Reports: Everton make improved offer for Ché Adams

Maupay scored loads in the Championship a few years back. We get to test Adam’s for ‘free’ and Maypay gets free of his Everton nightmare.

Win win….

Bigger, stonger, faster and can strike a ball and win a header.

As said above wish it was a straight swap to offload Maupay off the wage bill.

I pray this is utter rubbish. I refuse to believe out of all the targets available Che Adams was the only one we could get.

He may be a bit of a workhorse but he doesn't score goals. We don't need someone who can just hold the ball up we need goals in the team. An utter waste of our transfer budget and wages. It's the Maupay deal all over again.

Fuck
Off
Kenwright

And Btw - Thelwell and the Everton scouting system… do us all a favour and fuck off too you useless shower of pricks. Nothing has improved one bit.

Brighton and bust fucking Hove Albion who didn’t even have a ground a few years ago are making you munchkins look like a proper bunch of overpaid turkeys. Just do one the lot of you. Amateurs.

Surely Maupay plus less cash would be possible if this is all we can do?

There are better options out there. They may be a risk being from a foreign league but i'd rather we take a risk than buying a player that we already know can't hack it.

It’s the mentality of the club that’s the problem.

Darren 3 - My heart sank when I read that this is way down the list, because it absolutely is. That's worrying.

Our scouting team haven't found anyone better for 12m that will come to us in world football...

All Thelwell. He's been after Che Adams for about 3 managers. If I'm honest, I have been quite surprised with our activity this window in a positive way. I feared the worst for our budget after bringing in Young. But, points don't start after deadline day. There's not showing your hand and then theirs showing where we're willing to stoop.

Our search for a striker of decent ability isn't helped by a terrible start to the league.

I do have a tough time jumping on board the argument that saving the money and going with Cannon or some unknown from France is the answer. If we did that and it failed we’d all be screaming that we didn’t bring in an experienced proven 2nd rate player from the PL or Championship.

Or that we didn’t at least give the corpse of Che Guevara a shot.

Thelwell ought to know that better than anyone. He worked here.

Che Guevara definitely deserves a shot the Argentine Lukaku. How was your trip to Canada? We had a great time up on Lake Superior East of your domain but no UFOs or Big foot :(

Mike, genuinely curious the names of the strikers whom you’d get from over here who are significantly better than Adams. And of those, would you actually advocate for them or just that they’d be better buys in that hypothetical? I assume Brandon Vasquez is one — who else? I wouldn’t take Ferreira just like I think Pepi’s move to Europe was premature. I don’t follow Liga MX.

It isn’t the flashy name we all wanted as the striker signing but if it means we have more remaining money to finish the gnonto deal or another explosive winger then so be it.

Plus his middle name is Everton so it’s meant to be 😂🤦🏻‍♂️.

If the answer to all is yes then he meets all Everton's criteria, Merseyside Penny Pinchers. Will we avoid relegation? Are we aiming for anything more?

As usual, we seem utterly fixated on the idea of "Premier League experience" as if that's served us so well in recent years.

It's not just Thelwell. Dyche has some say in transfers. As others have said, Cannon should be given his head and save the money if needs be.

This smacks of desperation. Maupay ain't going anywhere as he is shit so we don't need 2 shit back-ups.

Spot on there, it smacks of Maupay again, not good stats too.

Someone said he will work hard, we don't need that we need someone who will score goals. Maupay works hard.

If he starts missing chances like Maupay did Saturday then its another player on a three or four contract we have to put up with.

No doubt it'll be musical chairs time come deadline day.

I'm not going to be too harsh - yet - but I suspect Thelwell and Dyche have strict financial boxes to tick...or in their case, not tick.
We won't be buying any top shelf £150 single malt, but if you shop around sometimes you can pick up a decent drop for a reasonable price when it's on special.

We’re strapped for cash and have FFP considerations: we have very little room for manoeuvre.

Whilst Adams isn’t an inspiring signing, he’s a definite upgrade on Maupay, suits Dyche’s system and fills a problematic position if/when DCL can’t play: signing no one is not an option.

I’m hardly buzzing at the prospect BUT I think Che will do a job and help keep us away from the dreaded trap door: we simply can’t afford to circle the drain again

Yes it’s unambitious but needs must right now and I for one wholly support this transfer.

Tosun
Sandro
Kean
Rondon
Maupay

Cost = £66 million

Total goals = 13

This is the reason we are in such a mess - recruitment. Che Adams will fit in perfectly on the list above. Yet another striker who doesn’t know where the back of the net is…

Is 27 and will have little to zero resale value in 3 years time - check.

Is Premier league proven. No he isn't. He's proven that he doesn't have the attributes to succeed in the Premier League, with Everton yet again after a non goalscoring centre-forward to add to our history of shit strikers.

Not content with spaffing £13m on Neal Maupay, we now want to spend another £12m on a similar version. So that's £25m to be squandered on shite, and the same again on wages. I bet the rest of the Premier League must be fearing these deadly duds.

I am sure there will be some happy fucking clappers that will be cheering it to the hilt. 'Oh ive heard him, and "always liked him", great little signing. You idiots, hes shite. There were 10 free transfers better than him. I'd go do far as say Cannon would out score him over a season and wouldn't cost anything like what we are looking to squander.

The same idiots that celebrated Maupay last summer, who think having a pulse is enough to succeed in the Epl. It'll take a good 2 years before they want him moved on as not being good enough.

Get lost, Thelwell and you happy clappers.

The main solution to our striking woes appears to be focused on getting DCL fully fit, and Adams + Chermiti offer alternatives when DCL needs rest or should he get injured.

In some ways a smart move, one 26 year old 'PL ready ' striker, still room to improve but ready to play, but also likely to accept not being a guaranteed starter. The other a 19 year old with lots of potential but requires time and patience.

But not exciting.

But equally, we don't need excitement right now, we just need to build a team/squad capable of finishing 13th.

A truly ridiculous bit of transfer business which has the hallmarks of Maupay Mk 2. It seems like Thelwell wanted the likes of Toure and Etikite but had thought that Adams could do a job before and Dyche wanted a striker with Premier League experience like Weghorst and both have probably compromised. Neither will want ownership if it goes tits up.

Even so, why a permanent transfer rather than a loan as surely this would be a stop-gap signing? Spending a high chunk of our budget on a player who is not fit for purpose, is probably not an upgrade on Danjuma, Simms or Cannon playing that role, and will also arguably ensure the likes of Cannon and Dobbin have a further barrier to first team football, makes this an unbelievably bad decision.

I was hoping we were making progress this window when I seen names linked and the signings made as I had seen a semblance of a strategy. This has fucking infuriated me and left me exacerbated. Groundhog Day.

I don't know a lot about this player even if he does end up at Everton.

Adrian Heath from Stoke was 5ft-6in. Tim Cahill from Millwall was 5ft-10in. "Tiny Tim" wasn’t too bad at getting on the end of the odd cross or corner.

All speculation so no point getting excited or frustrated about it.

Happy clappers. Love that one aimed at fellow supporters. I guess you are more of one of those who used to stand outside the ground with those placards declaring the end is nigh.

Apologies, if you give it, you get it back.

Let's see. Not even an Everton player as it stands, so I don't understand the outburst at Everton supporters.

And to think there's plenty on here that think Thelwell is doing a good job, then again he thinks so himself.

If he's not filling the squad with wingers, he's thinking "Yeah, Maupay and Adams are both proven Premier League players."

Hope this is nonsense but I fear it isn't.

Struggling to score goals and these clowns are looking at no-marks like him.

Embarrassing. We're heading one way and one way only.

It should be noted that despite being small of stature Che Adams (like Tim Cahill) wins more than his fair share of aerial duels. He’s much more experienced and effective than Maupay at playing the single striker role and as such is a much better fit for our team despite not necessarily being a better player overall.

In terms of some of the players linked (Daka, Iheanacho etc) Adams is stylistically the most suited to do a similar job to DCL. Beto would have been good but we don’t have £30m to spend on someone who is only a slightly better goalscorer than Adams.

I still hope that this isn’t true, that there might be a more inspiring deal to be had but if it does happen I think he’ll do a better job than Maupay and will give Dyche a fair amount of what he needs from a striker.

Thelwell needs the sack.

The mistake that was made last summer in buying Onana, rather than an out-and-out striker, is coming home to roost —again. This would also explain why Dyche is so minded to ensure that, when Calvert-Lewin returns, he does so fully fit and with the player having no excuse for not performing to a good level.

If Calvert-Lewin was unable to perform and perform regularly, it wouldn't be the likes of Ché Adams that Everton were chasing, but no ambitious striker is coming to Goodison to play second fiddle to the established Number 9.

The window isn't closed right now, but don't be looking at the glamorous catalogues with the expensive high performance vehicles… Nip round to Joe's and see what he has on his lot, that is where we are as a club, and no amount of angst and anger will alter that fact.

Ché Adams scored and assisted (combined) more than DCL, Maupay and Simms combined. He's scored as many as Simms and Maupay got between them last season already this season!!!

The only Everton players with more goal contributions last season where Iwobi (1 more) and McNeil (2 more) – both of whom played virtually every game.

Here's the kicker. Ché Adams started 23 games last season. 15 games less than Iwobi.

