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(MAYBE) he will go for it?
28 Comments: What's is the fundamental difference between a league and a cup match?
The answer is that you can't gain a solitary point for a draw in a cup match. So we can't line up hoping to snatch a point.
Tomorrow's game against Chelsea presents the perfect oppurtunity to put out an attacking team in a home game with that mideek night-time special Goodison atmosphere. What's to loose?? Nothing!
Only thing to loose is we go out of a cup we have never won and probably won't in the near future.
So come on Moyesy... surprise us all. No lone striker... no Osman on the left... let's just go for it.
There can be nothing to fear from Chelsea because they showed us how to play decent football only 10 days ago... so let's show them we are better than that dismal performance.
There really is nothing to loose tomorrow evening. Come on Moyesy... leave the 4-5-1 till the weekend at least.
John Crook, Posted 25/10/2011 at 13:27:11
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How about:
Howard
Neville Heitinga Distin Baines
Drenthe Fellaini Rodwell Coleman
Barkley
Vellios or Saha
Howard
Neville Heitinga Distin Baines
Drenthe Fellaini Rodwell Coleman
Barkley
Vellios or Saha
I would put Coleman at right back, drop Neville and play Saha and Vellois up front. That would be our best attacking line up but it isn't going to happen. Drenthe cutting inside taking a few defenders with him and then passing wide to an overlapping Coleman who charges into the box and picks out either Saha or Vell or even a wide open Drenthe who has continued his run into space. I think I am going to e-mail this to Moyes!
Bit harsh Andrew #1. The lad scores and gets and assist in the Fulham game and you cant find a place for hmi on the wing......
Kidding asied, presume you meant Drenthe and Barkely on the wings?
Dont think we'll be seeing much of Barkely until he can sign a new contract in Dec (I think).
Kidding asied, presume you meant Drenthe and Barkely on the wings?
Dont think we'll be seeing much of Barkely until he can sign a new contract in Dec (I think).
Howard
Coleman Heitinga Distin Baines
Drenthe Felliani Rodwell Gueye
Barkley
Vellios
This gives Coleman a game in his real position. Heitinga is going to be pissed if he doesn't play this game (and Jags has hardly been on fire this season). We need to show Barkley he is in the plans so that he signs his contract when he turns 18 9i'd have him start anyway). Vellios gets another start, but we still have the nucleus of Moyes' squad. Saha and Cahil to come on as impact subs if needed.
Coleman Heitinga Distin Baines
Drenthe Felliani Rodwell Gueye
Barkley
Vellios
This gives Coleman a game in his real position. Heitinga is going to be pissed if he doesn't play this game (and Jags has hardly been on fire this season). We need to show Barkley he is in the plans so that he signs his contract when he turns 18 9i'd have him start anyway). Vellios gets another start, but we still have the nucleus of Moyes' squad. Saha and Cahil to come on as impact subs if needed.
Even if a case can be made for the typical approach to League matches we see from Moyes, I'd really like to see him be a lot bolder in cup matches. Our record in cup competitions is generally poor under Moyes so I don't think we've really got much to lose, & possibly much to gain.
I had a dream "Hibbert" scored a goal this morning.. was really weird.. and he decided to do a lap to celebrate as it occurred on half time.. lol.. The commentators were saying how the crown was going mental!
Anyways.. Moyes, have no fear.. All out!
Chelsea are vulnerable and we're good against them these days, long as not def!!
----------------- HOWARD -----------------
Hibbert----Heitinga--Distin----Baines
Coleman--Rodwell-Barkley--Drenthe
-----------Saha-----------Vellios-----------
Sub : Cahill, Fellaini, Bilyletdinov, Neville
Guaye, Jagielka, Mucha
Anyways.. Moyes, have no fear.. All out!
Chelsea are vulnerable and we're good against them these days, long as not def!!
----------------- HOWARD -----------------
Hibbert----Heitinga--Distin----Baines
Coleman--Rodwell-Barkley--Drenthe
-----------Saha-----------Vellios-----------
Sub : Cahill, Fellaini, Bilyletdinov, Neville
Guaye, Jagielka, Mucha
*crowd* went mental.
