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No contact regarding Laudrup so far

23/05/2013 | Comments (144)
Though he has been identified as one of the candidates Bill Kenwright is believed to be considering as a potential replacement for David Moyes, Swansea City say that they have received no contact thus far from Everton regarding Michael Laudrup.

The Dane has been strongly linked with the Goodison hotseat since Moyes announced his intention to leave and take the reins at Manchester United but he would not come cheap.

The new contract he signed at the Liberty Stadium in March reportedly has an escape clause of around £5m and there would likely be additional compensation required on top of that to land him.

Real Madrid, who could more easily afford to prise the 48 year-old away from Swansea, are also said to be interested.

According to reports and speculation, Kenwright has interviewed three internal candidates and will talk to a number of external prospects as well before making his decision.

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John Gee
074 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:43:54
Some of the speculation is a bit silly now isn't it?

We haven't contacted a man who we can't afford, doesn't want to come and may possibly be offered the RM job.

I'm not sure about Laudrup anyway. He seems to jump ship very quickly and I'm not really sure what he's done to benefit a club other than the Tin Pot cup. There's plenty of managers who were well regarded as players, who have won trophies and could be tempted. Why aren't the likes of Blanc, Deschamps, Simeone and all the other I can't think of being mentioned? Would Laudrup even be mentioned in the media if he didn't live on these isles?

Ross Edwards
077 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:54:45
Lets get some rumours about Bielsa put out everywhere. Get some attention for him and get something started.
Thomas James
079 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:55:52
Why not Lucien Favre??
Barry Rathbone
081 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:57:38
Ross, sorry mate agree with a lot you say but the bits i've read about this lad plus his dreadful Argentina managership indicates another Moyes - only more self obsessed!
Ross Edwards
084 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:00:55
Barry, don't hold a judgement based on one area of his career. Many successful club managers have struggled to adapt to international management, Capello, Sacchi, Trapattoni. Believe you me, based on his ripping apart of Man U in the Europa last year, he is definitely not another Moyes.
Barry Rathbone
093 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:06:20
Well Ross I'm not going to hang him on "web cuttings" alone it's as mad as this hysteria over Vitor Pershape but he's 57 now - if he was all that surely he'd have come to the fore by now.

Can't see Kenwright doing anything other than playing cheap and safe tbh which probably means Robert Elstone taking over team affairs.

Steve Ferns
097 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:17:55
To say Bielsa was a disaster at Argentina couldn't be more wrong and shows that you have read the press clippings and have not researched the topic.

Bielsa did the unthinkable at Argentina and refused to play Riquelmhe. yes that Riquelmhe, Juan Roman, to be precise.

Beilsa does not have a role for the traditional number 10 in his style of play. It's all about explosive football and high insensitive pressing. Riquelmhe is neither explosive nor fit, and never has been. At the height of his powers, Riquelmhe was too good to be left out, Bielsa's tactics were compromised and he failed as Riquelmhe could not fit into his style of play. Argentina were not disastrous and he was margins away from success to be fair to the guy. He learnt a lesson form that day, and has since never comprised again. It's now his way or the highway. And his way is best, otherwise Klopp, directly, and Bayern indirectly, would not be contesting the Champions League Final with two teams based entirely upon his philosophies. Guardiola is another of his high profile disciples.

Mark Pierpoint
098 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:19:39
I can take or leave Laudrup. If you look at his managerial career he has not pulled up any trees. Lets be honest he did well in beating Chelsea in the league cup over two legs. After that Bradford was a given over one leg. (i know they beat Arsenal and Villa) but after that they finished with a wimper anyway. The real work was done by Rogers and Martinez at swansea in developing a philosophy within the club
Steve Ferns
100 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:25:19
I completely agree with you Mark. Take away Swansea and you have a largely unsuccessful career. The first 6 months at Swansea may have been down to a combination of what came before or the introduction of Michu. The last 6 months may be down to a shift in priorities towards the League Cup and then a hangover after it. For me, you can only really judge Laudrup at Swansea after next season when he's answered the doubts I and others have raised. I would not give him the Everton job or pay that £10m fee on the back of his first 6 months at Swansea, unless Michu was included.
Andrew Presly
102 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:25:48
Maradona, for a laugh? We wouldn't get Europe or go down, so biz as usual, but much more fun.
Steve Ferns
103 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:29:21
If you want fun Andrew get Bielsa in, buzz off the best football you have ever seen played at Goodison and enjoy champions League football next season.
Barry Rathbone
109 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:31:51
Steve Ferns have you spoken to Bielsa personally for your insight or did you get your info elsewhere?
Mark Pierpoint
112 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:35:07
I agree that Bielsa would be a great call. Loved watching his athletic team last year. Also any manager of Athletic Club knows the importance of history and principle and this would resonate with Everton fans.

