The Rumour Mill, Season 2011-12
United open Baines bidding at £12m
22/05/2012 | 
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Manchester United have approached Everton with an opening bid of £12m for Leighton Baines, according to tomorrow's Mirror.
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The England international has been the subject of mounting speculation linking him with Old Trafford but it remains to be seen whether David Moyes is willing to sell one of his prized assets, particularly at that price.
The BBC's Phil McNulty claims that Everton have had no contact from United as yet regarding Baines, however.
Original Source: The Mirror
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So the fun begins?.
We don't want a repeat of the last few years, with we are not going to sell, no never. Then the player puts in a transfer request and the player is sold. So the club and player need to be united (excuse the pun) on this. If the player does not want to leave and the club don't want to sell, both should make clear statements to that affect. If the player wants to leave, he should be made to put in a transfer request straight away. If the club wants to sell then they should name a price and be done with it.
If we do end up selling him, looking at those who have gone before we should be looking at £20m.
We don't want a repeat of the last few years, with we are not going to sell, no never. Then the player puts in a transfer request and the player is sold. So the club and player need to be united (excuse the pun) on this. If the player does not want to leave and the club don't want to sell, both should make clear statements to that affect. If the player wants to leave, he should be made to put in a transfer request straight away. If the club wants to sell then they should name a price and be done with it.
If we do end up selling him, looking at those who have gone before we should be looking at £20m.
One response. Two words. Fuck Off.
I just hope Pienaar does not return because of all this crap.
and Berbatov.. and we will start talking.
Need to get Citeh involved in this one in my opinion.. Man Utd are notoriously tight.
As soon as Bale does one from Spurs the scumbag journos will also be linking 5 Bob Harry with Baines
They've nothing to else to write
Trash made up journalism .......... you just know when they use "Exclusive" .... my arse
They've nothing to else to write
Trash made up journalism .......... you just know when they use "Exclusive" .... my arse
£20 million plus Berbatov and one of the full-back twins as cover.
If we have to sell one of Johnny, Baines, Fellaini and god help us Jelavic - In my opinion its Baines.
Jelly will take all the pens, set pieces around the box that Baines took this season.. ( and hopefully not hit the bar )
And for however well he plays well with Pienaar.. Pienaar isnt an Everton player right now.. and may well not be.
Tim #088 - is spot on. If a deal needs doing.. get it done. New faces in banks paid what we owe. ( even if its not Baines, we all know one will go ! )..
Business done early please !
Jelly will take all the pens, set pieces around the box that Baines took this season.. ( and hopefully not hit the bar )
And for however well he plays well with Pienaar.. Pienaar isnt an Everton player right now.. and may well not be.
Tim #088 - is spot on. If a deal needs doing.. get it done. New faces in banks paid what we owe. ( even if its not Baines, we all know one will go ! )..
Business done early please !
And so it begins.... It's going to be a long old summer this one. Agree that, if it is to happen, get it done early. We need to be demanding more though as his worth to us is much more than his worth to them, if it is to be Baines. Easily the 2nd best left back in Europe behind one Ashley Cole. (Cue backlash... cue my response: watch CL final again!)
Maybe these Richardson rumours have legs now with this move in hindsight. There's not many decent full-backs around these days so replacing Baines would be difficult. I suppose though if we are to sell we all know it will have to be at least one of the 'bigger' players?!?
Maybe these Richardson rumours have legs now with this move in hindsight. There's not many decent full-backs around these days so replacing Baines would be difficult. I suppose though if we are to sell we all know it will have to be at least one of the 'bigger' players?!?
unless baines wants to go then it should be 25m+ a player. Easily the best fullback in the league up there with Cole and consistent so is easily worth it.
20 mill minimum! Baines may be a left back but he is about our best player and a major part of our attack.
We won't find a better replacement for him so if this deal goes through we need compensation to allow the entire squad to improve
We won't find a better replacement for him so if this deal goes through we need compensation to allow the entire squad to improve
If Baines does leave, it will be for the usual "undisclosed fee".
Shouldn't be lookig to sell, but if he has to go (bare in mind that if he gets a look in at the Euros) his price should be £22 -25 million).
Make Utd (or anyone else) wait!!!!
Shouldn't be lookig to sell, but if he has to go (bare in mind that if he gets a look in at the Euros) his price should be £22 -25 million).
Make Utd (or anyone else) wait!!!!
I hope Pienaar does not see this...
James Stewart - 25mil plus a player, thats a bit ridiculous aint it - he's not worth 27-30mil is he? Also 'Easily the best fullback in the league up there with Cole' - does that make the slightest bit of sense? Is he easily the best or is he up there with Cole?
17-20mil represents good business, if we could be impartial (we're not) we would understand that Baines hasn't done it at international level and we could well use the money (if we're allowed any of it).
17-20mil represents good business, if we could be impartial (we're not) we would understand that Baines hasn't done it at international level and we could well use the money (if we're allowed any of it).
Talking to a United mate about this last weekend and he can't understand why they would be interested as Evra has a good few years left in him and he's their captain to boot and Baines would just sit on the bench.
I would take the £12M and then buy Cole from Chelsea a player who can defend.
Shame if he does leave, but if it's for the right money and the manager gets it to spend then sell him.
If Lescott was worth £22 million, Baines is worth the same. Bit of a simplistic method of valuation. But If we can get another half-decent left back and three more players, it would bolster the squad.
If Lescott was worth £22 million, Baines is worth the same. Bit of a simplistic method of valuation. But If we can get another half-decent left back and three more players, it would bolster the squad.
