good chance of being in the semi finals thats it….

but you have’nt answered my direct questions so i will repeat

please name these ‘top sportsmen and women ‘ you know ?

and how well do you know them ? OMG i’m not scared of city or the rs but i know someone who is !

Because it didn’t go far enough Mark. The side needed a complete overhaul, not just a new carpet and front door.

Quick question.

Is there a character-count maximum in how much one can type?

Its what people do john. Theyre professional managers, they play to their strengths.

Their strengths arent scoring scoring are they ! Theyre neat footballers, that work hard. Tim howard described them worker bees in his time. Probably right now.

Hackney will play more as the season goes on.

Alcaraz is a minor-leaguer, which is where he will wind up next season. He has a couple of nice little moves, but is small AND slow.

Dibling, the only things "criminally wasted" were the pursuit of/money spent on him. His only "good" game was a cup game against minor-league opposition. He doesn’t show anything close to accelerating pace, nor does he show foot quickness when faced up by a defender. The real question about Dibbling is who in the organization looked at him and thought, "Oh yeah, this Dibbling kid. Gotta have him.".

Graham played 3 games in the National League Cup against 5th-6th tier opposition. He scored Zero goals. I suggest we stop touting him for 1st Team minutes. He’s done absolutely nothing to indicate he deserves any.

Graham’s also just turned 19 a couple of days ago. I’d also suggest that if Moyes had a normal-sized 1st team squad, Graham would be loaned out, which is what he (and the Club) really need to happen.

very true dave , tough games coming up . although tiago should be out for brentford , its still a tough ground to go and get a result

liverpool at home will be tough just compare the 2 squad costs ! having said that 2 of their + 100m signings look more like 20m so lets get into them …

and michael as i have recently been made aware , if you don’t know any ‘top sportsmen’ you cannot comment on everton f.c. and especially theirno b. no matter if you’ve been watching everton for over 5 decades – if you don’t know any ‘top sportsmen’ then jog on !

Fluff Michael.

No evidence at all to back it up. Every team will do a balanced training session of defending, ball retention, attacking, finishing etc. When theyre working on the defending, the other players will be providing the attack! Moyes spoke about Barry specifically doing striker training with Baines, or are you disputing that given your regular training visits?

Yeah George now tracks back, and his team mates would have said that both goals againdt united could have been prevented if he had offered more. Or are you happy that he only needs to attack? Perhaps Trevor Steven and co never tracked back either, er they did…

My reply is Michael – one hour ago .

The point I was making was that we high up the league because we have mainly gained points from poor or average teams when we play the better teams we don’t do very well especially when we play away and Moyes has a very poor record when his teams play away from home— I wonder why— I think most fans know why!

James we have signed good players since the TFG took over we’ve also got rid of some complete rubbish why are you slagging the recruitment if just makes no sense.

Ian, the evidence is right there before your eyes in the way the players are playing.

Take Tyrique George. He was full of it and would drive at goal and have a pop. That’s how he’s made. It’s his natural game. That’s what he wants to do.

But over time there’s been a change, and it’s obvuious what has happened. Moyes has told him not to do that. He’s told him to track back, to use all his energy to man-mark when we don’t have the ball, to become part of the defence, to block, intercept and challenge… to play it backwards or sideways conservatively when we do — not scamper forward to try and score.

Sadly, the life and zest for attacking football has been disciplined out of him. Hence no goals. Simples.

Aw fuck! Not pop-ups TW, come on.

Phillip you’ve not answered anything of my post.

Also are you scared of city and liverpool OMG back your team for once these are the worst city and liverpool teams for nearly 10 years wow.

Be nice when we walk out at wembley i hope you think back to your negative comments .

UTFT BARRY BARRY BARRY.

Ian,

Who set that ruling up?

"You play to your strenghts"

Armstrong,Hackney,KDH,George,Johnson,Barry.

Are their strengths in defending?

