I am sure Everton voted for both PSR and SCR. Why?

It may be massively difficult because of the financial disadvantages but technically it should still be possible for lower teams to get success by assembling a squad that consistently over delivers. A successful club will generate more income so owners may be wary of risking too much too soon but it doesn’t make any sense for ‘greedy’ owners to deliberately prevent something that would give them the best chance of maximising the return on their investment. You need some safeguards against rich idiots potentially destroying clubs. A salary cap would probably be the best solution but I’ve no idea how you would decide what it should be and that level of meddling with market forces probably seems too ‘socialist’ for many people these days.

It’s not rocket science. Pickford with Branthwaite and O’Brien as centre backs and 2 quality full backs and you have the best defence in the league.

Johnson benched tonight, not surprising, we had Parrott who scored an Henry goal tonight for Ireland and had comments here that he was only a Championship player, and bought for €14m, says everything! 1

It wouldn’t be anything but a flesh wound and it’s only fair they get a proportional punishment.

Stats can be misapplied unless all context is given (who gets to play more games with a partner who is at the peak of their game, who is having to deal with a ‘weaker’ right back at the same time as reverting their own approach to central defence, who plays their preferred side most commonly, are all legitimate questions) and I agree with those who think Tarkowski’s inherent weaknesses effectively mould the overall functionality of the team, much as the defensively stalwart but paceless Ashley Young ‘anchored’ the right flank in his last season with us. A lot is being made of our clean sheets but I think we have been very lucky at times so far this season.

They would and there will be more. City generate Revenue for other clubs. Those not interested in winning, it’s simply the taking part in the PL that counts.

There is no ‘defensive dilemma’. None at all. Zero. Moyes would never ever pick JOB ahead of JT.

It’s looks like an NFL (to me at least) in which only 6 clubs are allowed to challenge for the title and most of the rest are happy just to take part by avoiding relegation every year. Because (in my theory) that’s the product. And part of that model is a Mersey Derby that Everton almost never win because that’s the backstory, that’s the narrative, that’s what the viewers in Bangkok, Atlanta, Oslo, Dublin and Shanghai expect, want and tune-in for. And whether my theory is right or not, our club objectively exists to provide glory for the winner clubs, and our payback as fans seems to be that we get to be humoured over our glorious past, shiny new stadium and the wonderful work of EITC.

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bloody hell dave ..moyes lending everton money !!! john moores wanted success not stability !!!

Philip Sheehan in days gone by comics was the term given to your cards — when you got the sack or the job ended your cards had lovely little picture stamps on them!

Not my cup of tea of a centre back. He is effective, but has a ceiling to his play and why he was/is miles off top international level. He has done well this season overall. But I dont expect that to last in late part of the season.

We won’t agree on this Darren but that first Man. Unt. goal was down to Branthwaite anticipating the wrong move along with Mykolenko’s inability to get a tackle in, in the same game Pickford, who’s made as many mistakes as Tarkowski this season, spilt a save and before the Unt.striker had the simple task of prodding the ball into an empty net Tarkowski made a very tackle to stop Unt. going 2-0 ahead and game over. Let’s see how Tarkowski and Everton do against the stronger teams when we face them, they won’t be as easy as the ones we’ve already played and the defence will be doing the bulk of the work defending for long spells.

dave do you mean the beano and the dandy ? angus kinnear and our elite recruitment team certainly would’nt be missed !

Good shout Dave. The goals conceded this season are a sign of his form. 3 goals conceded in 5 games. Long may it continue. Im trying to work out how the Bournemouth goal was down to a Tarkowski mistake. Memory not what it was but I’m sure it was a deflected shot?

Personally David, none. The league would be poorer without them imo.

Why John? What injuries would you suffer, Everton suffer ? What do think is a suitable punishment?

The 1 hope I have is the PL clubs vote to expell them, the teams near the bottom see it as an opportunity for 2 down 3 up and 1club who would be relegated, stays in the PL. But for the integrity of the league, these punishments with massive consequences can only be applied at the end of a season. Now watching the media, it’s like they are now scaremongering about what could happen if they were expelled.

