David Moyes provides Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall injury update after Chelsea clash

As an aside, while Grealish obviously offers something we've only had through Ndiaye and that Man City would want to recover a large part of their £100M outlay, what sort of transfer fee do you think we should pay for a 30-year-old on very high wages and would this affect funds we might have for a right back and striker?

I have this horrible feeling that Man City might just say, "Alright... £25M and Harrison Armstrong".

It will be Ndiaye back on the left and Dibling on the right, simple really. Jack is too old to be given a 3- or 4-year contract.

Moyes needs to get rid of Coleman and Patterson as quick as possible and buy a top right-back.

O'Brien and Garner should not be asked to makeshift, simple.
Then, when this is sorted, find someone who can score goals. Barry and Beto just don’t do it.

He slows the attack down every time he gets the ball.

Besides (allegedly) Jack has said he would only consider signing for Everton, as he has had a new lease of his footballing life and is enjoying it with us. Even though he has become fairly predictable to opposing sides, they still struggle to get the ball off him!

I have never understood the reluctance of many managers NOT to play Patterson when fit and available. He has always seemed okay to me when he has, although the defensive side of his game is suspect -- then why not play him further forward or as a wingback?

I hope the hamstring curse doesn't affect Grealish, Dewsbury-Hall and any other player for that matter! Get back soon, Kiernan, you are sorely missed!

I know where your coming from with Grealish but I disagree. Give him the ball and it sticks. He makes the right decision most of the time.

Get better players around him like a decent full-back and striker and he will look like the player Man City bought.

31 isn't old in today's game. He could play another 4 or 5 years at this level. I wouldn't mind seeing him play more central.

We are better with him than without him.

Grealish had all those players around him at City but Pep decided he didn't need him.

It's not like when he sold Palmer, who wanted more football but the manager couldn't guarantee that and Palmer was on the way up and forced the move.

Grealish loses the ball quite a lot, holds the game up, and is on the way down, has his good moments like yesterday but is out of the game quite a lot.

I doubt very much he has the energy, now, to play central where he would be in the game a lot more than he is now. I wouldn't make it a priority to keep him next season.

He only loses the ball when a foul isn't given.

You can criticise his slowing of the game and his reluctance to shoot but I'm not seeing him lose possession very much at all.

He is a class act and would look better if he had an upgrade to Beto and Barry on the end of his passes.

Grealish may have some minor flaws in his game but the lack of a modern-day left-back is killing whoever plays on the left midfield.

Quite frankly, Mykolenko just isn't fit for that purpose, we've almost gone back to the 70's after having a multitude of attacking left-backs in recent years.

Imagine Grealish with in his pomp Baines or Digne overlapping?

What the team lacks is true cutting edge in the middle of the park, we need a central midfield lockpicker, a player that can see a pass.

This is why, if we had a pacy wide right-midfielder and a proper mobile right-back, I'd be open to putting Ndiaye in the middle.

This is after 4 years of watching terrible football played by awful players.

Both are quality footballers who have improved the team. As Jim says, he cuts inside as lot as does Ndiaye. O'Brien at least tries to overlap but Mykolenko rarely does so. We need better quality fullbacks above all else.

They are both very good footballers and will continue to improve the team,

Jack Grealish is a significant upgrade but his slowing down of the game does our strikers no favours. By the time they get one of his passes, as you call it, the defenders are all set up to defend.

Bread and Butter stuff to competent defenders. I do have concerns that our strikers are not capable of taking half chances but the rate we supply our strikers, I am sure many good strikers would suffer.

We have to get him signed up; if not, you can guarantee there will be a load of clubs lined up to get him.

It's the reason why we go to football -- to watch players like Grealish and Ndiaye, we have not had players like them two for a long time.

I think you are a little harsh on Mykolenko as, since we've had Grealish and Dewsbury-Hall, they have set up little moves where the latter goes either outside of Grealish or cuts inside to the edge of the area, which has led to some of our goals.

If Mykolenko did go outside of Grealish,he would just be getting in the way, which you may notice when he positions himself on the sideline but behind Grealish.

In any case, we still lack somebody to aim at in the box which has only become worse since Calvert-Lewin's departure and yesterday showed how we missed Dewsbury-Hall's runs into the penalty area while even Ndiaye seems to appear on the back post less than he has this season.

I just don't see this special player that fans are making him out to be...

"He rarely loses the ball, it sticks to him"? Really? He's lost it plenty of times in the last three games for starters.

Pickford told him he's scored the winner v Bournemouth although it was the worst game he'd played for us.

He wasn't very good v Man Utd going by most fans' verdicts of the game.

He told Gary Linkeer according to the Echo he thought he'd had a poor game v Notts Forest, he couldn't get it right. The Echo seemed shocked he'd admitted that he'd had a poor game.

To anyone who watched it, it was obvious he'd had a very poor game, except those fans who put him on a pedestal and can't or won't see he's not this outstanding player we'd thought he'd be.

