He does mention it in a reply to me Brian, but finding it is like pulling teeth mate. You have to open every post and every reply to see a conversation flow, although that’s the problem, they don’t flow!

What they’ve done is totally legitimate in the business world: seeing a business that should be worth a lot more but is in distress, buying it, returning it to stability, and then selling it for a profit. That’s good business. HOWEVER this should absolutely not be allowed when it comes to football clubs in the UK, they are not assets in distress that can be flipped. They are the cultural fabric of many of our cities and towns. The FA is absolutely toothless and, I suspect, corrupt. They have allowed so much corruption to enter our game, including the abomination that is Man City, but also the horrendous corruption of Roman Abramovich. Everton are not clean in this. Everyone in football now knew that Usmanov was actually running the club. If someone just pulls together the information to prove this, Arsenal and Everton will be in real trouble for having not only an owner who owns significant stakes in two clubs but also, for the corrupt sponsorship deals that Usmanov threw Everton’s way

Dave Abrahams in the recent posts you have said you are considering giving up your season ticket. But I cant find that post on here. Would have really liked to have heard your views after having a season ticket for so long you are now considering giving it up. I dont know why the new owners bought this site as you can see how few posters there are using this site. Despite Harry Diamond and Michael Kenrick imploring the owners to change the format to something we can all relate too, the new owners dont seem to want to listen to them. Its completely destroyed the enjoyment of this site for me.

What a load of negative sh*t. What garbage has he served up? Stabilising the club from nearly being relegated every season? Clearly backing the fans behind the scenes and publicly on Armstrong? Speaking out against the owners? Paid £6m without any pressure? Was there no pressure at the end of last season?Having the smallest squad in the league with huge holes in it and still delivering? I bet he out performs all of our previous managers for the last 9 years this season. What was he plotting with Ferguson? He got offered the biggest job in world football at the time from one of the greatest managers in the history of the game. Have you heard him talk about it and what a hard decision it was or do you just wallow in angry about everyone who has ever left the left the club? Grow up! No wonder we do so badly at home with negativity like this.

Replying to your previous post I’m in the process about deciding about my season ticket this could be my last season.

Eddie that right back is Francis Boggan who can play centre back as well— 16 years old and look at the size of him and plays like a Scouser who knows how to play the game, keep your eye out for him Eddie.

It definitely was Dave , didn’t see it though😜 Good to see your still interested and watching, I think you’ve given up your ST haven’t you?

Jeff I had another post about the United v Spurs game which was accepted but has now gone missing- it was a bleedin brilliant post as well.!

But since you asked so nicely. “The facts are clear: TFG came in and saved the club, have put us on a sound financial footing that is “sustainable” in the medium term under the new SCR rules.” “Another whopper – “and seek to dispose of Everton Football Club from their portfolio of interests.” They have not, it has been known for some time that they are seeking minority investors.” “It’s okay to be frustrated and we all want success. There is no evidence that they are asset strippers. IMO they are going about it in the right way.” “The claim of Quinn that the investment funds have dried up. They are still investing and he does not have any evidence for this wild accusation, all just conjecture again with hyperbole added.” These are your posts from 24 days ago.

Yes, sad to see. Toffeeweb died.

“’Introspection Brown, you need a lesson in manners and you are going to get it, you have picked on the wrong person”, “ Please bring the receipts or you will be declared a low life liar”, “Come on big boy bring the receipts.” And I am the aggressive one? I politely pointed out your inconsistency and blather, and it sounds like you want a fight. Take it easy Granddad.

Mike G. Other than the Friedkins, who are the substantial shareholders? Any of them with the financial clout and interest in buying out the Friedkins, in your opinion? To UK twebbers on here, any thoughts about British billionaires, who might be interested. TIC – New prime minister makes a move for the UK Govt to buy them out. Saudi Arabia like? Er! just anxious to find out if there is an interested party and it is/they are!

Good enough to play for england but a play a bit deeper

I agree , the new format is not fun at all. When you open a new article, it shows ’0 Comments’! But when you go in , you find some responses. It is really painful to click on each of the ‘Show Replies’. The absense of numbers to the contributions also makes it difficult to refer a post in my contribution. It has been a frustrating experience so far and I hope the site owners are working on improving it.

