Everton 'plan official approach' for Martinez

Richard Dodd
615 Posted 25/05/2013 at 01:36:17

Deal done months ago the Latics people tell me!

Patrick Murphy
620 Posted 25/05/2013 at 01:52:10

It does look like he has been the man that BK wants to manage the club and it can only be the financials that are - as usual - the stumbling block, RM is not the perfect choice but he is better than some of the other candidates. I suppose if it happens and he brings his right hand man Graham Jones (?) with him that will lead to Phil Neville going back up the M62 to OT.

If RM is appointed at least he won't be a fly-by-night manager only interested in furthering his own career and using Everton as a stepping-stone. He may be the right choice if he can develop some of the younger players into PL players, a much needed resource in our financial predicament.

He is to my mind an Everton type person - in its positive sense - and I think if the players respond to his methods and give 100%, I don't see the doomsday scenario that some worry he might oversee. But you never know in football which is what keeps us coming back season after season. I wouldn't expect miracles but he has a better chance than most, it is very unusual for Everton to appoint a manager whilst in relative rude health - at least out on the pitch at any rate.

Well that's my thoughts at this moment in time and they are subject to change given EFC's propensity to mess up a deal that is seemingly in the bag.

Phil Sammon
622 Posted 25/05/2013 at 02:13:53

Anything new?

Colin Glassar
624 Posted 25/05/2013 at 02:45:16

I was getting excited about Pereira but Roberto Martinez will do for me. If he brings graham jones that means nev is off. Thank god.

Mike Jones
626 Posted 25/05/2013 at 03:05:06

I don't want Martinez.

Eric Myles
628 Posted 25/05/2013 at 03:13:44

Richard #615, did they tell you this months ago?

If so then I'd be inclined to half beleive it, if it's just recent news then it's more likely speculation like the deal with Pereira that was signed 2 months ago.

Bjørn-Ivar Pedersen
629 Posted 25/05/2013 at 03:22:11

I am relaxed as long as it remains a rumor, and let's hope that's all to it. I want Pereira or Bilic.

Peter Thistle
632 Posted 25/05/2013 at 04:23:04

Not sure we're gonna get what we want in a new manager. There's no excitement this time round because all the candidates are so uninspiring, Perreira aside. I suppose Martinez would do, if only cos it means we ain't gettin some of the other awful managers mentioned.

Ernie Baywood
633 Posted 25/05/2013 at 05:03:59

Had Moyes not gone, I wonder what I would have done with the hour I've spent on ToffeeWeb today?

Ernie Baywood
634 Posted 25/05/2013 at 05:10:08

And with this report, Martinez comes into favouritism (4/1) and Redknapp thankfully drifts.

I wonder how much money newspaper employees make out of impacting the odds?

Bob Parrington
651 Posted 25/05/2013 at 07:40:07

If it's Martinnez and no more money than Moyes had to use for transfers then it could well be the Championship league in 3 seasons time!

Kevin Day
653 Posted 25/05/2013 at 07:58:24

Please no, too mr nice guy for my liking, I just can't see him installing a winning mentality into the players, which, from what I've been reading is what we all want.

Ciaran Duff
654 Posted 25/05/2013 at 08:08:21

Colin (624) - I think that you are confusing Neville the player with Neville as part of the coaching staff. I, for one, would think that he might be handy to have around the place and could even be a manager for the future.

Christopher Timmins
659 Posted 25/05/2013 at 08:31:22

This saga is running on too long for my liking. We are talking about Everton F.C. here. The right guy should have been identified and obtained by now.

Kevin Day
661 Posted 25/05/2013 at 08:38:14

Got to agree with Ciaran, I think Neville would be an excellent number 2, and will make an excellent manager one day, how many good mangers plying their trade today were average players? Moyes for one, Alex ferguson another, Mourinho never tore up any trees either.

Paul Ellam
666 Posted 25/05/2013 at 09:05:03

I thought Kenwright was going to "listen to the fans" for help with the appointment of the new manager??? Well, the majority of fans would like Pereira!
Not another case of the club saying one thing and then doing something entirely different surely?
This club makes me sad :-(

Chris Regan
667 Posted 25/05/2013 at 09:08:42

No! I am not even prepared to give him a chance.

Peter Norris
669 Posted 25/05/2013 at 09:15:02

Chris. You sound like how Chelsea fans greeted Benitez. I thought us Evertonians had a bit more class and would give any new manager a chance rather than adopt a spitting out dummy approach.

