The Friedkin Group reported to be holding talks over Dyche's future

If he stays another week, we will be a Championship club. Believe it, fellow Blues.

He should be at Finch Farm awaiting a phone/video call ! :-)

As I keep saying, sacking Dyche won't make Mykolenko, or Doucoure better players, but us being the lowest scoring team in all the divisions in 2024, and goals yet alone wins impossible to find in the past couple of month, will probably be enough for the Friedkins to pull the lever and drop him.

All we can hope for is one of those fabled new manager bounces. And all we can pray for is that Ipswich fall away again, after their mini-resurgence,

Desperate times. Again.

Yes that Everton are only one point clear of the relegation zone.

Graham Potter will be rubbing his hands if it's true that both us and the 'ammers are after him.

A team built to defend and train all week to defend cannot change for one game. He has no attacking coach or throw-in coach which shows every week.

I do not look forward to going the game (I still go); he has done a great job but now is the time to go. He should resign as, looking at the results, a man of conscience, who knows the club cannot afford to pay compensation, should walk. He has lost the players, the management, and the supporters.

Will it be my Son's who wants him gone immediately, but suspects they may give him Peterborough and Villa?

I don't want Potter and I truly hope Moyes rumours don't surface.

Whatever happens, for those nautical types amongst us, he has started walking the plank with our very own Derek Knox in his pirate uniform prodding him along!!

Where does this leave us if Dyche gets the tin-tack? Which by the sounds of these reports, he's about to.

Here's a list of managers, in no particular order currently out of work. Time for some new manager bingo!

Zidane

Xavi

Joachim Low

Allegri

Conte

ten Hag

Mourinho

Hansi Flick

Sarri

Pochettino

Southgate

Moyes going to the Hammers.

I reckon it'll be the Special One for us. Fucker will relegate us then blame everyone else.

I just hope the Friedkins don't turn out to be as stupid as Moshiri.

Harrison on the left? Not tried. Ndiaye or Lindstrom through the middle? Not tried. Patterson as a right winger? Not tried. Chermiti (now fit again)? Not tried. Beto/ DCL and Chermiti as a partnership up front? Not tried.

If you can't create or score, try new tactics and personnel, or existing personnel in different positions, until something works. Don't just keep sending out the same XI with the same tactics in the hope something will change, as it clearly won't.

I wish we could have just seen out this season in lower-mid table, thanked and said goodbye to Dyche in the summer and started again from there, but I just don't think he can keep us up.

In abit you Dinosaur.

If this comes to pass I'm ok with that. Don't think Potter is a fit for us.

I’d sooner see Lee Carsley given a chance.

Danny Rohl at Sheffield Wednesday could be a longshot. German managers seem to do well here.

shame Cordoran went to Valencia he would have been ideal.

That made me laugh 😁

How about a dream team if Potter (Brian) and Basset (Mike) … not Bertie.

Moyes won't come back to Everton. Not a chance in hell. Potter is going to West Ham so we can shelve that too.

You can get 8/5 on Steve Cooper, the geezer with the jippy eye. He's the bookies favourite, with Scott Parker at 9/4!

After listening to Sean it seemed clear that they wanted stability but told him he needed wins hence the out of character personnel and tactics over the last 2 games. Obviously PSR is an issue so it seems like they wanted to persist with him til the summer.

If these guys were really astute there would be no need for crisis meetings, they could have done a little smart accounting with Beto and a swap to Roma with perhaps one of their talented young wide boys like Soule and put him on 5 year contract which means you pay one fifth of the amount on the accounts. This will free up funds for other signings also which will entice their preferred candidate. We have no problems with finances now just PSR.

These crisis meetings seem worryingly reactionary given they have followed our progress for the last few months and I find this concerning with regards to both their ambition and footballing acumen. Their appointments at Roma smack more of Moshiri (and people pleasing) than that of a Tony Bloom (revolutionary and ahead of the curve).

The fact that bookies had only Dyche evens and not ten to one on suggests he may have a stay of execution and are merely due to the crisis meetings taken place.

Friedkin's already being slated as well, the goodwill didn't last long.

I wonder whether the Friedkin's are thinking, if we're going down we may as well go down without paying off Dyche.

Get the special one in, give him a little money and see how the players respond. It would certainly be whole lot more interesting. He knows the Roma squad so potentially a couple of moves from there could be done.

This squad was a relegation candidate already for many years under several different managers, and Dyche has then had to go through further cost-cutting due to PSR. Adding bargain basement players like Ndiaye and Lindstrøm has further set us back. Dwight McNeil is by far our best attacking player, and has been out injured.

In my opinion, changing the manager now is a far bigger relegation threat than staying with Dyche until the end of the season. We lost the last two against top-half teams, not fellow relegation battlers.

Even on the player front there appears to have been no review of requirements while Palace and Wolves are both lining up acquisitions.

I could get behind Potter as an appointment but i'm not sure its the right fit. Carsley yes and the special one are my other choices. Will Still from Lens maybe?

Mourinho has already come out and said he could see himself managing a project team struggling in the PL. He could potentially make himself a legend here, the crowd would love his passion. He is contracted to Fenerbache though so would cost, therefore it's Sarri for me.

You won't last a minute on here.

And in all seriousness, this is no time to experiment. If a change is made, a proven winner will be the choice. I still would bet on Sarri, though it's just pure hunch with nothing to back it up. He's the most risk-free candidate I can imagine.

Ed #46, exactly.

Sure we do have some decent players but too much dross.

I feel sorry for Dyche. He tries his best but you cannot make a silk purse from a sow's ear!!

Just look at all his highly touted predecessors of the last 10-15 seasons did and add up what they did — Zilch! Zilch!! and Diddly squat!!!

He'd be looking across the park.

He was never up to the job, brought negativity from Day 1 and tried to hoodwink us.