On Laudrup what his lauding shows is the power of the media. When he was on MOTD they were fawning over him. He was a great player and because of this the media have amplified his managerial abilities to ridiculous levels. Seriously he wins England's 4th most important competition against a 4th division club and people are thinking he may go to Real Madrid? get real

Steve Ferns
115 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:39:49
I am a massive fan of Bielsa and have followed him intensely for over 5 years. I read everything I can about the guy. The likes of Tim Vickery, Brian glanville, Jonathon Wilson, Sid Lowe, magazines like the Blizzard and World Soccer Magazine and websites like Zonal Marking give you great insights from the thinking football journalists.

I don't think I am the only Evertonian whose Spanish side is Bilbao. I have always had an intrigue for the club our manager left us for and this has only grown on understanding why a club which can only recruit basque players can be one with an English name that has predominantly been managed by foreigners from the start and mainly by Englishmen. When bielsa went there, it intensified my interest in the club, and I have since followed everything I can find written about the guy.

Steve Ferns
120 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:56:51
Here is a Tim vickery article, written for the BBC upon his appointment to the Chilé job. Here, Bielsa has not had the success of Bilbao or Chilé to build his reputation and vickery comments only on his success in his native Argentina, a brief spell in Spain (ended only to take the national job) and his "failure" with Argentina and as a man close to action Vickery dispels the myth that Bielsa was a failure at Argentina

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/6943705.stm

Gavin Wadeson
135 Posted 23/05/2013 at 23:16:45
For me, one of the most surprising outcomes of the second ToffeeWeb poll was how few people voted for Bielsa. After reading all of the support for him on various posts, I thought he would've been a lot more popular with the fans. Keep plugging away, Ross & Steve. You never know who might be reading....
Kev Johnson
139 Posted 23/05/2013 at 23:36:44
Ross and Steve? Steve was miles ahead on this one. Me and a few others joined in as quick as we could. Ross only arrived at the Bielsa party a couple of days ago!
James Stewart
143 Posted 23/05/2013 at 23:41:00
Laurdrup would be a mistake. I have a feeling Swansea will tank next year. His tactics came unstuck a lot in the league which gets glossed over.

Flavour of the month sure but I doubt he will be around in a year or two

Mike Jones
146 Posted 23/05/2013 at 23:45:47
John Gee, to your final question, my view is 'no'
Gavin Wadeson
153 Posted 24/05/2013 at 00:02:14
Sorry, Kev, I didn't realise Ross was a latecomer. Keep plugging away, Steve & Kev et al
Paulo Hogerio
160 Posted 24/05/2013 at 01:19:52
Bielsa to be Evertons new manager in the next 48hrs watch this space. His contract has now finished at Bilbao and he has met BK this week in the south of France. Radical change can only be good for our beloved team
Alex Mullan
162 Posted 24/05/2013 at 01:38:25
Paulo,

Beelzebub meets Bielsa in south France? BK doesn't even know who Bielsa is! Your also clearly mad if you think BK spent money on a flight that Ryan Air does not offer.

Paulo Hogerio
164 Posted 24/05/2013 at 02:17:16
All that I can say is watch this space. Bielsa will be at Everton.
Jason Heng
166 Posted 24/05/2013 at 02:25:54
Yup, been watching 24/7 for new investments, new players and now new manager.
Harold Matthews
174 Posted 24/05/2013 at 04:03:24
Dream on lads. These Continentals are specialised coaches. BK is looking for a steady, trustworthy, old fashioned manager who can run the whole show while the Board get on with doing their own thing. Malky or the West Brom guy would fit the bill. Martinez I'm not sure about but every word he utters, even after a 6-0 walloping, is always 100% positive and BK would like that.

Can't think of many steady, trustworthy alternatives apart from Neville with Stubbs, Irvine, Weir or Round but that's too scary to dwell on.

