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I've just come in to the delight of the breaking news on Sky Sports. West Ham have bid for the Yak!
This is the second, and obviously a more improved offer, for what surely is a surplus to requirements striker. Now I know it is the obvious question I pose, but will we accept this time around ?
The much needed funds generated from his sale, would then be available to DM. In my opinion it's a question that needs no answer. With the strikers we now have on board, we could then utilise these funds to make the donavan deal a reality, and get pienaar to sign on the dotted line with the remaining funds going towards his inflated wages.
I know this is a debate that has been posted previously, but surely now is the time to act and get rid of a striker who in the eye's of most is no longer needed or wanted.
Everton, please make a swift and positive decision on this offer and don't delay with your response. We could then be starting our season with donavan on board and pienaar tied up for a few more years, and all in the knowledge that the yak has moved on with his best years behind him. I know who will be the winner in this deal and it ain't West Ham.
Craig Bellew, Posted 10/08/2010 at 18:25:36
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"Will we accept this time around ?"
It depends how much it is Craig. If £8-9m, then yes, probably. Don't forget we were paying his wages for the whole of his recovery period.
It wouldn't surprise me though if he went off to West Ham and found his scoring boots again.
It depends how much it is Craig. If £8-9m, then yes, probably. Don't forget we were paying his wages for the whole of his recovery period.
It wouldn't surprise me though if he went off to West Ham and found his scoring boots again.
Sell him. And Pienaar. Get in Bellamy and Donovan. Job done.
Craig, I know you will probalby point to Saha, but after him, there isn't much else.
Beckford is unproven in the Prem; Vaughan, injury prone is an under statement; Gueye? Silva? Anichebe, never going to be prolific enough.
Even Saha's fitness is suspect at times.
If we was paid in kilos weighed we would be looking at more than £10M :)
Mike Green,
very good point.
That would be an improvement and an injection of enthusiasm.
very good point.
That would be an improvement and an injection of enthusiasm.
Brian
Unless this Remy rumour has some truth in it and the money went towards that.
Unless this Remy rumour has some truth in it and the money went towards that.
Does anyone ACTUALLY know anything at all about Remy?
There could be some truth in the Crouch gossip. Not too bad a swap if we make a profit on the deal.
To highlight my above point:-
Well, if the rumours are true about us raising money to buy my mate Davide "40 goal a season for the pub team" then we can sell the Yak - i.e. is some unknown guaranteed to be any better? The Yak is a goalscorer and yes, it's taken him a long while to get over a bad injury but he's still relatively young (no Nigerian age jokes please, their FA may be watching these pages).
Well, if the rumours are true about us raising money to buy my mate Davide "40 goal a season for the pub team" then we can sell the Yak - i.e. is some unknown guaranteed to be any better? The Yak is a goalscorer and yes, it's taken him a long while to get over a bad injury but he's still relatively young (no Nigerian age jokes please, their FA may be watching these pages).
Cheers Jay - I thought I'd get slaughtered for using the "B" word....!
Well from what I've read, Everton have made enqueries to Spurs about Crouch and any deal is dependant on the sale of Yak to West Ham, apparently we want £8 or 9 million for Yak and are willing to give Spurs £7m for Crouch.
Now if I'm not mistaken, Crouch is 29 and the other week, Moyes was moaning and saying the price for Donovan was too rich for a player is age (28) so to me, £7m is too much for Crouch!.
And if we were to sell Yak, I wouldn't want Crouch anyway, I'd rather us buy a younger striker, preferably a target man who can play up top on his own and hold up the ball and link the play, someone a bit different to what we've already got.
Now if I'm not mistaken, Crouch is 29 and the other week, Moyes was moaning and saying the price for Donovan was too rich for a player is age (28) so to me, £7m is too much for Crouch!.
And if we were to sell Yak, I wouldn't want Crouch anyway, I'd rather us buy a younger striker, preferably a target man who can play up top on his own and hold up the ball and link the play, someone a bit different to what we've already got.
You can just picture it now, Crouch scores and runs to the Gwladys st, and starts doing the robot!!!
Moyes said he wanted the team to finish higher. I will get my coat !
Compared to £5m for a 31-year old Distin, defender, last summer, £7m for a 29-year old Crouch, striker, pherhaps isn't that bad a deal.
And if we could get £9m for the Yak I'd be happy with that.
And if we could get £9m for the Yak I'd be happy with that.
Not Crouch or Remy please. Some of those South American players looked class in the World Cup. Huntelaar?
Cashing in on the Yak only makes sense IF the money is spent on playing staff. There is no guarantee that this move isn't being made to fund the Arteta pay raise...not Pienaar's. If the Yak goes , we will be pretty short on depth upfront. Crouch would NOT be an upgrade IMO and I still think we have seen the best of Donovan. I think money would definitely need to be spent on a striker.
Hmmmm a real dilemma this one... My head says sell Yak for anything over 8 million, but i agree with a few suggestions on here, if we do sell our proven goalscorer who will get the goals. My suggestion would be sell Yak get in Donovan. The reason for this .. Everton have not had a 20 goal a season man for years, the majority of our goals come from midfield. Wit hDonovan to give us width on the right I would suggest we would have one if not the best midfield in the premiership.
At the moment the decent teams know that if they stop our left hand side then they stop our threat. With Donovan on the right we would have threat on both wings. Just my opinions.
At the moment the decent teams know that if they stop our left hand side then they stop our threat. With Donovan on the right we would have threat on both wings. Just my opinions.
Please god, not Crouch. I don't want to see hoofball from Everton FC again. Remember Moyes's comments after the Wolfsburg game, "We overplayed, I'll have to fix that". Well, if hoofin it's gonna be at least we will have the lankiest man in the Premier League.
On another note, I just watched Jack for England Under-21s, he was captain, played 60 minutes, and was excellent from the first minute; well done, Jack.
We have a decent breadth of young strikers, especially given that any striker will be a lone strikers with support from Cahill/Osman/etc.
I'd personally like Donovan on th fantasy football stakes (and note his twitter icon is still Everton no.9 shirt). Would Crouch want to move up to Merseyside given the revelations of him with a prostitute in "News" of The World on Sunday? And not going to have a go about Bellend, but well, no thanks from me.
Obviously much depends on what's on offer for The Yak.
I'd personally like Donovan on th fantasy football stakes (and note his twitter icon is still Everton no.9 shirt). Would Crouch want to move up to Merseyside given the revelations of him with a prostitute in "News" of The World on Sunday? And not going to have a go about Bellend, but well, no thanks from me.
Obviously much depends on what's on offer for The Yak.
Did Grant work with Yak down at Pompey?
Could be a factor.
Could be a factor.
Yakubu scored 8 times last season.
I know his injury was bad but I just dont feel Yakubu had the passion for it last season.
Yakubu has a history of starting of at new club scoring loads of goals and then slowly losing interest.
Considering he only scored 8 times last season will we miss his goals that much?
Surely Beckford or even Vaughan will be good for 8 goals? Plus we have Anichebe, Gueye and Silva.
I know his injury was bad but I just dont feel Yakubu had the passion for it last season.
