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Sunderland sniffing around Pienaar
16/05/2012 | 
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Amid reports that Tottenham want as much as £5m for Steven Pienaar, Sunderland are said to be lining up a bid for the South African.
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The 30 year-old's emotional interview after the season closer against Newcastle suggests that he'd rather stay at Goodison Park but such a price would probably be well beyond David Moyes's budget.
The Blues' boss would surely balk at paying so much for a player in the later years of his career even if he had that much cash to splash this summer.
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James (624) I would probably agree with you, but part of me still remembers that he refused his new contract and left. It's not as if we sold him, it was he who wanted the move and now it looks like he's realised that he had it so well at Everton and wants to come back.
If he agrees terms as he had before then I'd have him back, but I certainly wouldn't keep chasing someone who wants money, money, money
If he agrees terms as he had before then I'd have him back, but I certainly wouldn't keep chasing someone who wants money, money, money
Chris, he wanted to move on because we wouldn't match his wages with Arteta's... Can you blame him? If memory serves, it was he who had most recently received Player of the Season, not Arteta, and he who in hindsight made a bigger impact for the team.
I don't hold a grudge with the fact that he maybe felt he was undervalued and wanted to test himself on potentially a bigger stage with his last contract, ie, Champions League. I think it's a bit harsh to label him who wants money, money, money. You can see the place this club holds in his heart.
I don't hold a grudge with the fact that he maybe felt he was undervalued and wanted to test himself on potentially a bigger stage with his last contract, ie, Champions League. I think it's a bit harsh to label him who wants money, money, money. You can see the place this club holds in his heart.
We're in such deep financial shit that we can't afford £5m for a player we so obviously need and who so obvioulsy wants to play for us.
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James(624) When we sold him for £2 million? And hes a year older?
Dont get me wrong i think £5 million represents good value for the player, but do you seriously think we are gonna do that?!
Ive said on a previous thread this is one of the reasons Spurs did the deal, it was a win win even if it didnt work out.
Hes got a 2 years left on his deal. Spurs will maximise and the only way we could do it is if we offered a 3 year deal and spread the payments very thin. He's a good player in great form and will be in demand.
A 3 year deal is, again, still good value as he's not the paciest, rarely injured and in great condition. He can play till his mid 30's if he wants, no problem. Didnt he used to be a champion cross country runner as a teen or something? Hence his work rate and stamina.
But i honestly wouldnt build up your hopes James, we ballsed this one up.
The contract offer was absurd, he was at least as important as Arteta when he left as he was more consistent and injured a lot less when he left and deserved parity. He got better and better throughout his time at the club.
Clearly a mistake as we then got massively undercut on his real value. We didnt sell even when it was obvious he rightly wasnt going to re-sign. We were cost cutting at the time though so maybe we couldnt go any higher, who knows.
Unless we can pull a rabbit out of the hat it looks as if we may have hurt ourselves, again.
Dont get me wrong i think £5 million represents good value for the player, but do you seriously think we are gonna do that?!
Ive said on a previous thread this is one of the reasons Spurs did the deal, it was a win win even if it didnt work out.
Hes got a 2 years left on his deal. Spurs will maximise and the only way we could do it is if we offered a 3 year deal and spread the payments very thin. He's a good player in great form and will be in demand.
A 3 year deal is, again, still good value as he's not the paciest, rarely injured and in great condition. He can play till his mid 30's if he wants, no problem. Didnt he used to be a champion cross country runner as a teen or something? Hence his work rate and stamina.
But i honestly wouldnt build up your hopes James, we ballsed this one up.
The contract offer was absurd, he was at least as important as Arteta when he left as he was more consistent and injured a lot less when he left and deserved parity. He got better and better throughout his time at the club.
Clearly a mistake as we then got massively undercut on his real value. We didnt sell even when it was obvious he rightly wasnt going to re-sign. We were cost cutting at the time though so maybe we couldnt go any higher, who knows.
Unless we can pull a rabbit out of the hat it looks as if we may have hurt ourselves, again.
I'm not sure pienaar warranted at the time having the same wages as arteta.