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I think this is the case for every manager John, and if I’m being honest I don’t think we are doing enough defensively at times mate. I looked at Friday night and our three midfielders all had decent individual games, but I don’t think they always compliment each other because of the big hole that sometimes appears in the middle of the park. When Hackney replaced Armstrong, I thought he was going to sit and make us try and keep the ball a lot better, but he played very high, rather than deep, which left us wide open to the counter attack at times. We have got loads of energy in there, but sometimes I’m not sure we are protecting our two central defenders enough?

Illegal promotion.

"This isnt a moyes issue, its the same issue that has dogged Everton for decades. Shit finance and pisspoor recruitment."

Needs more up arrows.

The recruiting team is poor and has been for a long time.

Sorry. Ain’t I allowed?

You play to your strengths.

Our strength is keeping it tight, as we arent blessed with lots of goal scorers or a team that will score a lot over a season. Whoever the manager is.

I wouldn’t say training is based entirely on defending. It is, and always has been Moyes priority though.

Michael, would you list the favourites Moyes always picks against what you believe the team should be. You make an outrageous statement that you think Alcaraz would score some fantastic goals if selected. Don’t quite know what made you think Alcaraz would score some fantastic goals well his last 3 clubs Juventus played 10 times 0 goals, Flamengo 15 games 3 goals Everton 40 games 2 goals.

The reason why they don’t score as many goals as they should is because the focus in training is almost entirely on defending, so they are not being trained properly to play attacking football.

What is your proof of this? Do you sit in most training sessions, or is it just some bias you’veput out? It is garbage Michael.

The reason they dont score many goals, is because most dont have it in their locker.

Mykolenko isnt a goal scorer. Armstrong going through and missing, is his ability. Obrien isnt a goal scorer. George & Dibling for all their ability, cant hit the target.

Most dont have it in their locker, as goals cost money. And thats been a scant resource, bar one season, in the last 5 years. This isnt a moyes issue, its the same issue that has dogged Everton for decades. Shit finance and pisspoor recruitment.

Pete Ambrose… any chance you could change your Display name???

Moyes has definitely set the team to attack and the only factor stopping more goals being scored is Barry who still struggles to put clear opportunities into the net. Moyes himself has said he wants to see the squad scoring more. He doesn’t set up defensively if he wants goals.

There’s a few problems with your analysis. Firstly, I think the way we played against Coventry in the first half, and in the second half until they scored, is a very clear and accurate representation of the way Moyes sets the team up to play — and it’s definitely not to attack — it is to defend at all costs.

But they let a goal in, and they know that Moyes will be livid. It’s at that point the players finally started playing more attacking fooball. The reason why they don’t score as many goals as they should is because the focus in training is almost entirely on defending, so they are not being trained properly to play attacking football.

That’s a good point, Dave.

But, if you flip to the other side of the same coin, those exact same teams have been denied vital points that would have seen them higher up the table precisely because they lost to Everton!

It’s a funny old game…

Unless you happen to mix with ‘top sportsmen’. Then ‘Alles Klar’ in the words of top sportsman / photographer, Merlin Röhl.

Rob Beattie… is that you? Or Kermit the Frog?

See if you can click on Account and please change your Display name to Rob Beattie. Thanks

Was meant as a reply to MK who complains about Moyes picking his favourites. He doesn’t say who or,who he would put in their position..

Moyes has definitely set the team to attack and the only factor stopping more goals being scored is Barry who still struggles to put clear opportunities into the net. Moyes himself has said he wants to see the squad scoring more. He doesn’t set up defensively if he wants goals.

If you saw how Moyes did in his first term, he gets players playing the team way before introducing them permanently. City have always done it that way, so to have Liverpool. It ensures consistency and style. Look at dibling, he is being introduced slowly because he still isn’t doing what’s asked of him. George is getting close but still lacking. Hackney should be getting more time but who do you drop to put him in ? Garner,Armstrong, Dewsbury-Hall. Hackney is midfield so where would mk play him ? On the wing maybe haha.

