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Alan J Thompson
1 Posted 02/01/2018 at 14:22:52
Send them out on loan to improve them then sell them for not very much while buying others for +£25Mill. Don't you just love the idea of this loan system?
Steve Ferns
2 Posted 02/01/2018 at 14:29:51
I would sell him, but do what Barcelona did to us and insist on buy back clauses. He's two years older than Tom Davies, and he is older than Liam Walsh.

I do not think he will be ready for the Premier League any time soon, so why not sell with such a clause, and also negotiate something to ensure we can block any sales, in case someone else tries to buy him if he suddenly becomes as good as Xavi.

Steve Ferns
3 Posted 02/01/2018 at 14:31:25
Alan, the academy costs something like £7m per year. If we get in £7m in sales then it pays for itself.

Chelsea sell a load of players for under £5m and rake in a lot of transfer revenue despite singing a load of players of 18 or so from abroad.

Derek Knox
4 Posted 02/01/2018 at 14:48:32
Agree with the sell on, or buy back clause you refer to Steve; Chelsea do it as well as other top sides.

While I think we have probably got one of the best Academies in the country, being realistic, we can't keep them all.

As can be said for late developers, unless using a Crystal Ball; it is nigh on impossible to predict how every young player will either mature, and improve, or stagnate in his career.

The Insurance, possibly is surely to include these clauses in a sale.

Paul Smith
5 Posted 02/01/2018 at 14:55:52
I would be asking for 2 - 3 million as a minimum like they have charged us for players. Then with a first refusal option and percentage of future transfer profit if we don't want him back.
Alan J Thompson
6 Posted 02/01/2018 at 14:57:24
Steve (#3);

Given what we've paid for youngsters over the last year or two, £7M seems very little even allowing for monies raised by transfers, not least the one just returned on a free.

Alan McGuffog
7 Posted 02/01/2018 at 15:52:03
Another one of our highly promising young prospects
Rob Dolby
8 Posted 02/01/2018 at 16:06:10
Good luck to the lad if they didn't want him then I would be concerned.

From what I have seen of him he is a holding midfielder who breaks play up and retains possession well.

We already have a few similar senior players who are struggling to do that in the 1st team.

We don't need to sell him. I would be inclined to offer another season loan to them and judge him on progress then.

Peter Gorman
9 Posted 02/01/2018 at 17:42:50
If we sell players like Joe Williams (and Walsh) for these buttons and spunk Moshiri's fortune on the likes of Klaasen and Siggy then we truly are the biggest mugs.
Ray Roche
10 Posted 02/01/2018 at 18:11:33
I have been impressed when I've seen him play, but hasn't his career been slowed down by a long term injury, hence his need to "catch up" with Walsh etc.? Maybe Dave Abrahams could throw some light on this, I think Dave has his finger on the pulse of the younger players.
John Dean
11 Posted 02/01/2018 at 18:14:44
This lad has, I think, started every game of his loan period and substituted just once. He's playing in a poorly performing team, of course, but that puts a lot of pressure on his position. He's picking up valuable experience and would come back to us ready for the first team if selected.

Yes, we have competition in that position but, had he not been on loan, I suspect he would have got the selections that Beni Baningime has recently had and may have performed even better - who knows?

If we can transfer out (or even give away!) Schneiderlin and Besic, probably sell Walsh and loan out Baningime, we'll need Williams to work with Dowell in the first team squad. I think we ought to stick on this one.

Peter Gorman
12 Posted 02/01/2018 at 19:12:30
Williams has scored just one goal at Barnsley to my knowledge and it was an absolute worldy against Burton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsCxfdGRBo0

Joe Williams may or not may not ever be Prem quality but he is a fighter, no doubt. Perhaps it would be better for him to develop away from these shithouses we call players but as others point out, at the very least sell with options - money or buy back. A million is an insult.

Dave Williams
13 Posted 02/01/2018 at 19:42:09
John- why sell Walsh? He was one of our brightest hopes last year- has he suddenly gone down hill?
John Dean
14 Posted 02/01/2018 at 19:56:46
Liam has been unlucky with the timings of some loans and injuries that have cost him first team opportunities. His spell at Yeovil saw him loved by their fans and management alike but he hasn't been able to repeat that back at Everton or, even less so, at Birmingham.

He could become the player we all saw when he joined the u18 squad, I certainly hope so. But I think he's behind Dowell, Williams, Baningime and Connolly now.

Dave Abrahams
15 Posted 02/01/2018 at 20:16:57
John (14), yes Liam was unlucky going to Birmingham City on loan, signed by Harry Redknapp who was sacked very early in the season and the new manager played experienced players not youngsters.

Liam has come back to Goodison to train and play for the U23's, he may possibly be able to play for the Blues from yesterday as his loan with Birmingham might be over.

I'm hoping if he has come back permanently he will start picking his form up and be noticed by Sam, he is always moving, good ball control, passing is consistently good, takes good free kicks and corners, always involved and looking for the ball, never shirks a tackle, Schniederlin would get tired just watching him.

Gavin Johnson
16 Posted 02/01/2018 at 21:52:41
A million miles away from the first team and behind Liam Walsh who looks more promising at this time. Sell him and make sure we put in a buy back option or sell on clause.
Andrew Ellams
17 Posted 03/01/2018 at 08:45:26
We are doing well for youngsters breaking into the first team right now with Kenny, Davies, Baningime who have come right through the club and Holgate, Lookman and Calvert-Lewin who were brought in to develop and I think we can expect to see Dowell come through next season too. The majority of academy players fail to make the break through, it's part and parcel of the game, now more than ever.
John Smith
18 Posted 08/01/2018 at 09:08:45
Fact:

For those talking about money and players going to Barnsely, don't forget that Barnsley received £6.78 million from the sell-on fee they negotiated with Everton, and got that figure with Stones's transfer to Manchester City.

John Smith
19 Posted 08/01/2018 at 09:10:58
And let's not forget we sold Stones to Man City for £50 million, minus that above amount and minus the £3 or 4 million we spent on Stones in the first place. So financially we're sitting pretty and far ahead of that little club.
John Smith
20 Posted 08/01/2018 at 09:14:29
"A million miles away from the first team and behind Liam Walsh."

That's a shame since we kept Williams and just sold Walsh.

Chris Cole
21 Posted 10/01/2018 at 23:57:03
Watched the lad Williams play live a few weeks back; played the deepest lying of their midfield, very tidy on the ball, didn't waste it, was always looking to move it quickly. He didn't seem to offer much going forward but I suppose that wasn't his role.

Did a good job defensively too in a struggling side, kept the highly-rated opposition #10 quiet, wasn't afraid to put his foot in, didn't back down in repeated clashes with the (considerably larger) opposition #9.

I was quietly impressed, but hope he stays there for a full season to get games although that sending off at the weekend had the mark of a frustrated player. Happy if we give him more time – the club seem a bit quick to ship lads out at the minute...

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