I'm not saying he's an amazing signing but, when you don't score goals and sign two players who were more productive than your current squad in the previous season, then you improve your squad??

We're struggling to convince players to come to us, teams to sell to us and accept our terms etc.

We knew it would be hard and it would take time. We all said surviving was the most important thing this season. Like it or not, these signings improve our chances of surviving.

Obviously we need another striker before the end of August, but this really does reek of desperation to get a body in.

Also, I can't believe we would pay £12M for him.

Do we never learn?

Very uninspiring choice but it's where we are at. Trust me, he is actually a decent player. The ball sticks to him at least, even if he is not the target man we all want. He is an upgrade on Maupay in everyway and I believe he has enough to become a bit of a crowd favourite (providing we don't chase him into the hills with our pitchforks).

He is not however what we need I feel, it is lazy to just compare him to Maupay because of height. Thelwell wanted him at the beginning of his tenure and right at a time where his all round game started to improve. Adams had a really good start to the season last year but tailed off. I've seen him play live a couple of times and thought he was a handful.

So for me it's a reserved and tentative acceptance whilst looking longingly at Beto, El-Bilal and the likes. He won't be a disaster signing like Maupay. Piroe has a high ceiling but is a bigger risk.

He’s the same height as Ian Wright.

And Adolf Hitler.

What’s the point in banging on about height? He’s bigger than Messi but smaller than Peter Crouch, what does it matter?

Like I said. Not what we want but there is logic in this signing.

Adams is probably an upgrade on Maupay, we need DCL fit and playing the majority of the 38 games this year.

Having a system player is great but when the system doesn’t equate to goals it’s utterly pointless as was shown against Fulham. People defended the signing of Maupay last year when the stats proved he’s not a clinical striker.

The Marcus bent comparisons are the best way to look at it. If his job is bring others into the game then brilliant. Who scores enough goals to keep us up then?

Based off the way we played last week it’s not even a threat in the air we need nor a hold up player. It’s a lad to finish off chances. We may be in an unfavourable position but Che Adams offers absolutely nothing that we currently need. It’s a waste of money and in January we’ll all be saying we need a striker…..again.

Adams may not be first choice but signing him is better than doing nothing. He is a very hard grafter at least.

I’m told they rate him highly but don’t think he’s ready for the PL yet which makes so much sense. 38 games this year in the championship gets him ready for the PL the next year.

Si, I'm not a happy clapper (whatever the hell that means) but I am a realist. It's not football manager and if you were a player choosing between us and Europa cup winning, London based club West Ham (for example) who would you choose?

Sadly what we've all known to be true for years and years is now common knowledge, we are a basket-case of a club and probably one of the the worst run clubs in European top flight football.

As for the height thing Si, I think the fixation is more to do with the style of play. Having something to aim for. Ian Wright might have struggled for goals in this team.

The flipside though, is it an improvement on what we got? Aye, not by much, but any improvement at this stage I'll take. We have to remember its not just a case of finding a player and that's it, signed. It's a two way street, the player has to want to come to us as well. And let's face it, we aren't exactly a very appealing proposition, we can't offer European football, let along champions league football. It's easy for us as fans to say I'd kill to play for the jersey, but unless a player is a lifelong fan they don't have that emotional tie to the club. They don't give a flying fudge about the 'history' of the club. On a long side note,I think that's part of the problem, we focus too much on the history... unpopular opinion but the Z-cars theme is ridiculous in the modern game. Are modern players hyped up or inspired running out to that? Hardly. Why not go for The Beatles Helter Skelter, bit more oomf, local band and well, kind sums up our seasons haha

Anyway, back to the point. We aren't really in a position to be attractive to a lot of the players that we all know we want or need. Shouldn't be in the position of STILL looking to replace Rom, or Richie for that matter. Should have been sorted long ago...for me that's the most infuriating part. But whoever we get in, we need to get behind them, not on their back. Doing the latter has only a negative impact on their confidence and desire to take chances and try to make things happen then we're in a slippery spiral of putting too much pressure on a player that if they miss, all they get is grief. That does one thing, make them not want to take chances for fear of the fans wrath. Honestly dunno why we didn't (maybe we did and it was shot down) try for Ward-Prowse and Vardy, even short term or on loan.

The window ain't closed yet, so just gotta wait and see. Fingers, eyes and arsecheeks crossed!

It is a singing that is again a major gamble on DCL’s fitness, DCL stays fit and we have a better back up, DCL gets long term injured and we regress to a team trying to keep its head above water again.

Considering DCLs game time this last two years, I thought this CF signing should have been the absolute priority this window. Instead of addressing it properly they’ve opted for the sticking plaster approach, with a view to making the bigger quality signing next summer when finances are better.

One final thought is that they are still trying to get Gnonto in within our budget restraints. So this Che Adams deal may well be aligned to that plan. A part ex player deal with Holgate and Maupay, coupled, with a few million on extended terms. The deal could cost us initially next to nothing. Then, in theory, we have enough of the money up front to satisfy Leeds’ payment demands for Gnonto.

Maupay has been a disaster so cannot be used as a barometer for end product.

Ellis Simms had a goal involvement in the Championship last season of nearly one per one and a quarter games (7 goals 2 assists in under 1131 minutes). For us it was just under one goal in 2 games (1 goal in 219 minutes). He was deemed NOT good enough for us this season and was sold.

Iwobi and McNeill are unproductive wingers so again can't be used as template. Harrison rightfully can be as he operates in their position and most are hopeful he's an upgrade in terms of goal involvements.

Forget finances, forget age, forget potential. If we are bringing in a Premier League proven striker he needs to be exactly that and he needs to be a marked improvement on the guy you have just let go. This guy is neither.

Surely we cannot contemplate adding Adams, if Maupay remains. Who knows if he will perform any better ? But let's not add Maupay to the list who are unlikely to play and add little or no value to the ' playing squad '.

We need strikers. If he comes? Let's give him a chance!

Who’s a good enough proven premier league striker that we could afford and would want to sign for us?

I’m actually in the camp that sees this as a sensible but uninspiring signing that is an upgrade on what we have. A stop gap between and always injured DCl and unproven Chermitti. A low fee gamble that could work out. I’m for it.

Underwhelming of course but we don’t need to write him off. As I said, he’s a good player and I think he’d do well at Everton.

Free transfer,
Scores goals
27 years old.

Offer him a one year contract with an option for an extension if he behaves himself.

Although I can’t speak for Ian I’m guessing that’s what was intended.

Well, if we don't sign Gnonto, and we do sell Gray, then you'd think we would have enough in the pot to do a deal for say Beto etc?

Or is this still a pay-on-the-drip spend thing linked to Profitability and Sustainability Rules? What an unbelievable mess we are in.

Hitler may have been short but he was an aggressive attacker!
Re heights - I seem to recall Tony Cottee and Adrian Heath were vertically challenged. Andy Johnson wasn't that tall either?
And to another question higher up, I cant recall the game (on MOTD) but yes, I did watch a Southampton game and thought Che Adams would be handy. He came on as sub as I recall and scored two, one a beauty and one a strikers tap in. End of last season..

Just because a player hasn't played in the prem doesn't mean they're not better. It's lazy scouting and whilst some may say they're a risk it's a lot less risky than buying players who we already know won't score goals.

Everton's scouting and talent spotting has been lambasted yet again and to a large degree, rightly so.
It is dire across the globe and has been since I was a baby blue over 50 years ago.
Players we failed to sign because of the most stupid and pathetic reasons. Who became supreme goalscorers are almost limitless.
I remember when we had first shout on Ian Rush from Chester and we declared "Too Tall and Lanky" as to why we didnt sign him.
We have NEVER had an abundance of strikers at our disposal.
Why ?
Fk knows.
Its like an unwritten rule.
Of which Kenwright was wrapped up in Arteta money and taken it to the extreme.

It's like looking to build a new nuclear power station, with the only aim of it being better than Chernobyl!

How true.
Brighton are the club that continue to go from strength to strength in all areas of business on and off of the pitch.
Not only do they scout well and produce gems as you say for vast sums of money in comparison for what they paid, they also offload players that don’t command colossal transfer fees.
My son in law and 2 of my 5 grandsons are Brighton season ticket holders and they are still laughing when we paid £15m for Maupay, who could score 1 from 6 chances, which obviously didn’t happen.
By the way this is not a dig at Maupay, he runs his socks off, but probably now trying too hard.
I’ve said it before regarding Brightons director of ‘youth recruitment’, David Weir, how I wish he would join us in the same role.

Gnonto I understand. He's young and will get better and would probably score the sam amount of goals as Che adams and next year could probably better it. Che adams at his age will not improve. He's had numerous years in the premier league and hasn't gotten better.

The likes of beto, dia, ekitike, daka and even inneacho all may have turned us down which is a possibility no doubt. At that point i'd say time for Thelwell to go because if you can't convince a player in the championship or playing abroad on buttons to come and become a starter in a premier league side on premier league wages that are in desperate need for someone to just finish off chances then you are inept at your job. I understand Toure going to Atlanta they're a good european side that are known for bringing young players through and ekitike probably has better offers but the rest are all achievable.