And since arteta was then sold to a top 4 club for good money and has prospered, and pienaar didn't, I think that speaks for itself that arteta's stock was higher.
I know some of you will say he was a good player that season, and not increasing his offer by 10k a week or whatever it was, was short sighted. But thats not how football finances work. If we had increased his wage to the same as arteta's, what do you think what would happened then? Yup, you got it, its not rocket science. Arteta, cahill, neville (or their agents) etc etc would all be lining up outside the office for an increase too. Suddenly, our wage bill goes up a lot more than 10k per week.
Thats life...
And since arteta was then sold to a top 4 club for good money and has prospered, and pienaar didn't, I think that speaks for itself that arteta's stock was higher.
I know some of you will say he was a good player that season, and not increasing his offer by 10k a week or whatever it was, was short sighted. But thats not how football finances work. If we had increased his wage to the same as arteta's, what do you think what would happened then? Yup, you got it, its not rocket science. Arteta, cahill, neville (or their agents) etc etc would all be lining up outside the office for an increase too. Suddenly, our wage bill goes up a lot more than 10k per week.
Thats life...
Oh and p.s. - sometimes players have contracts that state they must be the highest earner at a club.
So again, increasing one wage can automatically increase others....
So again, increasing one wage can automatically increase others....
Arteta's wages were put up to hold him for sale the next year, we tried a bit of brinkmanship with Pienaar and it backfired. I'm pretty sure we offered him the wages, or close to, in the end but the damage was done and he'd made his mind up to leave.
Not sure where this information about wages has come from, sounds a lot more like speculation. Players can leave for loads of reasons and it's not always about wages.
As for bringing him back, the decision can't be based on the past, I know everyone wants to look back an say we could have, should have etc, but history can't be changed. The question on the table is how much is he worth today? Scott Parker two years older and Tot paid £5.5m for him, so £5m for Pienaar would prove a bargain.
From a Tot prospective is was bad business, spent money on a player who hardly played and now does not want to be at the club. Pienaar can help the situation, handing in a transfer request, making it public he only wants to go to Everton. Time will tell on this one, but hopefully it will be a quick deal.
As for bringing him back, the decision can't be based on the past, I know everyone wants to look back an say we could have, should have etc, but history can't be changed. The question on the table is how much is he worth today? Scott Parker two years older and Tot paid £5.5m for him, so £5m for Pienaar would prove a bargain.
From a Tot prospective is was bad business, spent money on a player who hardly played and now does not want to be at the club. Pienaar can help the situation, handing in a transfer request, making it public he only wants to go to Everton. Time will tell on this one, but hopefully it will be a quick deal.
I suspect that the likes of Sunderland, QPR and Newcastle are likely to frustrate us all Summer by outbidding us both in terms of transfer fee and wages.
Everybody is assuming that Pienaar will either stay at Spurs or come here but don't be surprised if other teams throw their hat into the ring...
Everybody is assuming that Pienaar will either stay at Spurs or come here but don't be surprised if other teams throw their hat into the ring...
Pienaar will NOT go anywere else in England, I guarantee that! He will either go back to Spurs or stay with us if we can sort out a financial package. I would imagine that Redknapp will spend cash this summer again and therefore will let us have Pienaar for similar to what we sold him for! We need this sorting out early though!
Tim:
If he is indeed a money grabber he won't issue a transfer request for fear of missing out on a whopping loyalty bonus &/or a transfer fee percentage.
Time will tell on this one. If he's that desperate to join us player power will ensure it happens at the right price.
If he is indeed a money grabber he won't issue a transfer request for fear of missing out on a whopping loyalty bonus &/or a transfer fee percentage.
Time will tell on this one. If he's that desperate to join us player power will ensure it happens at the right price.
Player power will be important too, if he really does want to come to us he can take a lower wage than those offered by the other clubs. Somehow doubt it though, God won't allow him to accept less money...halleluhah
If it were as simple as the club that offers Spurs the most gets him (nb: and I accept that MIGHT be the case) then we have no chance and he'll be gone.
Especially if Pienaar himself (ie: his agent) doesn't say anything
But what if....he did?