My feelings also Dave as well as quite a few others – several of whom have very different views compared to my own.

Good job it’s not subscription type site – they’d go broke in no time at all.

Don’t ask challenging questions Paul mate, he’s seems a bit confused. He can’t even remember his previous posts.

What are these ‘change in circumstances’?

What on earth are these ‘changing circumstances’ which your refer to multiple times but do not tell us what they are?

If they find a buyer pretty soon – well all is good (or not if they’re just more carpetbaggers.) If there’s no takers, then how long do they keep up on the back burner? There are (this is Everton so there always are) problems down the road Moyes; (take him or leave him ) has 9mths left on his contract. Do they stick or Twist? If they stick how long does he screw them/(us?) for this time? If they Twist, who will they get? who would want it with Owners who want out and seem loath to put any extra cash in? As always with The Ev – more questions than answers

Is right Darren ,his football was awful

In total agreement mike -another example of evertons transfer incompetence ! Piss up in a brewery.

Oh yeah, btw, I’m switching up on the owner moniker. Rather than referring to St Daniel the Absent as the WTFG (what the fuck group), now I am using FTG. As in, fuck that guy! Credit to all those who have said what they are dealing out as not fucking good enough. They would have run that shitty little asset toy game for a couple more seasons if only you were more manipulable. Credit to John Collins’ scousers seeing phonies reference earlier.

I am Spartacus We gotta get this wonderful website through difficult times. It’s fecking picked me up off the floor more times than I care to remember.

It’s this whole thing about having to open EVERY conversation and then open EVERY reply to get a full appreciation of the thread, it’s ridiculous. And you have to do it EVERY time you leave and return to the topic , it’s tedious.

As long as Tony (and Dave, of course) and you keep posting, I’m fuckin logging in. Gritting teeth and getting on with it.

Tony, i go up and down about this site. It’s like all my usual friends moved from a punk house to a gentrified neighborhood. I think the site may get looks from new people, hitting the like buttons, but it is burdening some of those who could really liven up the party, like Eugene and Larry and Rob + others. And I imagine some of our esteemed football gentlemen, like a Macfarland Sr. or McKane just look on with a wistful pass.

Probably not at first but it became more evident as the months went on, some saw it, some refused to see it, but in the end even TFG saw it. If you’re lucky £150 Million probably gets you in the Champions League in Serie A. If you’re really lucky in the Premier League (see Sunderland) that same £150 Million might see you 6th or 7th (unless you’re Moyes then it’s 13th for you) or if you’re unlucky relegated. Thanks for sorting out the debts and arranging us a (fixed @ 7.8% for 30 yrs) mortgage – now take your profits and fuck off.

Tbf Dale , Rob was one of many, many contributors we don’t see nowadays, his wingman Brian Williams is no longer on here and many others, Barry Rathbone, Paul’s nemesis,”I’m in Chicago in a couple of months, let’s meet “ FFS, Paul went and changed his name😂😂 nah, the last year or so has been a big struggle on here but we keep on keeping on for some reason UTFT.

From what I read by MK and Patric, they had no choice , don’t know the reasons for that, but they’ve been trying to get things as back to normal as possible for weeks, it’s been a slow process and they are pissing against the wind it seems, lot’s of regulars are not contributing much ,if anything. First the betting debacle and now the comments issue’s , not been a great 6 months for TW but if things improve people who have a look will drift back, I did after the last big change, once the AI manufactured shit stopped that is.

Uh, what? Or, what did I do to prompt that? Oh, the ‘Big Boy’ thing, maybe. One Steve taunted the other with a big boy tag. And I’m telling you and Tony, spread the word, stop using the reply function. It squeezes the prose into a column of craptacular dimension. Then, those posts earning responses go to the top of the ‘Best’ sort. Stop using Best as well. Either we figure out how to make this work, or we all wear suit and ties to post at Evertonia. Obviously no offence to Lyndon, but it is a bit too formal over there for me. [insert Yank jibe, you know you want to]

I was actually going for poignant Tony. The virtual pub I think was coined by Mike G. Wonderful analogy. Dale… you on Everpornia again?