Eric Myles
183 Posted 24/05/2013 at 07:06:28
Mark #112, were you saying the same thing about Moyes to United by any chance?
Ross Edwards
215 Posted 24/05/2013 at 09:55:12
Kev, you are partly right mate. Reading Steve's points on Bielsa convinced me. So, therefore, to stop me from talking about DM all the time, I decided to put forward an argument as well for him, because I thought Steve's argument was being ignored.
So in a way, Me, Steve and you have convinced everyone for Bielsa. I'm not taking the credit mate. Don't shoot, I is the messenger!
Ross Edwards
217 Posted 24/05/2013 at 09:57:53
"Bielsa to be Evertons new manager in the next 48hrs watch this space. His contract has now finished at Bilbao and he has met BK this week in the south of France. Radical change can only be good for our beloved team"
This is what we need you to tweet Paulo. If John Crawley can find those twitter addresses, we can send this to all of them. This could get something moving.
It may be abolute rubbish, but we all thought Paddy Power's rumours about Fergie's retirement was rubbish didn't we?
Good post Paulo. Someone tweet that NOW!
Ross Edwards
221 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:21:59
Paulo, if you have Twitter, tweet the post you have just written to any of these addresses that John Crawley found yesterday and pasted on the Perreira thread. This will get something started.
@StellingJeff
@paddypower
@bbc606
/@Joey7Barton
@philmcnulty (football correspondent for BBC)
@mdunn1982 (head of sport for sun)
@ColinMurray
@CWheelerDM (North West sports reporter for Daily Mail)
@SteveWilson1967 (BBC match of day commentator)
@talkSPORTKO
@mickquinn1089
@neilashton_ (football writer Daily Mail)
@MirrorFootball
@BKL_Productions (Bill Kenwright's official twitter)
@tSPressPass
@iomatrix23 (Marco Materatzi!)
Kev Shearer
222 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:07:43
Steve ferns....are you for real?....still harping on about Bielsa

And by your own admission you think he will be a great appointment because World Soccer Magazine told you so!!

Quite staggering...Do you not think that if he was all that then a top club either english or european would have been sniffing round him...I havent heard St.Bielsas name linked with R.Madrid.....have you????

And as for kev and ross.....you two are a joke....you only want Bielsa because Steve told you hes a top manager..

Dont you have your own opinions?? Your like kids in a classroom the lot of ya....."steve told us to miss because he knows best"

Paulo Hogerio
224 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:18:29
This is not rubbish Ross, it looks like your wish has come true. My cousin fredricio works at the hotel where they met I have seen the pics.
Brent Stephens
227 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:28:09
Paulo, can we see the pics as well, mate?
Ged Simpson
228 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:32:42
Pics Paulo
Kev Shearer
230 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:34:58
Hello Paulo.....where have you gone sunshine???
Kev Shearer
232 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:36:26
Tell "your mate fredrico" to come on here and back your story up!!!!.......paulo?...paulo....you still there paulo???
Paulo Hogerio
237 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:46:42
Kev(232) keep on this site mate the info that you non believers need will be shown shortly sometime today.
Chris Keightley
238 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:50:18
Paulo shit if you ask me !!!
Chris Keightley
240 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:53:52
Paulo - Kenwright was in London this week and conducted a few interviews his flight to south of france would have been noted !! if you have pictures then I would have thought they were taken in never never land !!
Ged Simpson
241 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:02:13
Hope Paulo is right and who knows - he may be. In the end - no-one knows. But Paulo - pics ?
Paulo Hogerio
242 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:01:26
Keep watching all will be revealed very soon!!!!!!!!!
Chris Keightley
244 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:04:25
Paulo you photo shopping a pic with them in does not count but nice try lol
Paul Ferry
245 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:04:29
I for one am on tenterhooks; stop teasing Paulo, show us the goods.

'Very soon': I can't bear it any longer

Steven Telford
246 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:51:59
From the point of view of the club, we don’t want the embarrassment of offering it to a person who does not then take it.

Staying quite = I am waiting for you to come knocking, but last time I did a public job interview it went belly up (Martinez)

I have a lot of respect for Everton = I would take it is it were offered, but know thee is almost no chance. (Benithez)

Laudrups “no” seems to me to be a true “no”

I’m flattered = I would like this job, and will take it if personal terms can be agreed.
Has anyone apart from GN said they are flattered?

Anyone know the public reactions of various candidates?

Keith Edmunds
248 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:08:53
we all know paulo is bollox right?
Steve King
249 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:18:07
Haha Paulo,

I haven't been this excited about a mythical set of pictures since Lucy Pinder finally got her Nips out!!!

Kev Shearer
250 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:12:14
have to agree with Chris Keightley.....Kenwright cant be in two places at once Paulo...hes been interviewing all week so not sure how you have come to that conclusion...and if Kenwright was flying to south of France then he would have been seen by the media...come on mate...use ya loaf eh?
Scott Hamilton
251 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:22:01
Frederico? Paolo? Managers with names like Pereira, Martinez and Bielsa?

Somebody pinch me...!

Tim Jones
252 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:16:28
Paulo thats a really GAY name right?
Scott Hamilton
253 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:26:44
It's Italian for Paul, Tim. Not the campest really.

Not as camp as Timothy anyway...

