EDITOR'S VIEWPOINT
Bottom of the barrel
By Michael Kenrick : 25/08/2007 : 
Comments (40) :
Well, I have to admit, yesterday was something else. We were innundated at this website, and some of it did not make for nice reading. Not many of our regulars covered themselves in glory, while far too many visitors took the opportunity to lash out. Sad. Very sad.
Comments (40) : One name missing from the internecine wars was that of Tony Marsh, ToffeeWeb effant terrible. Not that he didn't actually contribute. He did. In spades. Spades of utter shite. Part of me wanted to publish it because, as I've said before, I know for certain Tony's particlularly jaundiced view of things Blue is not an isolated one.
In this instance, though, it would have underlined what a lot of our other contributors have said about Tony and it would have gernerated yet far more bile than we saw yesterday. Trust me.
Some idiots claim that we publish materials to be deliberately controversial and provoking. That is not and never has been true. We have always tried to encourage a relatively high level of debate (and literacy... but that's a different story) while trying to open the site up to a greater diversity of opinion. Sadly, what that has done is show up some of the worst personality traits among our fellow Blues. None more so than Tony Marsh.
It's not that I'm singling out the infamous Mr Marsh, but his contribution yesterday was so base, so abysmal, so abominable that even my exceedingly liberal tolerance levels reached their limit. We will not be publishing his viscious childish bile any more, some of you will be glad to know.
It was my idea to elevate Tony Marsh as a 'columnist' on this website because he had a good knack of getting to the heart of the matter, even though for a lot of people it was often too much to stomach. But he has continued to abuse that position with increasingly obnoxious pieces on the Kirkby debate. Until even I had to say enough is enough.
Hopefully the rest of you who have abused the comment facility provided freely by on here will think twice about some of the rubbish you wrote on this website yesterday... but I doubt it somehow.
Suffice it to say that our standards will be more strictly enforced going forward. Due to time constraints, the policing is not constant but offending material will be removed. Abusive contributors will be banned. Slanging threads will be terminated.
And people will be encouraged to take responsibility for what they write. As part of that initiative, we will be requiring your first and last name and a valid e.mail address on all contributions and comments. When you write in, please remember you are contributing something that thousands of your fellow fans will be reading. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
Michael Kenrick
Executive Editor
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well done michael.
i wish tony all the best , but boy did he have a knack of raising peoples blood levels.
reading his comments yesterday got to the point where it was on a par with having your toothth nerves pulled with pliers.
pulling tony was the right thing to do for toffeeweb i feel.
as i commented to tony before ,any good basis for argument in his writing was lost in the volume of his ranting.
i wish tony all the best , but boy did he have a knack of raising peoples blood levels.
reading his comments yesterday got to the point where it was on a par with having your toothth nerves pulled with pliers.
pulling tony was the right thing to do for toffeeweb i feel.
as i commented to tony before ,any good basis for argument in his writing was lost in the volume of his ranting.
Thanks for this. The site and it’s editors have confirmed why I value this site so much; by reacting to genuine concerns from genuine supporters with a calm but speedy aproach to the issues raised re Mr. Marsh yesterday.
I have been dismayed by what has been written on this and other sites and quite honestly I felt as if I was looking into some sort of parallel universe. Who are these people who hurl abuse at a fellow Blue with such venom and spite? Do I walk amongst them at the game, Do I sit next to someone with such hatred and anger bubbling below the surface? Will he/she spit at me or abuse me because I voted differently to them?
For many, the yes vote was a disaster in their eyes, for many the vote was Hobson?s choice. Heaven knows that I struggled to put a cross in the box after constant head versus heart debates but in the end I did and will stand by my own decision.
The thing that does worry me though is the level and tone of the abuse. A bit of banter is one thing but this? It?s escalating by the day, the abuse getting stronger by each message, as if those involved don?t want to be out done by the level of anger in the previous post.
How bizarre then that we talk about the truly sensless act of violence that has taken the life of a young boy of 11 but can?t see that verbal abuse and views expressed by some regarding this stadium debate, ultimately lead to intolerence of other people?s beliefs. Can we not see that verbal abuse and intolerance eventually lead to many other acts of violence because at some point it becomes acceptable to insult another for what they believe in, for their way of life etc.
You probably think that I?m a bit OTT with my view on this and well, I may be an old codger who remembers when it was safe to walk the streets and when children were safe to play out until dark but I ask you now to stop the name calling, the nasty comments and the hatred that spills into the words on these and other pages. Express your views but let?s not scream at eachother with such vitriol.
The death of Rhys Jones must surely put everything into perspective? The lad should be there today with his dad and brother watching the match, cheering his team, singing his little heart out for the lads, bursting with emotion when Z cars starts. Instead, he?s the victim of senseless violence and his death has left a hole in his family?s heart that will never be filled.
Freedom of speech, of course but let?s keep it civilised, don?t debase ourselves and become part of that terrible downward spiral towards intolerance to our fellow man. We all have one common focus and that is Everton, can that love just unite us rather than divide us? I truly hope so.