What if, while chatting to supporters, he/his agent was 'secretly' filmed on a mobile?
And what if, in this unguarded moment, he 'let it slip' that although he held Spurs in the highest regard, he had come to realise that Everton were the only club he wanted to play for and that he simply didn't want to go anywhere else?
Well ok, that IS all rather fanciful and far-fetched (but if it ACTUALLY happened and such a clip WAS 'out there', Sunderland or whoever would surely lose interest and Spurs' choice would be bring back an unhappy player or sell him for realistic money to us).
One thing I am sure of though, if it means keeping the player AND saving a couple of million, we're going to need to be a bit more imaginative than holding out until the last day then..caving in.
Especially if Pienaar himself (ie: his agent) doesn't say anything
But what if....he did?
What if, while chatting to supporters, he/his agent was 'secretly' filmed on a mobile?
And what if, in this unguarded moment, he 'let it slip' that although he held Spurs in the highest regard, he had come to realise that Everton were the only club he wanted to play for and that he simply didn't want to go anywhere else?
Well ok, that IS all rather fanciful and far-fetched (but if it ACTUALLY happened and such a clip WAS 'out there', Sunderland or whoever would surely lose interest and Spurs' choice would be bring back an unhappy player or sell him for realistic money to us).
One thing I am sure of though, if it means keeping the player AND saving a couple of million, we're going to need to be a bit more imaginative than holding out until the last day then..caving in.
"I'm not sure Pienaar warranted at the time having the same wages as Arteta!"
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Amen.
The comparisons being made with Arteta are being made in a season when Arteta was coming back from having his knee hang out of his leg...
Pienaar has been great since he's been back ? and I wouldn't cry if we signed him... but the most obvious thing about his Everton career for me has been inconsistency. Something that's conveniently glossed over...
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Amen.
The comparisons being made with Arteta are being made in a season when Arteta was coming back from having his knee hang out of his leg...
Pienaar has been great since he's been back ? and I wouldn't cry if we signed him... but the most obvious thing about his Everton career for me has been inconsistency. Something that's conveniently glossed over...
I think is not entirely fair to compare the old Pienaar and post-spurs one as the latter returned as a better player. So 5M is getting us a entirely new and better player. That said our strategy should be to offload Osman to spuds and a year later buy back the scouse Xavi according to many on TW.
I've said this before a few times but its his own fault.At their best Pienaar could not touch Arteta and I dont think he was worth paying £75k a week.He was still offered a very good contract and chose to leave,he wasnt forced out.
I would take him back no problem but would not pay a lot for him and I would offer reduced wages to what was on offer last time.
I would take him back no problem but would not pay a lot for him and I would offer reduced wages to what was on offer last time.
Have to say that much as i think he has been superb for us in the last 6 months i wonder at the wisdom of a club of our means spending 5m on a player with no re-sale value and probably only 2-3 seasons at his peak. Would that money perhaps be better spent on someone like Matt Jarvis who at 25 has his best years ahead of him and could even get back into the england team and fetch us a hefty profit in a few years time (if downing is worth 20m!!). Not saying i don't 100% want Stevie P back here but how much of our 'war chest' is he worth because 5m would probably be the lot!
If we have any aspirations whatsoever for improving then we have to keep Pienaar. There's a lot fo rumours (never to be believed with Everton) that the money for Pienaar has been ringfenced (another term never to be believed with Everton). If we don't get Pienaar as a minimum this summer then what message does that say to our big players? Baines isn't going to lose his best mate on the wing again and have to face the prospect of a season behind Gueye or McFadden. He'll be off after he's spent some time with the big 4 club at the Euros. Heitinga likewise was made up when Pienaar came back, not getting him back and watching some backwater club like Sunderland take him would be too much for most Everton fans and players. makes me shudder to think that he could of ended up at Stoke or QPR. Hughes has always wanted to poach our players, I'm sure they'll be outbidding us as well.
But Paul, at the time Pienaar WAS a better player than the 75k Arteta.
Sam #647, you forgot Stoke from the list of teams likely to outspend us in the summer, and quite possibly Swansea and Norwich too!