Richard Dodd
678 Posted 25/05/2013 at 09:17:09

Eric@628.I first heard this in January and think I posted so. Of course it has only been speculation although some people I work with are genuinely close to the Club via sponsorship and ticket deals.
Personally,I'd welcome him as I do think he's more than Mr Nice Guy!

Richard Dodd
683 Posted 25/05/2013 at 09:39:53

I meant to add that on the other hand , Stevie G' s Costa Coffee shop clique in Form by Village are just as certain it's Stubbsy!

Wayne Smyth
688 Posted 25/05/2013 at 09:43:50

Bob(651), Martinez had about £38M to use for transfers/wages. Moyes had about £63M to use for transfers/wages.

Just because both spent to their limits and couldn't do any more "net spend" each season, doesn't mean they had the same resources to work with.

John Malone
692 Posted 25/05/2013 at 09:58:48

Most of his signings have been poor and his record in the prem is poor so what is all the hype about Martinez. I always thought it was about winning games in the prem first and foremost something Martinez has struggled to do.

Kev Shearer
698 Posted 25/05/2013 at 10:11:59

Hes not for me im afraid.....what do we really know about him?

Ok, hes been in England a number of years now and we are aware of him as a person....seems likeable and charismatic but what about the footballing side....

Hes only managed Wigan and although hes done a satisfactory job, he isn't the most experienced manager going is he?
Too high risk and you have to remember when your managing one of the worst clubs in the Premier league you don't exactly have high targets or ambitions....
This is a major step up to one of the most successful clubs in England, steeped in tradition!!!
I have a feeling it will be too much for him and im scared that he will dismantle the infrastructure of the club i.e getting rid of the backroom staff dunc,sheeds,weir and stubbsy...and bring in his unknowns like graham barrow??

Not convinced at all!!!

Kev Shearer
702 Posted 25/05/2013 at 10:33:30

I certainly like Martinez as a person, in his interviews he talks sense, gracious in defeat, answers the questions given etc

The only positiives I can take from his appointment is that he plays a 352 formation which would benefit us as Baines an Coleman could play further forward as wing backs with Jags, Johnny H and Distin as back three with Gibson as a def mid allowing Mirallas and Pienaar to get forward to support Fellaini and Jelavic up front....

Also if he could bring Kone, Maloney and Mcmanaman with him would be a bonus....

Thats the only positives I can think of....

Kevin Tully
711 Posted 25/05/2013 at 11:15:58

He will be a gamble, as would any manager. Now we can name all the guys we want to take over, but there are only about 3 or 4 who we can realistically get.

He does get value in the transfer market, and has signed some good young players on a free for Wigan. (Don't forget, we took the likes of McRooney and Hitz on a free)

He will have a greater knowledge of European football, something which a Champo manager, or an internal appointment will not have. I can't imagine Stubbs knows much about the Spanish lower leagues.

I think he could do a very decent job here, and please do not compare Wigan with us, the gulf is as wide between us and Wigan, as it is between Man Utd and our club.

I don't think there are many managers who would come to Goodison and really feck up at home, we are a decent side, with plenty of International players after all.

Rubbertoor......oh oh ooh! (Sung in a Wigan accent!)

Tamhas Woods
714 Posted 25/05/2013 at 11:39:33

What has Martinez done that Moyes hasn't

Won at the Emirates
Won at Anfield
Won the FA Cup

Make of that what you will, but it's the truth...

Clive Lewis
719 Posted 25/05/2013 at 11:44:25

No to Martinez, Its a step backwards and not even a gamble we know what happens to teams managed by him, they are average, win the FA cup and get relugated.

David Holroyd
720 Posted 25/05/2013 at 11:37:37

Please no no no his record is awful. It's ok playing nice football but his teams have to score two or more to win. With nearly 750,000 every league position we cannot afford to finish 15 just to play lovely footie. Twenty nine wins in three seasons for Martinez.Kenwright please no.

Sharon Larkin
721 Posted 25/05/2013 at 11:46:33

Tamhas got Wigan relegated that's something Moyes hasn't - no to Martinez - gut feeling NO NO NO - Pereria for me.