I'd rather us overpay for Gnonto than waste 12 million on Che adams. Atleast Gnonto can improve.

John, 96, he has never reached 10 goals in 4 seasons.

We don't necessarily need a twenty goal striker (and can't afford a proven one), so we are fishing in the six to ten goal a season waters.

It may well be that those actually watching DCL every day and consulting with highly paid medical specialists are assuming the opposite, that DCL has had his injuries properly managed for the first time in 3 years and will be available for 30+ games this season. If that is the case and they are proved right (a big if) then Adams is being bought in as a squad player to primarily fill in and add something off the bench along with Chermitti.

Looking at it in that light it may make more sense to spend any funds on a winger or second striker who can add goals and value over the next 4 years (like Gnonto.)

If we sign Adams (an experienced PL player who fits the system and will hit the ground running albeit with limited ability) for £12m and are able to sell Maupay for £8m to somewhere then that would seem ok business to me. If we also add Gnonto or Sulemana or Bakayoko then I will be very content with our summers business.

A fit DCL, Chermitti, Adams, Harrison, Mcneill, Danjuma and one of Gnonto/Sulemana etc would be a big upgrade on what we had last year (unfit DCL, Maupay, Simms, Gray, Mcneill).

Two years is a long time and to go from barely being able to kick a ball without breaking something to being fit for the season would be nothing short of a miracle. If Che adams is signed my prediction is that we'll be seeing a lot of him.

Give the lad a chance.

With reference to your second point I personally would prefer a signing like Etikite without being Premier League proven but was arguing that even on that remit I don't feel Adams is. For me having Calvert Lewin, Danjuma and Etikite as options would be decent for Dyche yet if Cannon, Etitiike or Chermiti show progression throughout the season there is the opportunity there for promotion and still let Thelwell progress the club with an eye on the future.

I agree it's difficult to find proven Premier League strikers on our budget who are willing to play second choice but I would have more faith in someone like Dembele who was a class apart at Celtic (acclimatised to British football) and has done well in the French League rather than a journeyman like Adams.

Brian I don't see Chermiti playing a big part this year either by the way but his profile is more suited to a Dom understudy than Cannon so I can see why they've brought him in. Cannon being thrown off the bench doesn't really develop him and if the step up is too much for him right now then the crowd could easily turn on the lad and could screw up his future at the club. On the other hand a full season in the championship could lead to a better environment with less pressure on the lad so he can play and score in a competitive division. Then next year he comes back and is ready to compete alongside Chermiti. I think the club are paying the long game with him.

However, find me a young and premier league ready goalscoring wonderkid for less than £20M (paid over 5 years with minimal bonuses in the fee), and we can stop arguing about Mr Adams from Southampton. We are bargain basement shoppers for the foreseeable future now.

However, DCL's best game last season was Brighton. He didn't score but lead the line and brought others into attack. Maupay isn't that player, but maybe Adams can be. I'll take that and 5-8 goals this season for £12M. Not being defeatist or naive, but honest and realistic. 👏👏👏

Orban, Dia, Beto (maybe closer to 30million however) are all 1 in 3 strikers which blows che adams out of the water instantly.

The more debated picks are Inneacho and Daka who scored less but had much better goals to minute ratios. Daka who didn't suit the way Leicester played had a ridiculous scoring record prior to joining in particular.

There are better options out there who would join Everton. Having the vision and nerve to take a risk on them is something Everton have lacked for a long time.

As with all these things planning is important. However, the most important part of every plan is to plan on the plan not going according to plan. Putting all our eggs in one DCL basket for the season, when he’s hardly played for 2 years, is a humongous risk to take - regardless of what any medic says. I would be amazed if he started more than half the games this season - and that already would be a massive bonus. Who starts the other half?

Every vaguely decent football club, not just top clubs, imo should have a minimum of 3 senior strikers in their squad to account for injuries, loss of form, rotation, competition etc. The fact we’ve only had one semi permanently injured striker for over two seasons is frankly ludicrous. It’s no wonder we’ve struggle for goals and hence points.

To think of the tens of millions wasted on gash like Tosun, Niasse, King, Maupay, Sandro, Tarashaj, Rooney mk2, Rondon, Walcott, Vlasic etc. I mean I expect some flops in signings but on the striker front we’ve been beyond appalling. Do we not have any scouts specialised in strikers?

Lukaku, DCL and Richarlison are, I think, the only three who’ve worked out in the last 10 years - and DCL has been injured more often than fit. This goes beyond the current manager and is a much deeper problem. Moyes played quite a few games with no striker at all and seemed to have an allergy to them.

Half the people on this website could list half a dozen realistic targets we could have gone after months ago, maybe we did. However, I struggle to see why a club with our stature cannot attract a half decent striker or two. Even on loan.

We seem to have no problem collecting midfielders and defenders so can only assume it’s actually down to club policy. Makes no sense to me.

Newcastle in a FAR worse position than us signed Callum Wilson. Fulham in a far worse position signed Mitrovic at the time. We can and should be doing better than Che Adams.

I would almost tolerate signing yet another non-goal scoring centre forward if his all-round play had a positive effect on the team. He contributed zero assists last season, so in effect we are buying a warm-body to fill a squad shirt.

If things turn out badly then DCL plays 5 games and we at least have Adams to score 5 goals and assists rather than Maupay's 1 goal a season and potentially have Chermiti playing more than he is ready for and ruining his development.

This moves, whilst not exciting makes perfect sense as hopefully it also means we have sufficient budget to get one of Gnonto, Sulemana or Bakayoko over the line. More young attacking talent to develop and sell on at a massive profit.

We've got a team to stabilise so we can go into the new stadium in the Premier league. Under FFP we've got no chance of pushing for Europe and getting the stadium done. We've got to accept that for the next two years.

I also don’t feel DCL can be factored into any debate, as we have hardly seen anything of him in two seasons now. Sadly, the die is cast with Dominic, his body is prone to breakdown, and as such, he can never be relied upon to be our first choice CF. This also affects his value in the transfer market, and mitigates against our squad valuation in FFP sustainability terms. Yet another dilemma that besets our beloved club, eh?

Adams is not the answer if what we are looking for is a prolific goal scorer, and leader of the front line. I very much doubt that he would be Dyche’s ideal pick. I believe we would have been pleasantly surprised by Weghorst [did we even try to get him?]but he got a good move to the Bundersliga whilst we dithered.

We should go for Piroe, and try doing a deal with Swansea for a part ex, maybe offer up that waistrel J.P Gbarmin, and sack him if he refuses to go! Time is ticking, Mr Thelwell.

So he doesn't assist more than Maupay, doesn't score more than Maupay, is 2 inches taller than Maupay and he's an upgrade how exactly?

We did and he was our top scorer.

Conor-we’d all like to sign Ekitike but champions league clubs are in for him. No chance he comes to us. Same with the blindingly obvious Dembele shout. Of course he’s a top player- again playing in the champions league. He went to Saudi on about a million quid a second.

It’s easy to pinpoint better players than che Adams but there’s a reason they’re not signing for us.

Adams is one of them but at least he may create competition to Maupay but it won't be the answer.

These are desperate times so desperate moves happen.

Personally I don't think this move will happen.

With a young, eager buck like Chermiti in the fold and Harrison also I don't expect any other move just yet.

I accept that but then again I think Iwobi is much underrated

This must be an impersonator then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbkqy1zrzUQ

Onana, Branthwaite, Iwobi, Gray, Cannon go on the block. If it means that we get enough cash to get a goal scorer now, then we have to do it.

We can't be buying Maupay for £13m, Che Adams for £12m, and the looking for another centre forward again next summer to solve the goal scoring issue that's plagued us for nearly the entire Premier league era.

Danny 54 - I couldnt give a monkeys mate. You keep 👏👏👏.

And since we are stuck on loving monikers for those we disagree with; can I recommend ‘Sack Heads’ for the overly negative types? Something tells me it has multiple applications for the subjects. Good times.

Morelos career stats - 175 goals in 354 appearances. He would have put a couple of those chances away against Fulham in my opinion. That’s what he does.

Nevertheless if Adams comes he will have my support. Then again Neal Maupay may do a Steven Naismith and score a hatrick agains Villa. Who knows?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdxK0LcCyCM

Decision making at this club is abominable at best, we had to get a ready to go striker in for pre season. we all know that this will go down to the last few hours on deadline day. we will end up with someone we don't actually want, 4 games into the season paying over the odds for the guy, still paying 75% of Gbamins and Gomez salaries when they finally go on loan.
Prob get 2 mill for Holgate (if we are lucky) which will all go to pay off Kenwright when he finally leaves.

Meanwhile no one at the club tells us anything or even complains as they don't want to affect their big salary

we could well get a transfer ban in October so if we get no further strikers in then that might be the case for the next 3 windows..

Have a nice day y'all

Couple that with no European football, and that is another reason not to come to Everton when you could go abroad to a lesser league and get European football. It will be interesting to see what happens with Chermiti.

That's good as we can move on.

The good ship Everton is now a firm fixture in the bottom six classification of Premier League clubs.

If yer know your history . well that is all we have now and it fades with the passing of the years.

Three reasons not to spend 12 million fucking pounds / dollars / pesos on a striker who just doesn't score!