Funny but also sad at the same time though Brendan. I know which Steve, my money is on, but it’s getting very tedious trying to keep up with conversations on this website. I’m trying to hang in there but it can’t be long before last orders are called in our little virtual pub.

But at least you could still have a conversation with everyone when Rob, decided to leave though Dale. I’ve looked at a couple of other football websites, over the last few years, which have a similar way of communicating, in line with this newer version of Toffeeweb, and my own personal view was that they couldn’t lace this website’s boots. Unfortunately, now I’m not so sure

Actually, it has been in decline since Rob Halligan stopped contributing.

UTFT!!!

Sorry Colin and John but I think you are making some huge assumptions about how attractive we are to most of those with the capacity to buy us and how aligned to the supporters best interests any of them be. I had high hopes for TFG because they were perceptive enough to realise they couldn’t really lose financially with us whilst others dithered but also because they seemed to be long-termers who were bothered about genuine legacy. They may have given us a stable base to move on from but the next owner(s) will be shelling out twice what it has cost TFG with an urgent requirement for squad building and managerial appointing that TFG have apparently balked at.

My money is on Steve Big Boy.

Even a proper kicking off between the two Steve’s is lost on this format. Perhaps that’s a good thing for the Steve who is about to get his ass kicked!

Yes Jeff im afraid Toffeeweb has bit the dust and is a shadow of its former self. Why they had to change the format is anybody’s guess.

Bloody hell, this section usually has about 25 comments after 6 games today.

I think Andy, has been that close to the Manchester City owners, that he would have been able to persuade them to sell up and swap their allegiance to Everton, if these charges hadn’t come through Roddy. Hopefully they’ve got some mates, who might just want to own an EPL club🤞

Introspection Brown, you need a lesson in manners and you are going to get it, you have picked on the wrong person

Well Steve Brown, you are accusing me of something that I don’t believe I have said on here. You can not make a claim like that unless you bring the evidence. Please bring the receipts or you will be declared a low life liar. Come on big boy bring the receipts. BTW it’s not the worst thing some one might say but your aggression needs to be addressed.

I’ve just checked and the revised rules under the independent regulator should provide the ‘protection’ from this sort of flipping that should already exist. Unfortunately TFG bought us under the older, inadequate regulations. Big question is will anyone view us as an asset they want / will cherish, especially now we are offered at ‘full price’? Secondary question, if it turns out we are stuck with TFG will the IFR be able to get them to properly commit to making EFC as competitive as it could be?

well said steve !

Yes james. The reality is the PL is too expensive now. It’s consortiums, groups, investment firms, hedge funds that are probably going to be the ones sniffing now. The days of one wealthy owner coming to spend 800m on efc seem long gone. Maybe if 1 guy could throw his money behind a squad rebuild, but that’s against the rules isn’t it .

So what does ‘fit and proper’ actually mean if it doesn’t require the owner to demonstrate some ‘real commitment?

Whatever money they want to spend elsewhere should make no difference. To be a ‘fit and proper’ owner in English football you should have to show that part of your business empire is effectively ‘ring-fenced’ for the medium to long-term. 2 years is a pathetically short period of time for an ‘Oopsy! We hadn’t really considered how the future would go.’

I think now we are a more stable investment for a new owner, there will hopefully be serious people involved. Where before it was the likes of Textor, 777 and TFG seeing the opportunity to stabilise and sell for a profit. The next owners have to now invest in the team, to grow the investment they will have to make. It’s the only real way now, we have the stadium, financially secure, everything now is structured to throw the money at the recruitment & playing side to increase the revenue via better league positions, European qualification & extended cup runs. These will only be achieved by investment in the squad, recruitment department, managerial & coaching appointments. Clubs changing hands now though are usually bought by state entity’s or American speculators or investment groups, just like TFG who have zero intrest in the on pitch success. It a symptom of the huge success of the PL that it’s unlikely a single owner will come, it will likely be a group of suits !