Alex Mullan
724 Posted 25/05/2013 at 11:54:23

Why all the anti-Martinez and pro Periera stances? We have no idea what Periera would do, he has never been in the EPL. He has won nothing in his life except a 1 horse race, and still managed to be the only manager of Porto to ever be knocked out of the CL by a Spanish team outside Barce/Madrid. If you glance at a lot of Porto fans comments on their forums they -want- this guy gone asap!

Is it just because Periera is shiny and new? I guarantee you he'd have got Wigan relegated last year as well as Martinez, because Wigan are shite and the club cannot sustain it's place in the top league in world football due to the fact it is a rugby town with no fans or money.

Kevin Day
730 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:00:09

Alex, maybe it's something "shiny and new" the majority of us want.
We pretty much know all there is to know about Martinez, nice pretty football, but about as much back bone in his teams as a Jelly fish.
What do we know about Periera? We know he likes to play pressing football, likes to keep the defence tight, likes his teams to keep the ball in the oppositions half, has a winning mentality with a good repertoire of tactics.
Ok, he is in a less competitive league, but isn't that where Mourinho and AVB learnt their trade? They aren't too bad know are they.
So, there you have a brief description of the 2 managers.
Do you still want Martinez?

Ross Edwards
732 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:14:43

If it means not getting in house, I'd take Martinez. Bielsa or Perreira are the top choices for me. I wouldn't mind Robbie Di Matteo either tbh.

Sharon Larkin
734 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:12:21

Portugese fans may say things on their forums but so do lots on here. I like what I read and see on links etc and I honestly believe that Roberto will do more harm than good for us. On another note note all RS side of family think we're getting Tony Pulis - now that defo can't be true lol.

Harold Matthews
737 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:17:00

Kev Shearer. Interesting lineup but who wins the ball for non-tackling Gibson.

Mark Pierpoint
738 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:18:26

Kevin and Sharon. Periera is unpopular with his own fans. Has little experience, none of English football. Inherited a good team and kept them on a steady path. Yes he has won two league titles, but they have come in a 2 club league (benfica) as Sporting are on a bit of a downer at the moment and Braga don't have the same spending power.

Yes, Mourinho and AVB come from there, but I don't think that is relevant at all.

He may be a good manager, but I don't think there is ANY evidence that he is head and shoulders above RM. I think winning an FA cup with WIgan is bigger than a title with Porto. I would guess that RM would also win a title in Portugal given the chance. RM's relegation is an issue, certainly, but I believe with better players in defence he would step up. I would be happier with the risk on Martinez than the risk of Pereria, but I would accept either

Paul Kelly
739 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:25:52

No, please no. Think he will be a disaster.

Kevin Day
740 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:27:11

Mark, I see your points, but I do not understand how you can say, it's irrelevant that Mourinho and AVB also came from there. It's totally relevant, both we're relatively unknowns in the "2 horse" that you call it and came here with no Premier league experience. Both have done quite well.

Colin Glassar
743 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:33:05

Mark I accept your points regarding Martinez who I think will be a great manager for us. I don't, however, share your views about Pereira. He's an excellent manager who manages on a very tight budget and, like us, has to sell to buy. I'd be very happy with either Pereira or Martinez.

Mark Pierpoint
744 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:34:44

Yes Kevin, but that doesn't mean that everyone from that club can aspire, or have the ability to be as successful does it?

I am not anti- VP, he may well be as you suggest, but I would be as happy with RM

Alex Mullan
745 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:33:03

If you insist on comparing the three Porto managers, the difference then is that Mourinho won the CL, AVB the Europa League, and Periera was knocked out of Europa in ignominy by a side no other Porto manager has ever lost to.

I am, however, not totally against getting him as I genuinely need a change of direction with Everton as it is getting very dull, I am just a bit confused at why Martinez is getting a lot of stick here and Periera cannot seem to do wrong.

Kevin Day
746 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:38:07

It also doesn't suggest he won't be either,I just think people are blinded by an fa cup win with Martinez, a cup win can and does get won with luck, the fact city were down to ten men never seems to get mentioned along with the uncertainties surrounding Mancini on that cery day. if anything, Wigans cup win was really there for the taking, and fair play to them. Take away the fa cup, what else is there?

Mark Pierpoint
748 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:43:20

The idea that he 'might' be like AVB or Mourinho is a flimsy argument to choose a manager on though isn't it.

Kevin Day
750 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:44:57

That's not what I'm basing my argument/case on, it's his style I like and is tactically minded.

