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The end of the Moyes - Kenwright project
92 Comments: We had a go at trying for the Champions League. It didn't work out... and today signalled that the plan is over. We are about survival.
I fear that today Moyes sees this as a good result. Negative, defeatist and utterly embarrassing. We didn't get thumped, fucking brilliant!!!
Today signalled that we are spent as a competitive side. Keep us in the Premier League is the plan. Nothing more.
Does David Moyes believe that the squad he has assembled are a pile of shite? Certainly he doesn't have much confidence in them...
Shameful, cowardly, capitulation. Let's give him an extended contract.
Andy Crooks, Posted 24/09/2011 at 18:12:03
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Nobody ever expected us to go to City and dominate possession, it was always going to be backs to the wall for a lot of the game, but you still need to have some form of offensive plan. I don't think Moyes had one until we went behind, and by then as usual it's too late.
It will be more of the same next week and I fear a loss at home, in the derby, will be enough to even put the Kenwright supporters against him. Put his face on the screen if were losing to Liverpool and see who cheers.
For all our great history, the club is now small-time. Small-time chairman, small-time manager, small-time players and an apparent large section of small-time fans.
Moyes, fuck off now!
Today was hoofball up and then watch it come back but yet some blues defend this ("At least we weren't stuffed")... Well a loss is a loss in my eyes and, as long as the piss poor tactics from man on millions continue, then we will inevitable decline.
Ian and Max ? let's apply the same thought process to our next couple of games because the Shite, United and Chelski have spent lots of money. Park the bus, close your eyes and hope we nick a cheeky goal... School of Science, eh?
What a load of fuckin crap; god help us.
To not play a player with any pace up front from the start was astounding! It was so easy for their defenders, it was criminal.
Why on earth would we change the tactics which have won the last two visits here? City have spent a shed load more ? and just got better, that's why it didn't work.
It doesn't mean we accept or like it, it's shit. The OP is just melodramatic guff. If you can't put criticisms into any context then they're not worth the effort.
Lets move on and beat the shite. Having fuck all money means we won't be in the Champions League, but it doesnt stop us winning games. It just gets harder.
You mention Liverpool, Chelsea and Man U, all have struggled to beat us in recent season thanks to Moyes's tactics even though they have far superior players. It took City about 6 attempts to finally get a result against Moyes.
Worse teams than us will beat City this season and they won't do it by playing with fear. Moyes has filled our team with fear... We treat City and Wigan the same way, sad and shameful.
Way back since 1977, I chose the blues (coming from a Man City family); at 7 years old I made that choice. I have never been so ashamed and embarrassed to be associated with Everton as I am now under Moyes because of continual negative anti-football tactics. I'm so pissed off, I don't want to see us again.
The last 7 times I've seen Everton, we have never even scored a goal, not once. It's shocking, and Moyes is the most morose, tactically inept, miserable person I have ever heard speak.
How dare he start every game with no strikers; how dare he with the wages he is paid. It's a disgrace, our football club is a disgrace.
Football is supposed to entertain and be enjoyed. 10 years he has had and look at the brand of football.
Proud to be an Evertonian? Not any more...
Ian, I don't care about other teams like Spurs ? I only care about Everton. Yes, the Redshite and United have found it hard in recent years but all of these teams have improved so what's our Plan B? Lay some fresh tarmac on the pitch, park the bus, hope they don't score or don't score that many. If they win, at least we can say that they haven't done that well against us in recent years.
Please don't say what can he do with what he's got, it's his team.
I have had it with the attitude that has engulfed the whole club ? supporters included. It's typical of what we have become. The players must be sick of Shitbag Dave telling them how great the opposition is... It fucking stinks.
I know his hands are tied but you have to admit he has other options on the bench to play a more attractive and offensive game.
Why constantly sit there with fingers crossed hoping not to concede and then go for it in the last 10 minutes or so? We are so predictable and everyone has sussed us out.
