Report From My Armchair: Tractor Obstruction We sounded lively from the start but it quickly descended into a typical end-of-season encounter. The supporters became subdued and the players were going through the motions. Danny O’Neill 04/05/2025 118comments (last) Everton 2 - 2 Ipswich Town Have you ever been driving down those country lanes in Devon, Lincolnshire and Northern Ireland when a tractor gets in your way and slows you down? That's how yesterday felt… A different one for me this week as the planets didn't align and I couldn't travel. So Radio 5-Live it was and watching back the full 90 on the official website. I don't like it as I can't see what's going on. And Chris Sutton commentating had me in dread. I rarely agree with him but he did say late on, "Why not try and win the game"? He also came out with another one, that I begrudgingly agreed with: "The Everton players seemed to have forgotten what this ground means to the fans. They certainly aren't playing like it's the second-to-last game ever at Goodison Park!" Great welcome onto the pitch for the teams. Respect to the 1878s. It's one hell of an effort that goes into creating that and they've excelled themselves each week as the season went on. Good to see the flags of several US supporters clubs' banners draped on the Main Stand side of the pitch. San Diego and New Jersey Blues, amongst others. And of course the loyal Irish blues as always. Not much to judge ourselves on against a poor Ipswich team, but we sounded lively from the start listening to 5-Live, but watching the full 90 back, it quickly descended into a typical end-of-season encounter. The supporters became subdued and the players were going through the motions. I thought we got off to a decent start. Beto with a bicycle kick? At least he had the confidence and eventually got his goal — a cracking header out of reach from the keeper as he planted it in the corner following a great delivery from Alcaraz, who was also key in the build up, laying it off to Mykolenko and then picking up the loose ball from the blocked attempted cross. Jake O'Brien got involved and earned a yellow. He'll learn to do a Tarkowski and laugh or smile at them rather than get involved in handbags at 5 paces. McNeil always seemed to be involved. An unassuming player, but not by me. I wonder how much we missed him? What a finish. Wicked swerve and pace on the ball, that left their keeper planted. Some of his crosses were begging for someone to be on the end of. And he wears black boots. That's an extra mark from me. Then his stunning goal was surpassed by Enciso, who caused us problems all afternoon. A tricky player and a real handful. Sometimes you have to respect, even when it's the opposition. However, without taking anything away from him, our usually resolute defenders stood off and watched him approach, giving him time and space. I doubt he gets that if Tarkowski is playing. No-one took control of the situation. All Pickford could do was shake his hand. Their equaliser? The forward did well and put a firm header to put the ball and Jordan Pickford in the back of the net. I don't want to be critical of Jake O'Brien, because he's been great for us. But at 6ft-7in, he didn't jump or challenge, being more focused on trying to deliberately push the player, which could have ended badly as, if it hadn't been a goal and he was judged to have impeded, that's a potential penalty – and, in the worst case, a red card. The much-admired Liam Delap was arguably lucky to stay on the pitch and, being the first time I've watched him, having heard a lot about him, I wasn't overly impressed. It looked like there was no intent to get the ball when he jumped into Branthwaite with his eyes firmly on our centre-back, not the ball. Ipswich supporters are now added to the growing list adopting that Kopite song. No not that one, the "Allez, Allez" one. It's getting as bad as Hey Jude. I hope we don't have to put up with that if Paul McCartney is announced as singing on the pitch for Goodison Park's last match. All we ask for is to be entertained, with a result being a byproduct of that. Sadly, and once again, we can't sustain it. We allowed Ipswich back into the game and, particularly in the second half, we were increasingly under the cosh. Towards the end, Ipswich seemed more likely to win it. Good to see Garner take control of the situation when Charly and an Ipswich player locked horns, pushing them both away and defusing the situation before the ref got near it. On the substitutes, they were almost irrelevant. it was good to see Dominic Calvert-Lewin back on the pitch, no matter what happens with his contract situation. Jack Harrison? He gives us effort and commitment, but all too often, not a lot else. He's been good for us this season, but the token Ashley Young substitution was to be expected. Two players who won't be here next season. I wouldn't have taken off McNeil, certainly not for a player who won't be with us next season unless the manager has different ideas. And maybe it's just me, but why oh why make substitutions in the 90th minute? It's not just Moyes and Everton, I just don't really see the point as there is little time to impact the game. I can pick out minor points when I watch on the box (or tablet these days), but