For many, the yes vote was a disaster in their eyes, for many the vote was Hobson?s choice. Heaven knows that I struggled to put a cross in the box after constant head versus heart debates but in the end I did and will stand by my own decision.
The thing that does worry me though is the level and tone of the abuse. A bit of banter is one thing but this? It?s escalating by the day, the abuse getting stronger by each message, as if those involved don?t want to be out done by the level of anger in the previous post.
How bizarre then that we talk about the truly sensless act of violence that has taken the life of a young boy of 11 but can?t see that verbal abuse and views expressed by some regarding this stadium debate, ultimately lead to intolerence of other people?s beliefs. Can we not see that verbal abuse and intolerance eventually lead to many other acts of violence because at some point it becomes acceptable to insult another for what they believe in, for their way of life etc.
You probably think that I?m a bit OTT with my view on this and well, I may be an old codger who remembers when it was safe to walk the streets and when children were safe to play out until dark but I ask you now to stop the name calling, the nasty comments and the hatred that spills into the words on these and other pages. Express your views but let?s not scream at eachother with such vitriol.
The death of Rhys Jones must surely put everything into perspective? The lad should be there today with his dad and brother watching the match, cheering his team, singing his little heart out for the lads, bursting with emotion when Z cars starts. Instead, he?s the victim of senseless violence and his death has left a hole in his family?s heart that will never be filled.
Freedom of speech, of course but let?s keep it civilised, don?t debase ourselves and become part of that terrible downward spiral towards intolerance to our fellow man. We all have one common focus and that is Everton, can that love just unite us rather than divide us? I truly hope so.
Well done,Michael,and not a moment too soon.I guess it was inevitable that the tone and quality of contributions ’would go south’once you introduced the ’instant comment’fature but too many postings are just abusive and vindictive.
I, for one, would certainly miss the outpourings of ’extremists’such as Marsh,Dodd,Ram and Noble but we all have a responsibility to treat our fellow Evertonians (including the management) with a modicum of respect regardless of the views they hold.
I, for one, would certainly miss the outpourings of ’extremists’such as Marsh,Dodd,Ram and Noble but we all have a responsibility to treat our fellow Evertonians (including the management) with a modicum of respect regardless of the views they hold.
I’ve hardly ever agreed with anything Tony has ever posted. In fact it is true to say he gets right on my nads.
We both seemed to find ourselves in the ’no’ camp and whilst I have no truck with his ’traitors’ ’scabs’ line I do understand his emotional investment in his arguments.
I too got a little bit emotionally carried away with the result of the vote yesterday and to be honest I still think it is the wrong one, and I think we’ll all pay in years to come by witnessing the further decline of our once great club... but hey, nobody got hurt!
Also, I’m sensible enough to know that I might be wrong; it has happened before... I once told every one that would listen that Andy Gray was a crock who’d never score a goal for us
However, I think the decision to silence Marshy with a ban is chucking the baby out with the bathwater. He annoys me with his take on events, with his personal attacks on Moyes, Kenwright Wyness... I hate his style, I disagree with almost anything he says... but at least he has got something to say.
So Ed, I hope you reconsider, keep him on a short leash but let the man have his say.
We both seemed to find ourselves in the ’no’ camp and whilst I have no truck with his ’traitors’ ’scabs’ line I do understand his emotional investment in his arguments.
I too got a little bit emotionally carried away with the result of the vote yesterday and to be honest I still think it is the wrong one, and I think we’ll all pay in years to come by witnessing the further decline of our once great club... but hey, nobody got hurt!
Also, I’m sensible enough to know that I might be wrong; it has happened before... I once told every one that would listen that Andy Gray was a crock who’d never score a goal for us
However, I think the decision to silence Marshy with a ban is chucking the baby out with the bathwater. He annoys me with his take on events, with his personal attacks on Moyes, Kenwright Wyness... I hate his style, I disagree with almost anything he says... but at least he has got something to say.
So Ed, I hope you reconsider, keep him on a short leash but let the man have his say.
Well said. Things have been getting out-of-hand on TW and I hate to see the split this has created regarding the ground move. I was a "No" voter but will now fully get behind the Blues and put the ground move behind me. Remember one Blue is worth twenty R.S. though it hasn’t always seemed like that with some of the comments on here. I have a go at the Reds regarding their fans’ behaviour (mobile-phone throwing, Athens, stoning Alan Smith’s ambulance at Anfield two years ago etc etc.) Let’s not descend to their level. As far as I am concerned, "Nil Satis......" doesn’t just apply to the club, it applies to Evertonians. Save your abuse for the R.S. COYB.
I will miss Tony’s gist but not some of the acidity and David I will continue to post as I don’t feel myself half as "extremist", my wife has often questioned my anger at things that happen at the club repeating her own personal mantra of "it’s just a bloody game" and "to grow up" and as I get older I am moving more to the idea of jacking it in for the sake of my wife and son (not supporting the team although my car journey with family is going to be severely tested as previously published and may in itself be the final nail), I am finding more reasons to spend my time and money on these two as they are far more dear in my heart than any football matter.
