Why haven’t Rohl and Hackney been given a chance to play in there rightful positions? We won’t win many matches under safe Dave.

Some fans sound even more green, than the players you have mentioned Pete.

It doesn’t matter where anyone watched the game though Mark, because it was still scored in the second half. Loads of people around me were getting back to their seats, a few minutes into the second half and were shocked, when the people they sit by, were telling them we were getting beat, and to have a look at the scoreboard. The reply “don’t be at it” was being replaced with “fuckinhell, I never heard a sound downstairs” so please be lenient with Michael!

Can we just concentrate on getting a good team?

To get some minutes in his legs John🙈 I say it every single week, but I genuinely don’t believe this manager has got a clue how to use his full quota of players. Imagine what Moyes, would do if he had money? is a statement I’ve heard a thousand times over the years. Play his favourites, and leave the rest of them scratching their heads and their arses, on the subs bench.

Whilst I’m disappointed by yesterday (mainly the abject performance, we were always second best) and the loss, I’m still more pissed off with not beating Hull last week. They are the games we have to, and should win.

We are not at all surprised that Moyes is not our savior second time around and he has achieved very little elsewhere. He doesn’t seem to recognize real talent and relies heavily on players who are just not good enough. Okay many will point to the club not having big money available but he had it at Manure and flopped hopelessly. We now have to face the Gunners so what will his answer be to yesterday’s poor showing. The boardroom have to act soon or will they wait until the team has slid further down the table.

How would we ever know whether the team can be more adventurous, or not? Moyes plays every game with the handbrake on. Are you seriously suggesting we can’t go toe to toe with the likes of Ipswich, Hull, Palace and an abysmal Spurs?

Everton will never succeed as long as they have dinosaur Dave in charge. His outdated, dull as dishwater tactics, have changed in his entire managerial career. The really sad part is how Moyes has been able to convince some people he is doing a good job and how grateful we should be for his efforts. To suggest Dibling and Hackney are green as a defence of Moyes selections just shows how far some happy clappers are prepared to go to back their hero.

These players are better than they are showing. Or should I say being allowed to show ? Make up your own mind !

No harm in dreaming Paul — I watched some of their game today and they were everything today that we wasn’t yesterday.

Yes John if it was after Xmas and we were in 5th It be a different story. Performances were my gripe, we might have rode our luck and got a couple of results, but the Performances haven’t been great which is telling when we’ve had a favorable start to the fixtures. 2 wins from the last 14 is better to judge of where the teams at rather than 5th after a few games .

Your wager nearly came off John, you were only a couple of minutes out.

Moyes could have changed after Chelsea’s goal, but up to that time there was nothing between the teams, neither team looked dangerous. The fact is we can’t play joined up football when we get to the oppositions quarter of the field. We are very good at passing it side ways and backwards in our own half but as far as anything creative where it matters is concerned, forget it.

Pete amb – if Everton had twenty bad managers since Moshiri came in it wouldn’t make Moyes a good one. He’s Everton through and through, ‘til another club comes along and offers him a new contract. I’d say Moyes is using the same tactics now that he has used since he started at PNE all those years ago and if he had any good days they well gone now. You might be correct saying he only has 17 senior players — quite a lot of fans are asking “ Well why doesn’t he rotate them and give them all a fair go”

Brighton are everything I wish we were. Good attacking football and a excellent young manager. And a property run club. I can only dream

I agree Simon, Hato was away and running and Maitland-Niles had to chase from a standing start if you watch it again, by the time he got near Hato and tackled him it would have been a penalty. He’s a makeshift full back, midfield is his best position.

Moyes is not the worst manager, but he is so frustrating. He is unable to get past the glass ceiling he has set himself. Yes, he has been dealt a terrible hand by TFG in failing to get decent (not great) players for the positions that were crying out for reinforcements. But, if he can’t utilise the squad effectively in the position where we have plenty of options – the midfield – what guarantee that he will do that when he has a full complement of players in all the positions? I wish that he would try something different for the next game – a 3-4-3 perhaps? Or dropping Barry for Alcaraz?

Miracles? We’d settle for good. Fans who want success are not the problem; that is 2 wins in our last 14 league games. Relegation form. As a season ticket holder, I pay my money same as you. As a minimum, I want to be entertained by a team that sets out to win its home games. The quality of football served up since we moved to the new stadium has been utter crap, so stop insulting our intelligence by making out we should be grateful.