I liked the Ipswich keeper's response when the crowd were convinced he had handled outside the area. He hadn't, by the way. He looked towards the Gwladys Street and smiled. Nice to see friendly banter still exists in football between players and supporters. Right back is a priority. Nathan Patterson is not there, although he put in a few decent crosses yesterday. He could be kept as cover, but that is about it. I can see him going back to Scotland. Seamus Coleman mustn't have it in him now and I suspect that decision is coming from the player as much as the manager. Rather than him come on for the last 10 minutes against Southampton, I'd prefer to see him lead the team out as captain and then be taken off when appropriate. But only after he scores. If we get a penalty, he has to take it. It's difficult for me to go through the players as usual, when I'm not there. Gana had a quiet day, as did Ndiaye. If I was going to pick a Man of the Match in a disappointing result and performance, I'm inclined to go for Alcaraz. He was always looking to make things happen, even when it didn't come off. Here's an observation, with the benefit of the cameras. The late free kick that we were given following a foul on Ashley Young. It was a foul and having felt the contact, he made sure he got the free kick. Very little difference to what should have been a penalty against Manchester United. A disappointing outcome and a performance that struggled to galvanise the crowd apart from the Ipswich supporters enjoying their last visit to Goodison and the Premier League for who knows how long. Was it the players? Or was it the manager's tactics? Probably a combination of both, I would say. Graeme Sharp in attendance. Although I was outspoken at the time, I prefer to remember him as Everton's record post-war goalscorer. Peter Reid in his usual spec. No longer the midfield general, he looks down like an Everton mafia godfather these days, with Tony Bellew as his minder. Would anyone mess with them two? I have said many times, another godforsaken season I will be glad to see the back of. A big reset is needed in the summer, but how many times have we said that in recent years? But there is hope and optimism that the owners will back the manager in the summer and we will spend wisely, because this squad needs the impending clear-out and reinvestment with better quality players. I have seen social media footage this morning of Delap entering a house on Gwladys Street and signing the wall inside the property. Maybe it's AI-induced fake news, but maybe a sign for those who advocate his signature in becoming an Everton player. We have the foundations: Pickford, O'Brien, Branthwaite, Tarkowski, Gana, Garner, Ndiaye and Alcaraz. Sign him; we won't get better value for money at the reported price and he is still only 22; he will develop and get better if surrounded by better players. Even Mykolenko… not the best, but good enough for now. Fulham next week for a day out on the Thames amongst friends and Evertonians and for some of us, in with the Fulham supporters, but they are a passive bunch and I always find them friendly. But I have a knack of getting on with opposition supporters. . Putney Bridge is calling. Reader Comments (118) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer () Paul Tran 2 Posted 04/05/2025 at 14:52:22 It was in Goodison Road. Delap went in there with Ben Godfrey. Apparently a lot of ex-EFC players have signed that wall. Allegedly, Delap said he was coming to us and the deal 'was done'. I'll believe it when I see it. Tony Abrahams 3 Posted 04/05/2025 at 15:33:51 I have read the arguments both for and against Alcaraz on ToffeeWeb after yesterday's game, and I can understand both sides of the debate.I would lean towards keeping him but only if he can pick his energy levels up, although this is something I could have labelled at every Everton player yesterday.Alcaraz has got to do more, especially because there is no substitute for quality, and his two clever little nutmegs yesterday showed me this kid has got a clever football brain. Jim Bennings 4 Posted 04/05/2025 at 17:14:09 I can still somehow see us ending up this season finishing 17th and getting pipped on the last day by West bloody Ham.I cant see anything but two losses in the away games at Fulham and Newcastle and we all know it would be so Everton to balls up that last ever Goodison game by drawing with Southampton.That blown 2-0 lead against United at Goodison back in February just completely derailed any momentum we had. Alan J Thompson 5 Posted 04/05/2025 at 18:24:19 Interestingly, Danny, while watching on TV there was a shot of Sharp whom the commentator recognized and then it switched to Reid to which the commentator said something along the lines "and there of course, as ever, Peter Reid with..." and nothing more was said as he hadn't recognized Derek Temple. Martin Mason 6 Posted 04/05/2025 at 18:25:10 Good review Danny. I thought that a draw was a fair result and that Ipswich were better (or us just worse) than I expected. A tired and lacklustre end to a tired and dreadful season. I thought that Garner was very good but that the back 4 is much weaker without Tarks and with Patterson. Maybe Southampton with the crowd outside. Jeff Armstrong 7 Posted 