I said at several points during this whole vote debacle that I could sense a civil war building between the greatest bunch of fans I have ever had the pleasure to spend many good and bad times with, the loss of young Rhys had nothing to do with football, I sense it just seems over and over again that young Evertonian and non Evertonian lives are being lost here at home and in some godforsaken far away fields and for what? Life is far more important than any of this.
I said at several points during this whole vote debacle that I could sense a civil war building between the greatest bunch of fans I have ever had the pleasure to spend many good and bad times with, the loss of young Rhys had nothing to do with football, I sense it just seems over and over again that young Evertonian and non Evertonian lives are being lost here at home and in some godforsaken far away fields and for what? Life is far more important than any of this.
Tony’s style is probably fine in a pub, where you can pull him up on certain things, and no doubt it would be fun to banter.
Unfortunately the written text can distort someones personality and real opinions, and I just thought he was trying too hard to be heard.
And it was repetive of last season, and the constant ’agenda’ was exposed more so.
I try not to be too insulting in the mailbag, just the odd prat, tit, etc which we can all take.
I think a lot of people stopped taking responsibility for how they replied to tony, because tony was not taking any responsibility for what he was saying nor how he was putting his thoughts across.
In turn It seemed the site was not taking responsibilty for tony also, rather just run with whatever he says, and however he says it.
I’m not in favour of censure, but to ’elevate’ someone who has got so many peoples backs up, with quite hollow insult-padded complaints or regurgitations of things people are already tired of, makes me think you brought it on your self.
Of course no doubt tony’s still going to be around, I assume he’s not banned around these parts, nor should he be.
But when you put yourself across as tony does, you must expect the replies tony gets.
Unfortunately the written text can distort someones personality and real opinions, and I just thought he was trying too hard to be heard.
And it was repetive of last season, and the constant ’agenda’ was exposed more so.
I try not to be too insulting in the mailbag, just the odd prat, tit, etc which we can all take.
I think a lot of people stopped taking responsibility for how they replied to tony, because tony was not taking any responsibility for what he was saying nor how he was putting his thoughts across.
In turn It seemed the site was not taking responsibilty for tony also, rather just run with whatever he says, and however he says it.
I’m not in favour of censure, but to ’elevate’ someone who has got so many peoples backs up, with quite hollow insult-padded complaints or regurgitations of things people are already tired of, makes me think you brought it on your self.
Of course no doubt tony’s still going to be around, I assume he’s not banned around these parts, nor should he be.
But when you put yourself across as tony does, you must expect the replies tony gets.
Does Tony take sugar?
Well said Michael
Tony’s recalcitrance towards almost everything Everton appears to have left many Evertonian’s, myself included wondering whether he really was one of us. Debate and disagreement are all part and parcel of being a football supporter but so is give and take. Personally, I am bitterly disappointed with the outcome of the vote, however, life goes on and so will Everton, we of the "no to Kirby" persuasion will have to get on and live with it.
Tony’s negativity will hardly be missed, however some of the replies to his rants will.
Tony’s recalcitrance towards almost everything Everton appears to have left many Evertonian’s, myself included wondering whether he really was one of us. Debate and disagreement are all part and parcel of being a football supporter but so is give and take. Personally, I am bitterly disappointed with the outcome of the vote, however, life goes on and so will Everton, we of the "no to Kirby" persuasion will have to get on and live with it.
Tony’s negativity will hardly be missed, however some of the replies to his rants will.
It’s a shame that both Tony and Luq Youssef have been lost this summer. Two of the most critical voices on the pages brought different viewpoints which sparked debate if nothing else. Sadly they’ve brought it on themselves however, and if the unpublished rants of Tony have simply descended into arrogance and personal abuse then there’s only one decision to be made.
Thank god for that.
I was seriously getting worried that this site would end up like the BK one.
Full of people throwing insults at each other in a childish manner.
Can we also please stop this idiotic trend of telling people they are not blues, we don’t want you at the game and calling them kopites because they have a different opinion than you.
Keep up the good work. NSNO
I was seriously getting worried that this site would end up like the BK one.
Full of people throwing insults at each other in a childish manner.
Can we also please stop this idiotic trend of telling people they are not blues, we don’t want you at the game and calling them kopites because they have a different opinion than you.