It seems I am not alone in thinking getting back at Jorrel Hato once he has a head start is a big ask. AI believes that ‘Jorrel Hato is exceptionally quick, especially for a defender – his speed manifests in several distinct ways on the pitch: • Acceleration: One of Hato’s greatest strengths is his short-burst acceleration. • High Top Speeds: During his debut season with Chelsea F.C., he famously clocked the highest top speed of any Chelsea player in the Champions League at 31.8 km/h. His pace has only continued to scale at the Premier League level. • Elite Recovery Pace: His speed makes him a highly effective “anti-transition” defender. Even if caught high up the pitch while building an attack, his explosive recovery pace allows him to track back. • Dynamic Ball Carrying: Hato doesn’t just run fast off the ball; he is incredibly quick when driving forward. He uses his pace and strength to carry the ball out of defense, effectively breaking defensive lines with sheer power and speed.’

The manager could stop with his square peg obsession (Rhol right mid which was cowardly) and play the players he has in their correct positions. Imagine being a winger at this club and the donkey of a manager is shitting his kex and playing Rhol there. What’s George done to get dropped? Hackney is latest bench warmer. Dibling was showing good signs. Moyes has the players (albeit, not many). He’s too much of a shit house to play them.

Like I said MK, I wasn’t defending AMN overall – and he was a viable option for subbing with Merlin Rohl able to drop back (the substitution may even have been the planned option) – but for anyone to claim he should have easily got back at Hato (who was Rohl’s responsibility) is looking at what happened yesterday with the Hull game in mind and, in my opinion, adding 2 and 2 and getting 5. Confirmation bias abounds and I doubt whoever is writing for the Echo is immune to it. I believe an objective view of that move yesterday concludes Maitland-Niles was let down by his teammate and given no hope against Hato, who I think is quick and poised on the ball.

Was going to post but realised half way through writing it was a waste of time. Most people posting don’t like Moyes, I suspect even if Everton won the next 10 games they would find something to complain about. They seem to forget how many managers we have had since moshiri came in and how bad the team became. Moyes rescued the club, he got the team playing, he knows what is needed and he is Everton through and through. If I was Moyes I would be very tempted to turn around and say’ sod you all’ and walk away but he won’t because he wants Everton to succeed. Sadly the people posting here seem to want miracles. They should look at all the clubs were fans have demanded change of manager and were those clubs ended up. Few have got better, most have got worse. Everton will never succeed when supporters like some on here get their way. They don’t understand how difficult it is to field a successful team with only 17 senior players and some like dibling,Hackney etc that are still green. Sad.

AMN was subbed against Hull too, wasn’t he? Not a good look is it; ballsing-up and getting replaced on consecutive weekends because you’re such a risk?!

I was starting to enjoy leaving the stadium having gained at least a point. I know it had only been 4 games (including Wolves in the cup) but after becoming desensitised by home losses last season, it was quite nice heading back into town for a pint and a relatively upbeat chat with other blues. Yesterday’s post-match walk felt about three times longer than it has done recently and if I had a pound for every time I heard someone distantly muttering “fucking shite” or similar then I’d be a rich man.

Si, I wouldn’t normally cite the Echo as a fount of any knowledge but they do say: “Maitland-Niles was also at fault for Chelsea’s opener here. Morgan Rogers released Jorrel Hato before he beat Maitland-Niles far too easily. Once beaten, the 29-year-old never looked like recovering and Hato’s pull back was finished by Pedro Neto. “It was the sort of defending that Maitland-Niles won’t want to see again, and neither will his boss David Moyes who responded by hooking the full-back for Tyrique George. The ball had literally just hit the back of the net and the former Chelsea winger was told to get ready to come on.” So perhaps no greater authority on the game than David Moyes thought AMN had a bit of a woopsy there!

Imaginary season tickets Hopalong? Youv`e got a cob on because you lost an Ayrton Senna

Everton are a crock on and off the pitch. Moyes has 18 outfield shit players. Come January and a few injuries we are in deep shit. They will all be needing a rest. TFG will not spend. Moyes is a crock one dimensional manager. Too set in his ways. Even if was given a crock of gold he’d still waste it on over 30s duds.

Rohl is not a winger and he is not a fullback either. He is an attacking midfielder and should only be played there. If he plays RB next week he will be exposed. IMO Hackney and Dibling have shown this season that they are better than the players Moyes is picking before them.

How do you know what 51,000 people in the ground thought. You give your imaginary season tickets away every week….All of them.

James I think Moyes is responsible for selecting the team and using the substitutes and the tactics — I think it is fair to say that he is not doing those three things very well.

Motes is clueless, playing players out of position yet again, Rohl is not a winger, and then putting him at fullback, and his substitutions yet again we’re totally wrong, what has Hackney, Alcaraz and Dibling to do, to get a game. We needed pace and he brings on an unfit Norgaard and Johnson has been shite,

“Ainsley Maitland-Niles, who was again exposed defensively for Chelsea’s opener.” Sorry, whilst there is a lot that I would agree with in the OP, I can’t take an article seriously when this sort of superficial analysis appears in it. It was Merlin Rohl who failed to adequately cover his man and left Maitland-Niles with a futile chase after the guy who had overlapped the attacker he had just effectively stymied. I’m not out and out defending the ability of Maitland-Niles but to blame him for not being super-human leaves me wondering about what else that is presented is just about desiring a whipping-boy. Just because he made two poor errors against Hull doesn’t mean he should carry the can for all goals that originate from his flank.