Kev Shearer
254 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:29:45
Hahahaha.....Scott......what a great comeback lad....thats a fantastic reply...what a doozy!!!!!
Kev Johnson
255 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:09:26
Kev Shearer @ 222. Hold on, let's get this straight... You knew nothing about Bielsa, so therefore you assume that no one else did before Steve Ferns piped up? Why would you jump to that conclusion?

Bilbao's performance against Man Utd the season before last struck me at the time as the best club performance I had seen in a very long time. I was (and am) bored of Spanish tippy-tappy stuff, but I was hugely impressed by the dynamism of Bielsa's team. When you factored in that Bilbao only use Basque players it was even more incredible.

At this point I realised that the manager had also been in charge of Chile in the previous World Cup, when they had played with admirable skill, verve, intensity and attacking intent. I also remembered that he had managed Argentina, not entirely successfully from what I knew. I'd come across various articles about him which made him sound like something of a maverick, with a unique take on the game, but it was the Bilbao magnificent performances against Man Utd that made me put all of the pieces of the jigsaw together. I formed the opinion then that Bielsa is an inspired tactician, and it made me laugh (or, rather, snort with derision) when people praised the arch pragmatist DM for his tactics, even going so far as to describe them as "innovative".

Like kids in a classroom, eh? I suggest you do a bit of homework, Mr Shearer.

Kev Shearer
257 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:34:01
Kevin kevin kevin.......bless ya cotton socks my deluded friend!

Dont you see the point im making?

Bilbao, Napoli, Chile, Argentina etc....all a mixture of South American and continental Football....

Never managed in England before and your wanting him to use ua as an experiment to see if he cuts the mustard...

No thanks, were not Sunderland or Stoke etc....were EFC!!

Plus, his continental approach to tactics may not be of any use in the fast paced, physical world of English Football....maybe in Spain or South America it would because its slower with more time on the ball with more emphasis in technique...

Your thinking of the wrong Everton lad, your confusing us with the Everton in chile!

So forget this silly notion of hiring Bielsa once and for all...

Go home, give ur head a wobble, do your homework and get under ya duvet and have a long long sleep......

James Stewart
258 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:50:00
Paulo I hope your right!
Chris Leyland
261 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:03:37
Doesn't 'Tim Jones' translate as 'Peter Barry' in some languages?
Patrick Murphy
262 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:00:41
Whoever gets the job either from the UK or Abroad will have to hit the ground running as the competition to qualify for the Uefa cup will no doubt be fiercer with the news that the winners of the competition in 2015 will qualify for CL for the following season.

I'm not sure whether it's a good idea as it means somebody who fails to qualify from CL groups and goes into Uefa will have a second-bite at qualifying for CL.

So if this had been in place this season Chelsea would have qualified virtue of winning Uefa, but it's not clear whether Spurs would have got a place in next season's CL virtue of Chelsea.

Maybe someone has more information on this.

Paulo Hogerio
267 Posted 24/05/2013 at 11:55:38
Photos within the hour folks. Just like asda
Tim Jones
268 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:14:51
Just as Chris Leyland translates to 'Pedantic Moron'
Tim Jones
269 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:15:53
OooooH Scott you are a one!!!!!
John Otway
270 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:22:06
The phrase "Quit while your behind" comes to mind Tim.
Tim Jones
271 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:24:43
I prefer 'Never leave your friends behind' actually John
Ged Simpson
272 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:25:33
Tim and Scott - make friends and just love the club.

Tim Jones
273 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:28:50
Yes lets kiss and make up LOL
Brent Stephens
274 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:29:25
A few bum steers on this thread.
Scott Hamilton
275 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:30:28
Ged/Tim - Consider it done!

Paolo - Come on, we're all dying to see these photos of Bill at the bar in The Rover's Return with some bloke photoshopped in next to him... ;)

Paulo Hogerio
276 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:27:06
Come on ladies stop the bickering , all that the fans want is a winner, put your handbags down now.
Ross Edwards
277 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:35:20
Kev Shearer
I'm a joke eh? Who do you want as the next manager exactly?
Andrew Ellams
278 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:34:00
Paolo,you really need to deliver here
Ross Edwards
279 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:36:43
Come on Paulo, where's the photees mate? I'm so excited!
Ged Simpson
280 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:41:29
With ya Ross
Phil Sammon
282 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:44:26
I suggested starting this rumour yesterday...and even I'm excited about Paulo's promises.
Steve Ferns
283 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:10:39
Kev Shearer

No I do not think that Bielsa is a great manager because World Soccer Mag told me so. I said my interest in him was started after listening to Tim Vickery talk about him on Radio 5. I have linked and named all of the informed football journalists I am aware of, because they all agree on the guy being an outstanding and innovative coach. I challenge you to find a football journalist who does not rate him. And do not quote some bloke from a tabloid.