Keep up the good work. NSNO
I for one will miss the postings of Tony Marsh and would ask TW to give him another chance and a final warning. Granted, he took things too far and I too have took umbrage at some of his previous contributions. However, like him or loathe him, he is a passionate match going fan with his finger on the pulse and I personally don’t believe he would stop going to support our club if we did move to Kirkby
Marsh is a rough diamond, the Ron Atkinson of TW contributors if you like (unintentionally Ronesque there!), who brought some soul and humour to the postings on here, a counter balance against some of the more intellectual/high brow stuff. I get the impression some time that contributions on here are looked upon in the same way as submitting essay’s to the school master for marks out of ten. Football is not academic, there is no black and white, right or wrong, just opinions with varying degrees of worthyness based on substantiation offered, different shades of grey. Marsh sat at one end of the spectrum and provided an excellent check to the likes of Dutch & Dodd. Concentrating on football alone is going to be difficult today but I will be waiting, like Marsh no doubt, to see if Moyes can throw off the shackles and really go for it, not just today but for the rest of the season
Football support is about passion, emotions and soul, qualities that go hand-in-hand with match going scousers. Following yesterday’s announcement I feel the same sad, empty and hollow feeling that I had when Ferguson and Rooney left. If the club decides to uproot to Kirkby then it will be losing it’s soul and I for one think that could be disasterous in the long term irrespective of the short term financial argument (ps I cannot believe one contributor compared Everton’s move to Arsenal’s - for the latter, they literally moved down the road within their traditional confines of Highbury & Islington)
I fully understand and respect TW’s decision to remove Marsh but his censure will undoubtedly remove some soul and balance from here too and that would be sad to see
Marsh is a rough diamond, the Ron Atkinson of TW contributors if you like (unintentionally Ronesque there!), who brought some soul and humour to the postings on here, a counter balance against some of the more intellectual/high brow stuff. I get the impression some time that contributions on here are looked upon in the same way as submitting essay’s to the school master for marks out of ten. Football is not academic, there is no black and white, right or wrong, just opinions with varying degrees of worthyness based on substantiation offered, different shades of grey. Marsh sat at one end of the spectrum and provided an excellent check to the likes of Dutch & Dodd. Concentrating on football alone is going to be difficult today but I will be waiting, like Marsh no doubt, to see if Moyes can throw off the shackles and really go for it, not just today but for the rest of the season
Football support is about passion, emotions and soul, qualities that go hand-in-hand with match going scousers. Following yesterday’s announcement I feel the same sad, empty and hollow feeling that I had when Ferguson and Rooney left. If the club decides to uproot to Kirkby then it will be losing it’s soul and I for one think that could be disasterous in the long term irrespective of the short term financial argument (ps I cannot believe one contributor compared Everton’s move to Arsenal’s - for the latter, they literally moved down the road within their traditional confines of Highbury & Islington)
I fully understand and respect TW’s decision to remove Marsh but his censure will undoubtedly remove some soul and balance from here too and that would be sad to see
would it not be easier just not publishing some of his letters as banning him completly does TW no favours at all surely you can cherry pick from his rantings ??
i for one agree with quite a few of the things tony says and look forward to his comments
one more chance gents ?? in the name of fair play ???
i for one agree with quite a few of the things tony says and look forward to his comments
one more chance gents ?? in the name of fair play ???
Micheal,
I mentioned Tony in my 2One True Love" article yesterday, and got the response from him I was expecting. I think it slightly unfair that he is banned, as with (quite a bit of) moderation, he does seem to have some valid viewpoints, even if I hardly ever agreed with him.
Opposite viewpoints are what makes forums like these so interesting, and it is obviously an emotive time for all Evertonians.
Could you not ask Tony to submit all comments etc to yourelves first for vetting, so that the layers of bile may be peeled away, hopefully by Tony himself, and we still end up with healthy reasoned argument on here.
I am a yes voter, but still feel saddened by the current situation, especially the polarisation of Everton supporters. I do not ,however feel like being magnanimous in ’victory’ or slagging off any one else’s opinion. They are fully entitled to their opinion much as I am to mine.
Please give the lad another (half) chance to see if he can modify his posts so we can have reasoned cross debate on all things Everton.
Unless this happens, I think you will end up with a sterile (boring) site, with much fewer postings.
My heartfelt commiserations to the family of young Rhys, and let the Blues give him an almighty send off today.
COYB.
I mentioned Tony in my 2One True Love" article yesterday, and got the response from him I was expecting. I think it slightly unfair that he is banned, as with (quite a bit of) moderation, he does seem to have some valid viewpoints, even if I hardly ever agreed with him.
Opposite viewpoints are what makes forums like these so interesting, and it is obviously an emotive time for all Evertonians.
Could you not ask Tony to submit all comments etc to yourelves first for vetting, so that the layers of bile may be peeled away, hopefully by Tony himself, and we still end up with healthy reasoned argument on here.
I am a yes voter, but still feel saddened by the current situation, especially the polarisation of Everton supporters. I do not ,however feel like being magnanimous in ’victory’ or slagging off any one else’s opinion. They are fully entitled to their opinion much as I am to mine.
Please give the lad another (half) chance to see if he can modify his posts so we can have reasoned cross debate on all things Everton.
Unless this happens, I think you will end up with a sterile (boring) site, with much fewer postings.
My heartfelt commiserations to the family of young Rhys, and let the Blues give him an almighty send off today.
