I’ve always been a Moyes supporter but have finally accepted the fact that he has run his course as a manager and should go. While acknowledging the limitations imposed on him by the Club’s owners particularly their disinterest and lack of investment in the playing squad, he no longer possesses the enthusiasm and willingness to take risks that he had at the start of his career in management. Instead he has resorted to shuffling the same group of players about while unwilling to ring the changes with younger players who are desperate to get on the field, but are seldom given the opportunities to do so. As things stand, those youngsters with potential and current squad members like O’Brien, Alcaraz, KDH, Dibling, Armstrong, Branthwaite, George and even Pickford will decide to move on to Clubs with ambition. Sadly, loyalty to the shirt has its limitations when the future looks bleak and matters are beginning to head in that direction unless things change soon.

In my opinion, the quality of the players is not our problem. It seems we lack coordination, which means we also lack confidence in our play. This is happening because we don’t have enough players, forcing many of them to play in unfamiliar positions. If we had two players for every position, the starting eleven could develop much better chemistry, and we could more easily compensate for suspensions, illnesses, or injuries.

I would try a 4 4 2 formation. You need a world class striker to play 1 up on his own. I think another up front would split defenders and give barry more scope. We have a strong midfield on paper and with 4 across the middle, if they did thier jobs, would help the defensive with a more solid structure and help support the attacking 2..id give it 5 games at least. 2 crap strikers should make 1 good one. Get back to dogs of war mentality with a fearsome midfield.

If we had a go and went for wins, we would still finish no worse than 13th but would be entertained rather than being bored by playing frightened football.

I was more astonished at the 141 Losses ,no wonder he has given up trying.

You’re right new owners must have PL security first and the price they pay will depend on how PL competitive we are. TFG going about things the way they have is football business amateur league.

“Everton have won just two Premier League games in 15. Whatever the tactical plan is, it’s either not good enough or the players aren’t executing it well. Either way, it’s a problem.” Or maybe there just isn’t enough good players in the squad

We learned that Arsenal’s depth blew us away and we can’t compete with them although I thought it was an improvement on last week, this result wasn’t a surprise it was anticipated so why complain?

How many of them wins were home wins?

You are on a run Brian. Another bang on the money post from you.

Not sure we learned anything that we didnt already know, the owners want out and for potential new owners they will be asking what sort of club would they be buying. Yes a fantastic stadium and probably th ebest fan base given what they have had to put up with for the last 30 odd years. But would you invest between £800m and a billion on a club that could possibly get relegated. Also wouldn’t it be more prudent to wait to see how the season pans out before investing. Indeed if anyone did invest in the coming weeks how much would they need to spend in Jan ontop of what they paid for the club. Sadly I dont think we will get a new owner till the summer I just hope they are still investing in a Premier league club. I think the sad thing is we have a nucleus of a decent young team that just needs a more proactive manager.

It did thanks Ray. I thought we improved when Hackney and Dibling came on,i would like to see Armstrong,Dibling and Hackney given a run of 10 games but not confident that will happen.

Your bet came up again didn’t it John. As far as the match was concerned, I didn’t fancy us with a full side playing, so with a patched up one it was a real lost cause. Considering that, I think we did as well as you could expect. As we are the club is a lost cause all round, this season will be another write off. The club would make a good tv soap, one crisis to another.

What we have learned/ already know is that if we don’t acquire very ambitious new owners things will never change.

The only useful role for Johnson is washing the kit. He is a waste of space in a threadbare squad. More game time needed for Hackney, Dibling, Alcaraz, and getting Norgaard up to fitness. Have to find a system akin to a false nine, to take Barry off in games and freshen things up/ vary tactics. I don’t mean like for like, Alcaraz for Barry, I mean doing something different. Our squad is weak we need to get them all playing and contributing, and our manager needs to vary his tactics. I know, I know, not a cat in hells chance of Moyes doing either.

David Moyes Stats agains Manchester Utd and city ,Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool. played 243 Won 47 Draw 55 Lost 141 These stats tell the whole story and it’s not a good one. this has not just happened in the last few Years.