Also, I don't think he's exactly the type of manager we'd hire in this situation. Why? Because he's always fighting relegation? That says more about him.

Because he managed Burnley? And btw was sacked by the club that idolise him. Ummmmm…

Because he gave us the worst run without winning?

Because he might just be about to see if he can beat that run?

He also knows he's out of contract, so what the fuck is his motivation? He gets paid either way.

At the end of this month under Dyche, we might be well in the relegation zone with no chance for a new manager to make an impact. Now is the best time to get shot of this loser once and for all.

Need to get some wins before then, scraping draws won't be enough.

Same with young Tim Iroegbunam at the start of the season. He was our standout player in the first four or so games.

Didn't he want to come in and coach our kids for half a season before taking over the first team? Offer him that. Dyche sees out his contract with Bielsa assisting him, then the old man takes over.

3-3-3-1 football. Branthwaite, Tarkowski and Mykolenko as defenders, Harrison and Garner as wingbacks, either side of Mangala, Ndyia on the left, McNeil as Number 10, Lindstrøm on the right, Calvert-Lewin or whoever else is fit at Number 9.

What could possibly go wrong?

For me I would go for Moyes as interim and Carsley as his number 2 for the longer term, we need someone in who knows the club inside out, not be a popular one but I think these players are better than the set up style of play they are being forced to play.

There’s the never go back arguments, but I believe Moyes would be a solid choice to make it us and we again and reunite the fan base, the players, the Manager and the club, no brainer for me.

We can always look to the summer if need be, but we cannot allow Dyche to be in charge for the remainder of the season.

Forget the careful what you wish for, this manager is taking us down if he remains and the teams around us pick up a couple of wins.

‘As I keep saying, sacking Dyche won't make Mykolenko, or Doucoure better players'

How do you know that, Michael?

We have all seen both of these players playing better than they currently are. Chris Wood is playing much better under Nuno as is Delap under McKenna. New managers can make all the difference even with the same players.

Look at Wolves and Forest since they changed Managers. When Ange inevitably gets sacked from Spurs I expect an upturn in their fortunes too with the same squad under a different manager.

Apart from Iliman Ndiaye, we have no creativity or nothing up front – apart from Donkey Dom. Club history don't mean shit to managers who have no tools for the job in hand.

Brian #60, "knows the club inside out"? Who does Moyes know at the club 12 years after he left, and who knows him? Nobody.

Even Jimmy Martin is gone. Maybe a groundsman or a secretary in the office. That's it. His history with the club means absolutely nothing, especially to new owners who never met him.

Get it wrong and they prove nothing has changed for the better. Another terrible, clueless ride next to different people.

Get it right and we have a chance to stride forward with optimism.

I'm not sure when McNeil, Iroegbunam and Chermiti are going to be fully fit but there's few options with the current squad to improve things.

Keeping it tight, looking to get a point away from home is sensible. We can't afford to get turned over 2, 3 or 4 goals each game.

The least risky manager would be Moyes. He ruled out managing another relegation-threatened club and half our fans do not want him.

Bringing in a stubborn 'must pass the ball 5 yards at all costs' dictator would be a disaster. It's like training donkeys to win the Grand National when they can't jump the first fence.

Player recruitment is key, whoever the manager and coach is.

Those suggesting getting rid of Dyche is a risk, given his appalling win ratio, can't have looked at his stats. Fewest goals in open play, less goals than every other team bar Southampton who are as good as down.

I have watched Everton for 70 years — he is producing the worst football I have ever seen… and some are actually suggesting it's a risk to get rid of him?

Totally!

The first round of interviews start the week after next.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edin_Terzi%C4%87

At Chelsea their owners have been hammered for billion bottle jobs etc and selling media darlings like Gallagher. What they have done is spent nearly half of their spend on talent who are under 18 so your future Ronaldinhos and Messi's which doesn't come under PSR. They have also halved their wage bill and bought these players on long contacts to avoid PSR. They even skirted the rules by selling a hotel to themselves.

The result is they have positioned themselves to be the dominant force for the next decade and have 5 youngsters joining them in the summer who would normally go to Barca, Real, Bayern and Dortmund. The media are shocked by their progress this season but their upward rise is an inevitability because of their approach as their players develop together and the next batch are on the way and the ones after that.

These guys are really forward thinking despite the ridicule they have received by the media, ex players and fans alike.

You seem to know Mike more than me about the TFG and how they made their wealth but from what I've seen from their time at Roma and the early indicators here I worry these guys to be cut from the same cloth as Moshiri. A little bit clueless, reactionary and constant problem fixing. With Bloom he probably knows who his next manager is and the one after that, a plan A, B and C. He sees the problem before it arises. The last little jumpstart believed his own hype, took Bloom on thinking he was off to United after believing his own hype, he ended up in League Un with the (footballing) fishes.

Of course they are only through the door but so far it seems like a Sean Dyche preseason.

With regards to this topic, the poster says the Friedkins use a headhunting agency to identify potential managers, and are pitless about making changes if they see the need:

"When they think something should be done, they do it. They have sacked Mourinho and De Rossi without pleasantries. They seem to have no mercy and move on to the next manager or director whenever they see fit."

The other point the poster makes is that the Friedkins say nothing to anybody about their plans. We should already know that from the way they bought the club. It implies that we won't hear anything about any change until it is completed.

Conor #73, I understand your concerns but I truly believe they are groundless. Friedkin couldn't be farther from Mosh, who had accumulated his wealth as Usmanov's well-tipped caddy and had no idea how to run a business that wasn't Usmanov's. The Friedkins are successful across multiple industries and they know how to make decisions. Not saying they'll make all the right calls, but at least they know how to do it. And they've already steadied our finances as they did Roma's.

but can new managers cant turn back time ? There is not a manager in the world who will improve Seamus, Young, keane, Gana, Doucourie. As athletes. Their race is run but their experience will be crucial to any survival battle.