COYB.
I have to admit that I agree with a lot of the sentiments expressed by Tony Marsh but I cringe at his delivery. Perhaps it is a small price to pay for the singer to be censured but the song still needs to be heard. Look forward to seeing postings from EVERYBODY with all the expletives (including abbreviations)removed. I particularly dislike FFS Michael.
While I never saw what Tony Marsh wrote I think it is unfair to ban him from the site completely. Sure, warn him about going too far but this site won’t be the same without his contributions. I happen to agree with most things that he says and he sums up what I’m thinking very well at times, and even if you don’t agree with him he does start a lot of important debates. At the end of the day he wants the best for Everton Football Club which also means ALL Evertonians. So please re-consider. A warning is surely enough after such an emotional week.
I’ll miss Tony’s views if not his style. But I guess, the two go together, don’t they?
Insults and accusations are thrown around far too easily over the internet and as such, they should be taken lightly. It’s not easy but think about how much abuse players and managers have to take on the pitch.
There’s one thing however, that I really don’t like to read: the accusation that someone or other is not a true blue. I’d like to think we all are, and I don’t like that in some of the posts above, Tony’s blueness is questioned, much in the same way he used to do it.
If more posters could cut down on this annoying habit, this ultima ratio when all sensible arguments are exheausted, TW would be a much more pleasant place.
Insults and accusations are thrown around far too easily over the internet and as such, they should be taken lightly. It’s not easy but think about how much abuse players and managers have to take on the pitch.
There’s one thing however, that I really don’t like to read: the accusation that someone or other is not a true blue. I’d like to think we all are, and I don’t like that in some of the posts above, Tony’s blueness is questioned, much in the same way he used to do it.
If more posters could cut down on this annoying habit, this ultima ratio when all sensible arguments are exheausted, TW would be a much more pleasant place.
It’s a courageous and difficult stand, Michael, and I certainly don’t envy you having to make it. Probably right, although I hate to see anyone silenced (free speech and all that). And I come to Toffeeweb for the passion, so I don’t have any problem with that (and it will sometimes spill over into abuse - I am guilty myself).
Personally, I aways thought that Tony had something to say in the midst of all the anger and abuse, and I will be sorry to see him go. I also found Tony on many occasions laugh out loud funny, and I will miss that too.
Thanks Tony for your funnier and less bitter contributions. Good luck mate! Up the blues!
Personally, I aways thought that Tony had something to say in the midst of all the anger and abuse, and I will be sorry to see him go. I also found Tony on many occasions laugh out loud funny, and I will miss that too.
Thanks Tony for your funnier and less bitter contributions. Good luck mate! Up the blues!
I have been living in Melbourne for the past 34 years but I was raised an Evertonian by my dad - God rest his soul - and remain as passionate and one eyed about the blues as I was when I first started supporting them (I can’t remember my first game but it was 3/- to get in to Goodison Road terracing and Albert Dunlop was in goal :). I had travelled by train and bus from the North End of Birkenhead with my two mates John Laing (he came from the Woodchurch Estate!) and Tony Loy. We went to every home game that season. I am not keen on the move from Goodison - it holds so many memories for me and it is our patch. But do you know what - an Evertonian is an Evertonian - and will watch them any time, any place, given the opportunity. Fortunately for me and my brothers in blue in OZ we can watch it on Foxtel at unearthly hours of the night, any night the blues are playing. Tonight its Blackburn Rovers 2:35am.
What we have to do now is support the manager and players regardless of how we feel about the move. Come on the bluuues!
What we have to do now is support the manager and players regardless of how we feel about the move. Come on the bluuues!
Michael, I’m sorry to see you’ve had problems over the last few days. I for one haven’t hidden my views on the Kirkby debate, but it looks like the point is finally moot. Part of me would like it to go the way of King’s Dock while the rest of me doesn’t feel we could stand the further ignominy of another farcical no-show.
As far as Tony is concerned, I do accept that some of his views lately have been extreme beyond the extreme, but I put that down to his considerable anger on the position of the Kirkby debate. I doubt that once the dust has settled that he’ll still sound like he’s ditching his support as he did in latter days. In that sense I hope you can take another look at Tony’s situation in the coming days to see whether you can allow him back on to the site. Though I don’t always agree with some of the extreme views on this site: particularly the vehemently pro Wyness/Kenwright/Moyes brigade, I do feel it this sort of tolerance of views that raises Toffeeweb above and beyond all other fan sites.
I accept the likes of Tony, Doddy and Dutch in equal measure, but I do agree with your abolition of anonymising entries. I have never hidden behind my views and it has always annoyed me slightly that some persist in hiding behind monikers. That si something I welcome in being stamed out.
Thank you again Michael and to Colm and Lyndon. This site makes me proud to be an Evertonian.