Sam #647, you forgot Stoke from the list of teams likely to outspend us in the summer, and quite possibly Swansea and Norwich too!
I dont know where the £5mill comes from, but i do know that the higher our league position is the more money we get. So if Pienaar helps us get higher in the league he almost pays for himself.
The other factor is if Spurs get champions league they will want to keep him, bigger squad , european experiance etc etc , if they dont they will probably sell. If Pienaar wants to come back he can almost dictate a price or sit on a decent wage for 2 more years, my guess would be as he wanted the Jan move to play football and he does play good football with us we will see him back here soon.
One last thing £5mill for Pienaar, £5mill for Donovan £2mill for Naithsmith =£12mill, surely we'd get that for Rodwell.
The other factor is if Spurs get champions league they will want to keep him, bigger squad , european experiance etc etc , if they dont they will probably sell. If Pienaar wants to come back he can almost dictate a price or sit on a decent wage for 2 more years, my guess would be as he wanted the Jan move to play football and he does play good football with us we will see him back here soon.
One last thing £5mill for Pienaar, £5mill for Donovan £2mill for Naithsmith =£12mill, surely we'd get that for Rodwell.
Eric
I agree I have never seen a players form drop as dramatically as Arteta's but he is still a better player than Pienaar and Pienaar is a better player now than when he wanted £75k a week.
I agree I have never seen a players form drop as dramatically as Arteta's but he is still a better player than Pienaar and Pienaar is a better player now than when he wanted £75k a week.
Question - is Pienaar worth say £5 million fee and £75k wages per week.
Remember Wembley? Its all ifs buts and maybes but if we had pienaar in our side we may well have lifted the cup - so the question is do you invest in proven quality that costs more or go for unproven cheaper alternatives - depends whether we want to win anything.
So is he worth it - IMO definitely
Remember Wembley? Its all ifs buts and maybes but if we had pienaar in our side we may well have lifted the cup - so the question is do you invest in proven quality that costs more or go for unproven cheaper alternatives - depends whether we want to win anything.
So is he worth it - IMO definitely
Jason Lam 659
Many a true word said in jest, I think Pienaar post Spurs is twice the player, dynamic, pacey with end product - INCLUDING GOALS.
Does make you question the coaching at Everton compared to Totters though.
Imagine money will talk - so thanks peanuts you showed what can be done.
Many a true word said in jest, I think Pienaar post Spurs is twice the player, dynamic, pacey with end product - INCLUDING GOALS.
Does make you question the coaching at Everton compared to Totters though.
Imagine money will talk - so thanks peanuts you showed what can be done.
Paul Joy, totally agree, spend that money on someone who you know is 100% going to do it for us and instantly too, or risk wasting money on a Bily or even someone who may take 12 months to get going, its a no brainer.
Paul (670) it's not (for me) about who is a 'better player', it is about who is more effective within the team.
Imo, Piennar has been very effective player for us since he returned (nb: and Spurs coming in for him when they did, suggests he was not disgracing himself before he left).
Arteta, as good a player as he is, was giving the team very little in the 12 months before he left.
Maybe his heart wasn't in it, maybe he was slowing up, maybe he needed the new challenge - whatever.
I wish him only the best, but right now, if I had the choice of one or the other, for this present side, it would be Pienaar, 100%.
Imo, Piennar has been very effective player for us since he returned (nb: and Spurs coming in for him when they did, suggests he was not disgracing himself before he left).
Arteta, as good a player as he is, was giving the team very little in the 12 months before he left.
Maybe his heart wasn't in it, maybe he was slowing up, maybe he needed the new challenge - whatever.
I wish him only the best, but right now, if I had the choice of one or the other, for this present side, it would be Pienaar, 100%.
The original mistake was not selling Pienaar in the summer, when he had 1 year left on his contract. We could have got £8 million for him (at a guess). We chose to sell him in January for around £2.5 million - you don't need to be a genius to realise that was a short sighted decision.
If possible, I would love to see him back here permanently, but realistically I don't think we can afford him. At best we might be able to get him on a season-long loan deal. If we can't manage that,I would love us to get Jarvis from Wolves. He's the right age, English, has ability, works hard and has a goal in him. I think he is the type of player Moyes could improve too, and might be available for less than the £5 million Spurs might want for Pienaar.
