Everton to get their own Uruguayan?

Wayne McNee
220 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:52:12

This is one of the better candidates suggested?

I'd prefer Pereira or Martinez though.

Paul Ellam
221 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:51:17

I would prefer Vitor Pereira or Michael Laudrup but am not too despondent with the idea of Poyet joining. He is a manager I quite like, plays attacking football and seems an honest type. Plus I don't think he would want daft wages, just the chance to show people what he can do.
There are a lot of worse choices we could take on so don't be quick to scorn!

Jon Withey
222 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:54:41

But...he just lost a massive game at home, in the champ...and its Brighton who have hit the roof ?

Patrick Murphy
224 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:55:00

Not if he signs his fellow countryman a certain Mr. Suarez.

James Martin
225 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:54:31

He has just contrived to lose a two legged tie though against what many pople would call an inferior team. He's also finished behind managers that people are happy to disregard (myself included) such as Mckay and Bruce. Ian Holoway plays decent footie and has just won so why is his name not getting banded around (not that I think it should).

Eugene Ruane
228 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:56:56

Paul (221), I don't know if I'd be dancing up and down but his appointment wouldn't send me to a darkened room for a week and as you say, there are worse choices.

(Hughes, Lennon, Weir-Neville, Rafa, Big Ron etc etc)

Colin Glassar
229 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:53:42

He is one of the best young mangers around. He's done a fantastic job at Brighton.

Jay Harris
235 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:07:50

He just brought Brighton into the championship and got to the playoffs.

All in a couple of seasons.

IMO he is a better prospect than many being bandied about.

Robin Cannon
238 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:11:32

Like Paul (221), there are managers I prefer but I wouldn't be depressed by this as an appointment. Good potential, done a really good job with Brighton, and a very positive approach to how the game is played.

Dan McKie
240 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:11:38

His time at Brighton sounds ok to me. Took over a struggling League 1 side and turned them into champions in his first full season, then got them into the playoffs in his second season in the Championship, all whilst earning plaudits for his teams style of play. His team were eventually beaten thanks to a brilliant individual performance by a player who will be at Man U next year. He also knows the Premier League from his playing days. What's not to like?

John Gee
241 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:11:29

Choked in a big game? Mad as a hatter? First line of Suarez's defence team? Failed at Leeds?

His football can't be that good, he's still in the Championship.

Steve Jones
246 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:10:34

Knows the English game better than an import, good attacking style and isn't O'Neil, Hughes or Beneathus. Three big shouts in his favour.

Only concerns are whether he has the presence to impose himself on the dressing room and whether he has the contacts and name 'in the game' to find and bring in the calibre of player we need to improve us for the right money.

I'd be quietly optimistic about next season with Poyet in charge though.

Paul Ferry
248 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:29:18

Another day, another name, hardly a surprise after losing to Saha and co.. When Wigan fail to win today Martinez's odds will be slashed (I want them to win, by the way). wait for Zola's odds to be clipped if Watford lose to Palace.

Roberto Martinez 3/1
Gus Poyet 5/1
Neil Lennon 6/1
Alan Stubbs 8/1
Malky Mackay 16/1
Phil Neville 20/1
Stuart McCall 25/1
Vitor Pereira 28/1
David Weir 33/1
Mark Hughes 33/1
Rafael Benitez 33/1
Jose Mourinho 200/1

The good news seems to be that Lennon, Stubbs, Mackay, and Neville are drifting on this measurement at any rate. Bad news is that the poll leader - Laurdrup - is nowhere now.

Martinez/Poyet, Poyet/Martinez? Hmmmmm. Seems to be coming down to a bright youngish flair sort of guy who dresses better than Moyes or an inside job, Stybbs/Beville, cheaper, safe hands (?), a recipe for me for same old, same old. Let's go down the first route please Teary Billy (has he stopped whinging yet?)

Ben Jones
250 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:36:43

Agree exactly with Robin.

Not first choice by any means, but a lot better than some choices. Would not be overly depressed. Im still thinking Martinez though.

John Gee
251 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:36:53

McCall has just won Manager of the Year in Scotland. As an ex-Everton player I'm surprised his name isn't being mentioned more often.

Poyet doesn't cut it for me, I'd rather have Neville.

Ben Jones
253 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:42:40

John,

Did you see the job he did with Bradford though? My mates a Bradford fan and he wasnt impressed. If he cant cut it in League 2 level then its a big no no for me.