Jon Ferguson
752 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:37:39

I'm uneasy about Periera. The fans are wishing him gone over there. Just because Mourinho and AVB have done well in the Premier League doesn't mean he will as well. Mourinho won the Champions League and AVB had a good European record, Porto under Periera have under performed. Some say the reason he won the league was because he inherited the team from his predecessor. I think many are just presuming he'll be good for us, without much evidence.

Someone posted about Biesla the other day. I know we're not in for him, but I found his record much more impressive. Guardiola referenced him as an influence on how he approaches the game, he's made use of limited resources from a small pool of players to choose from, and players like Llorente and Javi Martinez (top players) wax lyrical about his methods.

Not going to happen unfortunately!

Mark Pierpoint
753 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:48:33

I agree and accept that Kevin. Like Alex I would also like a new direction for the club. If we are not basing the argument on the success of previous Porto managers then you surely must retract the comment that I am wrong to say it is irrelevant then! :)

Kevin Day
756 Posted 25/05/2013 at 12:52:19

I'm not going to retract the statement regarding the revelance of Mourinho et all, on the simple basis it cannot be proved either way without him actually coming here, if he did, and failed then yes, I would hold my hands up and say I'm wrong.
Overall, I think it's difficult to try and prove one manager will be better than another without them going head to head in the same league with the same resources, but, all I see with Martinez is relative failure with a relegation on his CV, and a precarious FA cup win, with Periera I see 2 league titles, I know the argument will come back with the "2 horse race", I do see that, but you still have to have that mentality to cross that line. I do not see that mentality in Martinez.

Alex Mullan
758 Posted 25/05/2013 at 13:04:47

Instead of being critical about Martinez's relegation I actually prefer to praise him for keeping Wigan in the league when he did. Seriously, I doubt any manager in the world would not struggle at such a small team. You cannot view things in such a black and white manner. Look who he was competing against in the end...Sunderland, Newcastle and Villa...how can you compete with that as Wigan?

I would certainly take Martinez over another decade of 'industrial' football from the likes of Mackay or heaven forbid an internal (code for cheap) appointment.

Kevin Day
759 Posted 25/05/2013 at 13:11:49

I will say this to finish though, who would actually like the job of appointing the new manager, whoever he may be.

Alex Mullan
761 Posted 25/05/2013 at 13:15:04

Id rather it be Ronald McDonald that Kenwright, Kevin!

Dan Brierley
766 Posted 25/05/2013 at 13:14:14

Alex 758, you are right. It is difficult for Wigan to compete with teams that are financially stronger than you with bigger wage budgets. So it begs the question, if he comes to Everton how will he compete with those teams richer than us? Just to put it into perspective:

Turnovers 2011/2012:

Wigan: 53 million
Everton: 81 million
Spurs: 144 million
Liverpool: 169 million
City: 231 million
Arsenal: 245 million
Chelsea: 261 million
United: 320 million

To be honest, you can throw whatever names you want into the ring. I don't see how any manager is going to consistently compete until we get a new stadium that can bridge that gap.

Nick Withers
769 Posted 25/05/2013 at 13:52:06

@Tamhas Woods, post 714 - been relegated?

Sharon Larkin
770 Posted 25/05/2013 at 13:57:29

Good point Dan I've just read some good points on another thread by James Martin which puts things into prospective.

Ben Jones
771 Posted 25/05/2013 at 14:00:31

I'd take either Martinez or Pereira to be honest. Either way we're going to be playing better football.

With the defence scenario, It is partly Martinez's philosophy, but it's also partly losing their 2 best central defenders for most of the season: Ramis and Alcaraz. Do you think a defence with Caldwell is going to be any good?

He should have sorted it out yes, but I wouldnt dwell on the defensive thing too much.

And similar to Pereira, Porto fans only hate him because he wasnt a former player and is not a fashionable name in Portugal. It'd be like Steve Round being appointed here.

He's lost Falcao, Hulk last season, bought in new players like Martinez, and still won the league. Case in point, they've just lost their two best players yesterday in Moutinho and Rodriguez!

Either two of them will be fine, better than Redknapp, Lennon and any internal appointment.

Dan Brierley
777 Posted 25/05/2013 at 14:18:07

Ben Jones, if it is really about injuries for this season which I could fully understand, how does this stack up then?

Wigan end of season goal difference:

2013: -24
2012: -20
2011: -21
2010: -42

Considering he is being touted as our new manager, I am surprised to hear you say 'I wouldn't dwell on the defensive thing too much'. I think it is dangerous to suggest we only look at the positives.