04/05/2025 at 21:43:06 Oh, it's not McCartney last game at Goodison — it's The Farm, with massive red Peter Hooton no doubt taking the piss on lead vocals. Paul Ferry 8 Posted 05/05/2025 at 03:34:24 At least one of my old mates, Keith Mullen from Waterloo, one of The Farm's guitarists, is a top Blue, Jeff (7). I used to go away with him back in the day when going away was proper hairy and scary. Matt Traynor 9 Posted 05/05/2025 at 06:12:09 Paul #8, on the subject of Blue's Guitarists (no I'm not talking Eric Clapton), Damon Minchella of Ocean Colour Scene is also a Toffee. I used to work with his cousin (in Hampshire of all places) – and he introduced me to him. Paul Ferry 10 Posted 05/05/2025 at 06:35:25 Great stuff, Matt. And let's not forget the immortal Lee Mavers from The La's, Bill Ryder-Jones from The Coral, Ian Astbury from The Cult, and he who will always be with us Shane McGowan (we need a Pogues song at The Dock). John Lennon and Macca were at the '66 final.And lest we forget: Mary Berry, Tony Blackburn, Gordon Honeycombe, and Mary Whitehouse. Matt Traynor 12 Posted 05/05/2025 at 06:44:09 Paul, my Shane McGowan story:A long time ago, I was working in Brighton (& Hove, actually) and I had a few old school mates down for a weekend of drink and debauchery.The Saw Doctors were doing a gig – we got tickets, and were in a pub next to the venue.Really pissed bloke next to us fell into one of my mates, knocking his pint over. When we saw who it was, no apologies were necessary. We actually offered to buy him a drink (mercifully he declined, as he still had his pint of wine).He performed with the Saw Doctors later that night – and he was awesome. Matt Traynor 13 Posted 05/05/2025 at 06:55:23 And Paul - my last story on music... I was working in Singapore a few years ago. When we got to the Cup Final in 2009, I couldn't get back for the game, so instead had the ignominy of watching it with a load of Man Utd fans (who, to be fair, were wanting us to beat Chelsea). Oh and Viv Anderson was the celebrity compere. Anyway, our sponsors at that time – Chang – really looked after us Blues. Free beer, loads of merch. Including white hand towels with the Everton crest (no, I don't know why...)Fast forward a year later, and I'm on tour with a band from Ireland: 15 shows in 6 countries in 25 days. We didn't have the money to employ a proper tour manager, so soft lad here ended up doing it. They were all Man Utd fans (apart from the lead guitarist who was a Coventry fan!)Because Asia is generally a hot and sweaty place, they asked me if I had any towels they could use for drying their hands, wiping the guitars etc. I had them with me. :)(The band was The Coronas – damn fine band, and bloody good lads.) Paul Ferry 14 Posted 05/05/2025 at 07:14:35 Fuck me, Matt, you have an interesting and boss life mate.I've drunk with Shane more than a few times in Filthy McNasty's Whiskey Cafe in Islington. Islington is normally where I stay over Summer. His number of shots was Olympian and he loved talking Everton. On every occasion he sang Irish/Pogues tunes and he knew every word and quoted Yates at length. Jeremy Corbyn was there twice. Precious times.Did anyone else notice the empties in Man Utd's away end at Brentford? James Hughes 15 Posted 05/05/2025 at 07:19:39 Paul, Amanda Holden is also a Blue. Put her in a suitable outfit and her and Speedo Mick could do a lap of honour. Paul Ferry 16 Posted 05/05/2025 at 07:27:06 Amanda Holden, fully kitted up, has been an important part of my physical development mate (and Sonia!). Danny O'Neill 17 Posted 05/05/2025 at 07:29:59 Shane MacGowan, now there is a blast from my past — and I didn't even realise he was an Everton supporter until recent years.I'm at the stage of life when I've heard Christmas songs that many times, I ignore them. But Fairy Tale Of New York with Kirsty MacColl is timeless.If the quote is true and accurate, Shane MacGowan's response to a couple of questions:What's the best thing about Liverpool?"Everton."What's your favourite memory of Liverpool?"Michael Thomas, Anfield, 1989."Well, simple, brief answers, but get my vote. Paul Ferry 18 Posted 05/05/2025 at 07:56:35 Those quotes are true Danny and once at Filthy McNasty's Shane made up a song about Thomas's goal. It was Islington, Arsenal land, they loved it. Tony Abrahams 19 Posted 05/05/2025 at 08:30:52 We definitely need a new song Paul F, and thinking about Shane McGowan, the tune to Dirty Old Town Paul Ferry 20 Posted 05/05/2025 at 08:52:05 Tony,Thousands Are Sailing and Body Of An American for rabble rousing but Dirty Old Town is poetry for post-match and a missile at the "sign on" pricks. Let's revel in our beautiful, historic, cultural, and traditional dirty old town. Dave Abrahams 21 Posted 05/05/2025 at 09:43:43 Great thread, this.You really don't know the posters on here and the lives they've led but the stories they relate are more than interesting! Tony Abrahams 22 Posted 05/05/2025 at 09:47:48 We met our mates outside Bramley Mooredreamed our dreams by the big blue sea We love them more than life itself Ev - er - tin, Ever - tin💙 Paul Ferry 23 Posted 05/05/2025 at 09:54:42 Love that TA. I'm up way too late with too much red but can take today off and am humming your words mate. Just fancied staying up