Chester Barnes
255 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:38:00

Have already said I'd be happy with Poyet. Yes his team just lost but looking at the bigger picture he seems to have done well. Like others, Laudrup would be my first choice but I don't think he is available. Not to forget Swansea are in Europe, hence making them bigger than us all of a sudden. I wonder if Wigan get relegated will they be bigger than us cos they are in Europe too?!? Really don't want Lennon or to promote from within.

Colin Glassar
257 Posted 14/05/2013 at 15:46:08

Paul Ferry, thanks for that list. My only worry is that Lennon is still 6/1. Hope he's 60/1 by the weekend.

Stuart Gray
294 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:38:44

Of the names in the betting, there are some I wouldn't want at all. In order:

Neil Lennon 6/1
Mark Hughes 33/1
Rafael Benitez 33/1
Stuart McCall 25/1

I know McCall is an ex player, but I'd be worried about his Bradford record.

Mark Dunford
299 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:44:48

I work in Brighton so know a lot of fans. Poyet has done a great job and taken the club an enormous distance in a short period. the nice new ground has helped and there is real sense of community suport for the team. They play a mix of different styles and did well in the Cup this year - beating Newcastle and losing to Arsenal. Poyet would be a good choice for Everton and has a similar managerial record to Moyes when he joined. His defence of Suarez wasn't too clever.

Paul Johnson
300 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:40:59

Definitely not Lennon please Bill. I'm with Paul Ferry in that I'd much prefer Martinez/Poyet to an internal promotion. The board at EFC need to start thinking bigger and that involves attracting a top manager to a club that has just finished 6th in the Prem. Also McKay wouldn't be too bad an option, OK he doesn't have a fancy foreign name but he's no mug.

Colin Glassar
304 Posted 14/05/2013 at 16:52:11

Why can't we have a troika? Martinez, Poyet and Pereira can all take turns on a weekly basis. We would confuse the hell out of our opponents before each game.

Howard Meakin
309 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:02:36

Poyet was my choice ever since Moyes decided to go to Man Utd. Poyet joined Brighton in November 2009, with the club involved in a relegation battle in League One. He guided the Seagulls to safety and then lifted the title in his first full season in charge. Brighton only finished four points short of automatic promotion this season. Come on, you'll do for me lad.

Kevin Day
317 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:13:14

Guys, I follow Brighton as they are my second team having lived down there for a few years, he has done a remarkable job at Brighton, last night he was beaten by a top class player in Zaha, also Brighton have a poor record against Palace, do not let last nights result out you off, he plays good attractive football and is solid defensively, we certainly wouldn't fall down the league too much, if at all with Poyet at the helm. I would drive down and pick him up myself

Barry Rathbone
325 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:09:32

Leaving aside Rafa's kopite connections isn't he just a poor manager?

Numerous reds have said he got lucky inheriting Houliers team, admit he's all about defence (do we really want another one?) and eventually turned into a loon.

Torres worked because of the long ball game but he abused Alonso, completely misjudged the "Ferguson" tirade and virtually bankrupt the club

Stories from Inter Milan suggest he doesn't know what he's doing and his Chelsea outing hardly disproves it.

He may live locally but our kid says he still looks a complete tool walking the front at West Kirby with his phone glued to his head.

Ian McPherson
332 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:34:51

I agree with Wayne in the first post anyone but Pereira or Martinez would just make us look small club. Poyet seems like a bit of a loose cannon like Di Canio.

Would probably clap Suarez if he scored against us.

Paul Ellam
334 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:41:41

Regarding Poyet sticking up for Suarez - he has only done that because he is Uruguayan. How many other people in football stick up for their "mates" regardless of the shit they have caused? Cole and Terry for example.
It's what football people do so I wouldn't attach much to that.
Also regarding Poyet losing the playoff, yes it's a bad defeat but you can't judge a guy on a couple of games. The fact Brighton were even that far up the league is astonishing so I think he deserves a bit more credit. And people questioning his links in football - both he and Zola will have stacks of contacts, they were both successful players at very famous clubs and both are liked by many so I would not worry about which contacts they have, I'm sure they have many, certainly more than a certain Mr Moyes had! (and he did ok)
Saying all this, I would still prefer a couple of other bosses, but getting him doesn't fill me with fear.

Graeme Jenkinson
342 Posted 14/05/2013 at 17:52:08

I would love Gus Poyet to get the job.... Because I backed him at 25-1 on a hunch.

Richard Dodd
348 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:09:56

Have to say Lennon is my only `dread` on the list above. Suspect BK will still be buggering about in two months` time and than give it to Neville.
Whoever takes over has a very hard act to follow and Sixth may one day be looked back on as Gloryland!