It's one thing selling a player like Jagielka where there's cover but Baines is a power of one at Everton and the source of much of our creativity. For me he's an icon and we must not sell him
Seems like its not only Baines that is off the Man U. Read this headline on the Bleacher Report. It gave me my best laugh all week.
"David Moyes: 6 Potential Replacements If He Succeeds Ferguson at Man United"
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1192032-david-moyes-6-potential-replacements-if-he-succeeds-ferguson-at-man-united?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=everton
"David Moyes: 6 Potential Replacements If He Succeeds Ferguson at Man United"
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1192032-david-moyes-6-potential-replacements-if-he-succeeds-ferguson-at-man-united?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=everton
I really hope the board doesn't take such a shitty low offer for him. If he must be sold the only way to appease the fans is for it to be for a huge sum. 12 million is an insult.
Its the Banks which will have the final say and also how LOW a bid is acceptable and Davey Boy and BK and ToffeeWeb are POWERLESS .
Year after year , season after season we get the same old same old scene being played out.
'I dont want to sell anybody I just want to buy lots and lots of new players" - Daft Davey
'Complete Silence' - Billy Liar
'Sell or go bankrupt ' - The BANK.
'Completely OTT Pie in the sky wishful thinking' - The Supporters .
And afterwards Lame excuses - Daft Davey
Acceptance of the LAME excuses - The BK and Davey Boy loving Supporters
More SILENCE - Billy LIAR
Then on to the January Transfer window and a repeat of the same SAD cycle
'I dont want to sell anybody I just want to buy lots and lots of new players" - Daft Davey
'Complete Silence' - Billy Liar
'Sell or go bankrupt ' - The BANK.
'Completely OTT Pie in the sky wishful thinking' - The Supporters .
And afterwards Lame excuses - Daft Davey
Acceptance of the LAME excuses - The BK and Davey Boy loving Supporters
More SILENCE - Billy LIAR
Then on to the January Transfer window and a repeat of the same SAD cycle
He is a great player and I would prefer to keep him but if someone has to be sold maybe left back is the position we can replace the easiest? Better a left back going than a striker or midfielder.
I know it was only a couple of games but when he was injured we managed ok without him.
I know it was only a couple of games but when he was injured we managed ok without him.
Peter 120 - Spot on. No one wants a repeat of the last few years, so sell and be done with it or keep the player. Fan would rather know the truth than sit thinking we are ok and then watch the player leave in late Aug.
Value wise I think £20m is about right, unless Man City want him then you can charge what you want. I know people think £25m, or £20m plus half their team, but Cole was valued at £25m and didn't go for that. It would be a big loss, he had been a great player for us but if Moyes is good at anything it is finding quality defenders.
Value wise I think £20m is about right, unless Man City want him then you can charge what you want. I know people think £25m, or £20m plus half their team, but Cole was valued at £25m and didn't go for that. It would be a big loss, he had been a great player for us but if Moyes is good at anything it is finding quality defenders.
We can't just sell and be done with it until we get offered a fair price and £12 million is far from it.
I reckon Man Utd want Baines for their left mid slot, not left back. A better version of Bale that won't cost £50 mil+
I would want £20 mil minimum and a player... Hernandez?
I would want £20 mil minimum and a player... Hernandez?
baines will not be with us by the summer, as we atre a selling club!! Kenwrights business model!!
Gut tells me that if indeed it is Man U interested then he'll take upwards of 15m. He has a lot more patience with them and they have always given us their cast offs without fuss.
If it were spurs or Man city etc I think Moyes would dig his heals in, as I think he feels personally agrieved with both.
then we would only sell upwards of 20m.
My take anyway. But I agree with the one post - I don't think Man U need Baines all that much.
Would I sell him for 15m - yes. We could get 2 of Pienaar, Donovan, Matt Phillips or Dempsey prob for that. Maybe even Johnson from City.
If it were spurs or Man city etc I think Moyes would dig his heals in, as I think he feels personally agrieved with both.
then we would only sell upwards of 20m.
My take anyway. But I agree with the one post - I don't think Man U need Baines all that much.
Would I sell him for 15m - yes. We could get 2 of Pienaar, Donovan, Matt Phillips or Dempsey prob for that. Maybe even Johnson from City.
So much reaction over a lazy journo's "guess"....are we EVER going to get used to this and not disintegrate into a jibbering wreck of a mob.
If you all read tomorrow in the Daily Bugle "Man Utd bid on complete Everton squad" would everyone be up in arms and just "believing" it????
Admittedly that's a "bit" exaggerated but we're going to hear and read these things all through the summer....FFS IGNORE THEM AND GO AND HAVE A BEER!
If you all read tomorrow in the Daily Bugle "Man Utd bid on complete Everton squad" would everyone be up in arms and just "believing" it????
Admittedly that's a "bit" exaggerated but we're going to hear and read these things all through the summer....FFS IGNORE THEM AND GO AND HAVE A BEER!
In 2006 Chelsea offered £16m for Cole, Arsenal wanted £20m+. since then valuations have climbed, especially since City entered the scene. We should get at least £20m+ for the best left back in England, who happens to be English, too. I'm pissed off with journos trying to sell our players on the cheap in order to crawl up Ferguson's jacksie.
The 'Rossgate' e-mails where quite revealing in certain aspects of how the club operates in these area's and how cynical they can be.
If there is a bid, which is doubtful as they have a good LB, a massive debt to pay and a pressing need for a whole midfield, then it will be the likes of Snodin, Bluekipper and other friendly journo's letting us know he'd quite like the move.
The Echo will then follow on with how Everton are doing everything in their power to keep him and is BB personally leading the calls for him to stay.
Then when the price is met he'll be forced to hand in a transfer request so he doesn't recieve a loyalty payment which is in most players contracts these days.