Yakubu has a history of starting of at new club scoring loads of goals and then slowly losing interest.
Considering he only scored 8 times last season will we miss his goals that much?
Surely Beckford or even Vaughan will be good for 8 goals? Plus we have Anichebe, Gueye and Silva.
I dont want Crouch unless Abby Clancy comes as well
I just want every person who is itching to "get rid" of Yakubu to remember those feelings the next time you come on here or any other site bitching and moaning about a lack of loyalty amongst players. You all want players to be fully loyal to the club you support, but the second you believe he can be replaced you want him sold to whomever will take him.
To hell with these players having families and having to move to a new area and at times new countries. As soon as they don't suit what you believe your club needs, you just say get rid. So don't come back on here complaining about how players show no loyalty. Because they show just as much loyalty as you show to them.
To hell with these players having families and having to move to a new area and at times new countries. As soon as they don't suit what you believe your club needs, you just say get rid. So don't come back on here complaining about how players show no loyalty. Because they show just as much loyalty as you show to them.
Im not too bothered about losing the Yak, he always does his best work for a team in the first season or two after joining a team, it was the same at Pompy and Boro where his performances had tailed off towards the end.
If we kept him I think we would be lucky to see more than 10-12 goals this season, even if fully fit, then this time next year he will be gone for £5 or 6 million at best.
Flog him to West Ham for £10mill now, add it to whatever Bill can find down the back of the sofa in the board room and get Landon or Loic Remy in.
If we kept him I think we would be lucky to see more than 10-12 goals this season, even if fully fit, then this time next year he will be gone for £5 or 6 million at best.
Flog him to West Ham for £10mill now, add it to whatever Bill can find down the back of the sofa in the board room and get Landon or Loic Remy in.
David Barks, thats a good shout mate.
David/Brian ... why is that a good shout... Im sorry but if you are moved on because the club find an offer acceptable thats business... Nothing about loyalty. You can be as loyal as anything but their will always come a time when its time too move.
And the point about his family having to move , well boo hoo on £40k + a week im sure he would find it a lot easier to relocate than the average worker who may have to relocate with thier job earning around £25k a year.
Sorry mate but i dont agree with you on this one !!!!
And the point about his family having to move , well boo hoo on £40k + a week im sure he would find it a lot easier to relocate than the average worker who may have to relocate with thier job earning around £25k a year.
Sorry mate but i dont agree with you on this one !!!!
Don't think selling Pienaar's best mate will do us any favours in convincing him to sign a new contract.
Get rid of the fat old man. I don't care if he was good for us two bloody years ago, he ain't any more.
Who, may i ask, will play up front WHEN Saha is injured if we were to sell Yak??
He only scored 8 goals last season?? Well fuck me like, Saha only scored 13 goals & he had a 'sensational' season. Get a grip guys, we need a fuckin squad here with experienced strikers not a couple of kids & a guy who's unproven at this level.
He only scored 8 goals last season?? Well fuck me like, Saha only scored 13 goals & he had a 'sensational' season. Get a grip guys, we need a fuckin squad here with experienced strikers not a couple of kids & a guy who's unproven at this level.
Sell the Yak and buy Crouch??? Go easy on the drink lads!
Fair enough if we have to sell Yak to bring in other players, but Crouch?? I give up, we start getting a decent team and people talk about Crouch. Sweet Lord!
Fair enough if we have to sell Yak to bring in other players, but Crouch?? I give up, we start getting a decent team and people talk about Crouch. Sweet Lord!
Ian the point is that if a player wants to leave us for more cash, he's a disloyal greedy bastard, the point David is trying to make is where is the loyalty from us towards players? As soon as there was a sniff that the Yak could be moved on, everyone was on here saying get rid, maybe at the end of the day we should show some loyalty towards the Yak, it's not as if he's asked for a move.
And what if Yakubu really loves Everton? What if he moved to this club and just loves it, can't wait to come back from his injury and score goals for this club that he now loves. What if he wants to show the loyalty that you bitch so much about Rooney not having, and Pienaar not having? That wouldn't be enough would it? You'd still sell him to Siberia if the offer was enough wouldn't you?
No, you demand loyalty while it suits you, then to hell with them. Well guess what, every single player knows that's how you feel which is why loyalty means as much to them as it does to you. Nothing. You say it perfectly, it is a business so sell him while we can get a decent amount for him.
Well they're involved in the business, so they'll go where the best offer comes from. But you don't like that side of the business, oh no. Then the players are all just money grabbing mercenaries right? So what does that make you for wanting to send a player anywhere in the world if the money is right?
No, you demand loyalty while it suits you, then to hell with them. Well guess what, every single player knows that's how you feel which is why loyalty means as much to them as it does to you. Nothing. You say it perfectly, it is a business so sell him while we can get a decent amount for him.
Well they're involved in the business, so they'll go where the best offer comes from. But you don't like that side of the business, oh no. Then the players are all just money grabbing mercenaries right? So what does that make you for wanting to send a player anywhere in the world if the money is right?
You're quite right, Ian - football is a business. But that's exactly why David's also right - people shouldn't bleat about, for example, Gosling or Lescott showing no loyalty as football's their business. The only loyalty in football is from the supporters to their club &, apart from a few exceptions, that's about it.
"As soon as there was a sniff that the Yak could be moved on, everyone was on here saying get rid"
Don't think so Brian. Many want to keep him/are unsure.
Don't think so Brian. Many want to keep him/are unsure.
Ian Mullin - 100% correct.
If my employer started shoving me £40k a week - as opposed to the £10k I'm currently on... spoiling for a move I am.... tossers.... only a 2 year contract too, they'll be shafted come January if they dont agree something with my missus erm I mean agent soon - so I could run around a field for a living in my twenties (or late 30's as in Yaks case.....) I think my loyalty lie first and foremost with them - not the other way round.
Or shall we just hand the entire game over to them?
If my employer started shoving me £40k a week - as opposed to the £10k I'm currently on... spoiling for a move I am.... tossers.... only a 2 year contract too, they'll be shafted come January if they dont agree something with my missus erm I mean agent soon - so I could run around a field for a living in my twenties (or late 30's as in Yaks case.....) I think my loyalty lie first and foremost with them - not the other way round.
Or shall we just hand the entire game over to them?
David ... I can see your point. However, and I play devils advocate here, in your philosophy, what happens if we have a player that is crap but loves EVerton, like we all do, and has been here for a few years. Do we not sell because as you say we should show him loyalty ?
Im sorry but the harsh reality is ... football is now a business and once your football pedigree expires you are moved on.
Im not saying that is the case here, and Im sure DM will only sell if he feels it is the correct move for Everton.
Im sorry but the harsh reality is ... football is now a business and once your football pedigree expires you are moved on.
Im not saying that is the case here, and Im sure DM will only sell if he feels it is the correct move for Everton.
Fucking brilliant.
The Yak goes and we get the stilleto kid.
Possible top four to mid table in an instant.