I think if we don't replace Dyche, we will probably (70-80%?) go down.

New manager bounce at least should help. Dyche still has a certain level of thanks from me, especially for last season and the points deduction. But this season has been horrendous, his race is run.

Agreed Colin, as athletes, but like you say experience as a professional then becomes important such as with Young, to a certain extent. A different approach in tactics and increased confidence can also bring the best out of underperforming players and let’s face it we have a multitude of those at present, not just the old guard but pretty much everyone excepting Pickford.

If Dyche has to go, which seems inevitable, why employ similar?

What's all this about Moyes, Potter et al?

The club has needed a bomb under it's arse for decades every type of pleasant well meaning character has passed through these hallowed portals with hardly a dent in the mediocrity. We've been crying out for a genuine, gold plated inspirational winner who will be committed (sorry Carlo) fight players, chairmen, fans and uncle Tom Cobley if they get in the way.

Plus Mo would only come if guaranteed at least 3 decent transfer targets others might get in by telling Friedkin what they want to hear "Oh yeh, I can turn this lot into top 8 without a penny spent". Aargh!!!

When Dyche goes don't underestimate the danger.

We will officially be in shit or bust territory no time for white board bluffers indulging theoretical tactical whimsy. The new man has to fairly burst through that front door and light the blue touch paper before uttering a word. No more arsing around.

Mourinho's bravado would make him a god here if he hit the ground running he would absolutely revel in it. The world and his dog would know about his transformed Everton.

If fortune favours the brave then we must act brave and welcome in the special one.

Sean Dyche will be in attendance".

Now, if anyone is In The Know - and I'm not sure that anyone is now that Friedkin have taken over - it would be her, rather than the brother-in-law of someone's cousin's bookie on here.

He ain't going nowhere for the moment.

His name always comes up and every time, all have to be reminded that during and since his caretaker stint at England, he has consistently stated that he is content and wants to continue coaching the U21S AT England.

Dan, Dan, we're Desperate Dan. Get it right, there's only you who can.

Potter is a tricky one. He was at a well run club in BHA but Chelsea have broken the very best coaches with their crazy way of doing things so his struggles there don't say all that much about him personally.

I would be curious to see Bielsa or Saari in the hotseat. I doubt either would come.

Carsley would be my favourite for longevity and building back.

I'm not looking beyond May. I just want a new guy to have a premier league team to manage. I believe the return of Garner, McNeil and Iroegbunham definitely improves this team and keeps us up. I also believe any manager coming in to play on the front foot with our ageing warriors at the back will take us down

My very basic understanding of the current finances is that TFG cannot pump lots of cash in for the moment due to PSR.

Therefore they might have been forced to weigh up either buying some new players (a striker for instance) or paying Dyche's compensation. Personally, I'd sack him and stick all the chips on the new coach to give us enough of a bounce with the current squad to stay out of trouble. Then make the signings in the summer.

I would take Ange any day. Spurs currently have their entire defence unavailable through injury, not sure another manager would come in and improve them.

I'll say that Super Frank most definitely DID connect and if We've had a manager with charisma then I REALLY wanted Frank to succeed just for The Love. ( and some degree Bobby Brownshoes and Marco too but to far lesser degrees).

Moyes had command and though I never felt "The Love" for him, I was a willing footsoldier in Moysies Army and We were all on the march together.

Big Joe Royle totally INSPIRED and mobilised the entire Blue Army when ALL was lost, he turned "forlorn hope" into Unshakeable Belief.
"Dogs of War !!".
Joe isolated defeatism and made it the common enemy and then threw not just survival but The FA Cup in the face of failure.

dyche is a fuckin cheeky, moaning, overpaid, no-trick donkey.

I'd FAR rather get relegated with Frank and the Blue Pyros than hear another single fuckin word from this arsehole.
At least Frank cared about Everton !!

Can anyone confirm ?

Don't know how easy that Mourinho would be to get out of his Galatasary contract as he is only 6 months into a 2 + 1 year option.

As usually there is no smoke without fire, one can only assume that the relatively small payout negotiation with 6 months on his contract left, then Dyche will be gone before Thursday. Woan and Stone will also be gone so that would have to leave Baines stepping up as a caretaker as we would basically have no first team coaching staff at all.

If I had to throw a name out there then for me just go and get Sebastien Hoeness from Stuttgart and get a young progressive head coach in place. Could be the same catalysis that a certain young German manager had for that lot across the park.

People forget how boring his football got, and not just for us. WHU supporters couldn't wait for him to go and that was AFTER they won a trophy.

i cannot believe if it is Moyes that this was lined up before Xmas. This belongs to the last seven days.

You're not a taxi driver are you, mate ?

I ask for two reasons

If Doucoure's shot never went in then we would have gone down under Dyche.

He has written this season off from day one with his garbage, clueless football with no intention to try and progress up the table, just playing every match to not lose.

His stats are appalling.

And in the unlikely event of this one being true. I was going to suggest There may be a nice little earner for the cab driver prepared to go to Kettering and listen to Dyche for 2.5 hours

Mourinho would be a simple and embarrassing act of desperation on a par with Fireman Sam but for different reasons.

… got fed up with people talking behind my back.

On another matter PH. What was your impeccable source for this definitive statement: Paul Hewitt 12 'West ham manager sacked. They after potter [sic]'?

Everton players have scored two goals from open play in nearly 1,000 minutes of football.

Isn't that just pathetic Ian? Two goals in ten games. The arrogant know-all knob says we don't need a forward coach. The four forwards who have played this season have scored two goals between them.

Desperadoes Manufacturer ? :-)

There is a reason why clubs like Bournemouth, Brighton, etc. are never after someone like him.

What's next? Big Dunc or Rooney!?