Give one of those three a shot and save your money because you're pissing it down the drain.

If this "deal" goes through it is woeful.

"Hey, Dom is always hurt and we've got Maupay who runs his balls off but can't score. What should we do?"

"But another Maupay who can't score!"

Ridiculous.

The money being touted is a fair reflection of his age and record.

I believe if we sign Adams, it would produce the most fruitful period of his career, in terms of goals and success.

I struggle to recall the last time we signed a player and he has surpassed any expectation, its usually the opposite and they are worse than hoped for

Or pay a hefty fee for a promising loan player. Get off the bloody pot, and start sorting out a striker. We need goals. We can't be playing and knowing it's game over at 1 nil.

Buying Maupay Mk 2 and expecting a different out come is insanity. Just go with the wingers we have, and put the Gnoto and Adams cash together if it means a player in that can do the job.

Itll be god awful if we are in the same position next summer looking for another £12m striker after wasting £25m after another season have grief.

Perhaps people will prove me wrong but I'm not convinced there are many plausible, better solutions. Heres a few we've been linked with.

Ekitike- Very raw. Closer to chermiti than DCL in readiness. I'd happily get him but better clubs than us are keen.

Daka- Decent. Very different profile to DCL. not prolific.

Iheanacho- see Daka.

Broja- Yes please, but no idea if he's available. Probably not now Nkunku is injured.

Beto- yes please. But we don't have £30m and he doesn't score many.

Lukaku- can't afford his wages.

Vardy- finished at PL. is 36 and managed 3 goals in almost 2000 minutes last year.

Dia- Also £25m potentially and a different profile to DCL. Probably one of the more plausible options but very difficult to know how he'd adapt. risky at that price.

Joel Piroe- Similar to Maupay, not quick, not strong, not sure he's a better option at all.

Brobbey- could be interesting but expensive and quite raw.

Morelos- a troublemaker who's never scored more than 11 goals in a season in Scotland.

Orban- terrific prospect but not less than £25m and being courted by Spurs and more enticing clubs

Antonio- would happily take him on loan though his output and fitness are diminishing.

Basically for £10-15m there are just not that many reliable options out there. We've taken our punt of Chermiti and hopefully he proves a gem but Dyche needs someone to hit the ground running who can do a job for the team (not just score goals) and I struggle to find a significantly better option. Maybe someone else can suggest one?

Can anyone provide evidence that he is of any use to us whatsoever apart from "i like him" because there is literally no stat that tells us that a 27 year old that scores and creates less than Maupay over his career is somehow going to be a better option than Maupay.

If we haven’t got money, we haven’t got money to waste on ineffective players.

Stats tell half the story. We get you don’t like him.

Kelechi Iheanacho goal contribution stats last season per stood at 0.8 per 90 min . Che Adams clocks in less than half of that output at 0.36 per 90 min.

He would be gettable, get and create more goals. Stats need interpretation, but such divergence gives a clear picture. I don’t understand this piece of recruiting unless it is financially necessary to finally sign Gnonto.

This is the overall timing of the revamp. For 15m there isn't much else available that doesn’t come with price overpay risk. With Adams you know what you’re paying for and will get just that. That is likely the thinking on this.

If there’s no one affordable who’s worthwhile we could just keep our money and muddle through with what we have. Not really ideal obviously but if you look at last summer we bought Maupay due to lack of alternatives. He got one goal and did little else. If we’d never signed him and muddled through with Simms, Gray, Gordon as he was here half the season, Dobbin, Cannon or even Keane would things have been any worse? Probably not.

Then we have Chermiti who Dyche says is “very unlikely to hit the ground running.” Had we not bought him or Maupay we’d be 26 million richer and no worse off and we could be looking at 38 million pound strikers right now. If we do buy Adams he’s someone we already know isn’t good enough so it’s just a matter of how quickly he joins the deadwood pile with Gbamin Maupay Gomes arc

If we keep looking at the same bunch he is not doing his job.

You can bet a few other Prem teams will find a few gems for reasonable money...

I think Adams is a slightly different fish because his style of play is a better fit so he is more likely to be useful to Dyche in offering an alternative to DCL (even if he is far from prolific).

Keep in mind also that Chermitti only cost us about £2m this summer (the rest is on the drip) and the same might be true of Maupay last summer. So i'm not sure its as simple as saying if we didn't have them we could spend £24m, so much of it is to do with which clubs are prepared to business that way.

I'm still quite on the fence about Adams but if we can sell Maupay and buy Adams with the money that makes sense to me. Otherwise I think you're right and we're maybe better off saving the money for elsewhere, though as I wrote above i'm not sure who the better, plausible striker options are.

Obviously I don't know who is available as i'm not part of the club. But if you said after a two year striker hunt that Che Adams is the answer the scouting department have either no invention or haven't been able to convince a half decent striker.

Once again my expectations aren't a 20 goal a season striker.

And yes I have heard the counter argument before. They were part of a team and they couldn't keep the team up on their own. But unfortunately for me I believe in luck, or the rub of the green! We definitely did not get that last weekend

Anyway I am off to avoid any black cats or cracked paving slabs and buy some lucky heather

Dyche has form with Che Adams. He tried to buy him for £12m in the 2019 Janauary transfer window, when managing Burnley.

If DCL was available on a free, from another club, would we take him ?
If Maupay was available on a free, from another club, would we take him ? I would hope the answer to these questions would be NO !
Yet we will spend £12m on a forward who has a worse record than both of them. It's got to be a deliberate managed decline of a once great club because nothing else makes sense.

Fact check. We are quite skint. We need another striker now. Adams can play now. Adams isn't Maupay. He is a Scot's mucker with Macneil. It could work.

Then sell some players. Get some more money. Sign the Leeds lad.
Happy days.

My main reservation about Che Adams is that he has been crap every time I have watched him play. He would simply add to the litany of terrible strikers that Danny@ 48 listed who we have signed since Lukaku left.

Let’s squander another £10-15 million on top of the £66 million we have already wasted on below average strikers who never score goals.

One thing I do agree with then on, we can definitely afford to lose a bit more ‘dead wood’ in the window…

Forget this 'best we can hope for' rubbish, that smirking tory gobshite has destroyed the hopes and dreams of every Evertonian, and resided over the worst period in our history - Nil Satis Nisi Optimum my arse. For the amount of cash we've spent on dud strikers, we could had 50 or 60 from the lower leagues, and surely we'd have found one or two better than Kean, Rondon, Maupay etc.

Paul Mullin anyone?

In better news "Dom is fit and in the thinking." That apart some of these journos ask the stupidest questions. "Sean, how is Dom adapting to being a father?" "I don't live with him so I don't know."

"Sean, Aston Villa lost to Newcastle last week in some style." Dyche interjects "Some style? That's a very strange way of putting it."

One last interesting comment: he was asked about Gbamin and said "He is not with us at the moment," and then was asked if they'd let him leave "Well there has to been an offer made." So I assume he's just AWOL?

As for Daka, Dia, or Iheanacho, none of them are as good in the air (despite his size) as Adams or as adept at him as holding the ball up, crucial skills for a Dyche striker. They all have qualities but all have flaws too.

I'm not sure that any of those options are clearly an upgrade on Adams (Dia possibly but he is more expensive and it may turn out that his brilliant season in Italy last year was an outlier). We seem to have targeted more exciting options but have failed to convince (understandable given recent form)

Just because a choice is unimaginative does not necessarily mean it is wrong.

I just hope that whatever business is being done, is completed before the end of the window, rather than our usual deadline day scramble!

I would much sooner have a one-legged Vardy or Giroud for a season. It seems the club are intent on mediocrity as we stumble our way through another season of struggle.

I can only hope that Calvert-Lewin stays fit for much of the season.

On other matters: “If we would have gone in sooner for X” is a fallacy. We might have simply invited a bidding war sooner and scattershots of offers smacks of desperation which seldom impresses anyone when they know you are essentially broke.

If you choose to slag Thelwell, okay… I'm not going to get weird if he gets partially blamed for the negotiation deficit where he begins. Straight fallacies will get a civil response though.

And until we know the structure of payments, let's go easy on the wasted money talk.

My issue is that I feel Adams serves no purpose.

I have reason to believe we will not be in a relegation struggle this season;

If Dyche was manager all last season we would have been comfortably safe.

Calvert-Lewin won't be rushed like under Lampard so I would expect greater output.

Ashley Young, Danjuma and Jack Harrison will automatically boost our goals-for column substantially.

A top right winger and a one season contract for someone like Lingard (to compete with Doucoure) and if the prospective swap of Gnonto for Gray would further boost the goals column.

Our striking options would be Calvert Lewin and Danjuma as senior strikers with Cannon and Chermiti as backup dependent on progression. If Alli can restore some form, he may also provide an option.

We could have Gnonto, Sulemana, McNeil, Harrison, Lingard, Doucoure and Iwobi as options for the three roles behind the striker with the latter two also options for midfield roles.

Arsenal are going for the title yet Arteta wants to sell Balogun. He will rely on an injury-prone Jesus backed up by Nketiah as his strikers. He will use Trossard and Martinelli to fill in otherwise he will use academy players. Even with a squad like theirs. they will rely on two.