As I said previously, Bilbao are my spanish team, and have been since Kendall went there in 1987. I watch every game shown on sky sports, which since Bielsa came increased dramatically. I watch a lot of others other live streams. I can formulate an opinion based on what I can see.

Furthermore, Bielsa is someone that people love to write about, post videos about and his press conferences are frequnetly dissected and used as the basis for coaching classes. The likes of Moyes and other coaches who look to develop thier skills frequently go to seminars where what Bielsa is up to is the subject of the day. On an aside, I noted with interest Klinnsmans comments on Moyes and Everton and his attendances at these seminars.

As for no big club being interested in Beilsa, you are wrong. He has been approached by many big clubs over the years, including Barcelona and most recently Inter Milan (Summer 2012 to be precise) but typical Bielsa he turned them down as he does not like managing big clubs, as he prefers a club which will allow him to stamp himself all over the club from top to bottom, in a similar way to what he has done here.

Bielsa is clearly the manager's manager and every coach you can find talking about Bielsa hails him as a genius. I think others have commented on his lack of success, but I think you'll find that he's laden with trophies in Argentina, where he was the countries top dog before being given the job with the national side. He also was pulling Espanyol up the table in La Liga at the time of getting the Chilé job. Napoli want him and they have Champions League football to offer him.

If you want Everton to get to the top, without spending money, then you need a manager like Bielsa. The best someone like Martinez can do is to keep us where we are, but I seriously have my doubts. I request a top class coach first and foremost and believe it is time to finally look abroad. There's a reason the national game lacks technique and that is down to British coaching.

The English game is no where near as fast as it once was, and the leagues of Italy and Spain are not as slow as they once where. Just google videos of Everton in the 80s to see how much quicker the game was back then. Bielsa is the only coach I can see with the vision, tactics, strategy, and coaching abilities to take us to the next level without the need for major investment. Buy hey, you put forward your Harry Redknapp dinosaur types if you want.

Dave Lynch
285 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:45:48
Has anyone worked out yet that his name is an anagram of.

Pooo huge liar......

Ross Edwards
287 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:53:34
Hear Hear Steve. Don't give in to Kev. He can put forward whoeverl he wants. You are putting a brilliant case forward for a top name in world football. Keep in going.
Andrew Ellams
288 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:55:42
Well the hour is up so time to see if Dave Lynch is right, which I suspect he probably is
Ross Edwards
289 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:58:06
Come on Paulo, I'm so close to the edge of my seat, I'm teetering on the brink here!
Chris Leyland
290 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:53:56
Tim Jones - as you have suggested I am indeed a pedant and I'm therefore excessively concerned with precision. Given this, I need to know if you are Peter Barry or not? You've never actually answered this question. So, go on, just to satisfy my pedantic nature can you give us precise answer?
Ross Edwards
291 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:02:05
God, two events we're looking forward to now! Paulo's pics, and Tim/Peter's ID! Stay tuned folks...
Davie Turner
293 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:01:50
Bielsa would be a good manager for Everton, shame it ain't going to happen, you read that here first..

Interestingly since the shortlist was rumoured on Sky a name that wasn't on that list has seen their odds drop sharply to 4th Favourite today, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. The bookies must be loving this take over, new favourites every day.

Ross Edwards
294 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:09:19
I think we've been reading that for about 4 weeks now Davie...
Ernie Baywood
295 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:00:47
Steve, isn't it a bit much to claim he's been a success at Bilbao? I repeat what I said on the other thread. 8th... 6th... Bielsa joins... 10th... 12th and fallen out with everyone.

How long was the Espanyol success story? I think I read a couple of months.

You might be right, and he may be a genius, but everything I've read (as a result of your posts - I didn't just dismiss it) makes him sound very high risk. A short term manager who implements his philosophy regardless of whether he's got the players to play it, and unproven at domestic level beyond some Argentinian sides 15-20 years ago.

You must see he would come with significant risk?

Kev Johnson
298 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:21:38
Much as I admire Bielsa, and much as I'd like him to come to us, Ernie's right, he IS high risk. Bottom line is: do we want to take a risk now? My answer is: yes, probably. Bielsa's way - if it works (and it is an "if") - swerves around the whole only-money-buys-you-success argument. He gets teams to play well by sheer tactical acumen, by outfoxing the opposition, whatever their standing. It's a way of outperforming the opposition - which is what sport is all about for me. The alternative is just looking at the team sheets and saying: "Man City (or whoever) have spent more money and have the better team" which is pretty boring.