Getting rid of the dunce would be a good start

He would keep us up, no doubt.

Spot on mate. No flies on you!!

Thank you.

I still can't believe he actually said this. No shit, Sherlock. Absolute fuckwit.

I totally agree with Mike Gaynes; at long last, we have professional owners.

TFG surely wouldn't think for a second about hiring any of those mediocrities.

I would take Father Christmas till the end of the season if he kept us up. But this fella reportedly has said where he goes next he wants a long-term contract. And not a relegation team.

Liam, he did, and, like you, I'm still shaking my head in disbelief. Someone has to put together a list of the shite that has come out of his dumb mouth: Dycheballs.

Osman on 5Live murdering our set up and play. Big focus on full backs who do not overlap and crossing from too deep.

Everton, under Dycheosaurus, on the other hand…

I wonder who’s coming? It’s a scary thought.

But I strongly believe that with Dyche it’s likely that we won’t keep away from going into the drop zone at some point.

And then it’s a question of are we ‘lucky’ enough to escape again?

History says we can avoid the drop, but it’s not good enough for me. Bring in a fresh face and give them 19 games to glory.

Could also liken it to a trip to the dentist, but at least coming out of the dentist, the pain goes away.

My m8 who went on Saturday also noted players arguing, blsmaming each other, visibly on the pitch. Is the dressing room broken? Who knows for sure but it is looking desperate. Peterborough will fancy their chances, regardless of who starts.

Take it to penalties and

The penalty that Ipswich conceded late, is a kind twist of fate, but Everton can't afford the risk to the investment and sponsorship deals.
There's the bottom 7 albeit Soton who I'd say are gone so big stakes.

UTFTs!

Blaming individuals the last few games in the pressers,also doesnt show a united front.

But change is needed.

Baines as assistant coach with Carsley in charge?

I don’t think that Potter would make much difference. It’s a rescue job and TFG will probably bring in their own foreign manager.

You nailed it. Can we expect much else with the atmosphere and mentality that Dyche has unforgivably created?

I take no responsibility ... The players do not follow our instructions ... the players have to shoulder blame ... 'We' have made the players ten times better ... I do not need an attacking coach ... The runs still not really on paper a bad run if you add wins in.

A cowardly narcissistic gaslighter.

Let's face it, the choice of options out there to replace Dyche isn't exactly inspiring.

Those complaining about Dyche not accepting responsibility for bad results will need a collective mental health referral if Mourinho turns up at Goodison Park. Not likely to happen, thankfully.

Oh for some mid-table mediocrity

Graham Potter
Joachim Löw (aka the boogerman, seen sniffing his own crap too)
Erik ten Hag
Xavi
Rudi Garcia
Paulo Fonseca
Massimiliano Allegri
Kasper Hjulmand
Maurizio Sarri
Lucien Favre
Jürgen Klinsmann

There are only 2 or 3 of those I'd consider, TBH!

After the Bournemouth home game this season, okay, we calamitously threw it away, I thought maybe there's a team in there, the way we performed for 80 minutes: the football that day was exciting, invigorating, had you on the edge of your seat… then Bang! — not one single game since has he even replicated that sort of performance.

That end to that game has just seemed to knock the life out of our season and our players (Ndiaye aside) look terrified to receive the ball. He hasn't helped himself playing players out of position – Harrison and Lindstrøm to name but two.

He has persisted with the likes of Mykolenko and Doucoure who probably – and I don't say this lightly – are two of the worst footballers ever to grace Goodison Park yet still get selected week after week. Is there really not a left-back in any of the U21s or U18s that could perform any worse?.

We have a 39-year-old fullback who is the first name on the teamsheet ffor every game, I doubt there's a Sunday league side in the country who'd play a man of that age yet Everton play him, week-in & week-out.

Them two full-back positions should have been solved in the summer; unfortunately for us they weren't. It's obvious he doesn't rate Patterson. Yes, I know he's been injured, he's not now, yet he's still on the bench. That said, his defending is up for debate but he still passes the halfway line and attempts a cross – unlike the other two.

It's obvious Dyche knows he's history, his excuses are coming out with their hats and coats on now! The quotes on Saturday post-match were quite frankly bizarre: "good run if you throw a few wins in"???

His little dig by saying everyone expecting miracles because it's the Old Lady's last season – No, Sean, not miracles but better results and performances than what you've given us… Is this any way to bow out of this famous ground before we leave?

If we were to keep him, he would relegate us – of that I've no doubt. I've seen enough of Ipswich and Wolves the last 2 days to know they've got more going forward than us. Yes, Wolves lost tonight but I think they'll survive; Ipswich… mmm, not sure. They looked great going forward but defensively are quite naive. That said, I think they've got 5 players who played in League One who played yesterday, some going that.

As for Dyche's replacement, I haven't got a clue, but certainly not Moyes after his "I don't want to be in a relegation fight "shout. Er, I don't really think you're one to pick and choose Dave. Potter has been out the game a while… not sure.

I just hope they've lined up a young progressive thinking coach who will stop putting square pegs in round holes, gets us playing on the front foot, and who ultimately gets us winning at least 7 games between now and seasons end – and we all know why!

Oh one last thing: Mourinho? No thanks, yesterday's man.

My mental health referral went in during the Benitez years and I ain't been out the woods since.

We have good owners, a great new stadium. 5 minutes and he should be gone. Heartless, but look at the other teams in the same situation, apart from Man Utd.

I want her to smile more…

Don't get me started, my friend. 😬

We need someone who can attract quality players – maybe not top players – who are out of our price range but the chance to play for him and Everton in the new stadium would be a big help.

We just need this waste of space gone now!!!

I don't see a caretaker boss having the time to do better than Dyche, with the squad that's there.

Panic recruiting someone else right now would be very Moshiriesque.