As far as Tony is concerned, I do accept that some of his views lately have been extreme beyond the extreme, but I put that down to his considerable anger on the position of the Kirkby debate. I doubt that once the dust has settled that he’ll still sound like he’s ditching his support as he did in latter days. In that sense I hope you can take another look at Tony’s situation in the coming days to see whether you can allow him back on to the site. Though I don’t always agree with some of the extreme views on this site: particularly the vehemently pro Wyness/Kenwright/Moyes brigade, I do feel it this sort of tolerance of views that raises Toffeeweb above and beyond all other fan sites.
I accept the likes of Tony, Doddy and Dutch in equal measure, but I do agree with your abolition of anonymising entries. I have never hidden behind my views and it has always annoyed me slightly that some persist in hiding behind monikers. That si something I welcome in being stamed out.
Thank you again Michael and to Colm and Lyndon. This site makes me proud to be an Evertonian.
To be fair Michael, Tony took a lot of personal abuse himself yesterday, notably from one Terrymarsbar.
I think the sheer emotion of the day got to him and he was speaking from the heart.
I for one will miss his contribution to this FANtastic site.
I think the sheer emotion of the day got to him and he was speaking from the heart.
I for one will miss his contribution to this FANtastic site.
This will be my last post on here as DGF in future I will use my real name but it did not seem to be right on this thread to use a name that has rarely appeared on here.
Tony’s views were outraegous and sometimes down right offensive. At times though some of it was extremely entertaining. It is a sad day that he no longer will be posting. We really do need all opinions on here but just less of the personal insults. Hopefully a more tame/edited Tony will appear on here in the future.
Tony’s views were outraegous and sometimes down right offensive. At times though some of it was extremely entertaining. It is a sad day that he no longer will be posting. We really do need all opinions on here but just less of the personal insults. Hopefully a more tame/edited Tony will appear on here in the future.
Glad to see that there his some policing now in place on this site, i am not advocating agreement of a big brother policy, but this site is read all over the world by young and old, it does the club no image favours whatsoever when bad language and unsavoury comments are made towards individuals and their alternative ideas. Lets not only clean up on the football field this season but on this site also, abusers do not deserve to have this facilty. Well done, i hope you continue this stance and send out a strong message that offensive material does not belong on Toffeeweb
Anthony Newell - I share all your sentiments (without being too much of a creosote junkie, though, I can also understand the predicament that Michael finds himself in). While I’d never express myself in the way that Tony does, it was the fact that someone with so much raw-edge was a regular on TW that attracted me to this site. I don’t do gentrification. And Tony - about as unreconstructed a Blue as you can get - clearly doesn’t bow to that new age football god either. In his defence, while Tony veered into aggression on more than a few occasions, there are many others who post to this site (bad Yank phrase alert here) with a finely honed line in "passive aggressive" (*) language that’s clouded in just enough "who, me?" type ambiguity and plausibility to make it communally acceptable. Tony, in part, is a victim of his own straight-talk. (*) I admit it, I’ve been watchin far too much Brothers & Sisters on C4. Sally Field cracked-out "passive aggressive" the other night. I’m a sucker for toss like that!
Well done Michael, Tony Marsh is without doubt the most abysmal,malcontented contributor to this site. I must say TW is the best site for all things to do with Everton and long may it continue.
Regards
Mike Squires
Regards
Mike Squires
Steve Lyth.
For "personal abuse"..See Gavins and tonys remarks to myself..I have been called a Bitter Prick by Gavin for stating that I consider the way he and mr Marsh have lambasted the team, the manager and the board with such vitriol that anything close to attaining intelligent debate..was shall we say , left on the cutting room floor..
a lot of these type of posts are purely personal attacks with no point other than to provoke the more reasoned members of our support(including myself) to enter slanging matches which have unfortunately become nothing to do with the alleged debate at hand.
and of course being called ascab and a traitor simply for stating that I shall continue to support my team wherever they may play..???
Hopefully this can be an end to it..Im surprised it got this far.
You may not realise it but I and probably all Evertonians are also "against" moving from Goodison Park..Thats our hearts speaking..but move we have to..and even now the "Where ",still has to be confirmed,although it looks like being Kirkby.
I will continue to support my team..and offer my support and what I hope are constructive answers to any questions asked on here...I dont watch my games thru rose tinted glasses though and if deserved will also offer constructive criticism, should i have any.
For "personal abuse"..See Gavins and tonys remarks to myself..I have been called a Bitter Prick by Gavin for stating that I consider the way he and mr Marsh have lambasted the team, the manager and the board with such vitriol that anything close to attaining intelligent debate..was shall we say , left on the cutting room floor..
a lot of these type of posts are purely personal attacks with no point other than to provoke the more reasoned members of our support(including myself) to enter slanging matches which have unfortunately become nothing to do with the alleged debate at hand.
and of course being called ascab and a traitor simply for stating that I shall continue to support my team wherever they may play..???
Hopefully this can be an end to it..Im surprised it got this far.
You may not realise it but I and probably all Evertonians are also "against" moving from Goodison Park..Thats our hearts speaking..but move we have to..and even now the "Where ",still has to be confirmed,although it looks like being Kirkby.