Ian,
You're missing my point. I know it's a business. I'm pointing out that fact to all those who bitch about a lack of loyalty. I don't care if we sell him, and I don't get so upset and cry lack of loyalty when a player sees he can make double his current wage. If I got offered double my wage, I'd leave, and so would you, and so would every other person. But when a player does that on our team, people call him a mercenary. But when we sign a player from another team, who left that team to come to us for more money, we talk about how excited we are that he chose Everton.
You're missing my point. I know it's a business. I'm pointing out that fact to all those who bitch about a lack of loyalty. I don't care if we sell him, and I don't get so upset and cry lack of loyalty when a player sees he can make double his current wage. If I got offered double my wage, I'd leave, and so would you, and so would every other person. But when a player does that on our team, people call him a mercenary. But when we sign a player from another team, who left that team to come to us for more money, we talk about how excited we are that he chose Everton.
I'd be snapping the hand off Mr gold if he offers anywhere near £10 million for the Yak. He'll never be the same player and if we could get Donavon for £8M it would be a great deal.
Everyone sees Landon as a right winger but he could also do a decent job up front if Saha breaks down and Beckford doesn't do the business. And not forgetting the option of putting a certain Tim Cahill up front if need must. Timmy up front for the season could be a 15 goals a season man.
And it would let us accomodate Arteta/Fellaini and Rodwell in the middle with Landon on the right and Pienaar on the left. Not a bad front 6 in my eyes.
Everyone sees Landon as a right winger but he could also do a decent job up front if Saha breaks down and Beckford doesn't do the business. And not forgetting the option of putting a certain Tim Cahill up front if need must. Timmy up front for the season could be a 15 goals a season man.
And it would let us accomodate Arteta/Fellaini and Rodwell in the middle with Landon on the right and Pienaar on the left. Not a bad front 6 in my eyes.
David, I see what you are saying.
Pretend that we dont have the Yak, look at his stats and form for previous clubs including ours and tell me if you would sign him for prob £8mill? As an outsider looking in, I'd say he was worth a punt, unless you know of another striker around that price... Keane anyone?
Brendan, I'm sure there was a poll on here not so long ago, the topic being whether we should sell the Yak or keep him. Can't find it, but if there was, maybe Michael or one of the other lads could let us know the results?
It's just that this isen't the first time, that getting rid of the Yak has come up.
It's just that this isen't the first time, that getting rid of the Yak has come up.
@ #19 Kevin Wilson:
"The former Portsmouth and Chelsea boss is keen on a reunion with Yabuku, according to the Liverpool Daily Post. Grant was in charge of Israeli side Maccabi Haifa during Yukubu's spell at the club from 2002-03."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1284610/West-Ham-preparing-fresh-approach-Yakubu-Avram-Grant-seeks-reunion-Everton-striker.html#ixzz0wEwx3rg7
"The former Portsmouth and Chelsea boss is keen on a reunion with Yabuku, according to the Liverpool Daily Post. Grant was in charge of Israeli side Maccabi Haifa during Yukubu's spell at the club from 2002-03."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1284610/West-Ham-preparing-fresh-approach-Yakubu-Avram-Grant-seeks-reunion-Everton-striker.html#ixzz0wEwx3rg7
If we get an injury to Saha (which if past record is anything to go by is a big posibility) we are left with young unproven strikers.. Beckford is too much of a gamble to rely on to play a full season and score 15 to 20 goals at this level just yet and that leaves us short.. I think the yak has a proven record so unless another striker is on the way I would keep hold of him.
Erm...i havn't posted on here for a while but though you would like to know that West Ham actually bid less (yes LESS) this time for the Yak, and unsuprisingly we told the Porno brothers where to go.
Just thought you'd like to know.
Just thought you'd like to know.
Be very careful what you wish for on this. After Henry ,the Yak is the highest goalscorer in the Premiership. At his best ,he is a fantastic frontman and goalscorer. Avram Grant is no dummy. Proven strikers are a rare commodity and an in form Yak is up there with the best. He had a horrific injury but looked a leaner fitter man during the WC. Guess we have to trust Moyes on this one. If he decides to keep him ,my bet is he will end up top scorer at the club next season.
All this loyalty stuff bemuses me, all I would like is for players to fulfill their contractual obligations to the full.
Currently it is them and their agents who rule the roost.
Even if a deal is struck with the hammers there is nothing we can do if the Yak does not want to go. He could, if he wished, sit out whats left on his current lucrative contract then go on a Bosman a la AVdM.
Currently it is them and their agents who rule the roost.
Even if a deal is struck with the hammers there is nothing we can do if the Yak does not want to go. He could, if he wished, sit out whats left on his current lucrative contract then go on a Bosman a la AVdM.
Be very careful what you wish for on this. After Henry ,the Yak is the highest goalscorer in the Premiership. At his best ,he is a fantastic frontman and goalscorer. Avram Grant is no dummy. Proven strikers are a rare commodity and an in form Yak is up there with the best. He had a horrific injury but looked a leaner fitter man during the WC. Guess we have to trust Moyes on this one. If he decides to keep him ,my bet is he will end up top scorer at the club next season.
Iain Smith. Really? how do you know?
To be honest its been a while since Yak has looked like a top class goalscorer. Maybe due to his injury, maybe due to something else...who knows.
If we could get £8-10m and put it towards a more mobile goalscorer (like Remy...possibly?) I would n't be displeased.
On the other hand i'd also be happy for him to stay and try to rediscover the form of two seasons ago.
To be honest its been a while since Yak has looked like a top class goalscorer. Maybe due to his injury, maybe due to something else...who knows.
If we could get £8-10m and put it towards a more mobile goalscorer (like Remy...possibly?) I would n't be displeased.
On the other hand i'd also be happy for him to stay and try to rediscover the form of two seasons ago.
If this happens it would be fantastic , whatever the fee.
Anything over £5 million just seems too good to be true.
Anything over £5 million just seems too good to be true.
The Yak - a player who constantly jogs and looks like he's eaten 15 McDonalds cheeseburgers before every game? That's a wierd way of showing loyalty.....
The Yak is lazy. I'll cheer if he scores but I'll cheer louder if we off-load him ASAP and bring in Donovan.
Saha may go down, but last I checked Cahill did pretty damn well playing striker in the past. And at least you know you get 100% out of him all the time.
If we bring in Crouch I'll puke. Storks don't make overly good footballers.
The Yak is lazy. I'll cheer if he scores but I'll cheer louder if we off-load him ASAP and bring in Donovan.
Saha may go down, but last I checked Cahill did pretty damn well playing striker in the past. And at least you know you get 100% out of him all the time.
If we bring in Crouch I'll puke. Storks don't make overly good footballers.
david barks, brilliant shout
Saha is injury prone so we can't rely on him to score goals and if the Yak goes we've got no other striker that is a proven goalscorer in the Premiership which is worrying. Why sell our best striker? Surely we should give him one more season, we don't need to sell him.
Iain #34,
There's rumours of a team in Italy who are on the lookout for such gems - although perhaps Palmero have just decided to diversify into the world of Candid Camera/You've Been Framed japery.
