Hoilett demands scupper Moyes swoop?

Sunderland or Borussia ?? whatever...
Peterborough away next season beckons.. modern footballers eh ?
All those match winning performances for Blackburn must warrant £70k a week ? (even Billy managed a few screamers..)
Dont get me wrong, a good prospect, but Moyes wont get involved if he is all bobby big time..

Think this lad is class and will be worth well over 4m in a few years time. Fair enough we don't want to be held to ransom over wages but sad that we can't compete with the likes of Newcastle and Sunderland...

Make this lad your utmost priority, Moyes! This lad will be the next big star in this country and he can play in about 3 different positions. Break the wage structure!!!

Newcastle and Suderland have modern grounds, so I imagine they earn more than us, Sam. Bit of a guess, mind. But this, "sad if we can't compete with..." has a familiar ring: Pompey, Blackburn even, and Newcastle have recently grown up on the matter.

We need to stick to a wage policy; if player a is unhappy with that, fcek off, I say.

If contact has actually been made and the players demands are more than we are prepared to pay then so be it. As you have pointed out Roberto considering the debts both Newcastle and Sunderland have I would be very surprised if they are prepared to accept what the player thinks he is worth. It is not as though he is on a free. Look we're this sort of policy got Newcastle in the past. I remember a certain ex Liverpool player eventually costing them 30 million pounds and as soon as relegation was confirmed he was out the door, Newcastle not seeing a penny, lucky escape for us!

Sam, Newcastle and Sunderland have modern grounds so they earn more than us!
If you managed to visit Goodison last season you will have noticed on many occasions our corporate sections were half empty most game and one game I noticed only two of those eleven exec boxes occupied and there where plenty of seats that were not obstructed for sale too,so the need for exec facilities is not exactly urgent with a fanbase that's too skint to want to take up these offers.
Maybe when it does come to a new ground we need to look at cheaper facilities like pubs in the ground with cheap pub grub.
However is it just the fact Necastle just have a bigger home support than us and Sunderland give thousands of freebies away shows the reasons for bigger gates and not the flimsy old ground excuse.

Roberto, I agree. Can't ruin a wage structure for one or two players. Thats how you get into trouble.

I understand why but its just frustrating that when we have aspirations of improving our league position on last year we are still being gazumped for good players by clubs that finished below us. C'est la vie.

Paul, have not been to goodison enough as a londoner. Sad to hear. Can't help feeling that if we were in the Kings Dock it may be a different story...

Some upstart being arsey about wage demands when he has just been part of getting his side relegated? Nah, move along, not that good and certainly not worth high wages.

Tony J Williams.... Totally agree mate ! Hoilet didn't exactly set the world alight last season. He's a very good prospect but "wage demands" from someone who's done what ? My conversation with Junior would go something like this : " So, do you fancy playing for the fourth most successful club in England, in front of the most passionate supporters in the land and helping us qualify for Europe and maybe win some silverware. We will probably help you realise your international ambitions as well"
................." How much do you want" ? .............. " Run along ya little mercenary wanna be and I'll see you when your playing for Rushden and Diamonds in a few years time" !!!

" So, do you fancy playing for the fourth most successful club in England, in front of the most passionate supporters in the land and helping us qualify for Europe and maybe win some silverware. We will probably help you realise your international ambitions as well" says Gary Seed # 206.

I can remember when Everton actually DID win some silverware and WERE a successful side but that was long before Dire Davey and Billy LIAR got hold of us.

His international ambitions? He already plays for Canada doesn´t he? Not much gonna happen there

Peter Barry (207) thats a very myopic view as I can also remember when Everton won some silverware and WERE a successful side but for the majoriy of that time we've been shite and THAT was long before Dire Davey and Billy LIAR got hold of us, or have you simply forgotten Bingham, Lee, Walker, HK1 & HK2 and SMITH, with Carter and Johnson as chairmen.

oops.. I meant HK2 & HK3!

To be fair to the lad, the above is just stuff in the press so who knows what the truth is. Also when players are accused of wanting too high wages, it's more often than not their agents that are the ones driving up the demands (as they of course get a bigger cut).

If true, the club needs to make a stand, not just because we're skint but also in general for the long term health of Everton/football. At some point, all clubs (except the ones funded by dodgy russian money or petro dollars), need to come to their senses and bring their costs (player wages) down. If it means the likes of us missing out on Hoilett this time, then so be it. Either he/his agent lowers his demands or some other club can get milked instead. I'm guessing the Borrusia transfer fell through as they told him/his agent to do one.

Personally, I dont see why we should be paying any of our players more than say 40k a week MAX - that's still 2m a year, on a 3-4 year contract, i.e. 6-8m over just one contract! Add to that th win bonuses, appearnce fees, goal/assist bonuses etc etc. That means that in one contract they will earn more than most supporters would in their entire lifetime!

(Am still also not happy about Fellaini getting 75k a week!)

Riquelme has left Boca and is available on a free. Surely he must be at John Lennon by now......

Yeah but Gary his final interview as a Boca player yielded this inspiring quote:

"I feel empty. I haven't got anything else to give to the club,"

Was a fantastic player in his day but age catches up with us all eventually, it seems he has admitted it!

Steve - seems tailor made for us in that case. He could be this seasons Ginola

I can see this extract from ex-Palace chairman Simon Jordan's book being almost exactly what we are going through with this Hoillet chap, should the rumour be true. Which it isn't. I think.