He definitely loses the ball, to a tackle that puts the opposition on the attack, or an over hit ball that goes out for a goal kick.

Which other Premier League club came in for him last summer? Name them if they existed. Which Premier League club will be anxious to sign next summer?

It could get interesting during the festive season when we will already be two bodies down (and both near automatic first team picks).

It would depend if there were any other players we could buy or get on loan who could do a good job for next season who wouldn't cost the ridiculous wages Jack Grealish is on -- never mind any extra fee for someone like Harry Wilson.

He would be better still with no transfer fee but a signing-on fee and probably wages a little bit more than a tenth of Grealish's.

It's likely he would score more than Jack, create more than the assists Jack has provided in the 14 games up to now -- supposedly four... I'm sticking with three!

Would you prefer Jack Harrison instead??? Unbelievable!!!

The Moyesiah has to rotate more and we need at least three quality additions in January.

I'm one fan who has already answered your Jack Harrison question, although the manager, Moyes, said recently we are missing the work that the likes of Harrison put in last season! Unbelievable!

Good shout on Harry Wilson, by the way, even though he was technically a Red Shite at one point.

Why not have both? They could interchange during any game and, if Grealish was injured, we have the perfect substitute.

I still think also that Mykolenko, as much as we all like the lad, blows hot and cold too often, with more cold than hot. The right-baxk slot has long been a bone of contention, and hopefully will be solved sooner rather than later.

How we have ended up with two non-scoring strikers almost beggars belief... B & B -- Blank and even Blanker!

Now how much say Moyes had with Barry getting recruited is again a matter of conjecture. I suspect he had little involvement at all. He is not that bad a judge of a Donkey!

A World Cup year and he will want to make the squad?

Neither of the Bs are much above League Two level as finishers, so expect 14th or 15th as a realistic end-of-season position!

I am not sure why Moyes always reverts to his defensive mindset. I really believe it holds him back from being a truly great manager.

I am also at a loss why he did not give Dibling more of a run out with Ndiaye off to Afcon? We will really be struggling with injuries next week. Looks like we will need to get Harrison Armstrong back from Preston.

And could we not try to get Jesus from Arsenal on loan to the end of the season? Surely he wants to be playing week-in & week-out to try and make the Brazilian squad.

As we know, a striker in January is the number one priority.

Looking at us with injuries and Afcon, Moyes is going to have to play our £40M signing.

I bet he plays McNeil instead of Dibling.

Everton's recruitment in recent times stinks -- we can only hope his 'silk purses' knack won't fail him!

We get a class player like Grealish and some of you want to get rid of him, you must have very short memories! The only way we will have a top team is when we have a team of class players.

Apart from the Arsenal game, we have a run of winnable games, it's a pity we now have a threadbare squad.

Everyone seems to be blanking the fact that Coleman and Patterson are pulling in good wages so that's where Moyes made a big mistake. Coleman's last 3 seasons have been a poor return and Moyes should've sent him packing.

So, just like the strikers, we're stuck with them.

It will probably be a loan for right-back and maybe someone like Rico Lewis could be okay. as mentioned by someone earlier.

O'Brien needs to go in the middle, he's starting to not last in games now... sad really.

Paul #31, seems to me he will have to play both, but if it comes down to those two for Ndiaye's spot, you may be right.

Let's face it, Moyes has been lumbered with some right duffers since he came back.

Hang on Derek, we've just been told by some on here that Moyes was a key voice in recruitment over the summer and for some he was the key wheeler and dealer.

Quite a lot of those duffers were also inherited by Dyche who helped to save us from relegation twice while lumbered with them.

Rico Lewis, what a cracking little player who can play full back as well as midfield, always in the game, never hides.

Unfortunately, I've read that Pep wants to sell him rather than loan him out as he wants the money in order to buy some players himself... although getting £300k a week off the wages bill should help him in that respect.

It is refreshing to see Everton players playing with a smile on their faces, they are clearly enjoying it and it shows in their play.

Grealish however is never without that smile, even when he loses the ball. He really enjoys the game, so he says, but I would prefer to see the occasional scowl and more determination than this perpetual facade.

I really want to know more about injuries; maybe Moyes doesn't want to share the news?

Jack adds so much to our squad; if we lose him for a few games, the difference will be massive. It's hard to believe people are so critical of him. He is expensive, yes, but valuable to us for this season at least.

The next 5 or 6 weeks will be very testing, and a bare bones squad will show.

He only started 3 games last season and 7 the previous season.

We are doing okay, a little bit better than we have been doing for the last few years, but we aren't fighting for honours, and until we are, then we shouldn't be hearing shite like that written from people within the club.

Actually who wrote it and who sanctioned it, I wonder? That's what I'd be asking TFG, if I had anything to do with Everton Football Club.

We have Pickford, who insists on short passes to defenders who are under pressure, and two wing forwards who never have support around them or in the box, which is why they invariably slow the game down so every other player who is still in their own half can catch up.