For the record I'd prefer to keep Osman
There's rumours of a team in Italy who are on the lookout for such gems - although perhaps Palmero have just decided to diversify into the world of Candid Camera/You've Been Framed japery.
For the record I'd prefer to keep Osman
David, I agree with you to an extent. But what if the move is better for the player as well as the club he is leaving. Yakubu will get more playing time at West Ham where they really need another striker.
To be honest it seems a straight choice between Yakubu or Donavon.
It's a fair shout about one way loyalty but to be honest we only want what's best for Everton. That's why we want Piennar to stay. So we need the cash for Donavon, then which player makes us a better team. It seems the Yak of three years ago has gone, whereas four years of Donavon can only take us to the next level.
Sometimes business is harsh but the club has to move on and this has always been a fact even before high wages and greedy agents began sucking the game dry. All that matters is Everton so if we sell to buy then it's to get a better player in, get it wrong more often and you end up like the RS, get it right and you end up like Davey Moyes.
It's a fair shout about one way loyalty but to be honest we only want what's best for Everton. That's why we want Piennar to stay. So we need the cash for Donavon, then which player makes us a better team. It seems the Yak of three years ago has gone, whereas four years of Donavon can only take us to the next level.
Sometimes business is harsh but the club has to move on and this has always been a fact even before high wages and greedy agents began sucking the game dry. All that matters is Everton so if we sell to buy then it's to get a better player in, get it wrong more often and you end up like the RS, get it right and you end up like Davey Moyes.
If Yak is really going to be sold and we really need another striker, why not Asamoah Gyan instead?
At the WC he shown he could hold the line up front on his own, is quick, hardworking and don't give up.
Just saying.
At the WC he shown he could hold the line up front on his own, is quick, hardworking and don't give up.
Just saying.
I've seen lots of comments as regards the Yak leaving but I for one don't want him to go because he gives the side something no other player at present gives us and that is he is strong and can hold up play till others arrive.
I've lost count of the times I sat fuming at Moyes for picking Saha in an away game when the ball came straight back at us because he couldn't hold it up. Yes Saha is quality on his day but with 30mins to go you need someone to relieve pressure up front and for me Yak is the only one plus he gets his fair share of goals. Anyway I would be sorry to see him leave.
Dick #45, in that case Gosling fulfilled his contract to the full, and Pienaar looks like he is about to also.
But if the Club sells the Yak then the CLUB are not fulfilling the contract to the full.
But if the Club sells the Yak then the CLUB are not fulfilling the contract to the full.
Brian(#40)
That poll was during the WC. It started off about 55/45 for the Yak to stay, and not surprisingly after his disastrous 'miss of the millenium' against S.Korea it slid to about 43/57 in favour of keeping him.
Which kind of proves my point - people are split on the issue. I must admit that miss was so bad I began questioning whether or not we should keep him myself, after previously being in favour of doing so.
I wonder if it affected DM's thinking as well....
That poll was during the WC. It started off about 55/45 for the Yak to stay, and not surprisingly after his disastrous 'miss of the millenium' against S.Korea it slid to about 43/57 in favour of keeping him.
Which kind of proves my point - people are split on the issue. I must admit that miss was so bad I began questioning whether or not we should keep him myself, after previously being in favour of doing so.
I wonder if it affected DM's thinking as well....
Yak for funds? Yay. But, Yak for Crouch??? Arrghh. How depressing!! And for 7 million. Yak will score more goals in a season that long streak of shit. And what kind of effect does his inclusion in our team have on our shape? Awful, awful...rumour!!
I agree that David Barks makes a really insightful point. I'm certainly guilty of that totally irrational and unfair sentiment: If you are Arteta and great, I want you to take a bullet for Everton. If you are a player like Yakuba and have hit a barren piece of form (you are coming back from injury, etc) and you seem expendable than fuck right off with you. Sell to anyone for anything.
Certainly a problematic and incoherent ethical system right there.
Certainly a problematic and incoherent ethical system right there.
One last point though...I interpret David Moyes statement that "we are not a selling club" as meaning that we don't sell players simply because we need to in order to buy. In other words, we don't throw people over the side of the ship to make room for what we consider better players.
But, we certainly sell if those folks want to move on.
IF we are selling Yak, I have a feeling he has indicated that he is happy to move on. If that is the case, then its not about loyalty. Its about a relationship ending amicably: both parties happy to part ways.
But, we certainly sell if those folks want to move on.
IF we are selling Yak, I have a feeling he has indicated that he is happy to move on. If that is the case, then its not about loyalty. Its about a relationship ending amicably: both parties happy to part ways.
I find it hard to believe that some of you guys are advocating selling theYak.If as it is claimed we are "nailed on"for a top four finish or as some crazy people claim we're going to win the league then surely we need a striker who we know is a proven premiership goal scorer.We all know that as good a player Saha can be then we also know we'll be lucky to get 15-20 full matches out of him next season.Add in to that Vaughn who's injury record is worse than Saha's,Anichebe who has only scored a handful of goals in five years and probably is viewed by the manager as a wide right player then that leaves with an unproven trio of Beckford,Silva an Gueye.The option of Cahill up front is fine but he isn't going to get us 20 goals from that postion.If we are serious about giving it a right good go this season then we need every available body we have.
Spot on Tony (57) The Yak is the only forward since Ferguson who can actually hold the ball up. As you have said, this is especially important on those tight away games where are defence is getting battered because it keeps on coming back to them with interest.
I think another reason to move the Yak on is the AFCON. He was a vital part of our team when we played Chelsea in the League Cup and after scoring a cracker away at their place and he was in fine form, we lost him for the home leg and then the following for a month, during which time he also went AWOL for a week. Earlier this year, Yak came back fatter than he went away during a crucial part of his rehabiliatation. I think had he been around during January, he'd have had a better chance of regaining his fitness. As crucial as the African Cup is to Africa, it disrupts Premier League teams especially as it's every 2 years rather than the 4 years for other continental tournaments.
So I'd be happy to move Yak on and get in a non-African replacement who isn't 3 stone overweight.
So I'd be happy to move Yak on and get in a non-African replacement who isn't 3 stone overweight.
I think people are getting confused with this loyalty thing, when a player signs for a club he knows the deal - whether it's a selling club or otherwise - they are buying them to do an exact job and that if he does that - making himself irreplaceable - then the club won't want to sell him.....
- If it's a money-bags club (e.g. Chelsea) and if you play like the Drogba's of this world then you win them too many games so they don't want you to go.
- If you are a selling club (e.g. when Middlesbourgh dropped to the Championship) and if you play like the Huths of this world (i.e. lazily!) you are sold in a way which benefits both parties, but if you play like the Wheater's or Adam Johnson's of this World they won't want to let you go.
- If you are a club in-between this (e.g. Us) and you play like the Arteta's, Lescott's, Jags's and Pienaar's of this world or play your heart out like the Hibbert's of this world then they don't want to let you go.
....if you can't be bothered moving for a ball, had one decent season, decided not to come from international duty on time when you felt like it and have (allegedly) duped the club about your age then what kind of loyalty are you showing the club?