Mark Griffiths
778 Posted 25/05/2013 at 14:33:53

Completely off subject but just watching the 86/87 season on dvd and wow how you forget the players we had! Adrian Heath just scored a 30 yard volley in a 4-0 win against shaff wed that would make shearer and scholes look like pub team players!

Ben Jones
785 Posted 25/05/2013 at 15:22:01

Fair enough Dan, I didn't realise it was that bad.

I just think he might do better with better defenders, although he had 5 seasons to sort it out.

It is one of the things going against him I agree, but I still think he is a better choice than most of the candidates there.

Tom Bowers
796 Posted 25/05/2013 at 16:02:28

Martinez may be the best of what is available. Forget the overpriced Europeans and the wet behind the ears wannabees. Everton need a manager who is Prem.experienced and coaches good football. Okay so Wigan got relegated but it's a mystery how with some of the talent they have.
Martinez will bring a fresh look to this dreary Moyes set up and maybe a player or two from Wigan like Kone.

Ben Jones
817 Posted 25/05/2013 at 16:48:17

McCarthy, McManaman as well would be nice Tom. Even Figueroa on a free, who can play centre half and left back, would be a solid squad player on a free.

I think I would rather Pereira because he is used to winning things, and has a proven track record in developing youth and rebuilding teams after the loss of their players, but Martinez would be there

Drew Shortis
844 Posted 25/05/2013 at 16:56:52

With Martinez you would be getting a manager with a philosophy of how the game should be played. Just look at the legacy he has left at Swansea. Perhaps he could have kept Wigan up if he had brought in brutes and played the Stoke long ball way. No, he stuck to his guns. Sure it didn't work out for the fourth year in a row, but I think there is no bigger recommendation for a manager who's team has just been relegated than for the fans to be singing his praises and begging him to stay! They obviously like what they see on the pitch (attacking wise) and appreciate that keeping a small team like Wigan in the league for as long as he has was a big achievement. Wigan are still in a healthy financial situation and can look forward to next year in the Championship with optimism.

I agree that Wigan's defence should have been better, but there were injury problems and attracting top defenders to a team with Wigan's finances and stature must be a struggle! For me the only realistic / ambitious appointments are Laudrup, Pereira and Martinez, and Roberto just seems like the best fit in terms of experience and availability. I hope that his more attacking philosophy will also help reignite Jelavic's confidence and we can start finishing off games, especially when ones where we are dominating!

Bjørn-Ivar Pedersen
859 Posted 25/05/2013 at 17:19:43

I can't help it, but when I read the club want Martinez, there is two names coming up in my mind, both former managers of this great club.....Mike Walker and Walter Smith...we better brace ourselves for this kind of progress if he is hired.

Wayne Smyth
894 Posted 25/05/2013 at 17:52:27

Don't forget that Martinez has also won the league with swansea, prior to coming to Wigan. You don't win leagues if you're a shit manager.

...and if he's signed shit players then they certainly didn't look shit when they came to goodison. Don't forget he's lost most of his best players each season, such as Valencia.

Personally, I'd be happy to give Martinez, Periera or Di Matteo.

I really don't want Pip or Hughes, or Redknapp. Two are used to spending vast sums of cash and Pip would not command respect with the players. Apart from keeping himself in good shape and behaving well, I'm not sure I see the attributes that would make him a top manager.

I don't expect our next manager to make us immediately competitive with the top 6, but I do want a manager who is willing to sell to buy, make use of the youth system and play entertaining football. This is the only way that we can hope to compete in the long term. An occasional trophy would be reasonable to expect.

Given a bit of the stability that Moyes enjoyed, I'm sure that there are lots of talented people who would come in and be able to do a good job.

Richard Dodd
043 Posted 25/05/2013 at 21:08:26

Whosoever succeeds Moyes, he will do well to attain the seventhIsh slot the Scot made our own!

Liam Young
090 Posted 25/05/2013 at 22:16:58

Pure speculation I hope, Martinez is NOT the man for the job, not good enough. Huge mistake if we get him. Vitor Pereira is out of contract this summer, no compensation fee, and a much greater pedigree.

Mark Pierpoint
097 Posted 25/05/2013 at 22:25:40

Not even true Liam. He has no pedigree really. He took over a winning team and has seen them through for a couple of years.