In an ideal world, I hope they are both playing for us next year.
If possible, I would love to see him back here permanently, but realistically I don't think we can afford him. At best we might be able to get him on a season-long loan deal. If we can't manage that,I would love us to get Jarvis from Wolves. He's the right age, English, has ability, works hard and has a goal in him. I think he is the type of player Moyes could improve too, and might be available for less than the £5 million Spurs might want for Pienaar.
In an ideal world, I hope they are both playing for us next year.
Eugene
Pienaar since he came back has been fantasic,playing a lot better than the last time he was here.Thats not to say he wasnt one of our best players last time he was here because he was but not enough to demand £75k a week.
Arteta was terrible in his last year especially the first few months of the season.
Pienaar since he came back has been fantasic,playing a lot better than the last time he was here.Thats not to say he wasnt one of our best players last time he was here because he was but not enough to demand £75k a week.
Arteta was terrible in his last year especially the first few months of the season.
Danny
Not selling Pienaar in the summer is another example of Moyes putting his stubborness ahead of whats best for the club.
Not selling Pienaar in the summer is another example of Moyes putting his stubborness ahead of whats best for the club.
I dont think anyone in the Everton squad should be on 75k a week. We already have Felli on that and we can barely afford it. Having Pienaar on around the same...can we really afford that too?
Much as I would like to have him back, if Spurs really do want 5m and he would expect 65-75k a week - I'm not sure we should be spending all the cash we (may not even) have this summer on just one player. He's been very important to us but we need to get him for a realistic price and a realistic contract - he's already in his 30s and will have no resale value.
If the guy is serious about wanting to come back and not in it just for the money, then he should hand in a transger request or say to spurs that he wants out. Anything short of that is simply holding out for the cash and we should look elsewhere. After all, its not like he was being paid peanuts (sorry) when he chose to reject the new contract offered and leave for spurs.
Much as I would like to have him back, if Spurs really do want 5m and he would expect 65-75k a week - I'm not sure we should be spending all the cash we (may not even) have this summer on just one player. He's been very important to us but we need to get him for a realistic price and a realistic contract - he's already in his 30s and will have no resale value.
If the guy is serious about wanting to come back and not in it just for the money, then he should hand in a transger request or say to spurs that he wants out. Anything short of that is simply holding out for the cash and we should look elsewhere. After all, its not like he was being paid peanuts (sorry) when he chose to reject the new contract offered and leave for spurs.
Lets say he did cost 4-5 million; he's 30 ffs not 40. If he was offered a 3 year deal and was flounderng after 2, someone like Sunderland or a Premier league newbie would pay 2 million for a seasoned pro.
He's a good player and one of the main reasons for finishing 7th as opposed to the bottom half.
Now, who can we sell to get the 4 or 5 million?
He's a good player and one of the main reasons for finishing 7th as opposed to the bottom half.
Now, who can we sell to get the 4 or 5 million?
Paul, Danny, as oft been said, "You can only sell when someone is buying".
Pienaar thought the World Cup would have been his shop window and expected loads of bids; he flopped bigtime and to our knowledge no bids at all were tendered for him.
Every club knew he wanted out and every manager knew that he was going to run down his contract, so why not wait six months and offer a derisory amount to save us from letting him go for nothing?... oh look! that's what happened.
To my knowledge, there were no reported bids for him, so how can we sell him when no-one was buying?
Pienaar thought the World Cup would have been his shop window and expected loads of bids; he flopped bigtime and to our knowledge no bids at all were tendered for him.
Every club knew he wanted out and every manager knew that he was going to run down his contract, so why not wait six months and offer a derisory amount to save us from letting him go for nothing?... oh look! that's what happened.
To my knowledge, there were no reported bids for him, so how can we sell him when no-one was buying?
Tony
I really dont get where you keep getting this "you can only sell if someone is buying" from?
Do you really think if Pienaar was put on the transfer list in the summer that wouldnt have generated interest?
I really dont get where you keep getting this "you can only sell if someone is buying" from?