Conversely, if a club is not making itself irreplaceable by treating you the best they can (e.g. not giving you medical attention when needed, or signing you then not giving you an opportunity to prove yourself. Looks like we were incredibly loyal to those Shylocks Gosling and Pienaar) then you have a right to show them no loyalty.
- If it's a money-bags club (e.g. Chelsea) and if you play like the Drogba's of this world then you win them too many games so they don't want you to go.
- If you are a selling club (e.g. when Middlesbourgh dropped to the Championship) and if you play like the Huths of this world (i.e. lazily!) you are sold in a way which benefits both parties, but if you play like the Wheater's or Adam Johnson's of this World they won't want to let you go.
- If you are a club in-between this (e.g. Us) and you play like the Arteta's, Lescott's, Jags's and Pienaar's of this world or play your heart out like the Hibbert's of this world then they don't want to let you go.
....if you can't be bothered moving for a ball, had one decent season, decided not to come from international duty on time when you felt like it and have (allegedly) duped the club about your age then what kind of loyalty are you showing the club?
Conversely, if a club is not making itself irreplaceable by treating you the best they can (e.g. not giving you medical attention when needed, or signing you then not giving you an opportunity to prove yourself. Looks like we were incredibly loyal to those Shylocks Gosling and Pienaar) then you have a right to show them no loyalty.
To be honest i am completely torn on this one. I love the Yak but i do think his best days are behind him. Right now i would sell Piennar and Yak for a combined sum of about £20m and for that get Bellamy, Donovan and Crouch. (but thats more fantasy football more than anything)
Just one point about Loyalty that has been mentioned. Didn't Yak come out and say he was close to leaving and joining Spurs just before his Achilies Injury. hardly sounds like he is desperate to stay.
Just one point about Loyalty that has been mentioned. Didn't Yak come out and say he was close to leaving and joining Spurs just before his Achilies Injury. hardly sounds like he is desperate to stay.
The Yak was out with a serious injury. It is well documented that it takes along time to recover from these types of injuries. Some players make quicker recoveries than others. Yak was taking awhile, like. BUT, at the end of last season he was starting to find his old form. That turn to set up Cahill against Blackburn was fantastic. More of that please. Agree with previous posters. Until we are sure that the new front men signings are going to be up to scratch, we should keep the Yak.
The Yak is the most natural goalscorer on our books. He's the only player we have who has a chance of bagging 20 a season and people want rid???
Yak would be the last of our strikers that I'd let go....
Yak would be the last of our strikers that I'd let go....
Unless we have a striker already almost signed then no way; apart from Saha, we have no proven goal scorer at this level. If he gets injured, then what?
If this was this time next year and Beckford had set the Premier League alight then you might say this would make sense, but it's not and so, apart from Saha, the Yak is the only other proven goalscorer on our books. However, if we have got either Bellamy or Remy to come in, then I'd say "Go for it".
Yakubu over Crouch any day. He 'only' scored eight goals last year? That would be the same year he was getting over what used to be a career ending injury. I would at least give him another year to find his feet again.
I'm not sure the point about loyalty - although a good one - really applies here. WHU would have already sounded out the Yak (via his agent) and wouldn't have bothered bidding for him unless he was interested in moving.
With the exception of Peter Beardsley he is the only striker we have had to score 20 goals a season since Gary Lineker and some people want to sell him. Still scores better than one in 3 for Everton.
Did anyone hear how much West Ham bid for him? 5 million pounds! I'd tell them to piss off, they value Carlton Cole at over 10 million and Yak is twice as good as him.
Apparently Moysie was on Alan Brazil's radio show this morning and said the Yak was going nowhere (words to that effect)
" With the strikers we now have on board"
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Who exactly?
The only proven striker we will have will be Saha - who is also a proven sicknote...It would be utterly daft to sell the Yak.
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Who exactly?
The only proven striker we will have will be Saha - who is also a proven sicknote...It would be utterly daft to sell the Yak.
Listening to Moyes on Talksport this morning I think he effectively said West Ham can have Yakubu but we paid a lot of money for him and we want it back.
I really like the Yak, statistically he's got a great record but to watch him strolling round the park is one of the most frustrating things going, though at times hilarious. I remember watching him from the stands in the Clattenberg game I think convinced he'd fallen asleep on his feet.
Personally, I think it's going to be a while before he really gets over his injury by which time I think even he will have to admit he's past it.
If they offer us £7m take it, if they offer double figures bite their hands off replacement or not.
Ciarán - I see you're still to get over your blind spot re: our "4th Striker". He's undoubtedly a proven striker, just not at this level. Throw Beckford in, sink or swim. I'm very confident he'd beat Yak to the end of the pool...
I really like the Yak, statistically he's got a great record but to watch him strolling round the park is one of the most frustrating things going, though at times hilarious. I remember watching him from the stands in the Clattenberg game I think convinced he'd fallen asleep on his feet.
Personally, I think it's going to be a while before he really gets over his injury by which time I think even he will have to admit he's past it.
If they offer us £7m take it, if they offer double figures bite their hands off replacement or not.
Ciarán - I see you're still to get over your blind spot re: our "4th Striker". He's undoubtedly a proven striker, just not at this level. Throw Beckford in, sink or swim. I'm very confident he'd beat Yak to the end of the pool...
No blind spot at all Mike...He is unproven at this level.. That's a fact.
He may be able to outswim the Yak..but this is not a gala.
He may be able to outswim the Yak..but this is not a gala.
Ciarán - you should never mix swimming with bingo...
Yak is a goal machine, selling him is madness. Simple as.
It's hard for any of us to know for sure just how fit and up for it the Yak is. Moyes is in the best position to judge, and if he sells him for £8m we can assume that the Yak is unlikely to recover his form. A fit Yak is worth a hell of a lot more than £8m.
Re his workrate - there's more than one type of striker, you don't have to run a million miles every game to be top drawer -huge workrate won't even necessarily make you a better player. Look at Rooney in the WC - ran his socks off all over the pitch, but was worse than useless anyway, partly because he was constantly out of position due to his workrate.
The Yak, when fit, is seriously excellent at two things: linking play and putting the ball in the net when it comes to him in any sort of decent position. He looked to me like he was getting back in form and fitness late last season and at the WC (that miss aside!), and personally I would be loathe to lose him now.
Re his workrate - there's more than one type of striker, you don't have to run a million miles every game to be top drawer -huge workrate won't even necessarily make you a better player. Look at Rooney in the WC - ran his socks off all over the pitch, but was worse than useless anyway, partly because he was constantly out of position due to his workrate.
The Yak, when fit, is seriously excellent at two things: linking play and putting the ball in the net when it comes to him in any sort of decent position. He looked to me like he was getting back in form and fitness late last season and at the WC (that miss aside!), and personally I would be loathe to lose him now.
Two little ducks?
Never heard of a swimming gala then Mike?...or was bingo the first thing that came up when you 'googled it'?
I wouldn't be bothered if the Yak doesn't run round like a demented prick as long as he stiil has that goalscorer instinct and finishing ability when we create the chances for him. Wouldn't it be nice if we played some quality football and "let the ball do the work" as they say.