I can't see him coming because BK is entranced by DM and seems to want to more of the same. He thinks we have done wonderfully well in the last 11 years and wants someone to carry on the good work. Bielsa is a radical change of direction. I don't see BK going for that at all.

Steve Ferns
299 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:13:14
Of course he's high risk Ernie. There's problems such as the language barrier and the fact that because it is different that it might just not work out. I did say before something like that it might not work out, but even if it did we'd have a bit of fun with him in, and there would be benefits regardless.

Bielsa would raise our profile. Bielsa is a rent-a-quote. He's the most quoted man in spain at the moment. He says funny things and as a result everyone loves him and everyone listens. This would mean we would get more media exposure which would have a positive knock on effect for us.

Bielsa however, would be less risk than other managers in a lot of other ways. No compensation, as he is out of contract. He's unlikely to spend big, unlike most of the other candidates, and therefore he's unlikely to leave a financial black hole on leaving. He's also never one to be sacked and paid off. Bielsa usually finishes his contract or walks away. So it's unlikely we would have to pay him off it does go wrong.

The builders story is a mountain out of a molehill and differs depending on where you read it and may be down to translation issues and trying to make it all fit in with the El Loco image. Bielsa is a much calmer man than Moyes, he has never grabbed a player around the throat (AVDM) and after losing the Europa Leage and Spanish Cup finals (see the youtube vid I posted) was relaxed calm and composed as he addressed his team at length after the game.

So whilst there is risk I do not think it's a high stakes gamble as someone else might be.

As for Espanyol, no it was not a success story, it was ended very early, but he was going in the right direction, i.e. upwards. Bilbao were a mess when he took over, yes they had had some good young players, they always do, but they didn't sack Caparrós for nothing. They sounded out Bielsa and let Caparros go.

Bielsa was a success even though the team dipped in terms of position. The previous year they had snuck up at the end of the season (and don't forget there had been financial irregularites at Majorca leading to a loss of points) and in Bielsa's first season they did the opposite. They had a terrible start as the team sturggled to cope with Bielsa's tactics (always happens at first) and then went on a terrific run to be in 6th and just points off the CL places. They then ran out of gas and the players looked completely spent and results went against them.

Bilbao is a lot like Liverpool, in that it is a football mad area, poorer than the average place in Spain, and with a port. They, like Liverpool (perhaps for poverty reasons) seem to have an endless conveyor belt of talent and with the Cantera policy they seem to have 3 or 4 players coming through a season. I think we do have something of a production line here and Bielsa could tap into that.

In short, Ernie, I think it can only be Bielsa and it's a risk not to get him in as someone else is likely to spend a fortune (Fellaini, Baines, and TV Money?) chasing a dream without a plan in place. Bielsa has the plan and would probably not cost us millions in giving him a try, but would raise our profile in doing so. My belief is he would be a success here.

Sean Patton
300 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:34:28
I like Bielsa and he was on my shortlist of 10 for the job about a fortnight ago and he appeals not just because of the style his teams play with but also because he is out of contract, its just that I think it is imperative that the next manager has won a trophy in Europe and that is where he falls down.
Sean Patton
301 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:40:14
By a trophy in Europe I mean a league or a cup in a good quality European league not particularly the Champions League or Europa League.
Ben Jones
306 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:44:52
Where are the pictures?!

Paolo, nooooooooo!!!!

Tim Jones
307 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:50:00
Chris Leyland # 290 Tim Jones is Time Jones as he has always been
Steve Ferns
308 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:49:26
In Europe, he's only had 2 seasons, and in that time he got to the final of the Spanish Cup and the final of the Europa League. Had either of these been in March and not May then they probably would have won one of them.

If Bielsa had been able to keep that side in tact, then I think this season Bilbao would have beena minimum of 4th in the Spanish League.

Tim Jones
309 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:54:21
What a surprise Paulo can't deliver - all mouth and trousers
Ben Jones
310 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:56:28
Well I think he's 850/1 in the bookies.

Surely worth a quid?

Tim Jones
311 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:55:48
Time Jones ? maybe Time Zones.
Ernie Baywood
312 Posted 24/05/2013 at 14:02:47
Tim Bandit?
Paulo Hogerio
315 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:54:13
Not too long now my cousin is serving some customers in the south of France when he finishes work he will send them over. Stay calm
Kev Johnson
316 Posted 24/05/2013 at 14:19:06
We are all perfectly calm, Paulo. We just don't believe you.
Chris Keightley
328 Posted 24/05/2013 at 14:49:05
Paulo my brother is building a wall right now but he will send a pic of his hairy arse in an hour or two maybe three or four lets just wait and see if you look closely at the picture in the foreground you can just see a smiling Di Matteo
Kev Shearer
330 Posted 24/05/2013 at 14:47:26
Paulo, save yourself a scrap of dignity mate and put an end to this nonsense once and for all.......