In our predicament, we can't waste money like we did with Maupay.

Iheanacho is available for €15M, a better player than Adams, in my opinion. If it goes to the last day of the window and we still haven't signed a striker, I'd take Adams then.

Glad this sort of media shite wasn't around in previous days or we'd have never signed some of our greatest players:

“Bloke who chain smokes all day even coming on to the pitch and in the shower“ (Roy Vernon)…

“Bloke who is at his wits end before every game panicking in the loo every 5 mins and throwing up” (Gordon West)…

”2 bloody fellers who can't get a game with the Red Shite" (Kevin Sheedy & Alan Harper)…

”2 fellows who are absolute crocks and can't string three games together and more broken legs than you could imagine (Andy Gray & Peter Reid)…

”A scruffy ex-binman from Llandudno and plays for Bury, for fuck's sake??” (Neville Southall)….

“An owl arse who's been stuck at Man City since the Napoleonic Wars, jeez!” (Paul Power)…

“For fuck's sake, he's on the piss every night before a game!” (Dixie Dean)…..

”You havin a laugh... smokes like crazy and he's got a part-time job as an undertaker???” (Ray Wilson)….

And on and on and on.

I wouldn't trust any of these doom merchants to manage a Subbuteo team!!!!!!

Just no. Lukaku is in cruise mode. He's made his millions, and he's clearly taken a liking to hamburgers. He was always an imposing beast when fit, now he looks like a guy who wears a white tank and slops buffalo wings all over his chest staining said white tank beyond repair while swilling a 6-pack at 1 am every night.

Trips down Nostalgia Road aren't what we need.

The above is brazen, I post in respect simply disagreeing with any thought of bringing back Rom.

Did you see that clipwhere danjuma is saying Richy nagged him to join Everton

Today.

Sometimes "big" moves don't work out. Richy was highly successful with us, he's got oodles of talent, and he'd help us enormously.

I'd have him back in a heartbeat.

An alternative to DCL who can also run channels and bring others into play is better than Maupay.

I'd much rather be bringing someone exciting in but it looks like we are prioritising our money on a young winger now to hopefully sell on for a profit in a year or two. We are also hoping that in two years time Chermiti turns into the real deal and that is our ready made replacement for DCL.

He now warms the bench at Nottingham Forest

But to have both Adams and Maupay on the payroll does look profligate. Can't afford to have two strikers on the books we can't shift.

Right now the bookies have Luton and Sheffield United strong odds on to go down and that strikes me as likely. So points deduction aside, we just need to be better than one of Forest, Wolves, Burnley and Bournemouth. It's actually a slightly easier task than last year. Even small enhancements, if that is what Adams can potentially be, should make a fair difference.

Thanks Ian, I'll be clapping tomorrow. I hope your are too. I hope we all are.

Chris @194, how far back are those names. Its 2023!

Someone as desperate as we are? For a start, Southampton in a swap deal. Maupay has actually got a decent record in the Championship.

I wouldn't have Adams on a long, expensive contract. We are offering him a way back into the EPL, after all. And if he and/or Southampton play hardball, we walk away, because he sure isn't that critical for us, I just felt he could hardly do worse than Maupay whose confidence is quite clearly shot at Everton, but might do ok elsewhere, especially at a lower level, as he has done before with Brentford.

In his first season he had 11 goals or assists in 1,848 minutes. So that's 11 goals in 20 games equivalent. He can play up front and wide right.

Available.

Mind you, who isn't.

We're Everton so we're stuck buying in the bargain bucket.

Disappointed in Thelwell. He's another Walsh.

Your slow, often injured, doesn't score when fit Mr Wood just got what looks like the winner for Forest.

He reached double figures 6 seasons in succession - 18 in one of them.

As for being a troublemaker - I don’t know but suspect if he got a gig with us, given his current situation, he would pull his head right in.

Cost to Everton £0 plus wages.

We are a step up from the Championship but whoever shows up will be an improvement on last season. A player with Premier League experience ready to start and give competition at a reasonable price. What is the problem?

Perhaps other strikers mentioned are not interested in coming to us? It's a wait and see who comes.

Could you possibly strive to be this bad at one's job. I hold no hope, amateur hour. The guy is profoundly useless. Get him for what, he can't play the system the manager is promoting. This is a joke or wake me up from the nightmare.

Jeezus Christ…..

THIS is the problem.

Personally, I don't think anyone will be coming in. Maupay and Calvert-Lewin will see us through. Hopefully the midfield can chip in with 15 goals plus.

Just thought having an extra striker might help us stay up? Many on here have seen enough of the player to judge he's not the right fit for us. Perhaps stay with what we have till January and assess our position.

Stay positive all.

He played 31 games in Serie A and scored 6 with 3 assists last season. He also played 13 games in the Conference League and scored 6 with 1 assist. He's 25 and a current Serbian International. Real Madrid once paid £63m for him back in 2019, so he must have something about him.

Maybe it was just too much too soon for him to handle. He's valued at £8M and his contract is up in June 2024. Fiorentina have 5 centre-forwards on their books at present, so they may be looking to unload one of them. Another thing is he's way better than Adams or Maupay.

Shame on you Peter. I had you down far better than that golden nugget of opinion.

Well … like it or not, the old bugger is still around pissing people off, 50+ years and counting. Don't Be Denied!

(Sorry, Peter, I could not resist.) 😜😜

Which other club has not been able to sign a decent forward for 5 years?

Wasn't Andre Gomes once bought by Barcelona? Pretty much every team has a history of buying duffers. How can you be sure he'd do better than Adams?

Do all of our resident ‘scouts' have expert knowledge and due diligence on the work permit and squad nationality make-up compliance requirements?

Wood got the winner for Nottingham Forest last night.

We are shopping at Asda, not Harrods or even Waitrose. Even Marks & Spencer's seems out of reach.

Any player coming into Everton is facing a tough gig.

A very passionate (beyond belief) support base who's expectation will not be beaten out of them.

In the context of confusion and uncertainty going on in the background.

If we do sign him, let's give him a chance. It's a bit like being thrown into Dunkirk and asked to sort out that German problem against the odds.

If we get him then Maupay will go (even if it's a loan) and we will have to give him a chance, as I mentioned above I think he has the attributes to become a bit of a fan favourite. Ok, I'm going to stick my neck out further here and say it (my low key Steve Ferns/Marco Silva moment) I think he will be a really good signing.

Bobby @236, it's an interesting one bud isn't it? Yes Cannon would run through walls to get his chance and he seems highly sought after but it is at least one season too soon and too much to expect of him.

That said, it would be very Everton to agree to sell him to Leeds for say £8m and for him to turn out to be exactly what we've been searching for. I feel on balance it's too much of a risk to rely on him for PL goals right now and that could be detrimental.

You could argue Bobby I suppose that Chermitti is the same age, he is probably more raw as a player too but he has the physicality we've been looking for. 6ft 4" and someone who will get PL minutes this season, probably being thrown on with 10 mins to go as we launch balls into the box, not Cannon's game. Personally I hope we are really canny with his development.

Some of our best signings who seemed unassuming have been our best and gone on to be popular.

It's down to scouting, but the reality is you never really know how a signing will turn out. Always a gamble.

I think the only way the club can find quality is through a younger version with a high ceiling, proven can live at top level after a few games - like Chermiti.

Che Adams isn't the above, but is a decent player. Does look like a mix bag when he strikes the ball, can be very good to weak efforts. He will score some goals though as his historical position is taking chances in the focal point position.

Overall, If DCL isn't available on a particular match day, Adams looks like he will lead the line like a Premier League player better than any other forwards at the club currently. With deadline day approaching, looks like this is the best plan B if DCL isn't available.

Finally, Adams looks like the only player if he came to the club, who can hold the ball for a couple of seconds on the edge of the box and allow the team to move up the pitch. Not sure if Maupay has that in his locker.

When you consider the endless list of mega million pound duds we've signed in recent years, the fee bandied for Adams, a proven Premiership striker, is peanuts by comparison. We don't need more wingers, we need a seasoned striker.

With big questionmarks still hanging over DCL, sign Adams immediately.

If Adams comes in and scores the 6 goals that mean these 10 extra points, then it's money well spent.

Spot on.

We are where we are. We are aiming for mid-table after 2 relegation dogfights

This chap helps us get to mid-table so get him in and stop complaining and start backing

I don't think like some people that Dyche & Thelwell haven't been looking for options. But there comes a point where we have to add goals. He's scoring more than our current strikers in a poorer team. If he played against Fulham I'd say we take the 3 points.

There's plenty of precedent for us signing unfashionable strikers and they end up doing an important job: Campbell, Naysmith, Rideout, Bent. Not the most high-profile but scored important goals and contributed at important times to make progress.

Players use our club as a stepping-stone to bigger things all the time. I'm thinking of Adams, Young, Danjuma etc as us using the players as stepping stones to get us to the relative safety of midtable without breaking the bank to put us in a better financial position in the next year or two.

Ché Adams is currently on £30k, not the hero we wanted ….

Plan A is obviously that Calvert-Lewin is the man for the job. Indeed he's very good at that role - and if we can get balls into the box for him, he'll score decent numbers too.