Wouldn't touch Crouch with a barge pole. Good player that he is, he'll have no re-sale value whatsoever in a year or two because he's played for so many teams, there'd be no-one left to buy him!
Only sell the Yak if you can be certain you're going to get a proven goalscorer to replace him.
Only sell the Yak if you can be certain you're going to get a proven goalscorer to replace him.
Matthew Tait: I agree that there is more than one type of striker and that Yakubu is the last piece of the jigsaw for so many teams, but not us.
Tottenham, Man Utd, Arsenal and Real are teams that can get away with having a player who just sits in the box and who's only job is to stick the ball in the net when it's laid on a plate for them.
However due (wrongly) to our defenders (even Johnny) we require a striker who can win punts (or in Johnny's case 'high perfectly placed arrows') up the park as well as help create opportunities which Yak just isn't willing to jump or run for (I remember one occasion against Fulham at Goodison ? just before his injury ? in particular).
He did jump and run for the balls (obviously not simultaneously, that would be called skipping! ;) ) for a few months when Moyes publicly gave him a rocket up the arse, but that effort soon disappeared.
Tottenham, Man Utd, Arsenal and Real are teams that can get away with having a player who just sits in the box and who's only job is to stick the ball in the net when it's laid on a plate for them.
However due (wrongly) to our defenders (even Johnny) we require a striker who can win punts (or in Johnny's case 'high perfectly placed arrows') up the park as well as help create opportunities which Yak just isn't willing to jump or run for (I remember one occasion against Fulham at Goodison ? just before his injury ? in particular).
He did jump and run for the balls (obviously not simultaneously, that would be called skipping! ;) ) for a few months when Moyes publicly gave him a rocket up the arse, but that effort soon disappeared.
So we need a proven goalscorer to replace the guy with the best scoring record currently playing in the Premier League???
Crouch doesn't score enough goals is less mobile than the Yak and the temptation with him up front will prove too much for our back four to just launch it.
We don't need a forward who will run his nuts off for a mis placed ball, that was one of the things that started to annoy me last season when he started almost playing on the wing with the AJ type punts into the corner.
I don't care if he is lazy, it's the midfields job to put the ball where the Yak can do the most damage. He is our most natural goalscorer, look at when he did miss that sitter in the World Cup, he had the balls to take the penalty. Forwards who are up themselves is what we need. That miss could have crippled another players confidence, not the big fat Yak, waddles up and slots.
"Feed the Yak and he will score", not "boot the ball into a corner and hope he will suddenly turn into Henry and swan passed three players and slot" The words are the song are a clue to that. Give him the ball infront of goal and watch him usually dispatch it.
I don't care if he is lazy, it's the midfields job to put the ball where the Yak can do the most damage. He is our most natural goalscorer, look at when he did miss that sitter in the World Cup, he had the balls to take the penalty. Forwards who are up themselves is what we need. That miss could have crippled another players confidence, not the big fat Yak, waddles up and slots.
"Feed the Yak and he will score", not "boot the ball into a corner and hope he will suddenly turn into Henry and swan passed three players and slot" The words are the song are a clue to that. Give him the ball infront of goal and watch him usually dispatch it.
If it means selling the Yak for Crouch no chance. I wouldn't even sell Anchivi for that RS Lanky tosser.
Oi... Crouch... No!
"I don't care if he is lazy, it's the midfields job to put the ball where the Yak can do the most damage"
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With you on that one Tony. It annoys me when the Yak gets slated for not tracking back or being lazy - have these people actually seen what he does with the ball when he tracks back - he'll inevitably try to dribble the ball around an opposing player on teh half way line - and lose it...
He's a liability when he drops back - Moyes should realise that. Shoulder of the last defender...ball in the back of the net.
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With you on that one Tony. It annoys me when the Yak gets slated for not tracking back or being lazy - have these people actually seen what he does with the ball when he tracks back - he'll inevitably try to dribble the ball around an opposing player on teh half way line - and lose it...
He's a liability when he drops back - Moyes should realise that. Shoulder of the last defender...ball in the back of the net.
Bellamy?
Is crying for a game..
Is crying for a game..
Bellamy?
Nasty little gobshite who is poison at every club he's at. We're well away from that one.
Nasty little gobshite who is poison at every club he's at. We're well away from that one.
Ha ha!!
At least he'd be OUR gobshite though!
Listening to Moyes this morning, he seemed to be up for the idea of selling Yak ? for the right price (£9 million).
Be sad to see him go, but I think he may have worked for Grant at Maccabi & Pompey before, so I'm guessing it may happen.
We'd definitely need a quick replacement though. Pavlyuchenko for £7 million a possibility, perhaps? Be good for Bily too...
Easy this football manager lark!
At least he'd be OUR gobshite though!
Listening to Moyes this morning, he seemed to be up for the idea of selling Yak ? for the right price (£9 million).
Be sad to see him go, but I think he may have worked for Grant at Maccabi & Pompey before, so I'm guessing it may happen.
We'd definitely need a quick replacement though. Pavlyuchenko for £7 million a possibility, perhaps? Be good for Bily too...
Easy this football manager lark!
I'm not saying Yak should track back and run to the corners (because - as you say Ciarán - the doesn't always end well), I'm saying Yak is the perfect goal scoring striker, but to have 1 of them you need....
a) a midfield capable of laying it on a plate for him AND....
b) a defence that gives the ball to the midfield so they can lay it on a plate for him
....and we only have "a)" at present.
(I considered Jags our player of the year 2 years ago and Moyes has always found defenders who can do a fantastic job of stopping us conceding, but he finds these 'Gems' cheap because they tend to be lacking in brains when on the ball)
I just don't see how you can play Yakubu and any 2 of our 3 'punt up the park' defenders at the same time.
a) a midfield capable of laying it on a plate for him AND....
b) a defence that gives the ball to the midfield so they can lay it on a plate for him
....and we only have "a)" at present.
(I considered Jags our player of the year 2 years ago and Moyes has always found defenders who can do a fantastic job of stopping us conceding, but he finds these 'Gems' cheap because they tend to be lacking in brains when on the ball)
I just don't see how you can play Yakubu and any 2 of our 3 'punt up the park' defenders at the same time.
Tommy Gourlay - spot on. I nearly used that moment as an example but didnt because I thought it was on his return from injury and gave him the benefit of the doubt. He lost the ball by the right hand corner flag to (Danny Murphy..?) and just wandered after him watching him run up the field with it! I nearly put the tele through the window, it was scandalous.
I guess we're in a win/win to be honest. Seems like if he goes Moyes is going to hold out for some proper money, if WHM dont have it we've got a Yak in the squad which cant hurt.
I'm with Kev Hudson also - put an arm around the little man and set him on the opposition. Imagine what he'd be like in a derby game! Bloody horrible!
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I guess we're in a win/win to be honest. Seems like if he goes Moyes is going to hold out for some proper money, if WHM dont have it we've got a Yak in the squad which cant hurt.
I'm with Kev Hudson also - put an arm around the little man and set him on the opposition. Imagine what he'd be like in a derby game! Bloody horrible!