"Let me tell you how signing a player works, so you can see the absurdity of the situation. You agree a fee with the selling club. Ironically, that’s the easy part. You are then contacted by the player’s agent, who arranges to come and see you and negotiate a deal for his client.

The agent’s aim is to achieve the optimum amount of money he can get for his client and of course there is always going to be a difference of opinion on that subject as you negotiate. The key factor for them is the player’s basic wage, his “guarantee”, but once that is achieved suddenly everything else becomes just as important.

Firstly you have sign-on fees, a golden hello every year for the player agreeing to be paid a basic wage. Then there are appearance bonuses for the player turning up — but isn’t that the very thing his basic wage and sign-on covers? Then you have goal bonuses for forwards — but surely that is what you pay them a weekly wage for? You also have the same for clean sheets for goalkeepers.

The list goes on. Agents ideally like to write in staged increases, so if you sign a four-year contract they want a pay rise every year irrespective of performance and, if they can, a pay rise after a certain number of games. Then there are loyalty bonuses, typically paid annually, which are for the monumental thing of the player turning up for a year, and on top of that they want win bonuses. Win bonuses? The fact that we are paying a basic wage, sign-on money, appearance money, etc, etc, on the expectation of them securing wins seems to be lost in all of this.

But that’s not all. Irrespective of where the player lives, you pay a relocation fee of about £10,000, then their medical insurance.

With a straight face, the agent then tells you that he has worked for you, and it is hardly fair for the player to bear the costs. So after you pick yourself up off the floor you have this to consider. Someone who is purporting to work for you, who has got a deal for his client that is worse for you than you could have got yourself, is now demanding to be paid or he would be unable to recommend this deal to his real client — who is not, of course, paying him, that is your job."

Now you put it like that.....Sign him up!!!

I thought that whilst Moyes sat next to Seedorf in the BBC studio this summer he might convince him that halving his wages at Everton was the ideal pre-retirement deal for him, but it seems he prefered to retire to Brazil instead...........lord knows why??!!

Moyesy got asked about Hoilett in Naismith's press conference today and all he said was "I don't talk about other players at other clubs," or something along those lines?!

Now whenever he's said that before it means were genuinely interested in 'em! He said the same about Jelavic in January, same about Pienaar returning, and when youngsters Gueye and Joao Silva were linked with us.

I'm not saying it'll happen but I'm guessing there's a serious interest in Hoilett and Moyes would like to sign him on reasonable wages. I did hear we were in for him in January but couldn't strike a deal, we wanted him on loan but they weren't interested in that and we couldn't afford the fee for him at the time that Blackburn were asking...

Great piece on the Simon Jordan article. Agents are parasitic scum. Stretford and his buddy's should be kicked into touch and the PFA (WTF do they do?) should be responsible for negotiating player's transfers. It's a case of the tail wagging the dog nowadays, and that's why so many great clubs, with over a century of support and love from their community, are suddenly destroyed by the greed of spoilt little tossers and their 'Fagin's'. These toerags live off the backs of other peoples work and it's a disgrace. While the govt. are investigating the bankers (rhyming slang) they should also get a grip of these villains and put them out of work or make them get a real job

Mick, the alternative being young men who've dreamt of being professional footballers and worked their whole lives to do so being fucked royally in salary negotiations by businessmen owners. You think the owners would be passing the difference back to us fans? You don't think that, do you? They'd pocket the difference.

Why do you think agents came into the picture to begin with? Greedy owners.

We wouldn't have gotten Cahill if it hadn't have been the scum bags agents fees.

Should be paid for by the players though

£4M is a snip for him. Whether we have it is another question but it's a bargain for somebody.

James (273) a decent trade union could do the same job and spread the wealth more evenly to all of those young men.... except footballers now just seem interested in their own status being demonstrated by being paid more than their peers.

The problem with agents is that they don't actually seem to really care about their clients (just want to keep them sweet so they keep getting their fees) and they are perfectly capable of killing the goose that lays the golden egg (just like those nice investment bankers who gambled the world into a recession). At one time players wages were too low compared to the revenues generated, but now it is generally accepted that, if anything, they have gone too far the other way.

If Hoilett wants £70k a week to start with then he is too expensive even if we had the £4 million to burn.

"Break the wage structure"? My arse! Jumped up little twat... who does he think he is holding us to ransom? This is Everton — do you hear me — Everton, not some tin-pot little outfit from the sticks.

So he scored a couple of screamers. As someone rightly pointed out, so did Blly and where's he now? Pienaar is a far far better player... now fuck off and take your so-called talent and your absurd wage demands to the Championship grounds that you will be gracing next season This is Everton, Sonny, do you hear me... Everton!

Is right Andy.

I cant believe the clamour to break the wage structure every time some greedy little bastard has a semi decent season.

We had all this last season with Charles - 6m quid a goal - Nzogbia

Hoilett is a good player who I would like at GP. The Moyes contract situation can only help the chances of his arrival. If Bluey fails to bring in the freebies and cheapos that Moyes has interest in, then Moyes is quite within his rights to say "Fuck Off, I ain't signing!"

The second he signs that contract, Bill and the Bank manager will give a massive sigh of relief. Get the cheapos in early, sign the contract, and let's be positive for once as we head towards August.

If FIFA/UEFA want to clean up the financial mess that is rife in football then they need to start by getting rid of agents and getting each countries FA to instead bring in lawyers who get a small fixed amount of money for each transfer they work on.
These Agents make me think of that famous quote in the Dark Knight, "some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." Might be a bit melodramatic, but it's not far of the truth