Longer term, Chermiti appears to be the guy who might even surpass Calvert-Lewin as a player (very early days obviously but he plays a bit like Adebayor to my mind).

In the meantime, a steady but unremarkable player like Adams might not be a bad stand-in. He won't score many goals, but maybe he's been assessed as doing the boring things well that allow the side to counter-attack effectively.

And if the financials for Adams allow us to get the Gnonto deal over the line, then it probably makes even more sense. We'd then end the window with Chermiti, Gnonto and Branthwaite coming into the squad as extremely talented youngsters who could all be worth north of £50M (or even more) if they kick on over the next few years – and Adams, Danjuma and Harrison (and Young) as experienced pros to help them bed in.

I also think we'd have added at least 15 extra goals to the side for next year (across all signings) which should mean we don't get into another relegation fight.

Coming to Everton from 2 relagation scraps would be a step down unless from a lower league. We are buying from the lower market end to attract players and affordability. Mid table and push on would be real progress.

Seriously though indicated this deal isn't even close to getting done if he's starting today.

Agreed. What's going on? Are we not signing even Ché Adams??

If a deal was close, they'd protect their asset. Got "end of the transfer window" vibes, this one.

Then you won't be disappointed or get over excited in the run up to the deadline and may even be grateful to Chairman Bill when the new Maupay or Rondon is trundled out with his usual theatrical flair.

If his goals get them up then he'll be worth far more than £15M to them.

We've just got to accept that our club is totally skint with massive commitments re the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock!

Stefano Okaka, centre-forward. Height 1.86m. Career goals record from CF 341 games, 85 goals and 29 assists. He's played in Serie A for several teams including Udinese, Parma, Roma, Bari and Sampdoria. Also played for Fulham, Anderlecht, Bakakshir and Watford.

Last season, he did play 37 times for Bakakshir, scoring 7 with 3 assists. He's 34 and most probably injured (he missed the last few games of last season, due to injury). Sounds ideal!

ps: He also scored twice against us in 2016 whilst at Watford.

I don't understand the delays of deliberation, surely these guys have their budgets and what they need from each deal. Why does it take days or weeks to get to an agreement?

(General sentiment from above.)

How Che Adams compares to Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Youssef Chermiti and Neal Maupay amid £12m offer

Accept it... we are in for another season of thrashings off the big teams and scrappy draws or wins off the rest.

Staying up will be a massive achievement in itself. The die was cast years ago, it's not gonna change with no money, no class signings and a very, very average manager.

I agree with a lot of what you said aside from that we have an average manager: Dyche did brilliantly to keep this lot up given we just don't have any goal scorers.

It amazes me that educated football fans can't give credit where it's due: Dyche did what most would not have been able to do.

Sad that many just can't see it.

Stats never lie. 😉

This is probably the most important time for the players to have total honesty from their manager. Mind you, I don't think he's foolishly honest with the media, so he knows the game they play.

"His man-management skills are second to none. He knows how to have a close relationship with a player but also strongly maintain the player-manager divide.

"From a player's point of view, honesty is the one thing you ask from a manager. He has that in abundance, whether you like it or not.

Seeing as this was a piece on Sky Sports, I fully expect Moshiri to do something rash again and replace old gravel voice with Mancini, just for the sake of it.

BTW - why is this thread, formatted completely differently to all the other threads, or is it just my machine?

I suspect our difficulty lies in being utter no marks in the modern game.

Any half-decent agent will hawk his player around the multitude of other division makeweights once we express serious interest and we have no option but to wait and see. We don't have the financial clout to force the issue and are as attractive as one of the ugly sisters in Cinderella.

For an agent analogy, it's like your clients are booked to support The Beatles for several years, then same venue same ticket price you offered supporting The Bootleg Beatles under Moyes.

Then they break up and it's The Bottleg Bootleg Beatles. Then finally it's the Bootleg Chas and Dave. Or go elsewhere and play alongside Taylor Swift.

Cannon is nowhere near Premier League ready, and if he didn't get his loan out, then that's curtailing his progress for the future.

Dobbin isn't a striker, I watched him a few times for Derby and frankly he doesn't look like he's got many goals in him, at least not yet.

Danjuma isn't a striker either – contrary to everyone thinking he can play down the middle, his only real effective position is wide left or at a push right side; he may get 7 goals… he may not.

So, narrowing it down, unless we do sign a striker of whatever profile, considering we are linked with 20 different ones per day, then we are going to be struggling in the same shit bath that Wolves are, regardless of "playing well".

If you can't score enough goals, then you end up near the foot of the table.

Balogun and Daka interesting Chelsea, Monaco, Roma and Inter in the chase.

Wolves, Everton and Bournemouth chasing Adams.

Jim # 278, Danjuma isn't a striker in the conventional sense, as you say. So I agree he isn't a logical choice to play as the focal point for players like McNeil and Harrison to hit with crosses.

However, he is a versatile and talented forward who might be decently suited to counter-attacking football and running the channels / running in behind - a style Dyche seems to like. So a better option than Maupay hopefully, especially away perhaps.

I'm interested to see how he fares against Villa, assuming he gets some minutes.

We desperately need someone who is capable of scoring a goal. DCL was our only hope, and it was a hope not a given, but after getting match fit according to Dyche, he, perhaps unfortunately, he has to be taken off after a collision with the Villa goalie. Where does it end? In my view it is the right time for us to start a new chapter. Many will say we have dithered for too long already. Get Adams in and start the change now.

Final word. Dyche needs to get his finger out and stop picking Keane who for some obscure reason favours.

Kenwright is quite happy for us to dither for another 2 years or so but we will be in the Championship at best if that is allowed to happen and who wants that?

The performance today was miserable but I expected it and something that gives the fans and players some hope that we can turn the corner is badly needed before we sink further.

If Che arrives does it mean the revolution we all crave has actually started.

Kenwright Out. Moshiri Out.

Who would want to sign for a club that is in such disarray? It’s definitely going to be a relegation fight from here on out. The only players we will attract are ones that only want the paycheque that Everton are famous for giving out.
I have said it countless numbers of time, this is the way that Moshiri and Usmanov are running the club, they are just washing money, over spending on players, wages and the best way to wash money, build a stadium.
This is being done in broad daylight. This is why there isn’t the US investment, and to be honest it won’t be coming. It is just stories being made up, just like the story of the board’s safety last season.
I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but look at the facts, Moshiri - top draw billionaire accountant running the club into the ground.
Totally below average squad that is not offloaded and bettered.
Scouting team and DoF working with their hands tied all the time.
Which sane person would employ the fat Spanish waiter to the club that hates him as much as vegans hate a kebab shop!!
These are all designed to wash their dirty Cossack cash.
We are a below average championship team, and the fans are being robbed of their money and their heritage. Once a titan of football, on the brink of a plummet into the void of the uncertainty. And if this is allowed to continue we will be dropping to the verge of non league, just like Man City, but there will not be the happily ever after for us.

Who would want to sign for a club that is in such disarray? It’s definitely going to be a relegation fight from here on out. The only players we will attract are ones that only want the paycheque that Everton are famous for giving out.
I have said it countless numbers of time, this is the way that Moshiri and Usmanov are running the club, they are just washing money, over spending on players, wages and the best way to wash money, build a stadium.
This is being done in broad daylight. This is why there isn’t the US investment, and to be honest it won’t be coming. It is just stories being made up, just like the story of the board’s safety last season.
I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but look at the facts, Moshiri - top draw billionaire accountant running the club into the ground.
Totally below average squad that is not offloaded and bettered.
Scouting team and DoF working with their hands tied all the time.
Which sane person would employ the fat Spanish waiter to the club that hates him as much as vegans hate a kebab shop!!
These are all designed to wash their dirty Cossack cash.
We are a below average championship team, and the fans are being robbed of their money and their heritage. Once a titan of football, on the brink of a plummet into the void of the uncertainty. And if this is allowed to continue we will be dropping to the verge of non league, just like Man City, but there will not be the happily ever after for us.

Even with the way we play, he's likely to score a few goals and get us up the table. You have to assume that, if we bung a few crosses in for McNeil, Harrison or Lukaku, they will get on the end of some of them.

I was one of the people calling him 'lazy' but I'd rather have a lazy guy upfront who knows where the goal is than a hard-working one who runs round like mad and doesn't know.

It would be worth a try (though I doubt he'd fancy it). Lukaku's style of play is far better to a team set up to defend and attack on the counter (like us) than some of the others that he has played in recently.

I think Mourinho made this observation a few years ago

How exactly has Calvert-Lewin reached the end of the road with us after Sunday's incident? He bravely stuck his head in where Dixie Dean, Dave Hickson and Andy Gray would have gone. He is an absolute warrior in my book.

I also don't see Che Adams as an improvement on what we've got at all – 1 goal in every 5 premier league games and zero assists last season sums him up perfectly. He is a warm body to fill a squad shirt who will make no difference to our current plight.

Don't think I'll include Gary Lineker in that list – to be fair, he had different qualities.

Last season we were dealing in the Cost Cutter end of the market and ended up with Maupay, which to date has been a failure. Now we look as if we are about to sign Adam's, lets hope that works out a bit better for us.