COYB

Well, if we have a 7-point lead over the second-place team with two matchdays left to go, then I’d certainly like to see that happen. 😉

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Michael 8 minutes ago

Yes everything was half cocked at Goodison then and when Kenwright took over if things weren’t broken Billy Boy really fucked them up for good!

There is no chance of us getting relegated now.

Might have to file that one away, Steve, in case you just happen to be tempting fate.

Still a long long way to go to get to 40 points…

It may have been a last-minute thing, Dave. And Finch ducking out for phone calls, presumably with Joe or Johnson, just adds to the chaos because Finch hadn’t been given or didn’t have the decision-making authority to carry it through.

Yes, you can point to failings that just wouldn’t happen at a well-run club. But it is not always as simple as that out there in the Real World.

Mind you, it helps if you know a top sportsman. Then everything becomes clear and you also have a unique window on the future, nevamind the ancient past!

I think it is worth mentioning that 90 % of the points gained have been against teams in the bottom half of the league and near the bottom of it— it makes a big difference.

Well surely Michael if Joe Royles wife was , unfortunately I’ll with a serious illness, there should have been someone taking Joes place while he was looking after her especially as it was known that Nigel was very keen to join the club.

Very good article Patric! Succinct and nice balanced use of the stats.

There are some really concrete lessons, and I suppose truisms.

There is no chance of us getting relegated now – decent 10 game start.

But we know we have a hard run of games now. Brentford and LFC just from the get go after the international break.

I do hope as JC said – that the younger ones continue to get game time and develop more of a cutting edge. Thats where our upside and future lies.

On the other side you did say JC that we would be in the bottom 5 before Christmas, was it??? Don’t want to miss quote you mate.

I think there’s a few details here that make the story a lot less bizarre and more understandable than the naked fact that we were left to ponder over for 30 years: "Nigel Martyn came to sign for Evereton and they told him the way to Leeds."

For example, the manager not being there was strange but you know-it-alls presumably knew Joe’s wife was seriously ill at the time? And he was probably away caring for her? Not sure that was revealed… perhaps understandably. And Peter Johnson being away on business was pretty rare… not quite like Kenwright who spent almost all his time in London.

So I think Nigel provides a lot more context that does make it less of a folklore nonsense and more one of those things that just happen in real life… But that was not how it was reported to us numpties at the time!

Two points from a Champions League place Michael 😉

You only win games when you score more goals than the opposiiton. 😉

Then why are you reading an article on league tables?

thanks mark – for your erudite reply. first of all . to win the milk , rumblelows ,coca cola league cup we need to beat fleetwood and probably both city & liverpool …sorry to spoil your t.barry fantasy but that ain’t gonna happen .so you ask what planet am i on ? the planet reality is the answer you should try it sometime…..oh and i’ve seen some immature / childish comments on here but your ‘ you have probably not known a top sportsman ‘ well that takes the biscuit ! what next ? my dads bigger than your dad ! please supply a list of these top sportsmen that you know and how well you know them and i will bow down to your superior knowledge.

from the street end i have watched royle , latchford and sharpe all top everton centre forwards and spoken to them at various events but i don’t actually know them – i don’t recall any of them going like a peacock !

Yea, I think you might be right, Jimmy:

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Still major concerns for me over others:

Hackney: Starts only in the Carabao Cup, none in the Premier League after Day 1. Does get used off the bench (8 times out of 9) but way way too late in games.

Alcaraz: A player who I’m sure would score some brilliant goals if given decent game time, but it’s never going to happen. On the bench for all 10 games so far; very very late sub in 4 of them.

Dibling: After being totaly wasted as an asset last season, he has had just 1 start, and 3 sub appearances in 10 games. With a quarter of the season gone, he is well on the way to another criminally wasted season under Moyes.

Graham: Oh, and the forgotten man. He’s now spent 10 pointless games — 20 hours — just sitting on arse doing nothing else but making up the numbers while the big boys play yer propper footy.

Sodd off Sofia.