I can't see SAF looking at left back as an area he needs to strengthen myself.
If there is a bid, which is doubtful as they have a good LB, a massive debt to pay and a pressing need for a whole midfield, then it will be the likes of Snodin, Bluekipper and other friendly journo's letting us know he'd quite like the move.
The Echo will then follow on with how Everton are doing everything in their power to keep him and is BB personally leading the calls for him to stay.
Then when the price is met he'll be forced to hand in a transfer request so he doesn't recieve a loyalty payment which is in most players contracts these days.
I can't see SAF looking at left back as an area he needs to strengthen myself.
This is the same Mirror newspaper that had him leaving to Man Utd for £5 mill only 2 weeks ago? So stop getting worked up at it! At least the valuation is going in the right direction ? £7 million in 2 weeks.
The words "We are a selling club". Does not go down very well with Blues fans. But it is fact.
And until the present regime is replaced, nothing changes.
And until the present regime is replaced, nothing changes.
Phil McNulty @philmcnulty
"Everton have had no contact at all as yet from Man Utd about Leighton Baines ? not to say they won't but that is the current position."
Shows the lazy journo from the Mirror for what he is. So people can stop getting wound up and slagging off Moyes and Kenwright for a non-story.
"Everton have had no contact at all as yet from Man Utd about Leighton Baines ? not to say they won't but that is the current position."
Shows the lazy journo from the Mirror for what he is. So people can stop getting wound up and slagging off Moyes and Kenwright for a non-story.
Do you not think that this may be coming from Everton?
We need to sell a player to appease the banks and also to provide funds for Moyes.
How did we do when Baines was injured?
OK so lets look at a Valuation- he is 27 at his peak and will be a cert for the left back spot for the next world cup.
What did Chelsea pay for Cole £30M.??
OK blue Bill lets see you negotiate tell utd £30M or do one, Levy last year said he would not sell Modric for £40M and what happened the bid went in at that price
For once I wish that we do our TFr business early.
If Baines has to go so be it but for gods sake not for less than £30M and bill if you are not able to negotiate I know a man who can.
We need to sell a player to appease the banks and also to provide funds for Moyes.
How did we do when Baines was injured?
OK so lets look at a Valuation- he is 27 at his peak and will be a cert for the left back spot for the next world cup.
What did Chelsea pay for Cole £30M.??
OK blue Bill lets see you negotiate tell utd £30M or do one, Levy last year said he would not sell Modric for £40M and what happened the bid went in at that price
For once I wish that we do our TFr business early.
If Baines has to go so be it but for gods sake not for less than £30M and bill if you are not able to negotiate I know a man who can.
Hopefully just paper talk - as the're bored of talking about Champs League final now.
But . . .
If Glen Johnson across the park was worth £18, then Bainesy is worth a hell of a lot more. How many assists and goals does he get a season?
The price should be set at £25m take it or leave it. Or £20m + Valencia.
But . . .
If Glen Johnson across the park was worth £18, then Bainesy is worth a hell of a lot more. How many assists and goals does he get a season?
The price should be set at £25m take it or leave it. Or £20m + Valencia.
Just like any other player,Baines is worth only what some club is prepared to pay.You need two bidders to make a market and if City enter in then we could well get £20M.
Personally,I don`t think he will leave but if he goes by necessity,I expect Moyes to be not far behind him!
Personally,I don`t think he will leave but if he goes by necessity,I expect Moyes to be not far behind him!
Love some of the valuations on here. 20m plus Valencia is my favourite.
Realistically Evra is only 31, far from over the hill for a LB especially such an athletic one, they also have Fabio. City have Clichy and Kolarov, Chelsea have Cashley, Arsenal have Santos and Gibbs, Spurs have Assou Ekotto and Bale
By my reckoning none of them will be focussing on LB this summer so Bainesy will be most likely staying put.
Realistically Evra is only 31, far from over the hill for a LB especially such an athletic one, they also have Fabio. City have Clichy and Kolarov, Chelsea have Cashley, Arsenal have Santos and Gibbs, Spurs have Assou Ekotto and Bale
By my reckoning none of them will be focussing on LB this summer so Bainesy will be most likely staying put.
Ps. If he does go, is his successor at Wigan Figueroa available on a 'free transfer'? If so then surely worth a look especially as he topped the opta stats for LBs this season ahead of Evra, Clichy and our own Leighton.
There has been no contact made by MU to Everton at all. See Phil McNulty on Twitter.
This is paper talk designed to sell newspapers..
This is paper talk designed to sell newspapers..
No chance at that price. If they wanted him we should get cash and a player in return. Personally I would be happy with Evra if we lost Baines and cash he's a cracking player !
Yes but Bill #144, it doesn't matter, if you believe like most do that the move for Arteta started, stalled, and was pushed through on Aug 31 2011, Man U have plenty of time.
As others have said, it is the banks that will dictate this. With TV revenue down slightly, and matchday revenue down a lot, plus some of the payday loans with Vibrac and others due for repayment (with more taken out no doubt) it'll be the usual summer for Evertonians.
As others have said, it is the banks that will dictate this. With TV revenue down slightly, and matchday revenue down a lot, plus some of the payday loans with Vibrac and others due for repayment (with more taken out no doubt) it'll be the usual summer for Evertonians.
Yes but Bill #144, it doesn't matter, if you believe like most do that the move for Arteta started, stalled, and was pushed through on Aug 31 2011, Man U have plenty of time.
As others have said, it is the banks that will dictate this. With TV revenue down slightly, and matchday revenue down a lot, plus some of the payday loans with Vibrac and others due for repayment (with more taken out no doubt) it'll be the usual summer for Evertonians.