Do you really think if Pienaar was put on the transfer list in the summer that wouldnt have generated interest?
Paul, do you really think teams who place players on a transfer list get top dollar?
Rumour mill information received from the same fella who told me about Drenthe.
The Pienaar deal is done and dusted, just arguing over the costs, Spuds want £4.5m, we want to pay £3m.
Rumour mill information received from the same fella who told me about Drenthe.
The Pienaar deal is done and dusted, just arguing over the costs, Spuds want £4.5m, we want to pay £3m.
Tony
Chelsea paid £6m for Benayoun that summer,I would have expected Pienaar to go for at least that but probably more.
No we wouldnt have got top dollar but one thing I do know is we would have got a lot more selling him in the summer rather than the winter.
Chelsea paid £6m for Benayoun that summer,I would have expected Pienaar to go for at least that but probably more.
No we wouldnt have got top dollar but one thing I do know is we would have got a lot more selling him in the summer rather than the winter.
Paul,
You can't mention a transfer or a players value unless the buying manager comes out and states it catergorically, even if it's all over the papers, sky news and everywhere else. Even club insiders talking openly about it in their local newspaper column doesn't count.
No matter how blindingly obvious something may be.
Thems the rules mate!!!
You can't mention a transfer or a players value unless the buying manager comes out and states it catergorically, even if it's all over the papers, sky news and everywhere else. Even club insiders talking openly about it in their local newspaper column doesn't count.
No matter how blindingly obvious something may be.
Thems the rules mate!!!
Pienarr is primarily a left sided player, and Sunderland's best player in the last 6 months has been James McClean, who plays on the left side...Re. Newcastle, their transfer business has been massively about sell on potential, and Pienarr offers none.
Regarding 5million...It clearly seems that Spurs do not want him, he is a year older, and most importantly, Spurs need money to invest in a striker and cb. Don't believe talk of 5million.
Most importantly, never ever ever, believe anything in the Daily Mail, Sport or otherwise.
Regarding 5million...It clearly seems that Spurs do not want him, he is a year older, and most importantly, Spurs need money to invest in a striker and cb. Don't believe talk of 5million.
Most importantly, never ever ever, believe anything in the Daily Mail, Sport or otherwise.
"The Pienaar deal is done and dusted, just arguing over the costs, Spurs want £4.5m, we want to pay £3m."
Hardly done and dusted then.
Hardly done and dusted then.
If we are to improve as a team next season, Pienaar is a must. Fair enough, he may be 30 but, with his style of play, age isn't a barrier. His game is all about ball retention, he is not blessed with blistering pace but he begins many of our attacks. Not only that but Baines is twice the player he is normally when he hooks up with him. He also had the most assists this season and he only arrived in January!
Surely we have £15m left over from last summer following the sales of Arteta/Beckford/Yakubu and the Yobo loan fee? Oh sorry, silly me..
Think Pienaar realistically is worth £5m if we sold him last year for £3m with 6 months left on contract (and therefore below normal value). Would definitely make a big effort to get him given the impact he's had on our second half of the season
Think Pienaar realistically is worth £5m if we sold him last year for £3m with 6 months left on contract (and therefore below normal value). Would definitely make a big effort to get him given the impact he's had on our second half of the season
Give Spurs Jags (if then need a cb) and get Pienaar, Krancjar and Kyle Naughton in return...
The key player in this deal could be Modric. If he puts up his usual 'I want out', especially if a Chelsea win knock Spurs out of the CL, then Redknapp may refuse to sell. Ideally, we would like Pienaar in for the first day of pre-season but I think that is unlikely. You can imagine Modric being sold to Chelsea or Madrid or some financially powerful club on Deadline Day meaning Pienaar might have to stay at Spurs if they haven't got a replacement lined up.
On the other hand, if we do have to wait till deadline day to get him then it won't be a big deal; he knows the club and the team inside out and will fit like a duck to water as he proved in January this year. Let's hope the Yobo money (eventually) covers at least the majority of the potential Pienaar fee.