We could definitely be more offensive and maybe more attractive ? eg, midfield: Drenthe, Fellaini, Barlley and Coleman with Vellios and Saha up front. Trouble is, I could just imagine City cutting us to ribbons in all that space. It would be time to hide behind the settee!
And all those teams last season who attack better than we do... Blackpool, West Brom, Bolton, Sunderland, Villa ? they all finished below us. The only teams who open up successfully are the money clubs. Fair play to you if you're happy to take the risk, but certainly Moyes isn't.
How on earth can you go to a top side, hope to hit them on the break and start without a player capable of out-running a fucking snail???
I am not surprised we have seen more strikers come and go than a matchbox. Moyes must coach all attacking nouse out of all our forward-thinking players. Even against West Brom in the Carling Cup, we had one up front. It won't be long before he gets rid of all our strikers and brings some defenders and midfielders to replace them.
It's an absolute disgrace that we only play with one striker at the absolute MOST!! It's time Moyes just packed his bag and did the honourable thing.
We have a good enough squad to give most teams a good going over if we played an attacking formation. We have some fantastically technically gifted footballers at the club. Yet it's being coached out of them by Dour Dave.
Bring in Martin O'Niell; with these players and his attacking style, we will win more than we will lose. I would rather watch us win 4-3 than lose 2-0 with no recognised strikers.
Some game plan eh?
I like your line up by the way as it shows attacking intent so why did he not choose this for teams like Villa, QPR, West Brom. That also proves that he does have an option.
I would rather get beat trying than just capitulate and be praised as plucky little Everton who work hard for their manager. I am also aware that sometimes we have to be more defensive but not to just turn up and park the bus.
The better team won today, we all know it in fact I think most of us knew it as soon as he named his squad and formation. The shite across the park will have us sussed out because you just know what tactics and formation Moyes will adopt.
As you can see from some of the pro-Moyes posts, the dynamic duo are here for a long time yet.
The idea we try and beat teams who've spent more than us means we're going to get 5 or 6 put into us ? according to the fearful.
Any old shit will do as long as we're in the Prem.
Some of the statements are mind-boggling in their cowardice.
I don't even watch the games on TV anymore and just wait till I get to work for all my mates to take the piss out of me as I have become used to over the years of supporting EFC. Ultimately, whatever anyone says, they are responsable for the mess that is now unfolding at EFC and, as far as I am concerned, after such a long time of failure, we will never move forward whilst these two clowns are in charge.
You're doing that thing where you appear to be having a row with yourself about something then throw out an obscure comment in mid rant.
Really, what are you on about this time?
ESP ain't my forte...
Roy of the Rovers would be on the bench at Everton until he learnt to track back and run the channels. "Run Roy. Run. Just hold it. Hold it. HOLD IT! Wait for Ossie to get there."
Then Moyes would fall out with him and he'd be up the East Lancs Road to Manco-land.
We the fans are amazed that these two blunderers have given us a team, year after year, that plays exactly the same way, match after match, and occasionally, just occasionally, they get lucky and get 3 points.
Moyes gets new players and young players but sticks with the same old underachievers and the struggle goes on.
If Moyes had any guts, he would realise that he is a Championship manager, content with that level of playing and thinking, and should help us out of our misery by quitting. There is absolutely no sign that he is moving this team to challenge for anything. Nothing but negativity seems to be his criteria, try to hold out as long as possible and hope to snatch a lucky goal to get a result. Everton are the worst equipped team to do that.
Jags is poor by his standards; Distin's days are numbered; whenever Hibbert's best days were, they are long gone; as are Osman's and Cahill's. Bily never was a factor; Saha and Anichebe will cease to be soon.
So how bad are Barkley, Drenthe, Stracqualursi and Vellios if they cannot get to start a Premier League game? Neville and Heitinga are erratic. Only Baines, Howard, Rodwell and Fellaini seem to have any consistency this season.
We have a poor squad with an even poorer manager.
Say it as it is, shithouse football, from a shithouse manager, working for a shithouse chairmen.
Get rid ? it's awful.
Only 5 of City's starting 11 that night, started today.