As others have said, it is the banks that will dictate this. With TV revenue down slightly, and matchday revenue down a lot, plus some of the payday loans with Vibrac and others due for repayment (with more taken out no doubt) it'll be the usual summer for Evertonians.
"I would take the £12M and then buy Cole from Chelsea a player who can defend."
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I can't believe someone actually posted this. Ludicrous... on every level.
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I can't believe someone actually posted this. Ludicrous... on every level.
Matt,
I thought the Vibrac loans was a short term bridging loan that was paid back when the August payment was recieved?
I thought the Vibrac loans was a short term bridging loan that was paid back when the August payment was recieved?
Stephen, my understanding is the Vibrac loan was a 12 month facility, to repay an existing debt. That kind of suggests that unless they have been squirreling the money away to pay for this, they'll need another facility.
The fact that we're resorting to these kind of loans suggests there is no chance of getting anything further from more reputable sources.
The fact that we're resorting to these kind of loans suggests there is no chance of getting anything further from more reputable sources.
Don't worry Matt, our man in the Cayman's will see us right for another loan ;-)
Take Evera and 15 mil. Then set Evra up to live next door to Sewerage.
Worth the entrance fee on its own.
Worth the entrance fee on its own.
How can they lodge a bid if the transfer window is not open until the 1st July?
I wil be sorry to see Bainsey go but the important thing is that we will still have Bill Kenwright as our club's Chairman.
He is a true blue, and he use to go in the Boys' Pen, you know.
His passion for the club is worth more than Baines, Maestro Fellaini and Jelavic put together.
He is a true blue, and he use to go in the Boys' Pen, you know.
His passion for the club is worth more than Baines, Maestro Fellaini and Jelavic put together.
Hope he doesn't go but if we got £20m+ for Bainsey, how about Carlos Cuellar as a replacement??
Can get him for free
Can get him for free
Expect this all summer for our best players, Moyes started the ball rolling with his "we may have to trade" comments.
I agree with Tim Locke, it is inevitable that someone will go for big money, so the bussiness needs to be done as early as possible. If Moyes gets some of the money from any sale, then he needs to be able to use it on his targets, to get them used to the players around them as early as possible.
Moyes doesn't need any more sideshows before the start of the season and we don't need any more excusses for a bad start. I've got this sneaking suspicion though, that it's going to be a late one with more than half of the money disappearing and a couple of £3m to £4m players coming in with the addition of a couple of loan players.
Moyes doesn't need any more sideshows before the start of the season and we don't need any more excusses for a bad start. I've got this sneaking suspicion though, that it's going to be a late one with more than half of the money disappearing and a couple of £3m to £4m players coming in with the addition of a couple of loan players.
To be honest, Bainsey probably deserves to be let go so he can test himself at a higher level. If he has any ambition to win things why would he want to stay with us when a club like ManU comes calling? (Is also the only big club he could go to wthout his homesickness kciking in, except for City).
As said above, Everton should just name the price and get the deal done early. Personally the 20m + mentioned above is a little OTT. No left back in the world is worth 20m. If we can squeez 15m out of Man U + one or two players (even if is only on a seasons lone) that would be ok I think.
He's a big part of our team but 15m for a left back is pretty good going, especially if we get 1-2 players on top.
Forget about Berbatov. 1 he won't want to come to us, 2 we cannot afford his wages 3 he would not get on with Moyes given his style of play.
Can't see Moyes sightiing with hie mentor SAF adn potentially ruining his next managerial move. (hahaha)
As said above, Everton should just name the price and get the deal done early. Personally the 20m + mentioned above is a little OTT. No left back in the world is worth 20m. If we can squeez 15m out of Man U + one or two players (even if is only on a seasons lone) that would be ok I think.
He's a big part of our team but 15m for a left back is pretty good going, especially if we get 1-2 players on top.
Forget about Berbatov. 1 he won't want to come to us, 2 we cannot afford his wages 3 he would not get on with Moyes given his style of play.
Can't see Moyes sightiing with hie mentor SAF adn potentially ruining his next managerial move. (hahaha)
The valuations on here are somewhat inflated no? £20+m??? Seriously? Look if we get £12m we've doubled our money, if we get more, that's good business given our predicament. Comparing him with Cole is unfair, admitedly Ashley is a prick but the lad can play footy, defend and get forward, and he went for £8m plus Gallas for those that are asking.
Also, if he is to go, I expect a replacement will be at the club before he departs seeing as he's the only senior left back in the squad. Every club is a 'selling club' for the right price guys, Utd with Ronaldo, Barca with Figo... money talks, players walk!!!
Also, if he is to go, I expect a replacement will be at the club before he departs seeing as he's the only senior left back in the squad. Every club is a 'selling club' for the right price guys, Utd with Ronaldo, Barca with Figo... money talks, players walk!!!
Tony #161, they would be able to lodge a bid in the same way Arsenal signed up Podolski in March. It's an agreement to take effect on a particular date.
Tony #161
Logical questions like that have no place here
If the boys want to fret you gotta let em
Logical questions like that have no place here
If the boys want to fret you gotta let em
What is with all this £x + player rubbish. Any players would be Man U cast offs, and how many threads have we had complaining about Man U's cast off's coming to Goodison.
I can't understand resistance to 'cast offs' from United. We have signed Saha, Neville, Howard and Gibson from United, for relatively minimal fees who have all been successful to varying degrees (It is early to tell with Gibson, but he has started well...and Saha faded badly, but to get a player of his ability for next to nothing or nothing, was superb, and he scored important goals for us).
There is no shame in getting cast offs from the best team in the history of the Premier League. It's not like they are coming from stoke is it?
