David Moyes brought stability and success to Everton

There's a free gag in there about a horse's ass for the Moyes boys.

Hopefully Moyes is up to the task, but some words of caution. Unlike Sir Alex's cavalier attitude, David is much more conservative in his approach. He tends to leave promising young players languishing in the reserves. Remember he wrapped Rooney in cotton wool, but when he went to Man Utd, he was a regular in the first team as soon as he arrived.

When we take an early lead, we never go for the jugular like Man Utd always do. Nothing more boring than watching ten players desperately packing the penalty area for 85 minutes trying to hold a 1-0 lead.

He certainly bought some class players: Arteta, Baines and Fellaini... but also brought in some real duds: Beattie and Van der Meyde especially.

I wish Dave well... just hoping he loses at least two games next season.

"Everton had finished in the top 10 only once in the decade before his arrival. Under Moyes they have been fourth, fifth twice, sixth once, seventh three times and eighth, and are about to end above Liverpool for the second successive season."

There is certainly a significant question as to at what point improvement and, particularly, simple maintenance of position, has to stop being classed as success. Some of the expectation that leads to the criticism of Moyes is expectation that he himself created.

Let's face it, the discussion about Moyes on ToffeeWeb primarily ends up being stated in purely black and white terms. The fact that *everyone* can cite statistics to back up their argument suggests that it's far more of a grey area.

I would say that significant league improvement and consistently stable league performances is relative success. Only relatively, and not glamorous, but still "success".

So anyone who wins a cup will be in League Two in three years Roberto?

We may be the 4th most successful club in England, but the Royal Engineers and Old Etonians are top ten FA Cup teams of all time. So what? Syria and Iran used to be the centre of the world's civilisations. Things have changed in world politics, and so they have in English football.

Everton's past will not win it trophies. Money talks. Everton earn £80 million a year. Spurs and Liverpool £150 million, Arsenal and Chelsea over £200 million, and United over £300 million. Newcastle, Villa and probably soon enough West Ham earn more than we do.

Achieving what Moyes has was a success. The world laughs at the Evertonian who complains: Moyes took us as far as he could. I fear it is Everton took Moyes as far as we could.

I hope I'm wrong. And someone can come in to build on what he created for us. But as long as we play at Goodison, and are unable to attract fans outside our hinterland - one of the poorest in Britain by the way - that's gonna be a massive task.

Get a grip and look where we were before Moyes. bottom six almost every for ten years; now top six almost every year. Success. And yes, I want cups, too. I just don't pretend it was Moyes' fault we don't have any. I live in the real world, one where Moyes will be winning trophies from now on.

I guess we have each our way of defining success, that's a honest thing.
Yes I appreciate that Moyes took us out of the bottom, and made us stable upper half team. And I liked his way he could make gold from rocks with the players.
What I didn't like is when he came here, he talked about how he loved giving the youth a chance and he liked working to develop the youth. Something I seldom saw the later years.
And he did make Everton into a "ALMOST TEAM". Almost qualify for CL, almost reaching EL, almost winning the FA-cup.
So I will say Moyes ALMOST brought success to this club.