Anthony Flack
349 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:11:32

What about Mancini

Steve Edwards
371 Posted 14/05/2013 at 18:56:11

The way he interviews, he reminds me of Moyes only with a Spanish accent. In other words he sounds quite impressive. Very down to earth, common sense, I wouldn't be despondent if he got the job. Like one or two have already stated though, it's a bit worrying loosing vital games the way he has. No matter who we get only time will tell if they are the right man to manage our beloved club. We better all keep our fingers crossed.

David Wharton
378 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:08:03

The closest decent club to me is Brighton and I've been to watch them play a few times this season.

Poyet has taken them from an average league 1 side to a promotion chasing championship side on a minimal budget. They play good attacking football, are exciting to watch, know how to score goals and aren't afraid to push forwards.

I think of all the managers linked so far, he would be the best bet by a long way.

Would be a shame for Brighton, but a real win for the blues.

Is it too early to say IPWT? ;)

Ross Edwards
380 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:19:18

I'd be happy, but as long as he stops supporting Sewer Rat!

Charles Barrow
381 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:13:36

I live in Brighton. Been to see Brighton a few times this season. Nothing special!!

He pissed me off with his Suarez quotes and I think wouldn't stick around too long, waiting for Chelsea; Spurs etc.

Mark Dunford - lets meet up next season for a couple of games in the Palmeira! There's only one other blue I know locally, so you'll increase my Evertonian mates in Brighton by 100%

Mark Frere
385 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:21:55

Ross Edwards, you seem to of gone all quiet on the Frank De Boer front, is it because you got called a tosser the other day and to stop mentioning De Boer a million times a day? I'm still quite keen on De Boer, not that I think there's any chance of BK choosing him

Anthony Jaras
388 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:31:42

Poyet. No thanks. No chance.

Martinez or Mackay it'll be.

My money is on the former.

Ross Edwards
390 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:32:40

I was touting him Mark, but then I remembered we had that idiotic moron BK in charge, he probably hasn't even heard of him.
Still unconvinced by this Porto bloke.

Paul Ellam
395 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:44:11

What's not to like about Porto man?
Been at the club 2 years, won trophies, on the cusp of winning another.
Learned his trade from the likes of Mourinho and AVB.
No compensation to pay.
Likes to play attacking football.
Looks good in a suit.
It's all there!!!
I say get him in pronto

Ross Edwards
396 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:48:52

Right, get him in!!

John Crawley
401 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:55:29

Why Poyet and not Holloway, apart from an in built bias against British managers?

Colin Glassar
402 Posted 14/05/2013 at 19:57:01

I'll pick him up at the airport. Oh wait, we don't do airport pick ups do we? Memories of Walker and Naughton.

Steven Telford
460 Posted 14/05/2013 at 20:59:09

Poyet is not cut from the right cloth to manage Everton. His words betray that he does not carry the right tradition.

And if it were to be him, and he "hit the roof" with Everton, it means we would be exactly where Moyes now has us. Then he would leave us? course he would, to the highest bidder.

Don't we need somebody that will persevere? Moyes hit the roof when he got us to 4th, but he continued to persevere. ,P>Not that great a list of the possibilities, I guess Matrinez stands out.

Steve Donoghue
462 Posted 14/05/2013 at 20:47:49

I think we all would love a manager that plays attacking football and can defend well. There is no-one on the bookies' list except the Porto man... Do you think he would come here? You need money to do a good job in the Prem. It took Moyes 11 years buying and selling players to make his money and Bill has got none to give him.

Steven Telford
468 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:09:07

Did I curse Martinez, they just conceded 3 in 8 mins.
Well, some anti Moyes guys may counter that with: "at least he plays attacking football"

Rick Pattinson
469 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:09:23

I'm not sure about Gus Poyet but, compared to some of the names being thrown around, maybe this would be a gamble that may pay off. Managers should be queueing for this beloved club.

I would prefer somebody with links to the club and one that has a passion for the club, not a manager that's purely in it for the cash.

Watching Phil Neville Saturday and the things he said on TV I absolutely changed my view on him even being in the running. I saw something in him and thought, "You know what, this bloke loves the club and he looked like a manager in the making."

So what I'm saying is give Phil Neville a season as manager!!!!!!

Tony Twist
470 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:07:17

C'mon, BK, get your finger out and get Poyet in so we all know where we stand. The typical thing that Everton tend to do is wait and wait and wait, he stays where he is and within a year he's been successful and then there is no chance us getting him.

God help us if we get some ol' Evertonians in. Hope BK isn't now thinking of David Platt now that he has resigned! Porto manager sounds good also, though I think Poyet would be a better option.

James Martin
471 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:15:48

He certainly doesn't play defensive football Steven - don't think anyone's ever mentioned the word 'defense' to Wigan.

