Having spent billions on a squad, maybe we should play a better style.

Ndiaye going down like he’d been hit with a cricket bat, just too much of it these days.

John I’ve always backed the lad, it does my head in the way some pile in on him, he never gets injured he’s scoring goals and his all round play is improving, he is proving a few people wrong, 10 goals in 13 , im delighted for him

Forest 2-0 ahead at home – first league goals they have scored at home all season.

100% correct David, it will take patience from the fans but we have had decades of just getting by.

Given the financial restrictions it’s the only way we can compete. Build a young team that will grow together, not all kids that won’t work, we need a nucleus of good kids with the experienced pros to guide them.

Imo the side that played last night would finish higher than last seasons 13th.

I owe you an apology David.

I used the C word in a reply to you last week.

Unfortunately it is part of my vocabulary, use it now and again.

Honestly no offence intended.

Get a glimpse of that goal Micheal misty conditions but it’s a whopper of a shot a yard or so inside the penalty area and we must have been chasing victory because the young lad is that far up the field.

"But he and Armstrong could be th ebest 2 young central midfield players in the country."

Hackney is a 24-year old career minor-leaguer, finally getting a shot in the top league. Armstrong, a teenager getting First-11 playing time in a top league. Completely different career projections at this point.

I’m all for your prediction coming true. I’d think Harrison’s upside is already quite a bit further on than Hackney’s; including projection for making the England team.

How long have you been a premier league manager?

Shithouse tackle Christy.

Definite red for me

Yay, keep it going, I’m sure it isn’t an easy negotiation.

The replies being hidden seems to undermine what I would think is desired, seeing some interesting posts that could get more responses. Again, the structure probably makes sense for other author-audience relations. Here though, both the crowd and the topic operate better with it all on top.

Arena looks like it is built for, I am guessing, authors who wish to keep comments directly on topic without distractions and to reward resident regulars who help with informal moderation. TW is in a different quadrant of the blogosphere, or whatever it is called now (Enshittificationville?).

Some of these requests could maybe get resolved by posters just adopting conventions. Not using the reply or the arrow post rating functions are two which I suggest.

I dont think many would have argued if alcaraz had come on for george at 1 nil, or in at the 10, and drop Dewesbury Hall back. The little bit of patience paid off for Moyes.

The lad might feel a bit hard done by, but will be needed in a busy December.

You don’t need the greatest touch or technical abilities to score alot of goals .

The ability to be in the right place at the right time can be just as good, and workrate is an ability that will get you as far as technical abilities.

The cheer Barry Kane got for chasing down and challenging for a ball when 3-1 up with a couple of minutes to go was nearly as loud as his goals.

Think it’s finally clicking what fans want from him.

He might still get if he’s stays fit and there are injuries to 1 or 2 in his position.

Better than Foden and Palmer? I swop him for either of them without a moments thought, mind you he’s having a good go to get an England cap and they play so many meaningless internationals these days he might just make it, Leslie Compton, brother of Dennis, was picked for his only cap at the age of 37! And if Burn of Newcastle was selected by Tuchel there is a chance of a recall to the squad for Michael Keane— don’t bet on it though!

Yes I’d rather Watch rohl, Dibbling & George make mistakes and learn, improve & develop than have Johnson, AMN or grealish going through the motions .

If we can be patient with them, which I think the crowd are, encouraging them and not getting too angry with mistakes, they should grow together in the team.

When you have a few youngsters coming through together it can build a strong connection long term.

592 games managing Everton ,David.

Last night was the first time in 592 games he has selected 3 players under the age of 21 to start the game.

Watched the Leeds game earlier, couldn’t understand how Bogle didn’t get a red for catching Tel on his achilles, VAR looked at it for four minutes, and unbelievably Brooks didn’t even give a yellow, Tel went off injured.

no comment ?

Replying to Steve Brown 28 minutes ago .

Yes it surprised me that the winger who played in every game of the league cup that year never played in the final or the replay, if my memory is correct it was Alan Irvine.

Better than Palmer and Foden, but behind Bellingham and Rogers. Lots of completion for his position.

Will get a game when others can’t be arsed and drop out.