Not good enough is an interesting idea. He has won an FA cup, OUTPLAYED us in a quater final, and won at all of the big four.

There are very few managers who have everything in their locker, but RM will do for me.

Gavin Ramejkis
106 Posted 25/05/2013 at 22:31:40

Guys you have to include more detail on the Porto side Pereira managed, he also had to deal with the sale of Falcao and Hulk a massive loss to any manager yet still took the title twice. Regards Martinez, I've watched Wigan outplay us a few times and not get a result but the paucity of the players Martinez has in defence is also being ignored, Christ you are comparing the likes of Caldwell to Jagielka or Distin and Beausejour to Baines

Jackie Barry
205 Posted 26/05/2013 at 06:13:52

Put it this way if its a choice between Martinez and an internal appointment, I will take Martinez.

Gareth Fieldstead
210 Posted 26/05/2013 at 07:04:49

Cannot agree Mark (097) the man has won 24 games in four years. People make excuses for him regarding a defence that was awful, but Bruce didnt seem to have the same problem. If we take away the fact that he won the cup and got Swansea promoted from the third to second tier then there is very little positives to glean from such an appointment. It has all the hallmarks of Mike Walker for me, employed on the basis of giving us a hiding at Goodison and his Norwich team played decent football. None of those in the running particularly appeal but first and foremost I would like a manager whose teams can defend. If his teams were capable of playing such great football how comw they were not capable of winning more than an average of six a year? As for dismissing Pereira, one horse league? really? Wouldnt Sporting and Benfica have something to say about that? As for taking over a decent team so did Harvey and he left us third to bottom before he was fired!

Tim Jones
216 Posted 26/05/2013 at 08:02:28

Jackie Barry # 205 If that is the only option then so would I brother.

Tony Twist
257 Posted 26/05/2013 at 10:26:30

I have no issue with martinez being the next everton manager as long as he has learnt lessons from the season just gone not carry on regardless. As long as the team doesn't forget their strengths of the Moyes era. I would hope one of stubbs or weir or neville is kept on as I see them as a bit of a safety net for us and hopefully a future manager next time round. The positives with martinez is he will represent the club well, give youth a chance brining the best out of them and hopefully we will play better football. Not my favourite choice but someone who will add to what we already have. Up the blues!

James Marshall
284 Posted 26/05/2013 at 11:43:22

Perennial relegation strugglers, Wigan. Unable to defend. Winners of an incredible 6 games a season. Relegated.

Yeah, he's the perfect man for the job. WTF are they thinking? On what basis is Martinez a good manager? I cannot believe this is likely to go ahead, and pray that he stays at Wigan to continue the 'good' job he's been doing.

Yes they won the cup, but look at the run they had - jeez, Portsmouth won the cup not so long ago remember.

James Marshall
288 Posted 26/05/2013 at 11:48:02

Oh, and for everyone harping on about him having won the Championship with Swansea - how many of the teams that have won the Championship go on to struggle massively in the Premier League? Exactly, most of them so it has really no baring at all on a manager's ability in the PL.

He won 6 games per season and that for tells you everything you need to know. So what if he won away at the big 4 - where did it get his teams? Relegated that's where. He's massively overrated. Not once did he address Wigan's glaring problem of not being able to defend. Why not? Who knows, but he didn't and they got relegated as a result. The cup win means absolutely nothing.

Clive Lewis
291 Posted 26/05/2013 at 12:06:34

I agree James. How can this be possible please all those in favour speak and tell us something we don't know about Martinez.

David Israel
380 Posted 26/05/2013 at 16:31:06

On Pereira, I'd say this: it's not just most Porto fans apparently wanting him out, it is the Porto chairman too, a man who has been around for more than thirty years and know his football. He only ever appointed Pereira as he was apparently caught by surprise by AVB's decision to go to Chelsea, and pre-season training was about to start. So, he went for a quick fix, appoint AVB's number two.

That said, I'd prefer him to Martinez or an "internal solution".

Wayne Smyth
381 Posted 26/05/2013 at 16:58:13

James(288):

"how many of the teams that have won the Championship go on to struggle massively in the Premier League..."

I'm sure on reading it again you'll not need people to give you reasons as to why promoted teams tend to struggle in the premier league, regardless of the managers skill.

