I’ll take the Martinez who got 72 points one season. A total Moyes has not achieved in all his years in the Prem

I don’t get this. You’re basically blaming Moyes for … what exactly??? We have the smallest squad. No players. We’ve spent most of the years without Moyes desperately avoiding relegation. And you idiots see us sitting FIFTH!!! – and are asking Moyes to step up!!!!!??? Sort yourselves out!!!! Learn from your idiotic mistakes. Do we want another emperors new clothes Martinez??? Or the desperation of Big Sam / Benetiz or Lampard??? FFS

… only common denominator on this site should be the betterment of Everton FC. Anything else is just the manipulation of our fanbase for gain. Choose your side carefully…

I posted this as a response to Michael Kenrick but, as I know some of you have an issue accessing comments that link to someone else’s comment, thought I would reproduce it here: “ MK, The trouble with gambling is that the only people who suffer – but ironically gamble because they’re the only people for whom gambling could potentially change their lives – is the poor. The working class. Those that are struggling. For the middle class and above, it’s a bit of fun. For those with nothing, it’s a route to something better or, sadly, more likely, something worse. Personally, I despise gambling. If you can’t influence the outcome then it’s sheer luck. I try to ignore the adverts on this site but the sooner gambling ads are banned pre-watershed on TV, and completely outlawed on a site that’s meant to bring together fans of a particular football team, not try to make them spend money unnecessarily, the better. I realise it’s difficult for you, given your obligations to TW, but the…

MK, The trouble with gambling is that the only people who suffer – but ironically gamble because they’re the only people for whom gambling could potentially change their lives – is the poor. The working class. Those that are struggling. For the middle class and above, it’s a bit of fun. For those with nothing, it’s a route to something better or, sadly, more likely, something worse. Personally, I despise gambling. If you can’t influence the outcome then it’s sheer luck. I try to ignore the adverts on this site but the sooner gambling ads are banned pre-watershed on TV, and completely outlawed on a site that’s meant to bring together fans of a particular football team, not try to make them spend money unnecessarily, the better. I realise it’s difficult for you, given your obligations to TW, but the only common denominator on this site should be the betterment of Everton FC. Anything else is just the manipulation of our fanbase for gain. Choose your side carefully…

That’s a good queston, Brian. He didn’t play om the last foru U18s games last season, but in the main he had moved up to the U21s at that popint, so it might not mean anything. But no sign of him so far this season in the Academy teams.

I hope you are right Mike but i dont expect it

What has happened to Shea Pita he was a star player in the academy last year.

I don’t think anyone is *making* him gamble, are they, Ged? Anyway, I thought it was a traditional working class pastime. Pretty harmless if you have sufficient self-control. Yes, a few get sucked in beyond their means… but it’s only a very samll percentage, apparently. Gambling can be addictive. Please play responsibly. Gambling is strictly prohibited for individuals under the age of 18. Need help? Visit GambleAware.org or call 0808 8020 133 (available 24/7). You can self-exclude from all UK-licensed gambling websites via GAMSTOP.

Make my son gamble as your owners do internationally, is disgusting. Disgrace for TW who I love Fight

‘Rubbish’ from the poster who crucified Seamus Coleman. There is nothing that is ‘rubbish’ about Christy’s suggestions that are perfectly reasonable. That said, I hesitate now to take anything seriously that Seamus Steers writes. Anything that he calls ‘rubbish’ is more than likely to be otherwise.

I expect George to start.

Dale . There’s options. The manager admitted there was several not up to their required levels last week. Do you change then? Do you give rohl & Hackney a chance or do you except the underperforming players again? What signal does that send to those underperforming ? You don’t need to play well to stay in the team, and likewise to those wanting a start, Dibbling & George must be fuming, because Johnson hasn’t contributed much as a threat. Johnson, Keane, & Armstrong I’d change for myko(if fit,) Hackney & George.