On the other hand, if we do have to wait till deadline day to get him then it won't be a big deal; he knows the club and the team inside out and will fit like a duck to water as he proved in January this year. Let's hope the Yobo money (eventually) covers at least the majority of the potential Pienaar fee.
Pienaar left for CL football and we could have offered him 75k and it would not have made a difference once Chelsea and Spurs were in for him.
It didn't work out for him and to pick up that kind of player for 5m is a bloody bargain. If we don't get him we are well and truly up shit creek as the likes of other players we are linked with Jarvis etc are a massive step down in quality.
Pienaar is integral to a Moyes team playing well therefore if Moyes stays he must sign him.
It didn't work out for him and to pick up that kind of player for 5m is a bloody bargain. If we don't get him we are well and truly up shit creek as the likes of other players we are linked with Jarvis etc are a massive step down in quality.
Pienaar is integral to a Moyes team playing well therefore if Moyes stays he must sign him.
Tony,
To have got £8 million for Pienaar with 1 year left on his contract wouldn't have been top dollar, simply because his contract was running down. But I have no doubt we could have got it, because he was still a top player (regardless of how South Africa performed in the World Cup).
If you want to sell players you can generate interest by putting them on the transfer list. It's the football equivalent of the shop window. It doesn't mean you are selling at rock-bottom prices. Tevez was on the list for City. AC Milan became interested, but didn't meet City's valuation so he stayed.
To have got £8 million for Pienaar with 1 year left on his contract wouldn't have been top dollar, simply because his contract was running down. But I have no doubt we could have got it, because he was still a top player (regardless of how South Africa performed in the World Cup).
If you want to sell players you can generate interest by putting them on the transfer list. It's the football equivalent of the shop window. It doesn't mean you are selling at rock-bottom prices. Tevez was on the list for City. AC Milan became interested, but didn't meet City's valuation so he stayed.
Moyes, Moyes, Moyes.
Piennar left because ownership told him he wouldn't get a pay raise. Simple as. No manager controls the purse strings. Owners do.
Piennar left because ownership told him he wouldn't get a pay raise. Simple as. No manager controls the purse strings. Owners do.
I believe we have around 30,000 fans who will turn up at the match come what may.These people (us) wouldnt know what to do with ourselves if we didn go to the game.
But hardly a day goes by without somebody on here telling us they wont go if the entertaiment isnt up to scratch. at first I didnt accept that - I thought it was about winning, but there are too many saying it, for it not to be true
Pienaar may not be the most skillful player in the world (although he is skillful) but skill isnt everything, to play really good football you have to have good movement and there are times when I think Pienaars movement is a good as it gets. Its infectious too.
He may not be the best player we have ever had, but his his infectious enthusiasm and intelligent movement make Everton a much better watch.
Get him signed Kenwright lad.
Make it ABSOLUTE priority and and if we have to take a hit, then take the hit.
If 2-3 ,000 extra people turn up to see a team playing better football, surely it any "hit" would be short term.
What about offering them a deal with Neville as make Weight ? Arry`s been a long time admirer
But hardly a day goes by without somebody on here telling us they wont go if the entertaiment isnt up to scratch. at first I didnt accept that - I thought it was about winning, but there are too many saying it, for it not to be true
Pienaar may not be the most skillful player in the world (although he is skillful) but skill isnt everything, to play really good football you have to have good movement and there are times when I think Pienaars movement is a good as it gets. Its infectious too.
He may not be the best player we have ever had, but his his infectious enthusiasm and intelligent movement make Everton a much better watch.
Get him signed Kenwright lad.
Make it ABSOLUTE priority and and if we have to take a hit, then take the hit.
If 2-3 ,000 extra people turn up to see a team playing better football, surely it any "hit" would be short term.
What about offering them a deal with Neville as make Weight ? Arry`s been a long time admirer
the ONLY way I see Pienaar in an EFC shirt next season is if we get him back on loan from Spurs..... We can't afford to buy and have it make sense for Spurs and I don't see him in their long term plans.....
the ONLY way I see Pienaar in an EFC shirt next season is if we get him back on loan from Spurs..... We can't afford to buy and have it make sense for Spurs and I don't see him in their long term plans.....
the ONLY way I see Pienaar in an EFC shirt next season is if we get him back on loan from Spurs..... We can't afford to buy and have it make sense for Spurs and I don't see him in their long term plans.....