Hes just serving some customers?????????

I like acting the goat as much as the next man but enough is enough.....

Next you will be telling us you saw Kenwright going in the Lisbon pub with Timothy Jones wearing high heels and royal blue stockings!!!!!!

Steve Ferns
331 Posted 24/05/2013 at 14:52:52
I know you can't read too much into betting patterns and odds lengthing and shortening, but since I set Redknapp as a kind of anti-Bielsa, his odds have really come in, coincidence? Something someone wants to confess?
David Stuart
335 Posted 24/05/2013 at 14:59:36
Yes Harry Redknapp odds are getting frighteningly short, I feel sick, Harry out!!! Are we going to replace a dinosour with a single celled amoeba?
Patrick Murphy
338 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:05:29
Biesla's Beasts
Pererira's Pups
Laudrup's or Lennon's Lions
Martinez's or Malkay's Men

Phil's Finest
Which will it be to replace Moyes' Boys

David Stuart
339 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:14:19
Redknapp just gone 7/4 with Coral, aaargh
Kev Shearer
346 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:26:22
Kendall about to go on ssn about next manager!!!

Duncan Duncan Ferguson!!!!!!!!!!

Kev Shearer
347 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:31:07
Wouldnt be surprised if Kenwright hired himself as next manager.......be nice and easy for him and wouldnt have to rack up a phone bill ringing round!!!!
Paulo Hogerio
351 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:44:02
Here it is everyone the proof that you all begged for. Do you think you can handle this. Bielsa and Kenwright as promised.
Chris Keightley
352 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:48:04
Yawn Paulo !!!
Chris Keightley
353 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:48:04
Yawn Paulo !!!
David Stuart
354 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:53:24
Where?
Ged Simpson
355 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:51:01
paulo - you are naughty winding up us poor fans
Ernie Baywood
356 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:53:57
Kev, what was said on SSN?
Shane Corcoran
357 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:57:35
Eh, has anyone else seen that Redknapp is now second favourite across the board from nowhere?
Brent Stephens
359 Posted 24/05/2013 at 15:56:12
TimPeter #311 "Time zones". Freudian slip? Time zone differences in your postings is one of several clues as to why you are really Peter Barry!
Ged Simpson
360 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:02:06
Brent - is this becoming a bit obsessive ?

And Shane - in the case of our manager, the odds seem to mean nothing at present

Brent Stephens
361 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:03:38
Fair point, Ged. I'll go quiet, mate.
Shane Corcoran
363 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:05:49
True enough Ged but there's always a reason that money is thrown on, just wondering what happened this time.
Ged Simpson
364 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:06:19
I wasn't saying that - just recognise you are part of the TW obsessive group !
Steve Ferns
365 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:02:55
Shane, Redknapp is now 7/4 with Coral which is the shortest odds for any manager with any of the main bookies. That makes him the favourite. Please for the love of God, NO!
James Stewart
366 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:03:47
Redknapp no thanks!

This is what we should be aspiring to.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22414356

Ged Simpson
367 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:07:03
POETS day Shane
Steve Ferns
369 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:07:17
Exactly James, but why get the student when you can get the master?
Matt Traynor
370 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:07:24
Mike Phelan and their GK coach have left MU with DM saying he wants to bring in his own coaching team. Bit of a surprise as they've been there donkeys years.

Anyone remember when Phelan turned us down to join Man U from Norwich as a player? We didn't miss out there. Secondary question, Mike Milligan - did we sign him from or sell him to Norwich?