They probably had thier half billion profit in mind when they made that gesture Mike. Thats roughly the profit if its true they value the club at 1 billion

There is no single problem. We need players back. Mykolenko is our only left back, and he needs to be back there, rather than nikel & diming the midfield by moving garner out at left back. We need maitland niles to concentrate. Those individual mistakes were truly appalling. We need Armstrong to step up or step down. I am a big fan of his technical ability and work rate. But his quality hasnt been where it needs to be when on the ball. We need barry to take his chances. I didnt think he was as bad as some made out, and Arsenal away dint help his cause either. But he can finish, and in the absence of a botched window, is our sole hope. Johnson needs to be on the bench. He might be an impact sub, getting on the end of stuff, but you cant be carrying him 60, 70, 80 minutes. For god sake get Branthwaite at centre back. Keane didnt do anything wrong, but clearly Branthwaite is reluctant to sprint and overlap, with the situation looking like hamstring tear waiting to happen.

Did you really write that rubbish christy are you feeling ok. Unless you have inside info then Tarky is the 2nd name on the team sheet after JORDAN . O brien is sitting on the bench because he has told moyes he is not wanting to play right back anymore from the start of the game so do you believe Tarky needs to be dropped WOW you dont know Moyes very well christy. As for Johnson he is starting to get close to scoring a few and i would probaly save him for later in the game . but George he has a future but im not convinced he has the game management yet to start games but we are all entitled to our opinions but in the end you and me know Moyes hates changes .

Amazed that this integrity-free poster is still spreading this lie around, altering it as he goes. His months-long mantra that TFG took that huge dividend out of the club (and thus damaged our transfer budget) is absolute trash and he knows it, even as he changes the amount from £45m to £40m to £35 in a pathetic attempt to salvage some credibility. TFG took nothing. Zero. As proven in their most recent financial statement and confirmed by Paul the Esk in his August 1 report on it, all the payouts from the dividend declared last December were to the tiny shareholders like me (my one share generated £22). Neither TFG nor their Everton-owning subsidiary Roundhouse Capital or the Friedkins themselves accepted a penny in dividends.

Mark you don’t trust George or Dibling, but you’d save Johnson with his pace, for later in the game to get us a goal? Have you not be watching his performances this season, and if Myko is not fit, you’d keep our best and quickest centreback at leftback, against Chelsea’s pace upfront?

There will be no positivity in his pre match, it will all be about how we will find it tough, how they have more quality, how our wingers will need to track back. How our players are not as good as theirs. Instead of giving them a licence to go for it. No ones expecting us to win, tell them that, tell them you know they can make chances, score goals, compete with these. Lower expectations, so any tiny positive can be claimed as a victory, we know how it goes !

no chance chance John

Not enough urgency in our play that’s all that’s wrong, As soon as they step it up another gear we look dangerous

I still haven’t seen anything from MN to justify a guaranteed starting place

I agree Steve. He starting to look a player mate imo

David and John, he is telling us Hackney will not be playing as much as we would like to see. And oh yeah, fuck off Roma, HA!

He talks some shit mate. Perpetual lowering of expectations. If he did somehow win the game, he’s set himself up as David to Chelsea’s Goliath

A cap is More likely to come from uefa, with the PL having much more money than other leagues. The PL don’t want it, they want to spend bigger than the other leagues, the other leagues want to sell their players to the PL at inflated prices, will they want it?

The moyes line in his post match about “we won’t get many chances” “We might get 1 or 2 chances a game” “We have to take them” He’s setting his team up that way. He’s telling them that we might only make 1 or 2 chances ? These players can make chances, made loads against hull, yes Barry fluffed a few, but build your players up, give them the confidence to play, let them go and win games, not be too scared to lose !!!

Ian, think the games you point to, and games like that are going to be the difference between finishing in European places or not. Brighton go 2-0 against arsenal don’t sit back, get the 3rd. Brentford go 2-0 up against Chelsea, don’t sit back get the 3rd. We go 2-1 up against newly promoted HULL and shit it, sit back and throw 2 points away. It’s a mentality, from the manager .

Be very happy if both Brentford & ourselves are still unbeaten after this weekend

A Labour party member? Bah,piffle. They should appoint one of the Reform councillors in the videos from last nights news programmes.

Who beat Brentford this season Steve?

On paper we have had a solid start to the season but, in reality, it’s not been that good. Two wins, one, against a struggling Palace side and the other over a newly promoted side reduced to 10 men. Four draws of which one came against a poor United team, one against an even worse Spurs team, a very late equaliser against a Bournemouth side still without a win and one against another newly promoted team. Hardly makes inspiring reading does it? Yet some fans are trying to convince us that Moyes is doing some kind of wonderful job! I will be very pleasantly surprised if we win either of our next 2 games, especially given the propensity of Moyes to shit the bed against any of the so called top 6. We struggled past Wolves in the previous round of the league cup and have Newcastle in the next round. A game I believe we can and should win. But how will Moyes approach the bar codes game? Will he actually go for the win, or revert to his usual, safety first, tactics?