"Give Spurs Jags (if then need a cb) and get Pienaar, Krancjar and Kyle Naughton in return..."
That's my favourite bit of realistic Football Manager I've seen in a while. I'd like all three of those players, and I wouldn't want to lose Jagielka, but we have three other centre backs.
That's my favourite bit of realistic Football Manager I've seen in a while. I'd like all three of those players, and I wouldn't want to lose Jagielka, but we have three other centre backs.
Mike - spurs have always needed a decent centre half. It's a good shout, although they will probably make do and mend at the back and plough more money up front. It's why they always fall away.
The saddest part of all of this is we won't sign ANYONE for any form of cash.
Look at the last few pre-seasons and it's the same horrible story.
Where is all this cash coming from????
It's freebies or nothing and you all know it...
Look at the last few pre-seasons and it's the same horrible story.
Where is all this cash coming from????
It's freebies or nothing and you all know it...
Don't give Spurs a damn thing. And DO NOT finance a move in for Piennar by selling one of our top players. That's out.
Kenright and his have money to make these kind of moves (and them some). They just won't.
Look Bill, make it quick. If you etal have no intention of freeing up the cash, send Peanuts back and do it quickly to give Moyes options.
Kenright and his have money to make these kind of moves (and them some). They just won't.
Look Bill, make it quick. If you etal have no intention of freeing up the cash, send Peanuts back and do it quickly to give Moyes options.
Can't we loan him for another year?
I think if the club has to shell out a transfer fee, I'd be making it conditional on Pienaar covering some of that fee in reduced wages over the time of his contract.
Otherwise, I'd be looking to spend £5M(or less) on a player much younger but with similar potential. I think the barcodes got ben arfa for about £5M, so there are players like that out there available on loan with a view to a permanent move.
It also sends a message to the other players that the grass is not always greener and if you leave you're likely to be sat in the ressies.
Otherwise, I'd be looking to spend £5M(or less) on a player much younger but with similar potential. I think the barcodes got ben arfa for about £5M, so there are players like that out there available on loan with a view to a permanent move.
It also sends a message to the other players that the grass is not always greener and if you leave you're likely to be sat in the ressies.
Jimmy
£5m is still a bargain for someone of his ability. He is a must sign end of.
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Yeah, if he accepts about £35k a week. I don't think you can go above £4m for a 30-year-old unless you are Man Utd or such like. I would switch to getting Donovan for £4 m if we are priced out of Pienaar, as hard as that would be to take.
Best of all worlds would be Yobo paying for Pienaar or within half a million of.
£5m is still a bargain for someone of his ability. He is a must sign end of.
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Yeah, if he accepts about £35k a week. I don't think you can go above £4m for a 30-year-old unless you are Man Utd or such like. I would switch to getting Donovan for £4 m if we are priced out of Pienaar, as hard as that would be to take.
Best of all worlds would be Yobo paying for Pienaar or within half a million of.
Bobby Thomas
You do know that on top of the fee, that Spurs paid over £3 m in wages (and prob more on top for sign on and agent fees).
So I do not quite buy that they were always looking for a profit. And if they do sell, £5 m would just about pay them back for a player who hardly turned out for them.
You do know that on top of the fee, that Spurs paid over £3 m in wages (and prob more on top for sign on and agent fees).
So I do not quite buy that they were always looking for a profit. And if they do sell, £5 m would just about pay them back for a player who hardly turned out for them.
Roberto (025) - it might seem nit-picking, but your choice of words "..for a player who hardly turned out for them" suggests some intransigence on Pienaar's part. I think a fairer, more accurate description would be "for a player they hardly ever selected".
Dave,
I agree with you that good players can put a few thousand on the gate.
I think the entertainment levels decide whether the other 30,000, that will be there regardless, sit there moaning or buzzing.
I agree with you that good players can put a few thousand on the gate.
I think the entertainment levels decide whether the other 30,000, that will be there regardless, sit there moaning or buzzing.
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