Barry may miss a few but he’s currently lying second to Haarland in the goal scoring department. Hardly a "galoot"!

Trevor Steven is a good comparison, Tony.

After moving from Burnley as a 19-year-old, he initially looked overawed by the pressure of playing for Everton. His form dipped early in the 1983–84 season, and he was dropped for a few months over winter that season.

You have to keep faith with players like that game style.

Did he even watch the game?

““I wasn’t quite so sure about a good performance,” he said. “We got a performance, and we got a result, but I have to say Coventry made it really difficult for us.”

Who said that Pete? I’ll give you a clue, he has grey hair and you have a crush on him.

No Pete, it shows that many of us are not interested in the back and forth when all we get is this rah-rah stuff. Give us something analytical or some takes on match moments.

And that weak ‘club’s in trouble but it isn’t because of Moyes’ you offered after the Arse capitulation is not forgotten. That was hardly enough to justify what you are serving up here.

I also thought Rhol had a very good game, surprised when he was taken off I thought it would have been better if he stayed on in front of O’Brien with Dibling tiring at that point. As for Alcaraz — another four minutes — unless he brought him on to gain the winning bonus money I didn’t see the point of that substitution – far better to give those meagre minutes to young Braiden Graham if only to boost his confidence.

Agreed. I seem to remember that a young Man Utd side made several errors whilst growing into the team. Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand, Solskjaer, the Nevilles and Nicky Butt…

Agree what you are saying about Johnson, but time you remembered that the ‘resident dinosaur’ has put us in 5th place in the Premier table and the quarter finals of the Caribou cup. Give the guy credit where credit is due….

Oh just read your last post again— I spelt Nsangou wrong!

No I didn’t know Michael — are you sure Nsangou scored the winner because he wasn’t in the starting line up or on the subs bench and in OP you’ve got Francis Boggan down as scoring the winning goal.

You wouldn’t be winding a poor old pensioner up would you Michael.

Toman supporters want moyes gone when he doesn’t get it right everygame but if you weigh it up he doing quite well since he came back and I cant think of a better manager to lead us forward.As for Barry he’s getting goals he could have more but upfront on his own i think he’s doing a cracking job he ain’t a big lad but he’s having a go and that’s all you can ask for.

Are you watching, Balogun?

Silver pots Phil.

Thats the difference.

They’ve taken the lead near the end, Dave.

And his name is Nsangou, as I’m sure you know! 😜

Great win when we didn’t play well, is definitely a good sign. As others have said, in the last few games Moyes has taken the shackles off, and even his substitutions have improved. The break has come at a good time. Delighted for Barry, getting stronger in every game.

It’s now 2-2 — they were 2-1 down at half time but Pita has equalised with an assist off Billington— Pita is another young player who is well rated by those who see him Ray!

As I said to our kid, Lampard is used to being a manager at Everton’s ground and losing.

Moyes now level with the Cat for games as manager. Given 2 Titles and 1 Cup it is surprising that he is only 28 games less in terms of wins. And he is now only 10 wins behind Howey, albeit with 50 more games so far. Amazing for a guy who does not know what he is doing and named Manager of the Year 3 times. Just shows that the League Manager Association are equally clueless compared to the people on TofffeeWeb.

Thought Myko was excellent yesterday and KDH even better. Thierno is now starting to settle and showing his passion with a block tackle near their corner flag in the 93rd minute when we were 3-1 up. That is Everton, never stop. Frustrated that George seemed to give the ball away too much and just felt Dibling protected it more but perhaps not as brave in taking men on. Harrison needs to practice his shooting as he has chances and seems to be shy of making an mess of it.

No not really Ray— I used to go to Goodison to watch the Academy teams quite a lot until about 18 months ago but watch snips of them now although seeing Braiden Graham quite a lot you will,know yourself he has great potential along with the young winger Nsangou and Olayiwola both from this years FA youth cup team.

If you can get Grandoldteam through Toffeeweb you will learn more from the posters on there, who are very good, quite a lot of information about our young players— the latest to take the eye are Francis Boggan a 16 year old full back / centre back and I rate Finney another right back. The beauty of seeing these young lads come through and make the grade is brilliant to see and hopefully since the Academy was completely changed things might have become a lot better than they were over the last few years but since the new owners look like leaving us I’m not sure we’re that leaves the Academy and it’s future.

