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Euro Under-21s, Part 1
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I say Part 1 because it's anyone's guess how England will play on Sunday and if they come home early or move into the next stage.
My point is about Jack Rodwell however. When he came on as sub on Sunday, I thought he did quite well... but last night, Pearce played him in a more attacking role that he didn't look suited to and he had in all honesty 'a bit of a mare'.
On a positive note however, unless he has a change of fortunes (which I doubt, as I can see a return to the bench for Sunday), then he will surely be an Everton player next season, as his number of suitors will surely diminish.
I for one would be very pleased with this outcome as I still have a great deal of faith in the lad and firmly believe he will prove his true potential, hopefully at Everton.
And finally on a further positive note: Jordan Henderson will be a Red next season.
Liam Reilly, Posted 16/06/2011 at 10:54:45
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In fact, I'm sure I read recently on here that Hope Apkan was the next big thing, but I see we've just offloaded him.
Thats the problem; too much glass half-full sometimes, when it comes to the youngsters.
In fact, I'm sure I read recently on here that Hope Apkan was the next big thing, but I see we've just offloaded him.
Thats the problem; too much glass half-full sometimes, when it comes to the youngsters.
Rodwell is a good player, just needs a good amount of time with injury and a bit of confidence. It would also help him if he played in his position. Fact is, Pearce for some reason* likes to play Macienne in the defensive midifeld role. Rodwell should play alngside Fellaini with Arteta, Osman or Cahill in front of them in a midfield 3.
*Pearce is an awful manager.
Arteta at 29 and Jagielka at 29, would get us a similar amount of money and have less years left in them.
It is also worth noting, any fee we recieve for Rodwell will not be upfront. It will be based on future club/international appearances, personal awards, along with more based on silverware won/champions league qualification. If he does fail to develop we will get hardly anything out of he deal.
It's a bit easier to get tackes in playing centre half but you've got to actually want to get those tackles in and be aggresive wherever you play defensively.
Put to that you need real aggression in the air in the premier league just to hold your own, never mind dominate and I'm struggling to see a position for him there either TBH.
Perhaps a season at right back specifically marking wingers will help him develop this side of his game.
He does from time to time look the type that can drive a team on and his passing is always neat and tidy but it's never creative.
When Arteta got injured I really wanted to see Big Mo and Rodwell play a run of games to see if they could be a dynamic pairing and run midfields, the jury's still out as they never got a fair run together.
Next season will be pivotal for him as he will need to show whether he's really got it or is another failed prodigy.
I dont agree with jags - there's no reason why he can't play at the same level for another 3-4 years, and moreover he's a great utility player, he'd do a job anywhere in defence or centre midifield. We need players like him given our situation. He is a modern steve watson.
Just like Heitinga in midfield, Yobo at right back,Bily anywhere, its square holes in round pegs time..........
Wrong thread?
Touch of an elephant, only less powerful.
I really hope you are right on this one, however having been to every game Rodwell has played for Everton i just can't see this outstanding talent that everybody talks about.
In my opinion he will have to buck his ideas up considerably if he hopes to be in everton's first team next season, because from what i have seen he would certainly not be in my starting line - up.
However, i suppose that's what makes this game so great everybody watches the same game but sees different things.
As with Capello's mob of no hopers they are humiliated by players from countries torn apart by internal strife that destroyed much of there sporting infrastructure.
I reckon the UK media has much to answer for. It creates gods out of kids who can barely pass a ball over 20 meters.
The latest poor showing has brought forth the usual hackneyed excuses ranging from wrong position, negative tactics, No fire in the belly, no swagger (thats a new one).
The real answer lies in the fact that they are not remotely as good as media hype, their own clubs and mug punters have made them.
Most ball players seem to be foreign nowadays and to see a winger take on a fullback seems rare...passing sideways and backwards to keep possesion is OK when there is an end product eg; Barcelona....but most of our clubs seem to struggle with basics.
Keep Rodwell. He'll develop and do the business for us.
It isn't just Jack, all English players seem to be out of their depth . .and its not just against the high end football nations. I couldn't bare to watch the Swiss give our supposed finest an absolute chasing recently.
I think we - the great British public - are in many ways responsible. We demand non stop 90 mile an hour adrenaline pumping action, we traded technical ability and art for determination and goalmouth drama a long time ago.
Our premiership players are conditioned to playing high tempo, clear your lines, get it into the mix, win your personal duels football and this is mirrored right down to the base of the football pyramid.
Our kids are conditioned to play this way as soon as they can kick a ball and not just by coaches, their team mates are even worse, losing possession has become a crime, when they get the ball the first thing they want to do is get rid of it. its becoming part of our DNA.
Watch a grass roots game now and you will notice that only the supremely confident dare to put a foot on the ball
Sure we do ok in the Champions league, but when you take the foreigners who have been brought up properly out of our teams, the English players look technically inferior, no matter who they play.
Its like asking High octane silver screen action heroes to go into the theatre and do Shakespeare
But whats happened to our coaching process...it seems to concentrate on physical fitness and I am often dismayed at the lack of basic skill in a lot of our home grown supposed talent....Barcelona have a very small team compared to others but there really is no problem for them as they have a few hard men at the back where its needed and their midfield and attack can entertain the fans.
Its absolutely lamentable to watch the under 21's and the future of British football so poor in basic ability.
If Spain had not tried to showboat once they were a goal ahead they would have beaten us out of sight....if it was a boxing match the fight would have been stopped.....