Christy. A point deduction just doesn’t cut it in my view. Few scenarios that I thought about were . If city are deducted a huge amount of points during a season that amount to certain relegation, it renders their league games meaningless, leaving an integrity question over them playing remaining games that effect the PL and other clubs. If city got relegated due to a points deduction, would they still receive the huge parachute payment? They would surely come straight back. Expulsion, which is the only fitting punishment in my view, also opens up so many questions. What happens to the their place in the current PL? The loss of a team, means loss of games, the tv company’s won’t want that, the sponsors and money men don’t be pushing for that. The PL have to vote to expell a club too, are they going to do that ? Or take a lump sum from Abu dhabi as compensation?

Two Premier chairman have told Sky News it would be a self inflicted injury to expel City. I agree with them.

Dave I kinda knew you would come on and defend this walking disaster. You`ve always had a bit of a soft spot for him. But I cant have that Tarkowski was better than crap the season before last. These pages were rammed with last-ditch-tackle fans making excuses for him all season claiming he was playing with an injured back. Yet he didnt miss a game until he did his hamstring. I`m fully aware he didnt play in our last tree games and I`m even more aware that we won all three without him. The goals we have conceded this season (all of them) have been as a result of him being turned inside out or very poor decision making. It could have been an awful lot worse, but for opposition strikers letting him off the hook or team mates pulling out of the shit. Defend him all you like, Dave that`s your prerogative, but this team (like his previous teams) is going nowhere until he is out of it.

it’s pretty simple , supporters and owners desires don’t align. Supporters want glory owners look at the books and the bank balance . The football clubs have been lost , they are merely now an accessory in someone’s portfolio, to be sold when enough profit to be earned . Onfield success / silverware the owners don’t give a rats . finish 17th or above , pay a dividend job done . It’s us mugs keep dreaming

Not having that Darren. “ The last two years” no he got injured near the end of the season before last when he was one of the main defensive players we relied on – last season fair enough he wasn’t at his best and I put that down to him coming back too early, after that bad hamstring injury, because Branthwaite wasn’t fit. I asked for him to be judged after a good few games this season before writing him off— seven games isn’t enough proof that he is going to be as good as I think he’s been but he has been one of the main defenders up to now and having Branthwaite back does help him and I think it helps Tarkowski to concentrate more on looking after his own job without having to look after other defenders too

Michael I think John Moore’s and the Mersey Millionaires was often quoted with it being inferred that Moyes bought all these players for Everton when the truth was that Moyes lent Everton the money as interest free loans — although he was a philanthropist in other ways I don’t think it applied to Everton or Liverpool where he was a shareholder giving both clubs interest free loans to buy their Floodlights for example. It also didn’t help the players to become millionaires like today with top of the range footballers like Jimmy Greaves claiming he never earned more than £100 a week as a basic wage and a lot of other top players getting a lot less than that.

Considering we were deducted 6pts for over spending £19.5m, and we complied with the Premiership, City completely denied everything, so our 12pts original charge works out at City deducted 75pts for starters?

It’s a total shambles, the so called top 6 are on a different playing field than the rest of the Premiership, that was after the City and Chelsea cheats spent massive money before they brought in PSR, how did the other 14 clubs agree to it? What I found staggering, was when the 6 clubs tried to sneak away and start the super league, why didn’t the 14 clubs, who the Premier League depended on, come together and demand a level playing field, we had the power, when they came back with their tail between their legs, and we demanded absolutely nothing, and just let them get away with it?

I have to say, Moyes making him captain, means he’s a certain starter, but this season so far, I think he’s played well, sadly Moyes has Keane ahead of O’Brien, and worryingly Mykolenko is injured again on International duty, so Branthwaite could be left back against Hull, with two slow coaches playing together in the centre. Regarding O’Brien’s stats, you can’t judge his passing or heading duels playing out of position at right back. On Sunday against Israel he won every heading duel and every duel on the floor, but Moyes stubbornness won’t change.

How many goals have we conceded this season Michael. Credit where due

I guess they vote for it because it, in theory makes it harder for EFL clubs to match the levels that PL spend. So PL mid to lower table teams want to cement their place, their share of the TV money and riches the PL offers, while making it harder for others to join and then stay in the PL . Everyone is out for themselves, the top few want to stay there, the rest are so scared of relegation it suits them .

Don’t look back in anger. 😆

An appalling Player. Has been for the past two seasons. Slowest player in the league. Repeatedly runs under the ball because he cannot adjust his feet after misjudging the flight of it. Anchors the team to its only penalty area. Those who dont understand why he has to make so many blocks under his own goal posts will applaud is last ditch “heroics”. Those who do, cant wait to see the back of him. Another Everton “legend” who has only ever known failure.