But, don't get so worked up; This is the Mirror. Consider the substance to the rumour for a moment...United NEED to buy Central Midfielders, as well as another striker. Do you think they will spend a chunk of their budget on a LB? when they have an extremely capable French international, and a promising Brazilian youngster, in that position? Too often we seem to assume our players are subject to offers based on newspaper speculation, without even considering the ostensible buying team's financial or squad situation.
There is no shame in getting cast offs from the best team in the history of the Premier League. It's not like they are coming from stoke is it?
But, don't get so worked up; This is the Mirror. Consider the substance to the rumour for a moment...United NEED to buy Central Midfielders, as well as another striker. Do you think they will spend a chunk of their budget on a LB? when they have an extremely capable French international, and a promising Brazilian youngster, in that position? Too often we seem to assume our players are subject to offers based on newspaper speculation, without even considering the ostensible buying team's financial or squad situation.
Steve 134, Ashley cole cost chelsea 5 million
"How can they lodge a bid if the transfer window is not open until the 1st July?"
They can lodge a bid any time they want but the transfer can only go ahead once the window opens i.e. agree a deal in advance.
They can lodge a bid any time they want but the transfer can only go ahead once the window opens i.e. agree a deal in advance.
"Ashley cole cost chelsea 5 million"
Plus William Gallas.
Plus William Gallas.
I am not suggesting we use 5 million as a price guide!
Steve 134, Ashley cole cost chelsea 5 million
errr AND William Gallas who was worth in the region of £15m at the time.
errr AND William Gallas who was worth in the region of £15m at the time.
So the toffeeweb summer is upon us!
Template below.
- I reckon we should sell (name Everton player, possibly mentioned as a target in one or more newspapers)
- for (fabricate a hugely inflated selling price for that player, regardless of whether any bids for the player have been made)
- and buy (name player that is doing well for you on champ manager, regardless of whether that player is for sale, whether he would be interested in signing etc etc etc)
- for (fabricate price with little consideration for the fact that the selling club might not want to let him go that cheaply / other clubs are in the mix and might offer more)
- and pay him (fabricate wage demands based on God knows what) per week.
Log back on tomorrow and repeat. There are literally thousands of professional footballers in the world. There is no excuse to run out of players who we should be signing.
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Template below.
- I reckon we should sell (name Everton player, possibly mentioned as a target in one or more newspapers)
- for (fabricate a hugely inflated selling price for that player, regardless of whether any bids for the player have been made)
- and buy (name player that is doing well for you on champ manager, regardless of whether that player is for sale, whether he would be interested in signing etc etc etc)
- for (fabricate price with little consideration for the fact that the selling club might not want to let him go that cheaply / other clubs are in the mix and might offer more)
- and pay him (fabricate wage demands based on God knows what) per week.
Log back on tomorrow and repeat. There are literally thousands of professional footballers in the world. There is no excuse to run out of players who we should be signing.
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Baines is one of the 4 compulsory none sales. Offer him a new contract and pay him what he wants right this second (I don't care how recently he signed one). In fact do the same with Fellaini, Heitinga and Jelavic. That'll stop the, all summer long, rumours and help my sleep. Selling any of those players simply isn't an option.
I reckon we should sell ... Tim Cahill
for ... £10m to the Saudis
and buy ... Tom Cleverley
for ... £5m
and pay him ... £30'000 a week
for ... £10m to the Saudis
and buy ... Tom Cleverley
for ... £5m
and pay him ... £30'000 a week
I reckon we should sell ... Phil Neville
for ... £6m to Hawwy
and buy ... Josh Mceachren
for ... £4m
and pay him ... £20'000 a week
for ... £6m to Hawwy
and buy ... Josh Mceachren
for ... £4m
and pay him ... £20'000 a week
I've just made a total of £7m and saved us about £50'000 a week in wages.
I should be Everton manager / chairman / CEO because I'm boss at this!
I should be Everton manager / chairman / CEO because I'm boss at this!
As many have already stated above, if the offer for Baines is big enough then he will go, of that there can be no doubt. Speaking of fullbacks, I notice that Martin Kelly has been drafted into the England squad for cover. Well if I had to choose between our own much maligned Tony Hibbert and Kelly to defend for my life then Tony would get my vote. (You see you don't have to say he is crap just because everybody else tells you he is).
People's valuation of Baines are bizarre. This is a world where Downing is worth 20m, Glen Johnson went for 18. Henderson 20m. Lescott 22m etc And your telling me Baines is worth 15m. Insane.
Who gives a flying fuck what Baines has done at international level. Him and Cole are the best LB's in the league by a long way.
Who gives a flying fuck what Baines has done at international level. Him and Cole are the best LB's in the league by a long way.
Agreed Shaun it's pretty funny how Hodgson immediately looks to the RS whenever he needs a player.
Wow, we just got Gibson for £500k from Manchester United. Now it is time for our part of the deal, sell Baines for much less then he is worth.
This makes me sick, Man Utd owes us £25 million from the Rooney deal, we do not owe them anything as Gibson is shite.
If Moyes has been stupid enough to agree a deal with such a low price for our most important player, then he has destroyed all what he has built here.
This makes me sick, Man Utd owes us £25 million from the Rooney deal, we do not owe them anything as Gibson is shite.
If Moyes has been stupid enough to agree a deal with such a low price for our most important player, then he has destroyed all what he has built here.
Well done Jimmy, put 2 + 2 together and get 8.
And just for your info Gibson is far from "shite" and is exactly what we need. Don't think we've lost a league game he's played in, so in the immortal words of Harry Seacombe a big fat rrrrrsssspppptt to you.
And just for your info Gibson is far from "shite" and is exactly what we need. Don't think we've lost a league game he's played in, so in the immortal words of Harry Seacombe a big fat rrrrrsssspppptt to you.