Ernie Baywood
371 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:08:05
This plunge on Redknapp is frightening. I wonder how much money it takes to frighten the bookies from 66s to 11/2?
Dave Lynch
375 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:08:51
Redknap out brigade. ROB for short and thats what he'll do to the club.
Rob it blind
Shane Corcoran
376 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:12:15
I'd say Harry has laid it on himself. I don't know how to finish that story to make him sound dodgy.
Kev Shearer
377 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:07:02
Alrite Ernie, was on my break at work and ssn said an exclusive interview with King Kendall......but he was just repeating what he said last week about Dunc being prime candidate!! Thats about it..he also said that a foreign manager will get rid of backroom staff which is a no no....totally agree with him...our infrastructure is top notch with ex players like weir, stubbs,dunc and sheeds....kind of like the old bootroom of that other club over the park....
Steve Ferns
378 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:14:29
We got Milligan from Royle's Oldham, so on your reasoning we must have sold him there.
Kev Shearer
381 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:15:23
Matt....we signed Mike Milligan from Oldham I think...don't quote me on that though....
Matt Traynor
382 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:19:50
Kev/Steve - we did. He went back to Oldham and then on to Norwich after Oldham were relegated. Just vaguely remember him playing against us for Oldham.
Eugene Ruane
383 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:22:05
- Redknapp wouldn't be good for me as I'd be secretly hoping for us to lose, just so I could watch his hilarious agitated tw..tw..twitching and neck-jerks. Plus he has runny fried-egg eyes that look like they're sliding off his face and if Moyes proved one thing, it's that funny-eyed Everton managers don't win trophies.
Patrick Murphy
386 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:24:27
Eugene unless of course he could bring the bloke who owns QPR on board, but it seems that not content with making us United's bitches we may moving along the same lines with the Spuds.
There's also a strong rumour emerging that the Dark Side have their eyes on a certain Mr Lescott.
At least we'll always have Leon.
Kev Shearer
393 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:34:22
Matt....yeah, like Steve said, it was when Joe Royle was their boss (god I loved him..he also came out with some cracking comments in interviews too)....think milligan was their in the same side that contained Barrett and Ritchie etc....
James Stewart
400 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:48:18
I assume you mean Bielsa Steve? I'd have no problem with that at all.

Klopp has probably outshone Bielsa for me I think what he has done at BVD is has been incredible. In an age where success is here today gone tomorrow he has built something truly admirable there. I wouldn't want to be a Chelsea or City and just buy success it's hollow. But we have no chance of Klopp so I agree Bielsa would be a smart move.

Sadly when it's announced I think we are all in for a massive letdown.

Paulo Hogerio
407 Posted 24/05/2013 at 17:11:50
No ones got the photo? How do u put it up on this site help Ged,Steve and Ross,of only to prove a point
Kev Shearer
413 Posted 24/05/2013 at 17:42:21
Paulo...your trying my patience now!!!!!
Ben Jones
415 Posted 24/05/2013 at 17:50:14
Come on Paulo, this is a bit of a pisstake isn't it?

Just either put the photo up, or say you are bullshitting. Email it to the editors of the site, and if they think it is genuine, maybe they can put it up.

Mark Griffiths
422 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:05:37
Just saw Harry Redknapp in the car in front of me on the M53! Oh on second thoughts it was only the churchill dog on a dashboard!
Paulo Hogerio
424 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:19:08
Mark(422) oh no no no no !!!!!!
Kev Shearer
426 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:21:59
Hey paulo..never mind exchanging pleasantries...you should be too busy uploading these so called photos...

Get cracking jackanory!!!

Tim Jones
429 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:27:14
Brent Stephens # 359 Wow of course Brain of Britain because he is the only Evertonian who lives in Asia of course. STALKERS have no intelligence whatsoever.
Tim Jones
431 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:29:49
Ged Simpson# 360 Brent Stephens thinks STALKING is so smart and makes him look like a big boy.
Grigoris Nicolaou
485 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:24:48
What's the betting we don't appoint a manager until the transfer window is near closing so Bill can say "well we had 20 million to spend, it was ring fenced, but unfortunately the new manager didnt have enough time left to secure his targets!!!"
Kev Shearer
490 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:35:44
Ill stick.a tenner on that grigoris....
Colin Glassar
492 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:29:03
I have the utmost confidence in our great leader. He has publicly stated that he is searching 25/8 for a new manager. In fact, he is watching every space on the planet. He has even interviewed people in the queue of Les Miserables to see if there are any suitable candidates, and get a few bob for a cup of tea.
Believe in our great leader. Not everyone has stood head and shoulders above everyone else in the boys pen. Not everyone has been fondled in the kop by 10.000 rs pervs. Not everyone can summon up instant tears whenever the cameras zoom in on him. Not everyone can stammer and drool when talking about darling David.
BK, I believe in you great leader. You are my guiding light, my eternal sunshine, my inspiration. I believe!!
Ross Edwards
502 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:47:48
Roma after Bielsa apparently. They will go for him if their approach to Milan coach Allegri fails. Hurry up with the bleedin' pics Paulo!
Ross Edwards
505 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:50:45
Redknapp 7/4 fav on Coral. If he is appointed, at least we'd know where the money is....
Eugene Ruane
514 Posted 24/05/2013 at 21:00:26
Redknapp favourite? Hardly fits 'industrial' does he.
Ben Jones
559 Posted 24/05/2013 at 22:01:09
Solksjaer favourite on BetVictor. Just shows how unpredictable this job is, so open!!

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