Whereas, replace Anichebe with Hibbert and the Everton line-up was the same.
I've always been a Moyes admirer, for the fine work he has done keeping us in the upper echelons of the PL, despite being hamstrung by a board, that fail to find any investment year after year after year.
So I lay the blame for our lack of ambition and paper-thin squad, firmly at the foot of the boardroom door...
But, Moyes also has to accept responsibility for today's total lack of intent to score a goal. Anichebe has his detractors, but he is a striker, so when choosing his team today why did Moyes substitute a right back for a striker from his winning formula of last year? Why did he not give us at least one outlet, in a team devoid of pace?
And as for Neville, well maybe his booking stifled his competitiveness, and he played in mid-week, but he was a bystander for most of the game and largely ineffective, a total mystery to me why he remained on the pitch for so long.
Moyes has surprised me in the past and I hope he pulls a rabbit out of the hat next week. Surely, at home in front of a packed house, we'll see a goalscorer starting for the mighty Blues!
Our duty now is to determine the cause of our being shite.
Are we shite because we have no money or are we shite because our manager is shite?
Of course, there are many other explanatory models to which we could take recourse but, however we look at things, the fact remains that we are shite.
Of course, our disputations will come to nothing, as they will turn into another dogfight between those for and those against the Ancien Régime, and the outcome of this battle of wills may well be at variance with the wishes of both.
Be that as it may, there is one vital point on which we all agree: we all want Everton to be successful.
We have five nasty games coming up. There will be new additions to the ranks of those who want to do away with the Kenwright-Moyes configuration . The contradictions in the system will become palpable during the course of the coming weeks. The skies will darken, vultures will gather, heads will roll...
The squad is stale, the tactics are grim and the coach has been here too long.
I can assure you, mate, that I am a Toffee till the day I die, but I am so frustrated with the idiots we have in charge which includes David Moyes. I feel the only way I can show my feelings is not to give any more of my hard-earned cash to them.
I have never rated Moyes as he has never showed any balls with his selections and always gives the opposition too much respect, playing 5 in midfield with shit players like Osman, Neville and Hibbert still getting in the team when they are clearly cack. This will never change and I am tired off supporting a club which makes me feel depressed all the time.
We sell our best players and never buy anybody, we constantly get bullshited to by the likes of BK about stuff like the £80M ring-fenced for Kirby!! These idiots clearly don't respect the fans which they have shown time and time again so I ask you: How long do we continue to put up with this bullshit before we say enough is enough? Or do we carry on and just accept it until we are in the 4th Division.
Moyes should fuck off and take that fat shit-talking BK with him, I couldn't give a flying fuck whether he is a fan or not, as a chairman he has been detrimental to the club and Moyes has achieved fuck all in 10 years so how is he rated as one of the best in the League? The Managers who vote for him must have shit in their eyes.
What people expect? We are 'punching above our weight' according to the brainwashed 'apologists'.
Some of the comments on this thread are a disgrace. We're fucked because our manager has to sell his best players and cant even afford loanees
Yes they have invested 500M and when we beat them they had invested 150M and 300M over the 2 seasons.
So where is the tipping point?? just when did the money gap get too much? 350M 380M 410M.
No, we beat them coz Mancini didn't play the players he had properly ( and / or maybe they didn't put the effort in )
They beat us for more or less the same reason. Moyes didn't set the team out to maximise it's strengths aka not one forward.
Until he does give us this maximum advantage at the start we will never know if ' what if ' will work
Right now Me and many others and not a grade one fifa coaching badge to bless ourselves with, know ' whats not ' working.
Ultra cautious surrender monkey, making a poor situation worse.
If a 0-2 is acceptable (and it appears to our 'Presbyterian' manager it is) why not START 4-4-2 and then IF you go 2 down, revert to 4-6?
Why ALWAYS start this type of game saying 'We're going to give you NOTHING to think about defensively, see if you can score past us.
What about some sort of element of surprise?
Anyone think Mancini/City DIDN'T know what our game 'plan' was going to be yesterday?