In the Dick Emery stylee, "Jimmy, you are a fucken loon.....but I like you"
Well, since they're all shitting up there over Man City's emergence, this could be a bit of nonsense to appease the justifiably nervous fan base. They're not just using Fergy's "youth movement". The Glazers mean business!
Really, Torres for £40+ mil and Carroll for £30+ mil not a year ago. And now one of EPL's two best LBs for £12 mil?
Smells fishy all around.
Really, Torres for £40+ mil and Carroll for £30+ mil not a year ago. And now one of EPL's two best LBs for £12 mil?
Smells fishy all around.
Gibson isn't shite but I can see Jimmy's point.
It will be interesting to see if Everton hold out for a bidding war or if we accept an early bid from Man U. There might be a gentlemen's agreement to this Gibson deal, something like having first choice on certain players. The low transfer figure for Gibson could be one of Ferguson's sweetners as a reminder of not to overprice. I remember at the time Ferguson pretty much saying that he was doing Moyes a favour. Maybe I'm reading to much into this, maybe Ferguson really has mellowed and is just doing something decent to help out someone he respects.
It will be interesting to see if Everton hold out for a bidding war or if we accept an early bid from Man U. There might be a gentlemen's agreement to this Gibson deal, something like having first choice on certain players. The low transfer figure for Gibson could be one of Ferguson's sweetners as a reminder of not to overprice. I remember at the time Ferguson pretty much saying that he was doing Moyes a favour. Maybe I'm reading to much into this, maybe Ferguson really has mellowed and is just doing something decent to help out someone he respects.
Any chance Utd put out the 'Ferguson will be allowed to name his successor' rumour that was doing the rounds lately.. I'm sure the managers of the Premier League also rans will all be trying to ingratiate themselves with Sir Alex..
Dear Sir Alex,
I heard you needed a left back...
Dear Sir Alex,
I heard you needed a left back...
Wow, this thread had quickly moved on in a new direction now.
My take on it was that we signed Gibson for a low fee as he was out of contract this summer and was so far away from their first team he wasn't even playing Carling Cup football, so maybe, just maybe Utd sold a player surplus to requirements for a profit before losing him for nowt? Also the fee seems vague, varies from £500k-£2.5m depending on which report you read?
Before this story, most on here were convinced it was to smooth over the 'Rodwell deal'. I personally believe that these would be terrible ways to conduct business with any club: "Give us somebody you've probably forgotten about and we'll do a deal on our better players"? Nah, not even Blue Bill is that bad!!!
Jimmy, you make me laugh lad, love how you get everybody's back, intentional or not! Shite seems harsh, seems to've balanced the side to be fair, would like to see him, Rodwell and Fellaini all together giving the other two more room to go box-to-box. I suppose though Jimmy, your thought process was "he's shite" as he isn't Royston Ricky Drenthe?!?
My take on it was that we signed Gibson for a low fee as he was out of contract this summer and was so far away from their first team he wasn't even playing Carling Cup football, so maybe, just maybe Utd sold a player surplus to requirements for a profit before losing him for nowt? Also the fee seems vague, varies from £500k-£2.5m depending on which report you read?
Before this story, most on here were convinced it was to smooth over the 'Rodwell deal'. I personally believe that these would be terrible ways to conduct business with any club: "Give us somebody you've probably forgotten about and we'll do a deal on our better players"? Nah, not even Blue Bill is that bad!!!
Jimmy, you make me laugh lad, love how you get everybody's back, intentional or not! Shite seems harsh, seems to've balanced the side to be fair, would like to see him, Rodwell and Fellaini all together giving the other two more room to go box-to-box. I suppose though Jimmy, your thought process was "he's shite" as he isn't Royston Ricky Drenthe?!?
Jimmy relax yourself man.
Moyes wouldn't sell anybody if he could get away with it.
He certainly won't sell Baines for £12m and if anybody tried it behind his back you'd see it written on his kite from the moon.
He might be a miserable bastard but he's not a stupid miserable bastard.
Moyes wouldn't sell anybody if he could get away with it.
He certainly won't sell Baines for £12m and if anybody tried it behind his back you'd see it written on his kite from the moon.
He might be a miserable bastard but he's not a stupid miserable bastard.
People love conspiracy theories....
Gibson had also upset Sir Alex, which was clearly a factor in his exit. We got him for a good deal, but then we have a good relationship. Sunderland also got O'Shea and Brown for good deals...and I'm not aware of any of their players going in the other direction (Sessegnon will now...)
Gibson had also upset Sir Alex, which was clearly a factor in his exit. We got him for a good deal, but then we have a good relationship. Sunderland also got O'Shea and Brown for good deals...and I'm not aware of any of their players going in the other direction (Sessegnon will now...)
Business done early please !
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That hardly ever happens as players wait until the last minute unless the club they want comes in early. Hence City and Utd get deals done in June and July, and the rest of us have to wait until quarter to midnight two weeks into the season.
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That hardly ever happens as players wait until the last minute unless the club they want comes in early. Hence City and Utd get deals done in June and July, and the rest of us have to wait until quarter to midnight two weeks into the season.
#193 Jim, going back about 10 to 15 years ago, I absolutely hated anything to do with Man Utd, I used to consider them the lesser of two evils in comparison to the Kopites but these days I don't have the same feelings. I still want them to loose every game, apart from when they play our neighbours, but the venomos feelings are fading, maybe it's to do with age or maybe it's because Ferguson is not so much the prick he used to be... I don't know.