I bet Allardyce has put down the gravy boat for 5 minutes and has been seeing if those old Everton phone numbers still work…

Sadly, I think the most sensible thing for TFG to do would be to throw all their support behind Dyche and cross their fingers.

Inside the club, things may have shifted against Dyche. We do not know what the attitude and situation is internally.

Having said that, he did sign a 3-year contract. That's the deal and, if he is sacked, he will be paid in full. So, horrible as it may be, he has to go. The way we are playing this season is an embarrassment to this once proud club.

We have never been popular with anyone but ourselves but I have never seen anyone take the Mickey out of us like the Bournemouth fans did over the weekend.

I would lay odds that everyone concerned with Ipswich, Leicester, and Wolves wants us to stick with our current manager. That's how bad it is.

In my opinion, his replacement will have to be “better at being pragmatic” than he is with a proven track record of displaying that quality. He will also have to possess a Plan B when the pragmatism has served its purpose.

In other words having stabilised and secured our Premier League status, he will have to possess the managerial skills and tactical knowledge to take us to the next level.

That being the case, of all the candidates mentioned, there are only two candidates I would consider: Mourinho or Allegri… and for me, the standout is Allegri.

Some say Potter, some say Moyes and then some say Baines and Carsley. Some are even calling for the chosen one, Cooper or Parker.

The one common theme though is Dyche has to go because he is one-dimensional and has not tried anything new all season. The same tactics and the same personnel.

I like Mark #21's comments:

“Harrison on the left? Not tried. Ndiaye or Lindstrom through the middle? Not tried. Patterson as a right winger? Not tried. Chermiti (now fit again)? Not tried. Beto or Calvert-Lewin and Chermiti as a partnership up front? Not tried.”

Bringing in somebody new would hopefully look at the options instead of having 2 goalkeepers on the bench each week. I personally would like the Baines and Carsley scenario but worry that being too experimental could be risky at this stage of the season.

So it would be the chosen one for me as he also plays it tight at the back but hopefully would see a better midfield and forward line formation as outlined above. But then as has been quoted already the TFG has already sacked him once so that won't play out.

The options are therefore not great and so I fear that it is a bit of a poison chalice for whoever takes the job, especially when we have no idea ourselves which way to go.

I don't think a payoff would affect PSR as we are in the new year and his deal expires in six months so his wages – whether paid weekly or as a payoff – fall in this timeframe either way.

That said, obviously new wages and possible compensation for another club releasing said manager would impact finances.

Those costs would (hopefully) be offset by a higher Premier League position which is worth around £3M a place.

I was wondering about that myself.

I can almost imagine advisors telling The Friedkin Group that they need to call Dyche a taxi.

"Okay, but give me the business case" they would say.

It will cost us about £2M. In theory, we could increase revenue if we move up the Premier League table. But in reality, there's not too much scope for that. Probably the best we could hope for is to break even on the move.

"So what happens if we do nothing?"

Well, if we go down, it's a catastrophic loss of revenue.

"So we're going down and this is a defensive move?"

Well not exactly. We're currently above the relegation zone. With a game in hand.

Basically, we need the Friedkins to be convinced that we could really go down. And I'm not really convinced that we will.

I was drinking with a West Brom supporting mate over Christmas and the way he described Cordoran's play was exactly the same as the way I see Dyche's style of play described on these pages.

The difference being that we have Pickford, who hoofs the ball upfield, while West Brom dither about passing back to the goalie who makes a hospital pass to a defender that's turned over.

He, and he assures me others, are glad to see the back of him, and they get £2M compensation to sweeten the departure.

West Ham will likely be looking at the same list as us and I think it would make sense to get a jump on them.

Sarri is an intriguing option and Allegri and Fonseca are good managers too. Not sure which of them would consider Everton attractive currently but there are some decent, available options who could help both in the short and long term.

It may happen, it might not. But it certainly isn't an inevitability.

Whilst I doubt we could entice him away from Brentford, Thomas Frank would be my personal choice.

In only 8 of Moyes 11 seasons did we finish in the top 10, and in only 4 of them we finished in the top 6, (a 4th, 5th (2X) and 6th, with 7th (2X) and an 8th) so he must have drawn a few games against "the rest" – not beat them as you said.

So we wouldn't want a manager like that, would we.

So it's a No to The Dour One from me.

I remember he made a few snide comments about his sacking so I doubt they'd consider him.

Or (not that I watched it) waiting for Who Shot J R in Dallas?

But we won't wake up and find it was all a dream!

More like a nightmare! :-)

Lee Carsley would be ideal. We need a young progressive manager who will take the club forward and believes in youth and building a system with the odd risk thrown in.

We need a complete reset so that our fans can get behind someone and give them 100% support. I can't stand the toxic atmosphere at Goodison Park.

New owners… stage fright!!

We certainly won't be bringing in a big name because who would want the job?

The Moyes/kenshite combo did stabilise us for many a year but the acceptance of mediocrity and being grateful for living off scraps became ingrained in our DNA under their stewardship.

However, I feel we are in such a dire situation that I’d be willing to give him a six month contract to see if he can inject some life into this moribund team.

If he’s successful, maybe a back room role but, never as long term manager

My own criteria would be 1) Currently or recently managed in England/Spain/Germany Italy or France 2) Good coaching skills in developing young talent 3) Experience in working with a DoF in a well-established Academy structure.

The chosen one? Not happening and not a good choice for me!

Sari is an interesting one, but for a more settled squad maybe, with more time to bed in.

Potter is a prem ready manager, didn't work at high flying Chelsea, but could be a good quick fit here and now

He would be looking for at least 18 months, I'd run with that rather than 6 more of the same.

The younger squad members would be champing at the bit and those running down contracts might want to take a good look at themselves.

Potter please, sit him down with Thelwell this week, lose a few and bring in some fresh young legs.