Brian its always good to see where your team are in terms of games played i think Everton fc.

The last 2 seasons at the halfway stage 19 games i think Dyche had 17pts when he got sacked .

Moyes got 31pts in 19 games strong 2nd half to the season. 48pts.

Moyes last season had 28 pts in 1st 19 games then we had a poor 2nd half

Moyes came in with only 21pts to finish on 49pts both seasons we finished 13th .

So far 16pts from 10 is about just ahead of schedule around 30pts at the halfway would give us a chance to push on .

But we will need some investment and hopefully a bit of quality.

And before anyone asks…

There are signs over the last few games that might be changing a little.

Armstrong: Started every Premier League game… but subbed off in 3 of the last 5.

George: Started the last 4 games; played his first-ever full 90+ minutes, despite not scoring.
O’Brien: Started 3 of the last 4 games.

Rohl: Young and talented but has become a Moyes favourite: played all games (unless injured); rarely subbed.

Maitland-Niles: Given 5 starts as a newbie (maybe on the strength of that brilliant goal) but subsequently dropped to the bench for the last 4 games after being ‘found out’.

Keane: Previous all-playing fave… now more and more the sub.

Nørgaard: Arrived injured; given a ridiculous debut as sub, benched since.

The league table only matters after 38 games.

You dont think he could win us a cup what planet are you on.

You cant tempt fate but Everton fc are almost certain to be in the semis yes or no.

Then your bring sarcastic comments about Harry kane oh and by the way if we win the Carabo cup that will be 1 more trophy than Harry kane won in english football.

Finally you have probaly not known a top sportsman .

Your funny you .

UTFT

Not sure I agree with much of that, Brian.

The table after 10 games shows exactly where we are after 10 games. Nothing more, nothing less. We go up or down from there as the season progresses — have we learnt nothing from last season’s dreadful run-in???

The table shows we’re 6th — none of this "joint-5th" rubbish… that concept simply doesn’t exist. The places are determined on points then goal difference (and then goals scored etc). We are 6th for the next 2 weeks!

And while the small squad size is a fact also, in practical terms, it makes zero difference to Moyes because he always plays favourites and leaves most of his younger more talented players on the bench in favour of the old guard… although there are signs over the last few games that might be changing a little.

What Patric’s analysis confirms is what we all know only too well: we are not scoring enough goals. The primary focus is on defence.

Morning Brian,

Another good post.

We definitely have the nucleus of a good team,i`m very happy with the displays the kids are showing .

Like all young men they will benefit,grow in confidence and improve the more they are allowed to express themselves.

Very frustrating watching the kids having to stick to a rigid formation.They play football because they love the game and the joys it brings when playing attacking football,they dont play it to be defensive barriers.

Last few games they have been allowed to express themselves more.Inevitably mistakes will happen,they will lose possession and be out of position on occasion.

My belief is let them learn from the mistakes,we will be a far better side for it in the future.

mark steers in your reply to tom bowers , well your hero worship of thierno barry has gone up a couple of notches !

no doubt he has improved 100% ‘he is only second to cheaty’s haarland in goals scored but seriously ‘he might just win us silverware ‘

do we play fleetwood in the final ? maybe you should nominate him for the ballon dor as he is on course to beat harry kanes goal tally.

and "you have worked with top sportsmen and women and they go like peacocks " !!! ??? WTF are you going on about ?

I have always said don’t look at the league table until 10 games are played, and while where clubs are after 1o games doesn’t mean they will stay in that position but a top half position after 10 games would normally mean you wont be involved in a relegation battle and mor elikely to be challenging for Europe. As for our position at present is joint 5th the only time goal difference comes into play is the last game of the season. I think what’s really positive is we are there with a very small squad and with a nice sprinkle of youngsters in the side with more improvement to come you would hope. Obviously what the Friedkin’s allow us to spend in the January window will have a big bearing on where we eventually finish. But they will want to make sure we are a Premier league club to get the best possible price for the sale of the club.

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