Here’s the reality - He’s not coming back to Everton , but it’s this mentality and quality we need from a striker. Calvert-Lewin has a bit of it, but it’s a very dangerous game to be putting all our striking ability on Dom’s fitness, yet again. We were in the relegation zone with 35 minutes left to play playing that game last season.

I’d love us to sign Gnonto, but it’s the quality of striker signed that will make the difference. Che Adams is better than Maupay, but I’d see it as disappointing recruitment given another full summer window , to not get a better player in for what is the priority position.

But let’s see how it plays out, getting both Gnonto and Adams in will improve us and I’d be happy with that outcome.

Maybe we have the team and manager we deserve. I read on here a few days ago someone stating Coleman now has his coaching badges. Seamus could be manager with Baines as No 2. Seriously, Kenwright would wet his fat knickers with joy!

Perfect.

Andrew, are you working for Everton?

He was born with a bandage wrapped round his head.

I assume you have not heard the recording of the conversation he had with the lady involved, as regardless of whether he has not been proven guilty of any crime, it was appalling.

Assuming the sound recording is legit. I would not watch the blues again, if he signed

In a nutshell, it's not inspiring, it does not make me want to rub my hands and in a steely way say 'right, let's get on with it' or in the words of my first wife's West Ham family, 'let's ave it'.

We could be brighter, more creative, more well erm admirable in this matter of the striker gap, but instead we choose Keane over Branthwaite and 'Everton Adams' over any one of the more interesting and quite likely more effective possibilities that have been put forward on this thread for roughly the same amount of money (although we do seem to want to keep raising our potentially new Scottish wizard's fee).

We needed a Monday morning tonic but I for one woke up to heavy on the stomach dense, chewy, knotty porridge.

There is despair in the air. It's so tangible. We can feel it. It's not just this transfer tragic travesty (Arnaut seems to be a rare splash of sunshine on this score this year), needless to say, our safety-first, Keane-first, risk-averse, dogged, monochrome gaffer has just told everyone with eyes and ears that the whole team could have been subbed at half-time yesterday (the small tide of bluenoses who headed for the exits did not get subbed, but at least 3/10 Gana went off for 4/10 Dobbin).

Dyche is a big part of the problem now, not Kenwright or Moshiri big but he needs to pull something out of the hat soon, like Wolves soon (the beeb page gleefully quotes a blue who thinks that Kettering’s finest will be gone by the end of next month). ‘Miles off it today’, he says in a wake-up-call moment (we can hope). ‘It's a strange one because we were really on it last weekend’ – erm, we lost that game too, maestro.

It looks like we will steal Che from the host of other clubs who are in for him. He is what we are, although he’s banging them in downstairs in the Championship. Look, I’ll give him my full backing if he plays for us at the weekend, but I’m so glum right now – and I am on the more optimistic side of things, usually. I just want to feel a little joy and sunshine watching the club I remain proud to support.

The chances are he'll do his hamstring first game though, I think the clubs cursed/jinxed, it seems so.

Adams
Hudson-Odoi
Gnonto
Anyone who knows us?

Apart from Adams who wants to join us!

I don't see us playing 4-4-2 anytime soon. Certainly not whilst we are in the Premier League. I don't think the lad is cut out for the Premier League and would struggle to score playing for Man City nevermind us.

He works hard, is slow, not a physical threat, not good in the air, and can't finish. I have seen enough to give Cannon a run in the team.

What an ill-judged and misinformed comment :“Greenwood was cleared”.

Greenwood was not cleared. The prosecution's chief witness, namely his girlfriend, withdrew her statement and the case against him collapsed as a result.

The case never got to a trial because she wouldn't come forward and give evidence so he was never cleared.

It's ignorant to assume this means he was cleared and innocent. The “evidence” in the public domain was damning.

You can read into that and speculate – was she paid off by his team? Did he woo her back with watches and roses? Who knows… but read the transcript or listen to the recordings of the allegations – they are more than compelling and they are not able to be defended.

See her bruises and battered body. He is without doubt a nasty piece of work and I wouldn't want him at our club. Fans seem to turn a blind eye to their heroes if they can score a goal but he should be nowhere near any Premier league club and will have to go abroad to salvage any career he had.

Your comment: “I would be surprised if the girl involved was a lady” is shocking. Did she deserve the beating and what happened to her? Have a word with yourself.

Few women post on here and, with comments like yours, one can see why.

Take the time and trouble to view the pictures of her beatings on line, or the transcript of one alleged attempted rape. None of us know why she decided to withdraw her police statement. But that does not mean the abuse never happened.

You can speculate why she withdrew the statement: was she paid off? Threatened? Attention from press? Abuse in social media? Who knows, only she does.

But the evidence is clear, this is nothing like Sigurdsson's case.

As for your final comment, one assumes you meant Ladyboy or prostitute? Whichever, because you allude that, whatever happened, she deserved it, that it's okay, and had it coming?

I thought that people who think like that died out a long time ago. Clearly not, you should apologize to women on this site. Contemptible.

They knew last season we needed a striker. We nearly paid the price with not getting it done. We knew when the final whistle went against Bournemouth last season, our top priority was to bring a striker in. Pre-season has past, two winnable games gone, and still no nearer to resolving our striker issues.

As soon as Moshiri said he wanted Bill staying on to negotiate transfers, my heart sank. I've been dreading the new season for the above reason. I am not one of the doom and gloom merchants; I try to be as positive as I can. I've even stayed clear of ToffeeWeb for a while and kept my opinions to close friends but, for the first time in a long time, I'm worried about our football club.

It is an absolute must we get one or even two strikers in before the window closes, or this time we might not be so lucky.

We have some new blood and they should be getting a start. Yesterday was a no-show for most of the starters despite a half-decent game against Fulham.

Getting Adams may help now that Calvert-Lewin is out again unless Dobbin or Cannon get a shot but I suspect they will just be benchwarmers a while longer or sent on loan.

With Gray seemingly out of favour and Maupay still struggling, the situation has to be arrested now because sitting at the bottom so early is a disaster after the fight they survived last season.

These four players are braver and can hold the ball up higher up the pitch.

Currently we're relying on Danjuma at the weekend. If a striker comes in, strong speculation is Adams, then I think the season may start this weekend. Bizarre how it's been left so late.

Greenwood is back on with his partner, have a recent baby together, and plan to get married. Relationships are odd things, and I have seen this before when abused women cannot walk away. She's given him another chance and maybe he's changed after some sort of therapy.

The case must have been dropped due to her not wanting to proceed or assist the prosecution? Financially for the couple it will be of massive benefit to have got it dropped.

He will surely go abroad.

Maybe Dyche is like a Mountie – he always gets his man – eventually.

I see tonight Greenwood is being linked with Gerard's Saudi team. Perfect. The Saudi regime share his values specifically with regard to women. Henderson the advocate for gay/trans ditched all his values when they waved a fat check in his face.

Today, the UN accused the Saudis of firing artillery shells indiscriminately multiple times at Ethiopian female and children refugees trying to cross the border. Then leaving the dead to the vultures, sending the injured to bombed out hospitals in Yemen and letting the fit survivors come to Riyadh to work on slave wages.

Absolute evil empire. Karl Meighan maybe you'd like it over there as you seem to share Mason's view of women?

In relation to the topic at hand, Chè Adams, I think I am only one of a handful who really want this to happen. I think he will be really good for us and I am hoping it gets pushed through today.

A fighter, strong, good mentality and Premier League experience. Sometimes a couple of faces really freshen things up and puts people on their toes.

I don't think I can take the negativity on here at the moment, it's totally knee-jerk; we need to calm down and get behind the boys. With the fans onside, we will be okay.

For two seasons, we have needed another striker to lead the line, and we still haven't signed one or developed our own.

To be fair to Maupay, he is not a striker who can play the holding role; it seems every Blues fan knows this but apparently Lampard and Dyche think otherwise.

The reports are we have made an improved offer for Adams, while still supposedly having offered £20 million plus for a non-goal scoring winger from Leeds. Still seems we are more interested in getting wide players than strikers, which I find incredible.

I find it strange that Cannon hasn't been given any minutes despite scoring 8 times in the Championship last season; surely he is a better option than Dobbin or Maupay to play the role Calvert-Lewin plays?

Look, if our DOF and manager want Adams, then pay the money and get him in.

Back to Adams, how is somebody who's only around 5ft-9in supposed to replace Calvert Lewin in leading the line of a Premier League club? What's the point in sticking in crosses or long balls for him to hold up if the man marking him is 6 inches taller?

Adams is surprisingly good in the air. He's strong and has a decent leap. I think as I've said earlier he'd do okay for us.

Though I'm wary of spending £15M on him given the other deficiencies in the team. Maybe a centre-back is as big an issue?

Center-back is definitely an issue, it was clear as day at the end of last season that Mina brought stability to the whole side.

I was hoping that Branthwaite would fill the composure and quality gap and that defensive role. Keane time and time again proves he isn't that player. Dyche must really not rate Branthwaite.

Whatever Dyche's thoughts, Branthwaite would need some kind of rotation and back-up. This window should have seen two of Keane, Godfrey and Holgate moved on and someone better brought in. It's easier said than done, but it's Thelwell's job and he's well paid for it.

Very concerned about the right-back position, maybe a solution is to put Young there and bring Mykolenko back at left-back.