Whatever rumours continue to circulate about potential changes in ownership, things are going to remain as they are for the foreseeable future. The Friedkins have clearly decided to cut their losses, Amanda Staveley’s involvement is likely to be no more than a pipe dream and Eddie Howe will find another managerial position elsewhere . As long as Moyes can keep the Club away from the relegation zone without haemorrhaging his best players he will survive, and the long-suffering fans will be put through the emotional wringer yet again. Cest la vie!

When was the last time an Everton side passed the ball around with any zip or pace? Everything is two touches and it’s amazing how few of our players use their weaker foot even for a simple pass. Since when have we decided to withdraw into our own half as we did for the first 30 minutes yesterday? We were the home team; it looked like we had settled for a point before we had even kicked off. Speaking of kicking off, what’s with this hoof into the arms of the opposing keeper? It looks like a ‘garryowen ‘ in rugby. I miss the intimidation of Goodison, the roar and passion of the Gwladys Street ; how they would have roared approval of Armstrong’s tackle yesterday. Yes, this is a negative post but sadly it reflects what we witnessed yesterday. It has to get better than this.

Being unbeaten was flattering. We were very average and pretty lucky in all those games prior to Chelsea. We’re a mid table side at best, and that isn’t going to change under Moyes or this owner. I have some sympathy for Moyes, in that his brief was to steady the ship for a couple of years. That feels like it’s happened, but the squad is shite and that isn’t his fault. Supporters obviously want more, but stability is key after our recent history. What is his fault is bringing on an unfit Norgaard and ignoring the creativity of Hackney when you’re 1-0 down. Utter madness.

The sooner we are taken over the better.Moyes doesn’t know whether he is coming or going, literally. Norgaard is indicative of where our spending power is right now. We are trying to win a football match without a proper centre forward. The next sale of the club by the Friedkins will be such a significant turning point for the club. It will mark years of progress or send us into the football wilderness. If we get another TFG then we will wallow in the mediocrity of mid table treading water for years to come. We have to pray we get very lucky

We all know Davey boy will park the bus next week and to himself he will say thats another one out the way . Then he will come back with 3 or 4 points against Newcastle and Coventry and he will be back in the comfort zone. That is the simple fact. Davey moyes has to much scar tissue against these so called top 6 and he just can’t change. The problem is it looks like we have no one who can make a decision to change manager.

We wont. We are playing Arsenal away

John i’ve never been a lover of Moyes but i said to the lads after the game that Norgard decision was probaly the end of Moyes clueless and inept if he thought Norgard was going to get us level in the game . I now believe its time to say goodbye to Moyes and maybe bring someone in with fresh ideas. i think thats the WORST SUB i’ve ever seen in my life time sad .

Will the posters who post “we are unbeaten in x amount of games sitting in 5th,its obvious Moyes is doing something right” let us know their thoughts on what he doing right when we drop to bottom half position next week?

99% don`t need to learn anything from yesterdays game. They already knew. Until we get a new manager don`t expect any change in tactics

The same click bait as Elon Musk buying the club. At least it distracts us from the shite on the pitch and the wave the white flag manager.

It might temporarily brighten the mood, even if it is far-fetched!

Didn’t really learn anything apart from until Moyes is sacked this is not going to get any better.

I saw (and avoided) some cllickbait yesterday saying Amanda Staveley will bring in Eddie Howe from Day One… or some such nonsense. Do I really have to make a feature story out of that?

Time to get this negative shit house gone and bring in Eddie Howe.

What I learned is that drowning your sorrows after yesterday’s abject shower of shit comes back to bite you the next morning. Oh, and that Nørgaard should never play for us again.

Tory MP`s pay good money for that Bob

I’m not one of the super-vocal ‘Moyes Out’ brigade but, really, what on God’s earth was he thinking bringing Nørgaard and Johnson on?! The game was crying out for energy and some attacking intent and any man and his dog could’ve told you that Hackney and Dibling would’ve been far more suitable. One of THE most baffling decisions I’ve ever seen from Moyes (and there’s a long list). Johnson hadn’t shown anything up until yesterday’s game and who the hell hands a recently injured player their debut when you could see clear as day from the West Stand that the lad was still fooked? He looked like a schoolboy. Brainless, barmpot decisions from Moyes that made a bad day much, much worse and which blackened the mood of Evertonians up and down the country. At least there’s always next weeke….. oh shit, it’s Arsenal!