Colin Glassar
475 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:17:51

So if Martinez came suddenly we would forget how to defend? Hope he's named tomorrow tbh.

James Martin
480 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:21:28

Maybe it would be coached out of them Colin, you know the way Moyes ruined all our strikers.

Stuart O'Malley
483 Posted 14/05/2013 at 20:44:11

I remember when wally smith got stood up but Igor Protti at the airport. Probably read about him on the plane over.

Phil Roberts
487 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:20:54

Yes we would forget because it would be coached out of us.

Rather be winning than losing.

Phil Sammon
499 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:25:09

Whelan was on TalkSport today yapping about his FUCKING broken leg.

He said that Kenwright was 'Too much of a gentleman' to approach Wigan for Martinez - as if approaching a club about their managers was wholly undignified. I've always liked Whelan, but lately he's really doing my head in. That broken leg tale is as worn out as Boys Pen Bill.

Back to Martinez - it does worry me how shite Wigan are. The only rationale that I can come up with to justify us taking him on, is that his style will be more suitable with better players. Some managers are built for PL stability (Big Sam) - maybe Martinez is not.

Another worry is that with the bit of money he's had, he's signed some real shite. Moyes was a real bargain hunter - do we need someone who can search out hidden gems again?

Stuart O'Malley
500 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:23:51

Martinez for me. Is the type of manager who likes to do exactly that, manage. He likes to be involved in the running of the club not just the first team, seems to have a good ethos and I like his manner to o. I also believe he would GET what it means to be manager of Everton Football Club, and would look to build and create his own dynasty here. And if he hangs onto the likes of stubbs, irvine and sheedy, married with his attacking philosophy I think it could really work, and believe it will. Dont think it will be confirmed until end of season as Martinez is too respectful for that. I will be seriously disappointed if it is not Roberto.

David Finney
501 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:01:32

I put Poyet in the same group as Martinez and Zola. It wouldn't be a Hughes, O'Neill, Lennon type disaster but it won't get my pulse racing either. I do wonder about some of the objections being put forward regarding some of the candidates. Poyet lost a game against Palace therefore he isn't good enough? Seriously?

Aman Ka
505 Posted 14/05/2013 at 21:38:30

Sorry, I'm a little confused why people keep mentioning Martinez as a strong candidate. What has he done with Wigan since he's been there IN THE LEAGUE?

Great, he's won a cup BUT who would want EFC to win a cup in the next 3 years with an average league position of 18!

I for one would return my season ticket.

Stuart O'Malley
513 Posted 14/05/2013 at 20:44:11

I remember when wally smith got stood up but Igor Protti at the airport. Probably read about him on the plane over.

James Lauwervine
605 Posted 14/05/2013 at 22:40:30

Stephen #460, my thoughts exactly. The quote, if accurate, makes me think 'No thanks'.

James Lauwervine
613 Posted 14/05/2013 at 22:43:26

Sorry 'Steven'. And from someone whose name is spelt wrong every frigging day!

Steve Jones
654 Posted 14/05/2013 at 23:05:25

Steven 460/James 605

I think you have to expect our 'roof'' to be considerably higher than that at his current side though.

If 4th place in the Prem is our roof then his choice of teams to move on to, after getting exasperated with us, is a bit on the slim side. If, under Poyet, we string together a couple of top 4 finishes, that represent the extent of our 'ambition', isn't that taking us further forward than where we are today? Wouldn't we then be a more attractive outfit for a takeover?

Martinez to me, tactically, looks like a lightweight. His signings do not inspire much confidence and I'm not sure a man who's managed to get his side relegated will be able to walk into the dressing room of the 6th best side in the country and command respect. Poyet's reputation, despite the play-off miss, is a good one and I'd go as far as to say the better one of the two.

Peter Warren
667 Posted 14/05/2013 at 23:27:02

Managed to get his side relegated! Fuck me I have no idea what his wage bill is but would imagine it's 30M less than ours and his whole squad cost around £20M. He looks like a class act. Then again I would also be keen on Holloway — perhaps I just like managers who attack and don't worry about defending and I'm as mad as Holloway!!!!

Tom Bowers
691 Posted 15/05/2013 at 01:37:14

Managers who have had some success in lower divisions cannot be compared to the big stage. Moyes came from success at Preston but never really convinced me he was up to Prem standard although he had limited success albeit over 11 seasons. He has served his apprenticeship, however, and will now be put to the test at Man Utd with unlimited resources.

I have no confidence in most of the names mentioned, including Poyet. Martinez is the only one I would go for; now Wigan are down, he may want to remain in the top tier... bringing with him the likes of Kone.