The reason why I have a problem with ex-Man Utd players coming here is because they are usually average players. In the past, whenever a player is linked to us in the press, the part of my brain that only deals with anxiety kicks in with the usuall suspects making an appearance... like O'Shea, Fletcher, Carrick, Evans, Gibson, Hargreaves and Wes Brown. Thank fuck O'Shea went to Sunderland and Hargreaves to Man City but Gibson I have to admit I got wrong. He is a good player and fits in perfectly to our midfield but we only need one or two players of his ability in the squad to play in midfield and only one at a time.
It's not so much Man Utd as a club that I have a problem with us signing players but the quality of players we get or are linked with; they are definitely grafters who (as Moyes notoriously likes) can do a job in several positions but are not particularly good at any one position. Not many people were complaining when we got Kanchelskis all those years ago but that was because he was world class and probably at the peak of his career.
Most of the players linked to us have never been good enough for United; maybe I'm being unrealistic but I don't think they're good enough for us and will make us even harder to watch at times.
The reason why I have a problem with ex-Man Utd players coming here is because they are usually average players. In the past, whenever a player is linked to us in the press, the part of my brain that only deals with anxiety kicks in with the usuall suspects making an appearance... like O'Shea, Fletcher, Carrick, Evans, Gibson, Hargreaves and Wes Brown. Thank fuck O'Shea went to Sunderland and Hargreaves to Man City but Gibson I have to admit I got wrong. He is a good player and fits in perfectly to our midfield but we only need one or two players of his ability in the squad to play in midfield and only one at a time.
It's not so much Man Utd as a club that I have a problem with us signing players but the quality of players we get or are linked with; they are definitely grafters who (as Moyes notoriously likes) can do a job in several positions but are not particularly good at any one position. Not many people were complaining when we got Kanchelskis all those years ago but that was because he was world class and probably at the peak of his career.
Most of the players linked to us have never been good enough for United; maybe I'm being unrealistic but I don't think they're good enough for us and will make us even harder to watch at times.
Double it or fuck off.
Baines is key for us. If we lose him then I will go mad.
Gibson is not shite, but he is average, and I have this awful feeling that Moyes and Ferguson has made a deal before the fact with Baines.
Reading the low prices linked just makes no sense at all.
Baines should cost more then Kolarov, but Bill Kenwright sold us short in the Rooney deal, saying he would not sell for less then 50 million.
He then went and sold him for 25 million.
History tells me we sell players for less then market price when Man. utd. come running.
I know for certain that Ferguson will try and lure Baines away for only 12 million.
He is not stupid, and we need the money, plus Bill is the one handling the deal.
I just feel we are going to lose out on millions unless another club comes and starts a bidding war.
I would prefer to keep hold of Baines no matter what.
He is key to how we play and we can not lose him. Simple as that.
Gibson is not shite, but he is average, and I have this awful feeling that Moyes and Ferguson has made a deal before the fact with Baines.
Reading the low prices linked just makes no sense at all.
Baines should cost more then Kolarov, but Bill Kenwright sold us short in the Rooney deal, saying he would not sell for less then 50 million.
He then went and sold him for 25 million.
History tells me we sell players for less then market price when Man. utd. come running.
I know for certain that Ferguson will try and lure Baines away for only 12 million.
He is not stupid, and we need the money, plus Bill is the one handling the deal.
I just feel we are going to lose out on millions unless another club comes and starts a bidding war.
I would prefer to keep hold of Baines no matter what.
He is key to how we play and we can not lose him. Simple as that.
Jimmy, you know that 12mill is a figure plucked from the sky right? Even if there is interest, the fee is just speculation at the moment, no more than newspaper talk. He won't go for 12million, he will go for 15m at the very least. Every season there are lots of rumours like this, and most of the time they come from the pen of a bored journalist, are seized upon and proliferated by other journalists and fans who fear or hope for the worse or best.
We got over 20mil for Lescott...got 5 for Macfadden, and over 10 for AJ. Our history of selling is impressive, not bad; don't be blinkered by a Rooney deal, which happened some time ago before recent transfer inflation.
We got over 20mil for Lescott...got 5 for Macfadden, and over 10 for AJ. Our history of selling is impressive, not bad; don't be blinkered by a Rooney deal, which happened some time ago before recent transfer inflation.
Jim
I think when we sold Rooney it was at the height of highs transfers and we were well and truely ripped off over Rooney.
United paid £32m for Ferdinand,a centre half from a near bankrupt Leeds yet we get less for someone already being called world class at 18.
I think when we sold Rooney it was at the height of highs transfers and we were well and truely ripped off over Rooney.
United paid £32m for Ferdinand,a centre half from a near bankrupt Leeds yet we get less for someone already being called world class at 18.
I am not sure where this perception we were ripped off over Rooney comes from. The total fee we got was around 27 million for an 18 year old boy. The Rooney transfer to this day is still the highest amount ever paid for a teenager. To put that into perspective, Cristiano Ronaldo cost United 12 million a year earlier than the Rooney deal.
To suggest we could have got more is ludicrous, he refused to sign a deal with Everton, and put in a transfer request, effectively putting a gun to the clubs head. The only alternative would have been to refuse the bid, and lose him for nothing when his contract expired.
Baines signed a 5 year deal in 2010, so is not at the age where could afford to sit out his contract. For his ability going forward, I don't rate Baines as a top class defender. I would expect him to leave for between 17-20 million, and then Moyes to find a more than adequate replacement for less than half of that. Evra is 31, so its clear United need a new Left back. And they will be more than aware that there are other clubs also looking at Baines. I see this as a deal that will happen this summer.
To suggest we could have got more is ludicrous, he refused to sign a deal with Everton, and put in a transfer request, effectively putting a gun to the clubs head. The only alternative would have been to refuse the bid, and lose him for nothing when his contract expired.