No the Royal family didn't care ;)
No the Royal family didn't care ;)
I know we've been through this before, but very "loose" spelling. Otherwise I agree. From Mr Pedant.
It means nothing if we lose, try telling that to Fulham (?) when they put a cack side out last season in the Europa League, got beat and then slumped for quite a number of games. (I think it was Fulham......can't remember)
On the other hand, I hope he does play two up top but not Saha, as he will no doubt get injured, which he usually does after he scores
On the other hand, I hope he does play two up top but not Saha, as he will no doubt get injured, which he usually does after he scores
highly unlikely.
Moyes will go with his usual keep it tight and see if we can nick something attitude.
Then when we go a goal down he doesn't have a clue what to do.
Moyes will go with his usual keep it tight and see if we can nick something attitude.
Then when we go a goal down he doesn't have a clue what to do.
Try to win every game. If the League Cup doesn't matter, then why do we bother? It's a chance for a boost.
As many have said already, we have nothing to lose in this game. We haven't been pulling up trees lately & as I think Chelsea won't put out a strong team tomorrow night, I would mix the team up a lot more than usual, just for others to show what they can do:-
Mucha
Coleman Heitinga Distin Garbutt
Drenthe Barkley Rodwell Bilyaletdinov
Stracqualursi Vellios
A bit radical to above line-ups from other contributors, but what have we got to lose & it's games like this we can experiment a little.
Mucha
Coleman Heitinga Distin Garbutt
Drenthe Barkley Rodwell Bilyaletdinov
Stracqualursi Vellios
A bit radical to above line-ups from other contributors, but what have we got to lose & it's games like this we can experiment a little.
Why not give Denis a chance? Moyes may not like what he sees in training... in which case, why is he on the bench? Also, some players are simply poor trainers. Let's see what he can do.
Carling Cup is a route into Europe and some may argue that we have a better chance to qualify for Europa League through the Carling Cup than finishing 7th at worst in the League. We should play our strongest side against Chelsea who we already know are going to put out their youth side (Abramovich's orders).
Which game would we rather win this week ? Chelsea or Man Utd?...
Which game would we rather win this week ? Chelsea or Man Utd?...
"lose" not "loose"!
I don't think Moyes will mess with the team too much after the Fulham game. It will be interesting to see who gets to play in goal. Will he risk Mucha again? Hahnemann maybe? I would love to see Barkley play again, and maybe Dennis!
One thing has given me a shake-up since Drenthe came in, is how quick, powerful and just plain energetic he looks compared to Osman, Fellaini, Rodwell and a few others. A real breath of fresh air, more like him please!!
One thing has given me a shake-up since Drenthe came in, is how quick, powerful and just plain energetic he looks compared to Osman, Fellaini, Rodwell and a few others. A real breath of fresh air, more like him please!!
Think he will keep the same team exept Heitinga for Jags. Otherwise maybe Straq for Veliios would be a good idea. He needs to be match fit now.plus we need the extra competition for Saha.
I fear he will revert back to his old habits like when we played chelsea, I mean he will use the team that he used then again this time. Drenthe should start no doubt. Straq should also be given a chance alongside Saha. Barkley can come on later on. Lets give Billy some time in the cahill role too.
I fear he will revert back to his old habits like when we played chelsea, I mean he will use the team that he used then again this time. Drenthe should start no doubt. Straq should also be given a chance alongside Saha. Barkley can come on later on. Lets give Billy some time in the cahill role too.
I have a feeling there will be maybe 4 changes for tomorrow:
? Mucha for Howard, I think playing him in the cup games is a way of keeping him sweet.
? Heitinga for Jags, ditto.
? Gueye for Ossie.
? Lastly, he may well play Stracq and Vellios together. Meaning IMO the line-up could be:
Mucha
Baines, Distin, Heitinga, Hibbert,
Gueye, Rodwell, Fellaini, Drenthe,
Vellios, Stracqualursi.