Yes to a degree it was a case of their owner's money beating our owner's lack of money 2-0, but ffs you HAVE to give them SOMETHING to think about.
I think Napoleon said something along the lines of 'any army that tries to win a battle from a defensive position is beaten'.
(true for France in WWII and true for us yesterday).
Also there's a time factor.
If you have a couple of attackers on, you probably spend less time defending as (occasionally) you're giving the opposition problems to deal with.
So if you allow a team to attack for 90 mins instead of 75, you (surely) increase their chance of scoring.
Yes we beat them last year playing in a not dissimilar way, which is EXACTLY why we should have showed up yesterday with something different.
What was it George W said?
"Fool me once, shame on you...er...me, fool me once..um twice...no..if I fool you twice shame on you..once".
Ex-ACTLY!
Man City has been built from the back, the first few hundred million was mostly spent on defensive players. The tipping point was the last couple of spending sprees on top attacking players like Silva Nasri Aguaro and Bolloteli.
Mancini did play his players properly in the past when his best players were defensive, now his best players are attack minded and all match winners. If Moyes could afford those players he would have an attacking line up as well.
I posted a few quotes from the Fulham v Man City game on another thread, one of them was ' Fulham still trying to find a winner as well ' Surely we're better than Fulham ? So if they can have - a - go, then why can't we?
The players must believe they can beat anyone. We are talking about an Everton side full of international quality players. Fellaini, Saha, Baines, Howard, Drenthe, Distin, Cahill, Bily. I know I'd at least take some of them over what City had.
City have spent massively and they do have a massive squad, but they can only put out 11 half-motivated players on the pitch at once. They do have in Aguero and Silva two world-class players, but it is still a team effort and we can still beat that team if we apply ourselves and have a bit of belief.
If we went there with even the slightest attacking intent and played well but lost 4-1 because City have some brilliant players then we can argue that it is down to resources. I'd have taken that any day over yesterdays 2-0 loss in which the manager showed he had no backbone.
If your attitude is that you are not good enough to beat someone, even before a ball is kicked then that attitude is cancerous. It spreads and it is dangerous. I'm worried about the message this sends to our players.
Nah. Moyes has lost it
You posted the night before the match that your ideal team for the match would not have Billy in it
"My ideal team would have Saha instead of Cahill and Cahill(I just have a good feeling about him tomorrow) instead of Bily"
After the game you are criticising Moyes and telling us in your opinion he should have started Billy
"What could Moyes have done differently? Well, we needed pace so Drenthe should have started. We needed guile. In the absence of Kevin Sheedy I'd start Bily."
Yesterday was a new low. If you feel the need to defend it then at least do it with some facts.
Have to say the people defending this conference league team cup tie style of play are no doubt the Kirkby yes voters well I have a question for you: will it be acceptable for the same team to start Derby day at home?
Moyes has not won at Anfield ever because of these lame tactics, even losing to ten men on more than one occasion.
Next question has to be same tactics, outcome: draw How many Kirkby yes voters would be happy with that? If there is any who would own up to it...
Next question has to be same tactics, outcome: draw How many Kirkby yes voters would be happy with that? If there is any who would own up to it...
Correct mate. I think Andy makes it up as he goes along.
This from the man who said "Shane Duffy is Everton's greatest asset."
He's now at Scunthorpe.
We have a lousy squad with a lousy manager and a blase' chairman.
Question-if the next 5 games do not produce anything worthwhile will Bill still be backing Davie and will Davie still be defending his decisions and tactics?
Be sure they will. They've sold the season tickets and they're guaranteed their T.V. money so they don't really give a monkey's as long as the books look good at the end of the season.
Showing apathy has become the norm at Goodison and Kenright is wallowing in it.
Until they are both gone we will be a second rate outfit.
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1 Posted 24/09/2011 at 18:53:52
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I am so glad his tactics did not work out. A 0-0 scoreline would have justified his plan. I am sorry we got beat but get used to it; if you play without strikers, don't expect to score many goals.