We have until next Friday so a lot could still happen, but leaving crucial signings until the last week is extremely risky and could leave us very exposed to blackmail. The main business has to be done this week even if we have to do deals through gritted teeth.

I just hope it's all not left too late and all we have is more hard luck stories, because failure in this window will mean another game of Russian Roulette with relegation, but this time with three bullets in the barrel.

A fit Mina (almost as rare as a fit Calvert-Lewin) was a massive boost to us at the end of last season. We look very soft in the centre of defence at the moment.

Having said that, we look equally soft at right back, and in the middle of the park. Oh, and up front too. Not forgetting out wide. Still, we do have a decent goalie, I suppose.

If Adams (and Calvert-Lewin) really could hold up the ball for the likes of Gnonto, Harrison and a Sigurdsson-type replacement, we would probably score enough goals to stay up and maybe even hit the dizzying heights of 12th or 13th.

Hudson Odoi, even if we were to get him, won't be signed ready for Saturday. Gnonto ditto if we stump up £30M which is totally ridiculous for a player that cost £4M a year ago!

The silence s deafening!
Dither, dither, dither again.
Deadline day panic buys again.
Why, why, why???

Déjà Vu!

"I saw Sean after the season ended and he was so relieved that they got over the line and he felt that they were desperately short.

“There isn’t really anyone that’s gone in there and you can’t really take a team somewhere they can’t go without the personnel.

“Unless they get some personnel and let me tell you they can’t afford to make a mistake – and i’m not sure Che Adams is the right one – otherwise their season is going to be very very difficult.”

All the hallmarks of Rooney, Sigurdsson, and Klassen being signed by 3 departments at everton. Mess on and off pitch.

Not that I am especially adverse to Adams, think he’ll do ok, but I don’t love the idea of spending £15m on him when he’s almost out of contract and we have so many other problems to solve.

How about instead of £25m on Gnonto we spend that money on Ekitike instead and then use our domestic loans to get Sulemana and Kalvin Phillips, sell Iwobi for £18m before his contract expires and use that money to get Oumar Solet from Salzburg.

Pickford
Garner Tarkowski Solet Young
Onana Phillips
Sulemana Danjuma McNeill
Dcl

Bench:
Virginia, Branthwaite, Patterson, Gueye, Myko, Doucoure, Harrison, Dobbin, Ekitike, Chermitti

That squad would surely do ok whilst having some real talent for the future.

It's crazy when the idiots at the VAR control can't make the decision so it goes back to the ref. who then gets lambasted no matter what he decides.

Got to admit football has become a mess but I suppose many people have grown up with the boring possession game of 5 yards forward and 10 yards back. Nobody is allowed to run at defenders anymore. Play like robots as long as you keep possession unless you are an Everton player of course !

The only shining light for me was Danjuma who looked sharp, and I also thought Lewis Dobbin looked ok when he came on. Obviously the loss of DCL was a sickener. I don’t think anyone knew at the time what the exact injury was, because whilst play was ongoing, he suddenly sat down, and naturally most probably thought it was a re-occurrence of his hamstring. I must also say that in my opinion, there was no intent by the Villa goalie to injure DCL, it was just a coming together of two players hell bent on getting to the ball first.

I’m in total agreement, I’d previously posted a comment that I believed the club were curtailing they’re spend on a striker in order to facilitate capture of Gnonto who I believe they may have been prepared to pay over the odds for. I believed this to be a risky strategy.

I can no longer see any reason to continue with this approach with the news from Leeds. We should be merging the monies set aside for a striker and a winger to bring in a proven striker who can deliver.

I haven't seen the Kop-ites red card, I assume it was a second yellow, because yellow cards can't be examined by VAR, if it was a straight red, surely the VAR should have been the final word on the decision. I wonder how the Arsenal player feels about getting two soft yellow cards last night, with no hope of appeal?

A bit of stats for you.

Adams is in the bottom 8% for non penalty goals in his peer group over the last 365 days.

Bottom 20% for expected goals.

Bottom 6% for goals

Bottom 6% for shots on target.

Bottom 8% for goals to shot ratio.

Bottom 15% for ball carries in final third.

So, one fella on here reckons that there were 'many' booing DCL, my mates at the match said it was a tiny number and even then they were not sure that they were actually booing DCL. What did you hear?

Thelwell seems to have adopted this template- leaving Brighton & Brentford to snap up the gems.

The other thing that surprises me about Adams is that, like Maupay, he doesn’t like a Dyche type of forward. Then again perhaps Bill & Kev are making the transfer decisions without asking him?

I agree, but you would have thought, with far more limitations on our spending power, than at most previous occasions. that protracted negotiations, would be off the table. Unless of course, Old Blue Bill, is trying to pull the wool over the supporters eyes – again!

Perhaps, that's the only reason that Moshiri kept the chairman in his job?

I'd rather have Adams and Gnonto than chase a decent striker only to fail to land him by deadline day.

Before the half time whistle blew, we were hearing via texts that Calvert-Lewin had possibly fractured his cheekbone.

You may be right, and given that we are operating with a first team minus Mina and McNeil, even at this early stage, it's proving hard to be optimistic.

Very rare, in my experience, to go to an away game and not end up talking with fellow supporters who are knowledgeable about the game and supportive of the team. Some of the comments since Sunday suggesting that our away support is made up of a bunch of drug-taking Neanderthals is contemptible. Although maybe drugs would help in enduring the crap we've been watching for years.

As Lou Reed sang, don't believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

Why do more than a few on here want to paint us in the worst colours possible and seem to want to outdo each other? Oh, FYI, Ian Edwards is now the self-appointed moral guardian and voice of ToffeeWeb, castigating us for racism and despicable inhumane treatment of the players etc.

What's to say the abuse aimed at Onana was also not a fan of another club? I saw a name but nothing else, unless there has been further information released about this person?

And yes, it was reported the abuse aimed at Maupay came from a Fulham supporter.

I posted on another thread that I think the boos came from a minority of supporters and were borne from a mix of; frustration, misunderstanding of the actual injury and anger at the club management for failing to get a replacement in for DCL yet.

Also, people ignore the fact that Maupay received a good reception from the fans when he came on as sub.

The applause and chanting of ‘Michael Jones he’s one of our own’ seems to have had no mention either (credit to the Villa supporters for standing and applauding too).

Yes, sometimes supporters say and do some really thick and thoughtless things but they are very much in the minority.

A few years ago, I would have reported, without any hesitation, the sad demise of Andy Rankin, but because the news broke, late last night, on a GOT forum, and I couldn't get confirmation of the news anywhere else, I had to be wary that it may have been some sort of misinformation.

Unfortunately that piece of news turned out to be the truth, but it's a very strange world we now occupy, where we have to be so wary of everything that is written or said, and why it is has been written or said, that it's becoming ever more difficult to accept anything at face value, whether it be good or bad news.

No one who 'condemned' the booing, Neil, thought fit to mention the reception for Maupay which. spoke volumes to me about our away fans. Yes, as you know, there are gobshites among them, but there are not too many of them.

I remember looking on gobsmacked at Villa (again), I think it was not long after Moyes left, there were a handful of gormless looking dickheads proud with themselves singing that Moyes was a peadophile to the tune of 'Cum on, feel the noize'. Astonishing, worrying, embarrassing.

Spot on Barry, some posters make you wonder, but as you say that is the nature of the beast.

Dyche has said that there are several “conversations” going on. I don't find that cause for optimism.

Have a look at the Adams stats Ian Bennet posted at #359 – read them and weep.

We could have had Alfredo Morelos training with us at the beginning of this transfer window for zilch. Over a 6-year career, 175 goals in 354 appearances. He is still looking for a club – but he is not good enough for us is he?

Christ almighty, this is worse than I thought. We really don't have a pot to piss in.

Is our stadium ever going to get done or is it going to be forever unfinished? I hope we don't have to sell it to someone who can finish it and then we have to rent it from them.

Adams is a decent player and has the one quality we desperately need. He is a hard worker. And right now he is in form.

Thelwell thinks he is being clever by holding out for a lower fee but he is actually an idiot. We need Adams for Saturday. A half decent striker instead of no one is well worth 15m for us right now.

We go for players who won't come but dither over players who will come. You couldn't make the idiocy up!

We are being taken for fools, allegedly chasing £30m players when we can't afford to buy Adams let alone Gnonto! We will field a team with what we've got on Saturday, only please don't start Maupay!

Let's hope we get a fair hearing in October, but I think we will be clobbered to set an example to others! Point deduction, however small = Relegation and, god forbid, Administration and Liquidation.

I have a question for the club. We were promised a goalscorer in January so why haven't we been identifying and lining up someone since then?

It's ironic, that we let Holgate go, and Adams deal falls through, sound familiar?

Not that it's any consolation, but he isn't going to Leeds!

Still, we have only been looking for 2 years….

Without being a pessimist re signing Beto, Sunday medical booked, Monday he signs! Late Monday, Fulham highjack the deal! Sound familiar?

Why wait until Monday to sign him! If he has a medical on Sunday and passes, sign him Sunday!!! We never learn!

We won't sign him on Monday, it's a bank holiday so no doubt that'll delay it till Tuesday at best!