Sitting on a bucket does not make you into a Bielsa, nor does working solely with the cream of young, English talent. I think Lee needs to cut his teeth managing a lower league club first to see how he does managing average players.

I always thought that 9 players finishing their contract, along the Manager would create problems in this New Year, since negotiations over those contract and especially the Manager's would come into play.

Survival in the Premier League is once again is the key.It looks like what or did not happen during the Summer is now coming home to roost.It should have been Everton pushing on after Premier League survival, but it did not happen even with the many positives that unfolded, that we as Evertonians have been waiting on for over 30 years.

Maybe this is what watershed moments look like.A Growth spurt with all of associated turmoil.

Sarri for me too Andrew

Still the DOF appears to be free from blame.

What worries me about our scenario is that the speculation might be deflecting from the dire need to get better players through the door.

Hopefully McNeil and maybe one of the long term midfield injuries will be fit for Villa.

Colin #46, or Carsley could come to Everton and see how he does managing lower league players?

Whoever comes in has to prioritise players with serious pace, it’s not rocket science, many on here have been banging on about our absolute lack of pace for years, but just look at Forest and see how quickly you can transform things.

The Posh are in good form in their league but if we can run out a convincing win, maybe 3, 4 or 5 - 0 on Thursday we might see a some confidence returned to take into our upcoming league fixtures, but if we (God forbid) lose, draw or just manage a scrappy 1-0 win it is just going to add more gloom.

There is absolutely no reason not to try and play a front foot, offensive attacking game on Thursday. We have to try something different.

TBH I don't particularly care if we lose as long as we have tried to take the game to Peterborough, tried something different to what we've been enduring. A bit of a cup run is good fun of course, and gets us all dreaming but we know, realistically, within a few names where the FA Cup will end up.

I will try to watch on Thursday (not sure if our game is being televised here) and if we struggle I really am dusting off my pitchfork and lighting up my torch. I am hoping for TFG to make a move before then but as each hour goes by with no meaningful information or news I'm less hopeful. The silence is truly deafening to use the old idiom.

I'm fearful it could be a depressing Spring and early summer.

Why are people calling for Baines? If anything, I'd prefer Tait, as he has been working with Dyche, knows the senior squad better (as in he's been at the club longer as a coach) and has integrated several players into the 1st XI.

However, I don't know how the U21/23s setup. I believe Thelwell wanted all the age group teams to play the same system; though I find it hard to believe that he'd want the 1st team playing like Dyche has them setup? Maybe somebody who follows the age groups could let us know.

I'm sure that Tait has a better grasp of what the players can or can't do too. At PL level I mean.

As for all the names being bandied around, being objective and realistic;

1) If the most optimistic guesstimate is right, we have about £38mn breathing space re PSR, but I don't know how much of that is available for plater recruitment? Also it could be a lot lower.

2) I don't believe and A or B level manager E.g. Sarri, Frank, Potter or even McKenna would come here in our set of circumstances i.e. league position/situation and squad.

3) I don't think that TFG would want to rock the boat too much before the end of year accounts, so that they will have a better handle on available monies going forward. Why potentially throw good money after bad, and potentially make a poor situation worse?

All conjecture of course, but I guarantee you nobody with a big name or reputation will touch us currently new owners and new stadium be damned.

How's that MK 😁👍💙

Oh and do all of the above without spending more than psr allows.

Is Graham Potter, Sarri, Mourinho or even Carsley that man?

Meanwhile on planet earth we are in the transfer window and the only transfers linked are outgoings. The reality of the situation is glaringly obvious, we are in a relegation fight again against the 3 promoted teams and maybe Wolves all of which have outspent us on players by quite a bit.

Dyche is in a no win situation, if we stay up he enhances his reputation as a dour fire fighter, if we go down it will be all his fault.

The psr situation has dictated how the club has behaved over the last 4 years, this is just the culmination regardless of manager. I don't believe any other manager in world football could operate under the same restrictions.

I am not defending his style of play, formations or manner. Any manager would be forced to play the same way. Nice football doesn't avoid relegation.

A new manager may motivate the players for a few weeks but the same issues at the club will soon bite. As a club we have regressed over the last 4 years. If Dyche gets the sack we will need a manager with the same characteristics as him to motivate and get the most out of the very weak squad on a budget to avoid relegation.

I don't envy Thelwell or the new owners in trying to source our new manager if and when Dyche gets the boot. Who else out there has the fire fighter reputation?

I agree, P'boro won't define our season, but it may well define Dyche's season.

Forgetting ifs, buts and maybes, or coulda-shoulda; the biggest thing going into Thursday's diabolically scheduled game, is it gives Dyche a free hit to try something new?

Maybe starting with playing players in their preferred or more effective positions, and maybe a little upshift in tactics, and push forward/move higher up the pitch a little more.

As we have seen in the last two games, I wouldn't say it is clear that Dyche has been told to shift the balance of his structure away from as much defence, but it looks like there is a slight shift, which unfortunately makes us look more prone to mistakes and slightly more pourous in defence.

I feel P'Boro, though not pressure free entirely, is going to be Dyche's last 'free hit' this season.

That is a brilliantly insightful and objective post!

Well said that man!

Take a bow 👏👏👏👏👏

If, I know that word again, Wolves had won last night we would be in the relegation spots. I know that didn't happen, but it shows how perilously close we were to doing so. I see no reason why a temporary manager, even it it was Leighton Baines or a Baines/Ferguson joint effort, it wouldn't guarantee anything, but I feel between the two they could do a lot better than Dyche.

This would give TFG time to get their target manager. A couple of additions in the Window in key areas ( Winger / Striker / Midfielder) hopefully gets us safe even if one place above relegation. Reload in the summer when many contracts expire anyway.

The arrival of the Friedkins means those days are over for Sean Dyche. There are now individuals with a future stake in the club who will take action to protect their investment if results don't improve. This might, I stress might, force our stubborn manager into changing his tactical approach to games.