Who’s the likely lads in the under 18s Dave, you know more than the majority of us.

I think your a bit mean with your 5 for Rohl Patrick other than that I agree. On Tarks hair pull, he and we got lucky I think although some of the hair styles now it’s not difficult to get your fingers tangled up in them. Don’t allow them to play unless they have their hair up is the obvious answer but it will probably never happen. I like George a lot, he does lose the ball plenty but likes to take players on which we need, he’s going to be worth a lot more than we paid for him.

Spot on Brian.

Armstrong reminds me of a young Declan Rice.

For those who say don’t play him because he doesn’t score.

Declan scored his first goal for West Ham after 60 games.

He has to be nurtured of course while given maximum game time.

We have a diamond of a young player there.

It’s 1-1 now.— Phillips is a new name on the sheet- Bowen Phillips is more than likely on loan from Arsenal who signed / stole him from WHU two years ago but hasn’t been a regular with them, most probably on trial with us.

I stole/ borrowed this story from another website because I thought you might be interested Michael!

I hope you’re right, Andrew, and it’s the younger players who are making the difference, employing forward thinking.

Them on the telly wanted to give Moyes credit for what he said to them at half-time because Everton obviously won it in the second half… but that completely ignores the dreadful start to the second half which was just a continuation of what had been going on for most of the first half — the only difference being Coventry scored the goal they had strongly threatened, and with the normal VAR we get, we would have gone in a couple of goals down.

The players suddenly got it right. It’s unclear to me what really changed, other than the players obviously getting in a good cross that was powerfully converted. The players had not been doing anything like that previously.

Made up with us winning but where is Sangou — has he been promoted to the U21’s permanently or is he injured?

I think your summing up of the game is spot on Patrick, the score didn’t reflect the game especially as you say the first 50mins.

Coventry don’t look a relegation side going forward but they are conceding plenty goals that seems to be their trouble.

None of our players shone too brightly, but Dewsbury-Hall had his usual all action game and Barry keeps on finding the net, he puts in a stint every game now. He’s never going to be a nimble ball player, he’s the wrong build for that, up in the air is his strength.

Very grateful for yet another win but we are still not clicking in the midfield in spite of D-H playing well, I would prefer to see Hackney start or come on earlier in place of Armstrong. Whether our defence would suffer more then remains to be seen, we keep getting results that’s the important thing.

While Rohl does put a shift in no matter where he plays Armstrong and Hackney are better midfield players and if we keep hold of both we will have 2 very special players. Both will play for England and at the moment Hackney has KDH and Armstrong to compete with so not easy for him. But he and Armstrong could be th ebest 2 young central midfield players in the country. I just hope Moyes can give Hackney more minutes than he is getting at present.

All individual opinions Colin,i strongly believe Armstrong will develop into a top class player.

Love the contribution Merlin is making,he has the Deutsche mentality coursing through him.

Agree 100% Mark S.

The chances he misses shows he knows where to put himself in the box.

His scoring percentage will go up as he gains more experience.

It’s time for Rohl to be given a chance in midfield in place of Armstrong. Nothing against Armstrong but in my opinion Rohl has better passing ability [ forward passing ] and is way faster.

Looking forward to the Glory Days returning Tony.

You .as an ex player,can see the potential,i think there is definitely a very good player there..

He used his strength on a couple of occasions last night,shrugged a player off who was shirt pulling,ref gave the foul against him, he looks a strong kid to me.

The stupid,public ,comments about him " growing a pair" will not have helped his confidence.

If he ends up with 75% of Trevor`s ability that will do me.

Funnily enough Tony,the first time Trevor came to my attention was when he ran the game at anfield playing centrally. 18 years old if i remember correctly.

I remember thinking to myself " who the fuck is this kid"

Made up when we signed him.

I agree on the improvements when he played wide right.Glide is a good choice of words to describe him.

John he is finding the right places in the box thats an art.

I remember Carlo showing DCL how to get goals in the box he got 17 that season Barry knows he’s a star and now where getting more crosses in to the box he is just licking his lips .