If the boy was going to raise £10M for the club this summer-as many hoped-he desperately needed a good U21 tourney., But perhaps it was never meant to be and, in the end,he will just develop into a sound rather than spectacular servant for Everton a la Ossie and Hibbo.No complaints from me if he does just that!
We have well disciplined defenders but the midfield and attack is threadbare.....Spain totally bossed the midfield and individually they were streets ahead.
Its a coaching problem in our country!!
To look at that England u-21 bench and see Stuart Pearce and Steve Wigley sitting there tells you all you need to know. If they went on Mastermind it'd be a 0-0 draw.
We give jobs to the boys and mistrust anyone who has new ideas or isn't a familiar face. Popular ex-players are almost guaranteed managers jobs for up to ten years after their careers without ever having to show any ability or success and seem to refuse or be unable to think about the game in any kind of intelligent or analytical way most of the time.
Most of those England U-21 players could keep the ball extremely well in that slower paced international football style environment if that's how they trained and they knew that was what was expected of them. However, there was one comment that was very telling against Ukraine. I think it was Jordan Henderson in midfield who was closed down, and instead of 'getting rid', had the confidence to shimmy past the man and maintain controlled possession, someone on the bench screamed 'don't take him on!' to admonish him. While we employ coaches with that attitude at the national level, we've got no chance.
I disagree that our players aren't good enough, I've had this argument before, if you took any of our young players and put them in a foreign team with a different mentality, they wouldn't look like they lacked basic balls control or technique, that impression is given by the way they are coached to play the game.
PS> Agree that Henderson to Liverpool for £20M is a good transfer for an Everton fan.
You can say he's not worth 10 million, but I'd have him over Henderson anyday. Sean, you complain that he hasn't got Rooney's attitude, well I don't want to see him throwing himself in everywhere and getting injured ala James Vaughan, who could have been a great player!
Also Wilshire is over rated and a diver
The national side hasn't reinvented itself or embraced change ever, it just replaces overpaid managers at set intervals with lipservice statements and no changes with the same old same old year in year out
He also said he has seen this mirrored right through the academy from what he's seen.
Perhaps things are finally changing with regards to the quality of coaching.
David Moyes must have a good idea, but with the paper thin squad, and with injuries as they have been, Jack gets moved around, so he has no time to settle into what is his best position???
I cannot see the lad moving on this season, as some fans have suggested, and hopefully, with the comings and goings that are expected, he may settle.
I played football for Southport and Buxton and I love watching players who could do things with a ball that I couldn't.......nowadays most British players are journeymen who can do a job and thats the reason why the best british players are defenders !!!!
Man United aside I can think of an English side who had a player like that for years. Probably N'zogbia of Wigan is the only other proper dribbler I can think of recently.
Couldn't agree more, in addition I believe there's a factory where they stamp the dullards out complete with pre -programmed idiot quotes.
With the exception of Martinez and before him Wenger you couldn't pick one of them out of a police line up. Individual ideas are notably absent from the english game.
Really, think about England's focus on the physically-fit, hard men mentality combined with main-land Europe's emphasis on skills (especially in La Minor Liga). What country could defeat England if the emphasis what put on both?
Barca has all that skill going forward, but are tough to crack in defense too (as the Final against ManU proved).
England's national team can do the same. To me, as an American, the "Sun Never Sets . . . . " attitude has to go.
It's normal over here to except new things, I know. We're America. England can do the same. You have the healthy youth who love the game, they're exposed to the possibilities with the ball at their foot, and England's had/has myriad examples of Hard Men with magic in their feet. The 2 don't have to be exclusive.
On Rodwell, the only thing he could possibly offer as a attacking midfielder is to get in the box as much as possible with him being a athlete and support the striker? The downside to that is that them kind of players Cahill, Lampard, goalscoring midfielders have a knack and instinct to gamble and arrive to put the ball in the net just in time, Rodwell has never looked that kind of player and never will, Moyes mentioned he could play the position first then after a awfull season that gobshite Pearce decides its a good idea?.
Ime not defending Rodwell he was as poor as any but lets face Rodwell is only ever going to be a cog in the engine room the type that all teams need but never a player that excites fans and trying him in other roles is not going to help him. He needs to be settled in his position and learn it, meddling has already seen him go backwards and wont do his confidence any good.
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1 Posted 16/06/2011 at 18:11:52
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He was shocking in truth, always playing the simple 5 yard ball then running forward away from the play as if to say, my job's done here. His first touch piss poor getting him cautioned and again another poor first touch could have got him sent off after he jumped into a tackle he could never win. He lost his marker on a free kick, didn't create space, didn't go looking for the ball and hardly put a tackle in all game before rightly being hauled off on the 58th minute.
So what's gone wrong? For me he lacks fire in his belly, a bit of anger, a bit of passion... dare I say it, a bit of Evertonian in him. This one-paced slowy-slowy approach doesn't suit him. He needs a fucking reality check!! £20millon to United? You're having a laugh, it would be more like 20 quid to Crawley.
He needs a fucking rocket up his ass. I spent half of last night screaming at the TV saying get fucking stuck in, but no he doesnt want to do that or, more to the point, he isn't willing too.
The thing that annoys me most is we have seen he has the quality but his attitude stinks. If Jack Rodwell had Rooney's never say die attitude we would have a world beater on our hands, he needs to buck up his idea an fast because before he knows it he could end up on the scrapheap.