Baines signed a 5 year deal in 2010, so is not at the age where could afford to sit out his contract. For his ability going forward, I don't rate Baines as a top class defender. I would expect him to leave for between 17-20 million, and then Moyes to find a more than adequate replacement for less than half of that. Evra is 31, so its clear United need a new Left back. And they will be more than aware that there are other clubs also looking at Baines. I see this as a deal that will happen this summer.
Tell them were to go... fucking £10-12 million!?! He's worth double that and a bit more but we should move heaven and earth to keep him; he is an outstanding player and who would we get to replace him?
You could say play Distin there but what about long term? Distin I think after next season will be gone; then you have to find a replacement... but who? We should tell United to fuckoff and start trying to keep our best players because next season could be a massive one for the blues. COYB.
You could say play Distin there but what about long term? Distin I think after next season will be gone; then you have to find a replacement... but who? We should tell United to fuckoff and start trying to keep our best players because next season could be a massive one for the blues. COYB.
Dan
He might still hold the record but how many 18 year olds have been discribed as world class and proved it on the world stage,remembering at that age he could only get better as well.
He might have put a transfer request in but the club was still in the driving seat as far as i'm concerned.He had 2 years left on his contract and wasnt on big wages.We should have put a price on his head that if it wasnt met then he would be put in the reserves untill it was or he signed a new deal.Theres no way he would have sat in the reserves all that time to see out his contract.
He might still hold the record but how many 18 year olds have been discribed as world class and proved it on the world stage,remembering at that age he could only get better as well.
He might have put a transfer request in but the club was still in the driving seat as far as i'm concerned.He had 2 years left on his contract and wasnt on big wages.We should have put a price on his head that if it wasnt met then he would be put in the reserves untill it was or he signed a new deal.Theres no way he would have sat in the reserves all that time to see out his contract.
Deja vu......this will now run all summer with a refusal to play in our first game and him finally signing with only a couple of days left before the window shuts and then being told we hand no time to spend the money! Another awful fratured start to the season and we'll be in the relegation area.
This will brighten up slightly after Xmas when Landon Donavon signs another six week loan. 24 interested parties are in talks with BK following another protest by the Blue Union and a further group who split off from them known as the Union of Blues / Kin of Kendall / Cousins of Catterick!
This will brighten up slightly after Xmas when Landon Donavon signs another six week loan. 24 interested parties are in talks with BK following another protest by the Blue Union and a further group who split off from them known as the Union of Blues / Kin of Kendall / Cousins of Catterick!
If Baines wants to go let him ! Agents have the last say anyway. Sell him for 15 mill + and buy Olssen from Blackburn for 5 mill. Dont sell him for more of whiskey noses casts off
Paul, fees paid have increased a lot since 2004, check out the gross figures, especially in our league. I would have liked to see us get a little more, but it was hardly a terrible figure, as he progression is difficult to predict (and has only twice in 8 seasons scored over 20 Premier League goals at the consistently best club in this division).
Fabregas in the summer, despite being an established world class footballer, only went for a little more to Barca, in a better contract position.
Fabregas in the summer, despite being an established world class footballer, only went for a little more to Barca, in a better contract position.
I hope Olssen for 5mil is a joke Anthony...
After reading the article and the comments on here i just realised that:
? It is in The Mirror
? It is written by Alan Nixon
? It is Bollocks
? It is in The Mirror
? It is written by Alan Nixon
? It is Bollocks
From what I've seen, although brilliant and consistent for the last 5/6 years or more Evra is beginning to show he ain't the player he was and is at the beginning of the downside, so getting Baines would make sense. Although the way fees are now I would be hoping to push United towards £20 million.
special mention to the fella who wants £20 million AND Valencia, madness, love it!!!
Makes Baines worth £45 million!!=
special mention to the fella who wants £20 million AND Valencia, madness, love it!!!
Makes Baines worth £45 million!!=
Bobby Thomas, mmmmmm.... interesting.
I mentally waved goodbye to Baines months ago because I think he's potentially top class, I'm not at all surprised this is on the cards. I think he can handle it although it may take a bit of adjusting to the Champions League first season.
Evra has been consistently the 2nd best left back in the Prem for many years and has played loads of European and international football.
Whenever I've seen United this year, he hasn't looked up the standards I've seen him at previously, I think he's definitely lost a yard. There seemed to be no penetration to his game going forward and he was struggling defensively.
Ashley Cole's not quite what he was either but he's still an unbelievable player. I'd say he's probably, bearing in mind his club career, what he's won and the fact he's going to get about 110/120 caps, one of the best English players of all time. He could play for any team in the world. Bainsey ain't better than him!!! Mainly as virtually no-one is.
Baines is a very good player, this "can't defend" bull is nonsense and he would fit in at United no problem. I think they would be mad not to get him.
It's hugely unrealistic to even think about Baines staying. I can't stand United or their fans and hope when Ferguson leaves they implode. But, if United make a suitable offer, Baines is going.
At least we know now the feelers are out for Baines, I don't want him to leave but hey-ho! £15 mil ffs pull the other one... it rings!!
If somebody has to go to balance the books and get some funds for the club, it has to be for top dollar!
If somebody has to go to balance the books and get some funds for the club, it has to be for top dollar!
...err 12 mil.
Bobby #337. Excellent post, I take it you saw Cole last weekend ? Awesome display, I cant stand the man though. ( Johnnys shoulder in the pen shoot out still makes me smile ).
It shows where Baines is in the pecking order internationally, I really like Baines, but if we get offered the money, we just cannot refuse it..
It shows where Baines is in the pecking order internationally, I really like Baines, but if we get offered the money, we just cannot refuse it..
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