The Friedkins should be assessing Dyche's performance, even if that means he's still in the job at the end of the week. I'm not sure how much pressure he's felt from above during his time at Everton, the Friedkins may be applying some now before considering pulling any triggers, it's what most employers would do if they felt their employee was under-performing.

We are going down with Dyche. Has he shown any inclination to change his suicidal ways? Has he shown any tactical innovation? Does he motivate the players to play without fear? Has he taught his players how to pass to each other or get in early crosses into the box? Answers on a stamp please.

Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, Nottingham Forrest even Wolves, amongst others, have shown that making changes before it’s too late can make a huge difference.

Moshiri, being an idiot, made the wrong choices with Lampard, the FSW, and Dycheosaur. Let’s hope and pray Friedkin has a bit more about him before we end up in the championship

I am not well versed in European football, but of the current managerial names being bandied around that I am familiar with however, Frank would be be my choice. I don't know what his contract situation is, maybe there's a slim to outside chance we could get him in the summer.

I just watched the extended highlights of the Wolves v Forest match and then the post match presser with Pereira.

Wolves could have gone in at half time drawing 2 all. They played some good football and Forest’s goalie had a blinder.

I was impressed with Pereira, his demeanour, the way he answered questions, his analysis of the game etc. I think we missed the boat with him. I think he will steer them to safety.

We have to cut ourselves adrift of Leicester and Ipswich.

He's another manager I like, but again, I think the only chance of getting him would be if we're still in the Prem come the end of the season. It seems obvious now that the Friedkins have previously identified someone who is not currently available and their plan was for Dyche to see things out. That may still be their intention unless their hand is forced by us nose-diving into the bottom three.

Financially it will cause some damage to fire him now but if we don’t act and are relegated, it will cost us a fortune. I would think Potter would plump for WHU over us, so who steps in, would be anyone’s guess.

Yes we’ve suffered injuries and yes we don’t have squad depth but I don’t agree that our players are crap. Our style of play has been with a strong emphasis on defence first and we don’t attack or create many chances. We don’t score enough goals and as a result don’t win that many games. That’s why we’re near the bottom.

I firmly believe a more attack minded manager would get more out of this squad. We don’t need a complete overhaul, a couple additions with pace and guile would help though.

"The "After Dyche, the deluge" Mentality shown by some on here is worrying "

So the illogical catastrophizing of a group of people coming on to every thread fueling each others anxiety by saying the same things and using the same careully selected stats doesnt concern you ?

Fair play to you mate.

The next few months is Dyches opportunity to enhance his CV and increase his chances of further employment if not with Everton at least with some other prospective employer.

Being fatalistic makes no sense whatsoever.

Solve the second part and the first part will take care of itself.

I don't know if this is speculation about us being interested in Potter along with West Ham. You ask why would he choose West Ham over us, I would think the fact they are 7 points clear of relegation and we are only 1 point above the drop zone, and yes we do have a game in hand on most of our rivals. But we know that will be a very tough game to win. Obviously Potter would take into account how long a contract he was being offered and how much each club would pay him. I would also imagine how much say he has in transfers will be another consideration.

I personally would love Potter, he plays football the right way and I think he got a raw deal at Chelsea as did Pochetinno.

Be very surprised if he chooses West Ham.

Cant be praised for services to football whilst managing our lot.

I tend to agree, I don't believe our players are great, but I do think that with the right system, tactics and belief we would be doing better with them.

Before the season started, and looking at the players we brought in such as Mangala and Lindstrom I was quietly optimistic that we would improve. Sadly it hasnt happened.

The only reason Potter would choose West Ham over us is their current league position compared to ours.

Medium to long term we are a far more attractive proposition. They, West Ham, did their money in the summer. They have no more money to spend at the moment and they have one of the worst defensive structures in the Premiership. They are also one of the teams that we outplayed this season.

I would be pretty confident that if the choice was being made in the summer, he, Potter, would be on Merseyside.

Sounds like something our previous useless owner would do! Obviously we’ve got no idea what Dan Friedkin and his soon to be board will be like in the future, but can only hope it’s better than the current West Ham lot.

I'm not sure why we would be a better bet for any manager than they are.

There squad is probably better man for man too, especially at the top end.

That could all change now Everton have entered talks for Potter, but from what I’ve heard, their manager will be gone after the cup game.

Clive, and I really mean this, Haaland would struggle to score in our team.

We just don't create clear cut chances for our forwards. I accept your figures for DCL but the lads been living off scraps for season after season.

In the 12 games preceding City's game on 29th of December, when City were basically playing shit, Haaland scored 4.

If your team's not playing well and creating even the best strikers struggle.

And before anyone says it he "missed" 5 one on ones during that period.

Agreed Brian, he had a good season under Carlo, he hasn’t just turned into an awful player overnight from being on the brink of the England squad.

We don’t play anywhere near to his strengths which is putting crosses into the box from the 18 yard line rather than lumping it deep for him to chase his own flip ons.

Instead we just concentrate on a few missed one on ones as evidence that he is now shit.

Unless you’re swayed by London for me it’s no contest. New owners with ambition, a fantastic new stadium and a lot of play room on the wage bill with 12 players ending contracts in the summer - ie a lot of scope for a new manager to bring in his players relatively quickly.

That’s before we add the history!

Do we (fans) want Potter? That’s another question.

I'd take Potter, previously I was dead set against him but now I think he might fit.

Starting with an excellent defensive core, if he can add some attacking flair to that I think he could be a fairly instant success.

I said before, Pep is a better judge than me and he rates Potter apparently.

Are we really having a discussion over us and fking West Ham?

But I think he would choose WHU because presumably he has roots of some sort in the south after stints at Brighton and Chels. Also the background is stable at the Hammers whereas here no one knows if Friedkin will be another disaster or salvation.