Well said Brian. Lashing down as well mate,all day I packed the London games in years ago,after travelling to every one. My mate ,who i used to go to aways with texted me from the train on route to the game. I dont know a better Blue than him.

Let’s face it a lot of teams will struggle against Arsenal at the Emirates, but it’s the abject surrender from the off that kills you. You have to move up the pitch, play a bit more in their half. Get closer to Barry. Give them something to worry about. We can’t keep possession in the middle of the park. There was little self belief on display yesterday.

A wide forward? Would you not have to play a 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 to allow that Ian? A system we both know Moyes will never use

I haven’t checked but I think Jake is 25..in moyes speak any player under 25 is a boy..

Most keepers would have tipped the first goal over the bar.

That’s a good question that should be posed of the so called transfer committee. What were the attributes that attracted him, the deficiencies were well known. Palace couldn’t believe their luck in offloading him. A complete passenger.

I should have started my post by saying how wonderful our away support is, I think most went there with little anticipation of a win but they could and should have expected an Everton team to at least have a go. We have had nothing to celebrate for decades and yet somehow these brilliant fans take their full allocation to every away game absolutely unbelievable. If everything at our club was half as good as its supporters we would be competing for honours every season.

Wow Dale ! “Moyes prefers older players ” no shit sherlock !

Spot on Brian. Have been advocating starting Hackney in midfield and play Dibbling on the right and George on the left and Grealish in the 10 role for ages. Plus I would start Charley up top. Drop KDH into the back two (his preferred position anyway) or bring him on in the second half when Grealish tires.

The clock is ticking. Including the hour we got back. Have you not found the post where i said “I predicted Arsenal would beat Everton?”

Why the negativity that he won’t perform in the cup? What are your doubts? I am no fan of johnson. To me he is no winger, his stats prove that he offers little dribbling or crossing or anything remotely like that. He is a wide forward. He hasnt scored, but he was in positions where he should have scored at least a couple. His involvement should be coming from the bench if anything.

You took on a AWFUL player in Brennan Johnson! Yet somehow expected that his last 3 managers who realized he is AWFUL was somehow all three were wrong? He is pure crap and offers NOTHING yet you took him in and continue to play this bum? Why?

When you finally made the changes and brought on Hackney who for me is our best attacking midfielder who is always looking forward unlike James Garner who always goes back and across. We had a throw in opposite their box yet 2 passes later its back with Pickford is that part of our offensive strategy, I really do wonder what you work on at Finch Farm but it doesnt look like much time is spent on trying to score goals. When you finally took Johnson off after 70 odd minutes he had had 5 touches of the ball a great attacking strategy from a front 3 player in contrast when Dibbling came on he had 18 touches in the 24 minutes he played. Patience is beginning to run out waiting for us to be more of an attacking force I would suggest on Thursday you start Hackney in midfield and play Dibbling on the right and George on the left and Grealish in the 10 role Rant over

David Moyes don’t try and bullshit Evertonians we see through this nonsense of you saying we are trying to play more offensively when you are clearly not. Last week we didn’t register a shot on target in the 2nd, you brought on an unfit Norgaard a defensive midfield player to get us back in the game. You start Johnson who in his last 25 starts for Palace and us has scored NO goals yes that’s a really offensive strategy. You signed Naitland Miles who on joining the club stated he was a defensive midfield player another part of your offensive strategy. Last week you played Rohl in front of NM when asked the reasoning you said you thought Chelsea were going to play the fast Spanish full back that you couldn’t name who incidentally didn’t play. You waited till we conceded a 2nd before making any changes after 70 odd minutes, again how is this an offensive strategy.

Andy not having a go at you but there were plenty on here who could see which way the table would shift when we were fifth in the league a few weeks ago and knew we were at the wrong end of the table and although we get no pleasure from that it was so obvious that unless Moyes played more of the squad regularly this is the reason where we are.

Where did i say “i predicted Arsenal would beat Everton”? No answer expected

The surrender Monkeys (like you) did what they do. They surrendered before a ball was kicked, They then whine and bleat when the manager does the same. It`s laughable that you claim you were correct when forecasting something the bookies had down as VERY long odds on result. Odds on favourites get turned over in every sport, in every country, every day. The one thing guaranteed to prevent it happening is spineless defeatism. The sort you demonstrate before every match. Your non contributing white flag waving is an insult to every match going fan who goes in the hope that they can galvenize what is essentially a poor team to get a result. “I predicted Arsenal would beat Everton”. What a genius your are . Shove your delight in a loss….. and your fuck-witted I-told-you-so`s.