I will continue to support my team..and offer my support and what I hope are constructive answers to any questions asked on here...I dont watch my games thru rose tinted glasses though and if deserved will also offer constructive criticism, should i have any.
Thanks to all for your understanding and support. I truely believe maintaining high standards is important for this website, and it is you guys who can do the most to make that happen, with your contributions and vigilance regarding abusive posts.
We are now getting so many comments submitted each day, we cannot read all of them, so we are relying on you to some extent to flag and report substandard ones. We will take action, although there may be a delay of up to a few hours at most before we react.
If any of you have any interest in helping with the website editing and comment policing, please drop me an e.mail vial the Feedback page
Thanks again.
We are now getting so many comments submitted each day, we cannot read all of them, so we are relying on you to some extent to flag and report substandard ones. We will take action, although there may be a delay of up to a few hours at most before we react.
If any of you have any interest in helping with the website editing and comment policing, please drop me an e.mail vial the Feedback page
Thanks again.
I think it?s out of order banning Marshy. Okay,he went over the top most of the time. But, I believe a lot of it came from the heart. People have mentioned the abuse he throws around. Well folks, some of the abuse that has been thrown at Tony, was bang out of order. Michael, all you have done is give the likes of David Barks, Doddy and Co what they have always wanted, and that was to get rid of Tony.
Thanks to all for your understanding and support. I truely believe maintaining high standards is important for this website, and it is you guys who can do the most to make that happen, with your contributions and vigilance regarding abusive posts.
We are now getting so many comments submitted each day, we cannot read all of them, so we are relying on you to some extent to flag and report substandard ones. We will take action, although there may be a delay of up to a few hours at most before we react.
I should make it clear, I haven?t really banned Mr Marsh from these pages. Just muzzled a monsterous article he submitted on Friday that was utterly attrocious. And consequently down-graded him from being a ?columnist?.
He is actually still free to submit coments and articles. Whether he will or not after I sat on what he probably perceives to have been his "masterpiece" is another matter altogether....
We are now getting so many comments submitted each day, we cannot read all of them, so we are relying on you to some extent to flag and report substandard ones. We will take action, although there may be a delay of up to a few hours at most before we react.
I should make it clear, I haven?t really banned Mr Marsh from these pages. Just muzzled a monsterous article he submitted on Friday that was utterly attrocious. And consequently down-graded him from being a ?columnist?.
He is actually still free to submit coments and articles. Whether he will or not after I sat on what he probably perceives to have been his "masterpiece" is another matter altogether....
Terry you are welcome to your viewpoint but it was getting tiresome to read you constantly say ALL I ever had to say was anti DM, BK and KW and as acidic as Tony. I often have positive things to say and have had so little to say about DM recently I can’t actually remember my last tirade aimed in his direction, unfortunately I retaliated with bitter name calling which many many many people on here have done so hands up and apology offered but I will continue to post my discontent to issues about this club when I see it.
Censorship is always a difficult one but not just Mr Marsh but some other contributors have been writing some amazingly polarised pieces on this site lately.
On one hand it is good to see so many people so deeply concerned with a club that has totally failed to challenge for Premier and Cup honours in many years.
On the other hand ,one can sense the frustrations amongst we Blues as the honest among us can see another season where we will do better than today in the Premier without offering much in Cup ties.
I still believe this is the best squad that we have had in years but I cannot see us in the top four any time soon although those who suggest Kirby and falling through the leagues represent the likely future are surely just too gloomy to be true.
Did the minute that preceded today?s game not put a lot of things in perspective ?
They are our beloved Blues , for whom we all want nothing but the best, but it is just a game .
I love Barry Horne?s commentaries but when he called the Blackburn goal a disaster , did we not squirm a bit when we thought of a family sitting near the dugout today.
I think they know what is and is not a tragedy !
The ground shift decision debate will drone on endlessly but let?s keep some sense of perspective and try to keep a civil tongue in our heads when speaking to equally committed Blues who happen to have a different point of view from our own.
Don?t ever think that as supporters of Everton Football club we have little power.
WE HAVE A HELL OF A LOT OF POWER AND ON A CONSTANT DIET OF IN-FIGHTING WE HAVE THE POWER TO TEAR OUR BELOVED CLUB APART !
Take care of yourselves folks , take care of our young Blues and take care that we don?t rant and rave our great club into the ground !
EVERTON WILL GO ON !!!
On one hand it is good to see so many people so deeply concerned with a club that has totally failed to challenge for Premier and Cup honours in many years.
On the other hand ,one can sense the frustrations amongst we Blues as the honest among us can see another season where we will do better than today in the Premier without offering much in Cup ties.
I still believe this is the best squad that we have had in years but I cannot see us in the top four any time soon although those who suggest Kirby and falling through the leagues represent the likely future are surely just too gloomy to be true.
Did the minute that preceded today?s game not put a lot of things in perspective ?