Potter doesn't pass the "does he look and sound inspirational?" test.

I know who does though

He seems like the sort of person who holds a grudge, and his experience of managing a shit team like ours is sorely limited.

Would he even be any good at a relegation side?

He's a shoe-in.

The Posh’s last 5 games read: W0 D1 L4.

So encouraging on that front albeit they usually score. They are two places above the relegation zone (sound familiar?) in league 1!

Our reserves should be able to win this at home, never mind the first team. Let’s get a win and a result to give Dyche a good send off and wish him all the best Friday morning. New guy in over the weekend please.

No chance Geoff - he'd get hounded out...

Chain smoking cool Italian, what’s not too like 😎 🇮🇹

I think the return of the Spaniard, would challenge my desire to attend Everton matches in the near future.

4 of those leaving are on loans, so can be replaced by other loans. There are loads of players in the free transfer section and many decent players available for less than £10-15m (as regularly demonstrated by the likes of Brighton, Brentford, Palace and Bournemouth). Not sure why we paid Eur 30m for Beto. Sporting I believe paid £26m for Gyokeres as example. (Yes I know we got Beto on the never never but I’d hope that can now change.)

A decent scouting network should be able to find a couple of quick full backs and better centre mids. Assuming we’re still in the Premiership, we’re a massive draw for most professional footballers. Not to mention the deals that could be done with Roma.

Why not send Broja back now and loan someone else from Chelsea - Chillwell as example.

Even more ridiculous Clive is that he plays Harrison on the right and he’s a left winger (allegedly). As you say McNeill on the left, Ndiaye on the right and Lindstrom in the centre, surely, or am I missing something fucking obvious here.

the players I am thinking of are Doucs Mangala Gueye Seamus and Young and DCL. the only loan being Mangala, and he was a special favour when Textor thought he was getting the club. I don't fancy filling all those positions with loans and free transfers in the summer, but that's where we are. I'm not saying we won't be able to get a squad together, but this is really tough. IF anything, the job of Everton manager gets significantly worse each year. I know the stadium and things are coming round the corner, but we are still in dire straits. Especially when you add in we will need to replace Myko as well, and nobody will be giving us a fee for him either, so he'll go on loan if we're lucky.

and I don't think we can expect any special favours from Roma, their fans will go nuts if they start sending any good players here.

That is a definite non-starter!

Potter off to West Ham

Mourinho to Everton starting with training this weekend

One reason would be the plus £200k a week salary he's on.

Harrison, whether left or right, should be nowhere near our team. Doucoure should also be nowhere near our team.

N’Diaye should be played centrally or given a free role to drift in the pockets of the width of the pitch in between the opposition’s defence and midfield.

Dyche looks scared and out of ideas!

Pickford

Pattinson Takes Branthwaite Myko

Gana mangala lindstrom

Coleman N’Diaye McNeil

DCL

Coleman from a playing perspective isn't relevant (given he doesn't play) and Young can be replaced. Gueye will be difficult but we can surely find a DCM who can be adequate if not pull up trees. We've been pretty poor in our loan signings as well. Harrison is a poor premiership player imo who we're paying £90k/week for (and being played out of position), Broja needs sending back as his injury record is simply appalling, Lindstrom also being played out of position is a waste. That's three positions in the squad not being fully utilised.

With Garner, Tim and McNeil back our midfield is actually ok. What we lack imo is pace out wide. If we have FBs with pace who could support the attack and get crosses in we'd be a much better side - and DCL (or any other striker) would score more goals. Or just start off stopping this inverted winger tactic and get some crosses in with people loading the box.

Chelsea have a million players, surely we can swap Broja for someone else now. He's been unavailable for most of the season. He may be back for the Villa game but I highly doubt he'll go the rest of the season without another injury.

As for Roma, am sure they have some players who could be useful to us and vice versa without fans kicking up a fuss. Isn't that what the whole multi-club ownership model is about?

Good ideas Winston especially if you can get away with having 12 men on the pitch 😉

And he did surprise the world by advertising a wish to return to the Prem with a relegation threatened club, notably as the Friedkin deal neared completion.

Close the thread and get ready to party - we're getting serial winner, kopite hating, inspirational, Mo!!!

Take Coleman out and you get my drift 😂

The great unanswered question is how much PSR will restrict us in the summer. That'll determine how many of our new players will be free transfers and loans, and how many we can actually buy.

But Kevin, I do believe we have the wheeler-dealer we need in Thelwell. If he does stay on, it'll be because the Friedkins trust him to make the best use of whatever financial flexibility we have.

Well, that's convinced me then! Fuck me, one example. And Mr Rathbone, exactly how many managers did not go back? You are the king of the one-dimensional post but would it be somewhere in the region of say 500 or 1000/1?

Oh, I've thought of another one. Kendall Mk II and Mk III. That worked out well, didn't it? There must be a few others but that might just be the thinnest evidence I have ever read to make a (erm) point.

There's quite a few who have gone back if you think about it.

Ancelotti at Real, Mourinho at Chelsea, Lampard at Chelsea, Dalglish at Liverpool, Hodgson with Palace, Van Gaal at Barcelona, Hiddink at Chelsea, Graham Taylor at Watford, Hoeness at Bayern, Koeman for Holland etc.

Never mind that, it would be a shockingly poor appointment in the unlikelihood that it would ever happen. I would not want the, erm, once 'special one' to be anywhere near our club. And his two main supporters on here – Barry Rathbone and Sean Kearns – do not fill me with hope.

Hoping, too (wow Isak again 1-0), Kieran, that you did not get blasted too much by the weather in Kansas City and that things are settling down once again.

Luckily nothing too bad versus some people here. My wife had a road accident but was physically unharmed. But we haven't lost power or anything.

As for Moruinho, that would be a Moshesque huge mistake of an appointment