Said same last night Steve. He will probably use them as a one off in the cup and if it goes wrong he will develop a told you so attitude. They need a run of 10 consecutive games. I thought we improved when Dibling and Hackney came on. I hope he Gives Dibling, Hackney and Armstrong a run playing together. Cant see that happening though.

Jeff; I’ve been watching since before Carey took his taxi, so by now I know how the script goes with Moyes at Arsenal.

Moyes is all for quantity but fails to see at least 2 things 1) a crowded box helps attackers, we’re impeding our own keeper half the time 2) some players are liabilities their own box

its beond funny we think moyes is stuck as we have a lack off players jhonson needs to be out full stop of this team untill he showes real hunger not pretend moyes has options but will not change his mates he needs to at least show he can fight this is not the EVERTON WAY at all how many people have said if you join EVERTON and give your best this is wot is expected and half of these just come for there wages i am sick and tired of the same excuses and the same failures from this manager GO GO GO

I think Pickford put us under the cosh with his flap at the ball for their first goal. What made it worse, from what I saw, O’Brien had it covered and would have headed it over the bar. Hard to come back from that.

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Not ideal by any stretch, I expect this lot won’t put a penny in Jan therefore an accumulation of points to stay in the league.

Brennan Johnston touched the ball 10 times in 72 minutes. Dibling touched the ball 24 times when he came as sub. Brennan has done nothing for us since signing. His confidence is shot, he contributes nothing in attack and does not track back. But, if Dibling is picked in the League Cup and does not perform well, he will be dropped and Moyes will say it proves he is not ready.

Had time to think about the game i know.davy moyes.hasnt a big squad but jesus try something differant with your tatics same.thing every week feel sorry for any striker he plays up front on his own.get some players to help him stop pickford just booting it up to him when they had a corner thow 2 players at least on the half way line some thing differant try a differant system for god sake like watching paint dry

Anyone know if Barry got any tickets for his mates?

Wow, a post from Mr Kearns without c–t or -u-k in it.

Phew, as many as 22 by then. I feel much better now

Missing out on Europe last season then throwing the spurs game on the final day was a shit show. (I think moyes got told to throw Europe so we wouldn’t have multi-club ownership issues, as Roma are clearly favored over us) Two birds with one stone, they both would have benefitted us… but Moyes just wanted to send West Ham down to show them how “good” he really was for them 🙄 we need to see out this season and get shut. Onwards and upwards fellas. Rome wasn’t built in a day and all that. City will get a deduction soon and there will be an extra European place available this season. We’ve been doing ok and with a couple of decent signings in January we can sneak into one of the European comps. I know it’s terrible to say but fuck it, I pray Barry gets injured 🤞

You know it’s going to be as Ped says “Moyes wet dream” of 4 centre backs across the back 🙂

Funny thing is you most likely said this in jest, but I truly believe he would have Yamal on the bench for more experience. 🤦‍♂️ I love the fella and grew up with him as our manager in the first spell so have a soft spot for Moyesy but it’s gettin stupid now, the starting 11 need a refresh or a tinker. Give Alcaraz and Dibling a run. I know Barry scored a few but we can all see he’s absolute shite!!

Seize what chance?… Johnson is shit, and Dibling is surely the future!… Give Dibling a run for fuk sake and let him get some confidence. Nobody thought Harry bloody Kane was any good either until Sherwood give him a chance! Play fooking Dibling you prick… Moyes was a shrewd peice of business by the new owners to steady us, retain our mid table premier league status and then sell up! Not a bad plan actually tbh.. but end of the season he has to go for Eddie Howe. Which I believe has already been lined up, if Howe doesn’t take the Man U job then I’m convinced he’s signed a pre-contact with us. Fingers crossed.

Have a look at Rohl not track the player that crossed for the 2nd goal. And I thought Hackney Dibling George combo looks like a decent option.