This is the bit I have never been able to understand, other than it cements the fact that being in the Premier League is the success for most owners. The league isn’t about glory, it’s about money and the dining out on owning an epl team. To have glory, most owners would have to take a huge loss now. Abramovich, Mansour just wanted to buy success like a toy. The irony is, clubs like Man U can be bled dry for profit whilst accruing incredible debt. Go figure

Former Liverpool Chief Executive, Christian Purslow admitted that Liverpool effectively were in administration, were it not for their Bankers ( and Sponsors I think) Santander extending the foreclosure timescales. A preferential treatment not afforded to many.

Excellent summary. Why did 14 out of 20, including Everton vote in favour. It needed a two thirds majority, one more vote against would have overturned it. It’s a non meritocracy, a closed shop. Only the Revenue rich can achieve success under this model. The rest are handcuffed. This would be a good moment to revisit the Rules, the Government Regulator should ask pertinent questions. If Financial security was the purpose, what about Man Utd, £1.1bn in debt. This whole thing stinks. I don’t excuse City, cheating should get its just outcome, but the system is the reason they took the path they did. Horrible as that behaviour is.

I’m glad you noticed that. I saw it in the Roma friendly at GP, so that was 2024 when he played on the left side of the centre backs.

Shhh Dave. You might wake him up

Is that the same Peter Johnson who won us our last trophy?

Manchester City, Aston Villa, Fulham, Southampton, Swansea City & West Brom were the clubs who voted against it at the time, I believe.

If clubs incurring excessive debt was or still is the real concern, then why not just address that? It just seems bizarre that the majority of Premier League clubs (at lest 14 out of 20) would freely vote for something that limits their potential future glory. Why would they do that?

Brian, your comment on a different thread said this: “I was listening to Kevin Mcguire a supposedly financial expert on football matters, and I agree with him when he said that PSR and all the other financial constraints weren’t there to allow fairness — they were brought in so the cartels weren’t impacted and gave them a massive financial position over the rest. “They brought in these rules to bring up the ladder and stop nation states doing what they have done at City and PSG. So seeing these rules benefit a select few, why not scrap them altogether? Let clubs spend whatever they want as long as their are rules in place to stop them walking away from the club and leaving them in massive debt. Maybe the Gary Neville idea of new owners having to give a bond to the premie rleague which guarantees the club will not be in a worse financial position than it was before the current owners took over.” The rules really do not seem to be fit for purpose, do they?

Injuries when was the last time Tarky was injured good luck there . Also when Jarrad gets injured Keane will play because Jake can’t kick with his left foot . If i was jake i would go else where in january .

Jake is certain to get his chance owing to injuries,loss of form etc.Be patient lad,your time will come!

One good point is that Francis accepted that scholarship when it was offered so I think he will be with Everton until he is 18.

I do agree on the PL not having a set punishment. 3- 4 -5 -6 points for psr breaching wouldn’t affect a city, utd or arsenal in the same way it affects a team battling relegation. Chelsea or city could just see how a season is going, if they think a 5-6 point deduction wouldn’t knock them out the CL places or stop them winning a title, they’re likely to just break the rule and take the pre determined point deduction, therfore strengthening their squad for next year. There absolutely needs to be a limit on spend, not linked to your income, which creates a cartel of the already rich, a realistic number, and tiered so the lowest finishing club can spend the most, and the champions the least, to create a healthier competition.

I would like to see a deep dive on Peter Johnson so we have a proper context and a reminder of how bad it was.

UK government has an annual trade budget of £25 billion with the owners of City. Not a chance of relegation imo. UK Government will step in.

Had a great start to the season James, as the goals conceded show. More of the same please Tarks.

Lets get things straight asking Moyes to do something different is a no no. All Evertoinians would love to see Branthwaite and O Brien play together regular, but the big issues are Moyes and Tarkowski will believe there doing nothing wrong they will point at results which Moyes loves . You see Moyes has said after many a game that was a good point, in hindsight you would of accepted that before the game Thats what it says on MOYES TIN. We have 8 more months of this before he is sent packing and O Brien will have to sit and wait for his chance simple really.

Yes Michael, and what is strange is that as an EU operator they are contravening the fundamental competition policy of the EU. The rules are fostering cartel type market dynamics. It probably needs a Bosman type case to clear the decks.