John Crawley
385 Posted 26/05/2013 at 16:58:25

James I'm not a massive fan of Martinez and believe we can do better. But can you at least get your facts straight, the last 3 seasons he's won 9,11 & 9 games. Not great but not 6 wins a season. My choice other than Bielsa would be Thomas Tuchel.

Jeremy Benson
389 Posted 26/05/2013 at 17:21:09

Re: Wayne @894

Martinez won the league with swansea? Division 1 ....

Should we be looking at Div 1 and championship winners now as proof of their credentials? I can't be bothered to look them up, but would imagine they include the heady heights of managers like holloway, warnock, etc etc....and they are probably the best of them if we look at div 1 too.

Martinez is a fine choice for a mid-table team. For us, we need to appoint someone a lot better, or take a bigger gamble on someone unproven who can aspire and develop into a top-drawer manager. Only the best is good enough.

Andrew Clare
397 Posted 26/05/2013 at 17:38:10

Moyes was a nice guy. Martinez is a nice guy but would you want them managing your club? A lot of people harp on about Pereira winning two league titles with a team built by Mourinho/AVB but it is more difficult than you think. Look at Colin Harvey after Kendall!

We have got to be looking at a winner to blow the cobwebs away of all the negative stuff we have endured for the past 10 years. Martinez isn't good enough. Look at his record. Wigan win a handful of games a season.

Ian Hanes
461 Posted 26/05/2013 at 20:16:08

I've just been looking at Skybet at the odds for 'manager specials' at other clubs and came across Richard Gough at 33/1 for Rangers. Late in the day, I know, with Martinez looking more and more likely... but if you consider the credentials of the internal candidiates, I don't think any of them have any greater experience than Gough.

I'm not sure if he managed in the US and had a brief spell with Livingston in 2004-05 — saved them from relegation, had problems with the board over finances (not just us then!) and left.

It would be interesting to see what he's up to now... If not as a manager, he'd be a good No 2. I just feel that the internal guys might be too close to the players. I always thought that Gough was a class act when he was with us.

Andrew Ellams
515 Posted 26/05/2013 at 22:57:42

Not necessarily saying Martinez is definitely the man, but would he have won so few games or had such a poor defensive record if he had players of the ability of those in the current Everton squad. My guess is not and in fact his brand of quick, attacking football would have brought greater rewards at the right end of the pitch.

Patrick Murphy
528 Posted 26/05/2013 at 23:34:20

The Mirror are reporting that Martinez may cost Everton £5m if they decide to prise him away from the DW stadium.

Everton will have to pay a big transfer fee for Roberto Martinez - as the Wigan boss heads for the exit door. Supremo Bill Kenwright is preparing for a cash wrangle with Latics chief Dave Whelan as the Spanish coach has no fixed compensation figure in his contract.

Martinez will tell Whelan early this week that he wants to move but the veteran chairman won’t allow him to go without a fight - or a pay-off. The Wigan boss is on a roll-on contract so Whelan holds the upper hand in negotiations over him when Everton come calling.

Whelan may want as much as £5million for Martinez. He paid Swansea handsomely for him after picking up a huge fee for Steve Bruce.

Clive Lewis
031 Posted 27/05/2013 at 23:42:57

Rene Meulensteen for Everton Manager, how ironic would that be. It seems the Man Utd forum are going into overdrive over this. Moyes is taking some criticism.

Patrick Murphy
034 Posted 27/05/2013 at 23:48:31

I've never heard of this guy before tonight, apparently Fergies brother is also leaving his job as a club scout.

James Morgan
265 Posted 28/05/2013 at 13:41:51

He has left Wigan. Official.

Colin Glassar
266 Posted 28/05/2013 at 13:42:59

We need a new Martinez thread as there are too many opened. I for one am excited by the prospect. I hope it's wrapped up this week.

Tony J Williams
288 Posted 28/05/2013 at 14:06:18

"sexy football"? is that when we concede shed loads and have the worst goal difference in the whole league? We may score a couple of good passing goals though!

Colin Glassar
300 Posted 28/05/2013 at 14:14:54

So Tony J Williams, according to you are defenders are suddenly going to become completely shit because Martinez will tell them to stop defending or will turn them all into centre forwards? This is totally rubbish, Jags, Distin, Duffy, Baines, Hibbo, Coleman etc...are top, top players and will thrive under Martinez rather than playing the brain dead, long ball Moyes encouraged. He will encourage ALL his players to play football with confidence and will go out to win, not sit back and hope for a goal and then backs to the wall stuff.