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Tom you say we need a midfield capable of feeding the Yak so you don't agree with some of the posters on here telling us with have the best midfield in the league? Agree with your assessment of the back four, good solid defenders but football wise not the most cultured if it contains Neville/Hibbert, Jagielka and Distin/Yobo. Could this be the season Rodwell could slot into the back four and give us this footballing centre-half option?
Good shout on Pavlyuchenko Kevin #97
Underused at spurs, but shown he is a good player.
Will score, but also has the ability to link up with the midfield. Crouch on the other hand does not. His link up play is woeful, while he may get the odd goal, we need more from a striker.
I dream of us bidding for Lukaku.
Underused at spurs, but shown he is a good player.
Will score, but also has the ability to link up with the midfield. Crouch on the other hand does not. His link up play is woeful, while he may get the odd goal, we need more from a striker.
I dream of us bidding for Lukaku.
Definitely Mike - he terrorizes defenders,and wins a lot of free kicks. Knows where the goal is,has brute pace to boot and also respects Moyes.
I've always liked him. In an age where players have elevated vapid, monosyllabic answering into an art form, Bellamy tells it like it is.
Everton could do with someone who crosses the white line with a knife between their teeth...
I've always liked him. In an age where players have elevated vapid, monosyllabic answering into an art form, Bellamy tells it like it is.
Everton could do with someone who crosses the white line with a knife between their teeth...
Agreed Fran.Think Roman's one of those players frequently needing the arm around the shoulder. Latterly improved under Harry.
If we're speculating on possible replacements..then it has been rumoured (ummmmmm, I know!)...that Wenger was willing to let Eduardo go for around 7 mill...
I'd love to see a striker of Eduardo's flair playing off Arteta and co..
Wouldn't be too unhappy if Mike's suggestion of Bellamy was a goer either. Not a big fan of Pav though!
I'd love to see a striker of Eduardo's flair playing off Arteta and co..
Wouldn't be too unhappy if Mike's suggestion of Bellamy was a goer either. Not a big fan of Pav though!
It appears I may have wildly over - valued Yak earlier,as reports have it West Ham have come back with a £5million offer.
Seems a bit paltry,doesn't it?
One thing baffles me: Why bid lower when £6 million has already been declined?
Is it their "understanding," that we're desperate to sell,or Yak's desperate to go,and therefore feel they have us over a barrel?
Feels odd this one.
Seems a bit paltry,doesn't it?
One thing baffles me: Why bid lower when £6 million has already been declined?
Is it their "understanding," that we're desperate to sell,or Yak's desperate to go,and therefore feel they have us over a barrel?
Feels odd this one.
Anthony Hughes - I DO think we have one of the best midfields in the EPL, that's why I said "we we only have 'a)' at present." after I listed the 2 things we needed in order to feed a palyer like the Yak (I.E. we only have "a midfield capable of laying it on a plate for him" which is irrelevant when the ball bypasses them 15 meters above on it's way up-front)
Hasn't Eduardo already signed for someone? For 6 million too. I would too have loved his signing.
Bellamy is a great player. Wrong age, high wages, but a great player. I don't buy into this 'he's a gobshite' talk. Of course he is, and so are 99% of prefessional football players. Bellamy is however, good quality gobshite.
Robbie Keane is also a good player who's had a bad couple of seasons. AT 30 not a Moyes signing, but a good player.
If we were to sign a stiker however, it is going to have to be player who has had a bad time of things recently, otherwise we wouldnt be able to afford them. So with that logic, might aswell keep Yakubu.
I'm neither for or against Yakubu going. He could get goals, me might continue his decline. Its a wait and see issue, as none of us have seen him in training we cant really give a valid view on how he will perform this season. Whoever replaced him would also be out-of-sorts to some extent.
Bellamy is a great player. Wrong age, high wages, but a great player. I don't buy into this 'he's a gobshite' talk. Of course he is, and so are 99% of prefessional football players. Bellamy is however, good quality gobshite.
Robbie Keane is also a good player who's had a bad couple of seasons. AT 30 not a Moyes signing, but a good player.
If we were to sign a stiker however, it is going to have to be player who has had a bad time of things recently, otherwise we wouldnt be able to afford them. So with that logic, might aswell keep Yakubu.
I'm neither for or against Yakubu going. He could get goals, me might continue his decline. Its a wait and see issue, as none of us have seen him in training we cant really give a valid view on how he will perform this season. Whoever replaced him would also be out-of-sorts to some extent.
Are West Ham having a laugh?
"£6m."
"No."
"£5m....?"
"£6m."
"No."
"£5m....?"
Eduardo signed for Shakhtar last month for undisclosed fee thought to be £6m. Missed a trick there. Good player, would've been a good signing.
It would have been a good signing but if it was £6million we wouldn't have stood a chance,we're brassic as usual.
Yeah Ciarán, Shakhtar signed Eduardo near the end of last month.. and for only 6 mill.. he would have been a great shout for us. Although Wenger doesnt often make too many mistakes selling players on. Maybe he know more about Eduardos injury.
Maybe WH will come in with an improved offer of £4 million..
Sorry didnt realise everyone else had pointed out Eduardo had moved to Shakhtar..
Eduardo signed for Shakhtar last month for undisclosed fee thought to be £6m
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We've had a near miss with Senderos, he's gone and done his achilles in and is out for six months, talking of the Yak.
I would not sell the Yak. Saha is too injury prone, as is Vaughan, add to that Saha is another year older now. Beckford, Joao Silva and Gueye are untried and or young/inexperienced, while Big Vic will probably spend more time on the right wing. Taking that into account no one else has the potential to bag 20 goals next season.
He has one of the most proven scoring records in the league and has been getting over a horrible horrible injury, a genuine career threatener. I dont care if he doesnt track back much or run around like a headless AJ, if he gets back to his best and bangs in 20+ goals next season then I would be more than happy. In order for that to happen I think he needs a run of consecutive games. He is the kind of player who will score in runs, 10 in 15 straight games but if he plays 15 games in and out he may only get 5-8. The more you play him the more he will score. Despite that miss for Nigeria I would want a chance that fell in the 90th min to fall to him out of every player we have. And for all those mentioning that miss and calling for Landons return, rember Spurs away?
He has one of the most proven scoring records in the league and has been getting over a horrible horrible injury, a genuine career threatener. I dont care if he doesnt track back much or run around like a headless AJ, if he gets back to his best and bangs in 20+ goals next season then I would be more than happy. In order for that to happen I think he needs a run of consecutive games. He is the kind of player who will score in runs, 10 in 15 straight games but if he plays 15 games in and out he may only get 5-8. The more you play him the more he will score. Despite that miss for Nigeria I would want a chance that fell in the 90th min to fall to him out of every player we have. And for all those mentioning that miss and calling for Landons return, rember Spurs away?