Steve keep leaning till you fall over mate. Because i will fall over in amazement if Moyes starts Dibbling . Davey is not mad steve.

George always makes an impression, he and Tyler both need more game time.

Try Juggernaut, Leviathan and the use of Gargantuan as an adjective.

And don’t forget there was a serious attempt to make sure the Shite6 never failed to be part of the “Champions” League by adding in consideration for past seasons, thus is ManU have a series of catastrophic seasons, they’re still guarnateed the £200+ million from the TV etc rights. When Newcastle, with their billions, and Villa, with their several superb seasons against all the odds are forced to sell their best players while also rans like the Redshite and Manu continue to spend limitlessly, you know you are looking an a very uneven playing field.

Brentford unbeaten too?

5th without really playing that well, with players not showing their best either. Now some will say wow moyes doing great, but I think we could still be doing so much better with these players. Forget expected points hull, spurs & Bournemouth were all winnable on the day, got to start going for the wins !!

George against his old team, point to prove, I’d put grealish on the right and tell him to stop messing round get the ball in the box or find a pass quicker . I’ve thought we look better every time George is on the pitch

To Philip Sheehan 24 hours ago — I’m sure it was a Tuesday night — I was there and if I’m not mistaken Brian Labone didn’t play but came on the field at the end of the game, I also think that although we won we already had the title sewn up well before this game, Alan Whittle scored quite a few goals when he was selected that season and looked like our next big hope before he was hurried off to Crystal Palace after a bad night in Nottingham. A very young lad when he got in the team— good job “ You know who” wasn’t the manager at the time or he would never have been played by him!

John i believe there’s more chance of the Bank of England leaving the Doors open . But to be honest i don’t trust George or Dibbling at the moment 20 mins is about enough for them two . I think Moyes might play Rhol on the right and save Johnson for later in the game maybe even up top with his pace he can defo get us a goal Johnson not many can john . The rest of the team is set in stone we all know Moyes . If Myko is back then Jared will be back in centre half if not he will play Left back .

I hope so JC. I’m leaning towards Dibbling at the moment.

Only two teams remain undefeated in the top four divisions. Man City and ourselves. In top 5. Without ANM’s cock up we would be even higher – 3rd !!! Moyes was not happy with the players levels. I noticed that Hull’s pressing was sharper than ours, plus they were stronger in the ground duels in key moments. On the positive side, we were keeping the ball better rather than hoofing it away. That will suit the likes of Dibbling. These patterns of play will grow and embed over time. We are playing very differently than last season on that evidence. As someone shared twice the number of shots and on target as last season. So it is not the same old Moyes as the article and some on here would like to preach. A difficult next couple of games, hope Myko back for Saturday. We are in a better shape than the article states.

I think there is no doubt he was expecting money to be made available in the last window and that clearly didn’t happen. So as he always does he deals with the situation and so far remain unbeaten. But he will always lean towards not conceding rather than rattling in a bag full of goals. I think many including myself want to see a more attacking approach, we always seem to pay the opposition far to much respect and never seem to start games aggressively enough, we tend to sit back and see how the game unfolds. This is certainly a worrying time for Evertonians we have owners who want out and we have a manager who is out of contract in June. I have no idea what would happen if Moyes walked in the next few weeks with his future uncertain and with our owners wanting out hardly makes us enticing for a new manager.

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Not at all Dave,i agree. I`m not holding my breath waiting for a change in Moyes tactics though. He hasn`t Dave,its not his game ,the one he is currently asked to play.His previous clubs played him as an out and out winger,not a track back wide midfielder.

Thanks Steve and Stu Gre that’s the way I was going to answer pete amb.

And unfortunately up to now he is not showing those defensive skills — not sure if he was noted for his defensive skills at his previous three clubs— am I old fashioned to think that the best form of defence is to attack?

Anyone think George or Dibling will start on Saturday? Not a chance. One of the only managers i can think of who selects a wide right attacker for his defensive skills.

Rotation is for stirring in extra salt for your porridge