If nothing else, we'd have options going forward!
? Mucha for Howard, I think playing him in the cup games is a way of keeping him sweet.
? Heitinga for Jags, ditto.
? Gueye for Ossie.
? Lastly, he may well play Stracq and Vellios together. Meaning IMO the line-up could be:
Mucha
Baines, Distin, Heitinga, Hibbert,
Gueye, Rodwell, Fellaini, Drenthe,
Vellios, Stracqualursi.
If nothing else, we'd have options going forward!
"Will be interesting to see who gets to play in goal. Will he risk Mucha again? Hahnemann maybe?"
Shit. I wouldn't put it past Moyes to try and play them both.
I also can't see him playing two up front or leaving Cahill on the bench two games in a row.
The three players I would actually want to see get a start for a change are Heitinga (provided it's at centre half), Barkley (to give a bit of drive from midfield) and Gueye (because he's not Bily or Osman).
Shit. I wouldn't put it past Moyes to try and play them both.
I also can't see him playing two up front or leaving Cahill on the bench two games in a row.
The three players I would actually want to see get a start for a change are Heitinga (provided it's at centre half), Barkley (to give a bit of drive from midfield) and Gueye (because he's not Bily or Osman).
I can't see why we shouldn't give it a good crack. It's a one off cup game, we don't expect to do well in the competition and we owe the glory hunting cockney bastards one anyway.
Let's face it, this is still the Mickey Mouse Cup. With Manure coming up on Saturday and Chelski to play the Gunners, I believe both managers will for sure play fringe players and not really care about the result. The top clubs have always treated it the same way and if Everton still want to be in that elite group then they have to treat it the same way.
Youngsters and newbies will be selected. Even Howard will be rested again. A perfect opportunity for these guys to impress as Chelski have some impressive second stringers. Saturday's game will be much more important and they don't want any regulars getting injured for that one.
Youngsters and newbies will be selected. Even Howard will be rested again. A perfect opportunity for these guys to impress as Chelski have some impressive second stringers. Saturday's game will be much more important and they don't want any regulars getting injured for that one.
I suspect they'll fuck us over.
Only chance of Europe. Put our best team out; game against the Mancs will take care of itself.
Why are most people naming Barkley behind the striker? First of all it's the dreaded 4-5-1 that if it had Osman or Cahill there would immediately be a negative team.
Any of Bily, Barkley or Gueye there and suddenly it's a great team. This is despite the fact that Barkley won't be playing for a while according to Moyes and has also played in that position only once for the first team in what was a poor performance against West Brom.
I would be very surpirsed if Everton line up like that with Barkley there tonight. McFadden probably has more chance of being in there and that says everything,
Any of Bily, Barkley or Gueye there and suddenly it's a great team. This is despite the fact that Barkley won't be playing for a while according to Moyes and has also played in that position only once for the first team in what was a poor performance against West Brom.
I would be very surpirsed if Everton line up like that with Barkley there tonight. McFadden probably has more chance of being in there and that says everything,
The thing is Tom, with the top teams playing their second string in games, it is our only realistic chance of any silverware.
No I don't think Everton should treat the Carling Cup the same way as some of the other clubs, that is by putting out a weaker team. I think David Moyes has done this in the past and Everton have usually been beaten. Everton have never won the League Cup and I would like to see them win it at least once.
Mucha played in goal tonight and had a bit of a nightmare, I saw the highlights and was less than impressed at times. Moyes did put out a strong side but even then we could not put the game to bed in normal time and they got us in the end.
Mickey Mouse crap or not, it's still a domestic trophy and one we seem incapable of winning. I don't think I'll live to see the day we ever win this; only the FA Cup remains now and have to remain hopeful, even though morale is a bit low this night.
Mickey Mouse crap or not, it's still a domestic trophy and one we seem incapable of winning. I don't think I'll live to see the day we ever win this; only the FA Cup remains now and have to remain hopeful, even though morale is a bit low this night.
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