has backed the Managers request to secure the current playing staff at the expense of any significant transfer activity. It's not for anyone to tell someone how to spend their own money, but if I was the 8th richest man in football and an Evertonian, currently one out of two so far, then I?d try to make a difference to the club we all love.
We may as well be the people's club in ownership as well if the current level of investment by the board is anything to go by. Outside foreign investment as we know has it?s risks and are given licence by the Premier League to go and print money to purchase a club, regardless of the debt that club finds itself in 5 years down the line.
There is no easy solution to our plight other than hope we can turn this season around and take comfort in the stable, if not mega spending and irresponsible way the club is run. So, when asking to get the board out, who do we have in mind? Likewise the Manager and some of the players.
Listen, none of us are happy at the moment, but we will be okay... it's just difficult not seeing us treading water for a few seasons yet. Our version of treading water, however, has been top 6 usually, so it hasn't been a total write off under Moyes and Kenwright has it?
Unfortunatley, so far this eason we are, as someone called us a few weeks ago, "Arsenal Lite".
The question I'd ask is could a different manager do better with this squad? And no, I don't have the answer - torn between hoping Moyes can progress to be all I thought he would be and fearing the havoc of mid-season mangerial change.
What I was trying to say (badly) is that the constant justification for our lack of competing at the top is our being skint doesn't wash with me and, I presume, other long-standing Evertonians. It annoys me as much as those pontificating how we should be happy with our lot now because "we were worse under Walter".
And how sad that Blackpool have a bigger budget than us; whose fault is that? The players, the fans, the managers? Hopefully we'll catch up with them on points, at least, before our day out in November.
We all need to remember our club motto: NSNO ? it is not 'only mediocrity will do'. I know some of you will say that I am living in the past and times have changed but, it is our history and our heritage that makes us stronger and better than any other team I know.
Any returning again to budget for players, yes when our first XI clicks we can play fantastic football; however, that doesn't happen ofter because only "mega bucks" can buy you consistency. Our players are very good but when they are bad, they are diabolical.
Even Torres on one of his worst days will still bang in a late winner, Yakubu on a bad day will fall over all the time and usually lose possession on the half way line and do an Anichebe impression (hands on hips blowing hard).
We have the 8th richest man in football on the board and yet have to go to Barclays for £30m at 8% interest. So we pay £3m interest each year, Blackpool have £3m to go towards players, bigger budget? No, directors/owners who support the club financially as well as vocally, absolutely.
Annoying and depressing as it all is, I am not going to panic after a few strange and bad results (although there are issues with us at the moment: tactics; players played out of position; Yakubu unfit ? I am sure a fit Yak would have buried that last chance on Saturday, he was just too bloody knackered; etc. etc.)
But what you might have to come to recognise (as I have, regrettably, over the last couple of years) is that without some injection of capital, we can no longer compete. It was just about possible maybe three years or so ago, but no longer. The days of a Cloughie taking a club from Division Two to the heights of Europe are gone.
Years ago, cash injections helped buy success, but did not guarantee it. Nowawadays that still applies, but what has changed is that you can no longer have success without cash. Richer clubs have taken things to the next level. If you have as much money as Manchester City or Chelsea, in the end you can buy whoever you like, and as a club, not really worry if you get some purchases wrong. It is the owner?s loose change. You can also weaken potential rivals by hoovering up their best players and even leave these players in the stiffs if necessary.
And for all his real or imagined faults, I am sure our Chairman knows all this. The question we all want the answer to is: why does nothing change at Everton? When your train set starts electrocuting you whenever you go near it, in the end you walk away. And I must admit, that is a real fear. It is all well and good people slagging off the manager and the Board, but if they all walk what might the alternative look like?
Essentially we have mediocre people running Everton. Supporters are turning away from the club as we morph into Coventry City, and who can blame them, how else will the message get through.
There's no hope with Kenwright and co fronted by the Moyes glove puppet.
"Mediocrity is excellent to the eyes of mediocre people? ? Joseph Joubert.
As has been pointed out on here, nothing will change until Kenwright goes... if he goes. We do have a good squad but Moyes doesn't know his best eleven yet, which is worrying to say the least. The most depressing aspect of all of this was that as the season approached we were literally on quality forward away from really being good... Maybe we still can be; here's wishing....
Why the silence of Trevor Birch?
Who was Christopher Samuelson and did he really have an equity card?
Why did Paul Gregg get painted as villain of the piece when we all know the truth behind the King's Dock fiasco?
Why was Wayne Rooney really sold?
How come Keith Wyness was chased around the Med by Philip Green on his yacht and told paid off to keep his mouth shut?
Why has David Moyes abandoned his vision and principles for the sake of a gold-plated contract?
Why have the AGM's been scrapped?
What is the role of Robert Earl and Sir Philip Green in the running of Everton?
Why do the local media give Kenwright carte blanche when they castigate Hicks and Gilett at every given opportunity?
... and the 24/7 search for investment?
Answers on a postcard.
Other than that, it is anyones guess
Why the fuck can't this useless prick of a man so called running our club find any sort of investment at all?
It beggars belief and ok we're all pissed off with the bad start to the season but the next few years are worrying as to how we are going to finance ourselves. This is even before we talk about new stadia.
A few truths there
It's hard for those of us who love(d) playing to understand how young lads with the skills we wished we had are happy to sit in the stiffs and not play at the best level they can
As you say, the obscenely rich are causing mayhem in many ways, not just the obvious
One way round this is developing/ buying-in youngsters and hope some come through, which we are trying to do to some extent; this is, though, negated by the near-certainty of losing them to the rich clubs (or Newcastle!)
Not being able to keep a born and bred Blue really showed how buggared-up it all is; a depressing downward spiral
I still live in hope, though, as in:
take 1 ex-binman, a teenager from Burnley, 2 old crocks with dodgy knees etc....
in anger, but heh.... I feel your pain, frustration & resentment 100%.
I will bet you we finish bottom half.
I personally blame Moyes and Kenwright for our current position. Both fail to identify problems and seek to rectify them, and have landed us in this mess. But I understand that there are many people who will have different beliefs than me and I?d like to read what some people's thoughts are, as that?s what appeals to me about this great site.
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