They are our beloved Blues , for whom we all want nothing but the best, but it is just a game .
I love Barry Horne?s commentaries but when he called the Blackburn goal a disaster , did we not squirm a bit when we thought of a family sitting near the dugout today.
I think they know what is and is not a tragedy !
The ground shift decision debate will drone on endlessly but let?s keep some sense of perspective and try to keep a civil tongue in our heads when speaking to equally committed Blues who happen to have a different point of view from our own.
Don?t ever think that as supporters of Everton Football club we have little power.
WE HAVE A HELL OF A LOT OF POWER AND ON A CONSTANT DIET OF IN-FIGHTING WE HAVE THE POWER TO TEAR OUR BELOVED CLUB APART !
Take care of yourselves folks , take care of our young Blues and take care that we don?t rant and rave our great club into the ground !
EVERTON WILL GO ON !!!
Fair play, Mr. Kenrick, in still allowing Mr. Marsh to post while withdrawing his status as a columnist. Yes, all viewpoints need to be heard. However, as Evertonians, we expect a certain amount of civility in our discussions. I appreciate how hard your job is and I thank you for upholding the high standards of the site.
I agree that all viewpoints should be heard but all Tony Marsh does is continually slag off our beloved Everton.
He uses any excuse he can find to run the club, players and manager down. In my book thats not supporting Everton.
Major praise for Michael for having the balls to take a stand and putting an end to the bile steming from Tony Marsh.
I was once not allowed to post because I use an alias, Tony Marsh was made a columnist and given a pedistal for his rants, finally Michael has come to his senses.
I hope we don?t lose Tony Marsh entirely. I do believe that we need pesimistic opinions from time to time. I hope Tony Marsh wakes up and decides to critise when its appropriate and applaud occaisionally when things are good.
I personally was surprised that the majority of fans voted to move. Reading this website I honestly thought the general opinion was that very few actually wanted to move. I was prepared for a land-slide no vote.
Reading Toffeeweb you would never have guessed a Yes vote would be recorded. Is Toffeeweb out of touch?
He uses any excuse he can find to run the club, players and manager down. In my book thats not supporting Everton.
Major praise for Michael for having the balls to take a stand and putting an end to the bile steming from Tony Marsh.
I was once not allowed to post because I use an alias, Tony Marsh was made a columnist and given a pedistal for his rants, finally Michael has come to his senses.
I hope we don?t lose Tony Marsh entirely. I do believe that we need pesimistic opinions from time to time. I hope Tony Marsh wakes up and decides to critise when its appropriate and applaud occaisionally when things are good.
I personally was surprised that the majority of fans voted to move. Reading this website I honestly thought the general opinion was that very few actually wanted to move. I was prepared for a land-slide no vote.
Reading Toffeeweb you would never have guessed a Yes vote would be recorded. Is Toffeeweb out of touch?
So Dutch what is your real name?
This is nuts.
Marshy does my ?ed in as much as anyone.
But I now have some masochistic urge to know what was in the ?masterpiece?.
Marshy does my ?ed in as much as anyone.
But I now have some masochistic urge to know what was in the ?masterpiece?.
I want to see this ’masterpiece’ too - please release it so that we can make our own minds up.
BRING TONY MARSH BACK NOW, - bleedin ’ell the lad spoke from the heart, and it’s obvious his bark is worse than his bite, i liked his comments and they were never dull and more than often spot on. * looks up amnesty interntional.
Michael - well done in trying to bring some oder to this debate. I was fearful that the club would desend into civil war but speaking to fellow blues in the pub after the game most No voters appear to have accepted the result and decided to back the club.
Tony’s contributions were always colourful but the fact is he went too far. Healthy debate is fine but it had become more than that.
Well done TW, lets now get behind the boys!
Tony’s contributions were always colourful but the fact is he went too far. Healthy debate is fine but it had become more than that.
Well done TW, lets now get behind the boys!
Terry Maddock, your comments are appreciated, no one has to use personal abuse to get their point over. I dont think Tony or Gav are any less passionate than you, they simply have a different view point and this week has been trying for all of us.Ian Mac by the way is a good lad and whilst you might think he wants to be in the lime light, you could not be further from the truth. Anyway, we move on, this club are loved and that can be seen from your posts and the vast majority of lads and lasses who come on here. Lets hope the Fernandes news is wrong.
All the best to you and yours
All the best to you and yours
Getting fed up of the cynical comments on this site. As this site is probably second to the OS for readers to go to. Especially when we have new young fans, new global fans, and like it or not new fans from Kirkby who may want to get interested in Everton, You guys have a responsibility to raise the profile of the club.
Yet all I see is cynical swipes at the club at every opportunity. The Fernandes situation was unfortunate, but the way you put it, its almost like its the club's fault.
You seem to hate the way the club is run, even though its a damn site better than it was 10 years ago. This club like it or not has moved on and has improved. League positions and quality of signings have proved that.
Makes you wonder which side you are on.
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