James Lauwervine
720 Posted 15/05/2013 at 08:07:38

Steve #654 I take your point but I think his comments are disrespectful to the club he's at. He should be a 100% committed to the club that's paying his salary and keep his mouth shut about such things IMO.

Sam Hoare
734 Posted 15/05/2013 at 08:55:43

Were Brighton not comparatively big spenders in the championship? I know they bought that Mackail-Smith lad for about £5m.

Is Poyet not in almost the exact position Moyes was a decade ago having brought a team up from division 1 as champions and then got knocked out of the play offs? Given how we have improved in the last ten years I would have hoped we might aim slightly higher.

Steve Jones
744 Posted 15/05/2013 at 09:14:46

James 720

Fair comment, but, does that make him an honest man saying what he feels?. Certainly, on here, the cry is a common one that Moyes was too respectful of the Board when he should have been more open and combative about the shackles that were being placed on him.

Could it be that Poyet is exactly the kind of disrespectful we need given the Board we have!.

David Israel
975 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:40:25

Paul Ellam # 395, quite a few people on this thread seem to live in Brighton. Well, I've been living in Porto for a few years now, and most Porto supporters don't like Victor Pereira. True, he won the League last season, and is now favourite to win it again on Sunday, but has been less than impressive in Europe and his playing style is ofetn boring and unimaginative. The fact is, there are only two strong teams in the Portuguese League, and signing him on the strength of his record would be like signing Neil Lennon.

Furthermore, he was indeed number two to Andre Villas-Boas, but he never worked under Mourinho, just to put the record straight.

He also strikes me as a man not fully confident of his abilities, and he seems to have problems in working the dressing-room. In other words: no, thanks.

The ones I'd prefer are Roberto Martinez and Malky McKay. Gus Poyet has indeed done a great job at Brighton, but sounds too impulsive and mercurial for my taste.

Matt Traynor
985 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:51:43

James Lauwervine 613 Posted 14/05/2013 at 22:43:26
"Sorry 'Steven'. And from someone whose name is spelt wrong every frigging day!"

I don't understand. How do people spell "James" wrong so easily?

Stu Smith
114 Posted 15/05/2013 at 21:26:25

Id like us to go for Favre he is a good manager or De Boer. If the rumours are true and whoever comes in will be on less money than Moyes then I cant see us signing a big name manager.

Frida Ericsson
268 Posted 16/05/2013 at 05:33:52

no thanks to poyet, he would be out of his depth managing in the premier league. Very keen to jump ship because he hit the ceiling?...does not inspire confidence for me. He would hit the ceiling with everton very quickly, with his lack of premier league experience imo

Steven Telford
292 Posted 16/05/2013 at 08:40:33

tony #740
No, I know Martinez does not play defensive football, my point was that people have a go at Moyes for not being enough of a risk taker, and looking at the arsenal game - I am saying, well look to the score.

Steve Jones
344 Posted 16/05/2013 at 11:13:02

Frida

He hit the ceiling of what Brighton could deliver. This season, even with a mid-term spell when Moyes couldnt get the lads roused up enough to do more than draw a shedload of matches on the spin (and with an inexplicably broken Jelavic), we finish 6th....as I mentioned before our 'ceiling' is high enough that there aren't many teams above us to go to!.

The problem with Poyet isn't his temperament or over-ambition...the question isn't whether we are big enough for him...we are its that simple. The question is whether or not he can find, attract and develop the standard of players needed to improve a top-6 side. I'd suggest that would be a question mark that would hang over most of the listed candidates though....with the possible exception of Pereira.

David Israel
466 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:24:24

Steve Jones, that's another draw-back for Pereira: he has no experience of the transfer market. It's the Porto board and Director of Football that scout the market and suggest signings to him.

Greg Lambden
553 Posted 16/05/2013 at 18:52:15

He'd soon 'hit the roof' at Goodison. No money, can't improve on 6th, roof hit.

Paul Kelly
628 Posted 16/05/2013 at 21:48:19

Just been suspended by Brighton. Could be on the cards.

Does bill know who he is?

James Peter
760 Posted 17/05/2013 at 08:56:15

I'd be a lot happier with Poyet than most of the names in the running! He has potential considering his relative successes in charge of Brighton. His teams appear to play good football and wants he wants to play the game in the right way. To the contrary however I believe Everton would be a gamble for him as I think he's very ambitious and may look at our glass ceiling and wonder whether he could do a better job than Moyes, which would blot his copy book. I think with the timing of Poyets fall out with Brighton and Martinez's relegation, I believe come Monday we will have an appointment of one of these two.