Very difficult to assess if we would miss him but it would be money in the bank which does open the door to another quality signing.This season is a defining moment for the likes of Anichebe and Vaughan. With little or no production from these 2 then move them out permanently along with Osman.We will not break into the top 4 with inconsistant performers.The new guys will be eager to impress so give them plenty of substantial playing time (not 5 minutes as a substitute)
I dont want the Yak to run 200 yards all season, I just want him to bury his guarenteed 20 a season. Which he had the confidence to guarentee in his first season and would have done comfortably in his second but for injury.
Sky have reported his record as 52 in 92 starts and the Echo are saying Wham have bid 7.5m.
I will admit though I did think is he finished after that miss.
Sky have reported his record as 52 in 92 starts and the Echo are saying Wham have bid 7.5m.
I will admit though I did think is he finished after that miss.
Stephen ? Yak scored 5 goals in 17 appearances in his 2nd season. That's not on course for a comfortable 20, more like a steady 10. I think that's his level now too.
Mike,
we were starting to find our form a bit around the time we played Spurs. IMO the Yak was one of better player's in a very poor start. I've no way of knowing if he will be the player he was, I can only say the only thing he relies on is his instinct, so hopefully he will be the player he was for us. If he is then he's much better than some other's mentioned.
we were starting to find our form a bit around the time we played Spurs. IMO the Yak was one of better player's in a very poor start. I've no way of knowing if he will be the player he was, I can only say the only thing he relies on is his instinct, so hopefully he will be the player he was for us. If he is then he's much better than some other's mentioned.
Fair enough Stephen, I guess thats why this thread is running and running. We've no idea how bad the injury will have affected him so I guess its wait and see....
Seemingly the Yak is now valued at £1-2M down from £5M. This just gets more silly by the minute.
If there's any truth in this business about a lower offer for the Yak, it's would be a worrying sign. One explanation could be that the Hammers have somehow got wind that Yak's recovery is looking more doubtful or that he really wants out of the club. But given the dubious sources for these figures, who knows what's going on.
Chairman David Sullivan said on Wednesday night: ?We have cooled on Yakubu. When you have a good hard look at him, we want younger and quicker and better.
"Everything has a price. You want to get Yakubu for £1-2 million and they are quoting £8 million and that is far too much.
?They have to be more realistic. If they said £1-2m we might go back. We bid more at the start of the summer because we had more flexibility but, at this moment in time, having spent some of our money on other players we want him for £1-2m.?
What a ridiculous man.
"Everything has a price. You want to get Yakubu for £1-2 million and they are quoting £8 million and that is far too much.
?They have to be more realistic. If they said £1-2m we might go back. We bid more at the start of the summer because we had more flexibility but, at this moment in time, having spent some of our money on other players we want him for £1-2m.?
What a ridiculous man.
If we get £8M or £9M for the Yak, I'd snap their hands off! I'd take Pavlechenko or for me Pogrebnyak (spelling?). As for Bellamy, he only kicks off cos the ones he's playing with don't pull their weight or give 100% ? that wouldn't happen with us!
Sullivan quoting £1-2 million for Yak? I thought his whole business model was based on the larger the size the greater the value.
Sullivan ? a twat of a man, the way he treated Zola.
Just one more chairman/manager that Moyes will think twice about dealing with again.
So Sullivan wants Yak for £1 - 2 Million.
What a completely derisory offer and what a cheap club he is turning West Ham into. I do feel sorry for their fans.
What sort of message is this to the player that West Ham has been hunting all Summer? "We want you but we think you are old and knackered and therefore not worth that much at all."
It is a real shame for Yak and for Everton as this could have worked out well. On the one hand Yak gets a fresh start, on the other hand we get to invest in a fresh face and perhaps younger striker and West Ham would hope that Grant can get the best out of the man he managed at Maccabi Haifa all those years ago.
Instead Sullivan reveals himself to be the cheap, nasty, disrespectful fucker that we all suspected him to be.
What a completely derisory offer and what a cheap club he is turning West Ham into. I do feel sorry for their fans.
What sort of message is this to the player that West Ham has been hunting all Summer? "We want you but we think you are old and knackered and therefore not worth that much at all."
It is a real shame for Yak and for Everton as this could have worked out well. On the one hand Yak gets a fresh start, on the other hand we get to invest in a fresh face and perhaps younger striker and West Ham would hope that Grant can get the best out of the man he managed at Maccabi Haifa all those years ago.
Instead Sullivan reveals himself to be the cheap, nasty, disrespectful fucker that we all suspected him to be.
£1-2M... what a fucking stupid statement to make. I supose they would like to pay him in biltong as well, good luck.
That is unbelievable stuff from Sullivan. What a tosspot! And to attempt to negotiate the figure in public as well.....OK he's really saying we'll give you £4m, but he can get on his bike....DM won't be selling the Yak at that price!
Disrespectful tosser.
Disrespectful tosser.
What a prick! Who gives a good god-damn fuck what he wants? Jesus Christ, is his own personal preference the only standard by which this imbecile measures reality?
£1-2mill?
Aye Ok...
Aye Ok...
To value a player, who is one of the most consistent scorers in the premier league for the last 5 years, at £1-2m is a piss take. I think he just wants to wind people up.
Yak is 27, not old, granted he had a poor season last year due to injury but it is a FACT that if he plays 30-40 games, you can bank on 20-25 goals. Look at his stats.
That horrible little fuckin hatchet harry midget pervert can stick of of his dildo's up his own arse for £1-2m.
I know wanking makes you blind but fuck me ..... the porn prince is fuckin delusional as well!!!
Yak is 27, not old, granted he had a poor season last year due to injury but it is a FACT that if he plays 30-40 games, you can bank on 20-25 goals. Look at his stats.
That horrible little fuckin hatchet harry midget pervert can stick of of his dildo's up his own arse for £1-2m.
I know wanking makes you blind but fuck me ..... the porn prince is fuckin delusional as well!!!
The more i read this the more angry it makes me. Its just plain insulting to the club and especially to the Yak.
And coming from a club that values Carlton Cole at £20m?!!
It actually borders on the absurd.
And coming from a club that values Carlton Cole at £20m?!!
It actually borders on the absurd.
Just read the article on the Daily Telegraph with that nonce David Sullivan for us to be more realistic!!
They value the Yak at £1-2 million. Are they drunk?! I know he hasn't been on form for a while mainly due to an injury but a guy with his scoring record at £1-2 million?
I am absolutely glad we're not selling him now.
Does anyone know why West Ham would think such a ridiculous value for him? Is he on the last year of his contract or something?
Throw in a copy of "Asian Babes" and we'll think about it..
Maybe Trevor Francis is still going for that price might be a better option for the horrible little bastard?
Sullivan seems so utterly imbecile it borders on the absurd, so pherhaps we can expext an £18m offer tomorrow. Watch this space! :-p
Younger, Quicker, Better... all for under £2m? What a tosser.
Suimanjani has just had a work permit turned down. Hope every other club holds Sullivan to ransom, and if they do offer good money for the Yak, tell them it will cost them £1-2 m more.
Don't want to blow my own trumpet but i'm going to anyway...post number 46
What better way for Moyes to motivate the Yak than saying, 'Look, this tool at West Ham thinks you're only worth £1 or 2 million, prove him he's wrong'.
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