We'll capitulate against Arsenal and he'll sit in his presser telling us how dangerous Burnley are Forest are on their own turf.

No one forced him to spend £40M on a teenage winger we didn't need rather than strengthen the fullbacks... and no one forced him to spend £27M on Barry, who is as useful as Brett Angell.

Our strikers have absolutely killed us so far this season, Barry's miss on Saturday from 3 yards out another standout mess. Losing Dewsbury-Hall, Ndiaye and Gana will force Moyes to select players he just doesnt fancy... unless he stumbles into a decent formula.

We just can't seem to punish teams who are on a plate, Chelsea included.

I would try to offload both of our hopless strikers who are simply masquerading as footballers for whatever we can get in January and try get a proven goalscorer -- we haven't had one in 10 years...

l wonder where we would be if we'd have had one this season!

Barry isn't firing, but neither is Isak, Gykores, Sesko, Wirtz. Whilst Evan Ferguson, Cunha, etc have hardly faired much better.

Thomas Frank was the best thing since sliced bread on these pages, yet he's getting pelters for the results and quality of performances. Eddie Howe is on the naughty step as well for a derby day defeat where his side stunk like skunks.

It is clearly isn't as easy as some would have you to believe to turn around teams, and sign top talent in an affordable fashion.

Will all the moaners and soothsayers please take note. Moyesy has doubled our points total from a year ago and brought back some respectability to the club.

He always said it would take time and a few transfer windows to get it right but, following 4 wins out of 5, we lose to a £1B squad and, all of a sudden, players are useless and Moyes doesn't know what he is doing.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it is important not to be overly negative at this stage of our recovery.

If we can get a right-back, left-back and a centre-forward, then we could challenge for the Top 6.

The only thing that has pissed me off is he threw the Wolves game, which was our best chance of winning a trophy. We are not great but we are well better than last season.

It's fine to say what Moyes has done since arriving but, on balance, that wasn't a particularly hard task considering how we were mismanaged previously. It was the same when he first arrived after Walter Smith, we couldn't have been any worse apart from being relegated.

There's no point jumping for joy because we shocked the footballing world by anecdotally beating Man Utd when we then get well and trully turned over by a Newcastle side which isn't even playing as well as we are; same for Tottenham.

There's no glory in gaining 3 points up the East Lancs Road if we then give away 6 points & 6 goals to struggling teams below us.

Wolves, who can't score in a brothel, managed a quarter of their tally against us... and then, to add insult to injury, knocked us out of the League Cup.

West Ham? Another struggle against a team who probably and rightly will be in a releagtion battle because their defence leaks like a sieve -- unless they play us of course.

Moyes is already embarking on his usual mantra to manage expectations in a season which is proving to be up for grabs in terms of the lower European places.

There a large number of professionals in the game that would disagree with you... including our current squad.

So according to your screwed knowledge, the following are either dead average or crap:

Thomas Frank, Eddie Howe, Hurzeler, Iraola, Silva and Keith Andrews.

Do you actually follow football?

I must admit I found myself nodding in agreement while reading your critiques of Moyes.

To be fair to him, he has been saying the team needs to do better. But then he balances this with his usual post-match claims that they have played well when they have rarely played much beyond the mediocre.

Will we now pay the price in these upcoming games for his complete failure to integrate Dibing and Aznou into the squad? And his poor use of Alcaraz and McNeil, who are both performing well below where they should be this season through lack of rotation and game time.

I do think he has done a great job during his 2nd spell. We are miles better than under previous managers but he has also enjoyed a kitty to spend on players with arguably only Dewsbury-Hall being a success.

At some point, we will need a new manager and after watching Cardiff City a couple of times this season, I would take Brian Barry Murphy in a heartbeat.

After last season's relegation, he has gone into Cardiff and got young energetic footballers who all want the ball playing some decent stuff.

"stability and competitive football"

"I do think he has done a great job during his 2nd spell. We are miles better..."

See my post #50.

TFG will be pleased with your endorsement.

No denying it, if TFG want stability they have their man. If TFG want trophies maybe not.

Given the turmoil of the last few seasons TFG will bite your arm off for stability.

They'll wait/hope for trophies.

The Covid conspiracy is nothing

Ian (44): 'Barry isn't firing, but neither is Isak, Goykeres, Sesko, Wirtz. Whilst Evan Ferguson, Cunha, etc have hardly faired [sic] much better'.

Ian, I would take any one of those players in a heartbeat over Barry or Beto,

I find this sort of excusing because someone else is below par meaningless in a list of names you dug up without anything more than that. Don't be too hard on Barry because Isak is not doing that well either! Okay, Ian, I think that we should keep Barry and swerve Isak.

Goykeres, for example, has missed games through injury but has still scored double more goals than our two dummies have managed between them. Cunha has been playing very well for Man Utd. The supporters like him. Go to a site and see.