late while lovely is in CA for the week. New Radicals on now. That could be a BMD song - 'You got the music in you'. Phil Wood 24 Posted 05/05/2025 at 09:55:27 Paul, Tony and Dave and All,An Everton song to tune of Thousands Are Sailing would be awesome. Tony Abrahams 25 Posted 05/05/2025 at 09:55:41 The opening lyrics to Thousands Are Sailing are a definite no-no from me, Paul and Phil. I'm absolutely terrified that the ghost who cursed Goodison is waiting at Bramley-Moore Dock! Rob Halligan 26 Posted 05/05/2025 at 10:01:58 Dirty Old Town…Isn't that sung by Salford City? Brian Harrison 27 Posted 05/05/2025 at 10:03:43 Danny, I bet it was hard work listening to Chris Sutton commentate on our game; I have never heard him say a good word about us ever.I think when we went 2-up, the players thought "It's only relegated Ipswich… it's game over." They went into Man City mode, just passing it around with little intent to look for another goal. Then up pops the lad with a world class goal and, from that moment, the game changed. I don't think we had a shot on target in the 2nd half. Moyes had selected the players we had being asking for and he moved Ndiaye into the No 10 role which I and many others have been asking for. But in the end he had to move Alcaraz from wide left and put Ndiaye back there, probably one of his poorest games for us.Regarding their 2nd goal, there were a few mistakes leading up to the goal. Harrison received the ball in their half and Patterson made a run ahead, more to try and create space for Harrison but Harrison as always took the easy option and played the ball towards Patterson who had no chance of winning the ball, and going down as easy as he did was embarrassing. Mykolenko missed his tackle and the ball went out wide and their wide player got to the by-line. Pickford for some reason is at the near post, there isn't an Ipswich player anywhere near the near post so what he was doing there, I have no idea. The only option for their wide player was to clip it to the far post, which he did, and O'Brien made no attempt to win the ball, a real comedy of errors.I was looking at some stats yesterday and this season we will record the lowest number of home wins in the Premier League… and, even if we beat Southampton in the last, it will still be the lowest amount of wins.Somebody once said "You can't kid all of the people all of the time". Well, for us to keep filling the place out week after week proves that theory wrong. Tony Abrahams 28 Posted 05/05/2025 at 10:08:09 I think it is, now you have just refreshed my memory, Rob!They are scruffy bastards, those Mancs, though and it wasn't lost on the Irish Toffee!That's some tune, Paul, and exactly the reason why I still want to have a bevy, even though it kills me sometimes, mate! Stephen Davies 29 Posted 05/05/2025 at 10:19:24 Dirty Old Town is about Salford. Paul Ferry 30 Posted 05/05/2025 at 10:27:57 ' ... and we raised a glass to JFK ... ' Tony Abrahams 31 Posted 05/05/2025 at 10:36:29 It could have been written about a lot of places though, Stephen, but it was sung by an Irish Evertonian who people had been writing about on this thread, mate! Mike Doyle 32 Posted 05/05/2025 at 10:38:33 Famous celebrity Evertonian Ed ‘Stewpot' Stewart made an appearance in Mike Lyons' testimonial - and as I recall made more assists in his brief appearance than Harrison & Lindstrom have managed all season. Perhaps he might appear? Tony Abrahams 33 Posted 05/05/2025 at 10:52:09 And that, Mike, is the biggest conundrum that David Moyes faces.How does he make us more adventurous without losing the defensive discipline, which is such an excellent base to begin with?A safe pair of hands is how a lot of people have been describing David Moyes, but I suppose a lot of those same people used to utter the words, be careful what you wish for? Colin Glassar 34 Posted 05/05/2025 at 10:57:40 During the Ipswich game we commented on the fact that we need a new, iconic tune for the new stadium. The RS have yawn, Man City have Blue Moon, Arsenal some crap about London etc…I'd go for a revamped version of: Ferry Cross The MerseyIn My Liverpool HomeLeaving Of LiverpoolAll great songs and none of them nicked (yawn - Celtic) from other teams. There must be some creative lyricists out there.Let's put Z-Cars to rest. Danny O'Neill 35 Posted 05/05/2025 at 11:03:07 That run down on the sequence of events leading to the second goal is bang on Brian.I'm not renowned for my musical talent but I like the idea of that song. The Pogues' performance of Dirty Old Town is another favourite.A new one would be good, although I have enjoyed hearing the classics from the past being sung by young and old. Marching from the 60s, Forever Everton from the 70s, Spirit from the 80s along with Here Go. Uniquely Everton.I just hope that dreadful "Everybody's Singing the Blues", again from the 80s doesn't resurface. I never really liked "When Everton Win and Liverpool lose (I think we pinched that off Sheffield Wednesday) and I wish we would drop "If You Know Your History". I used to love "Everton oh we love Everton", which I remember from the 80s going through all of the players one by one. All together now:And we love our:Neville SouthallShaggy StevensPyscho PatKevin RatsDegsy MountfieldPeter ReidTricky TrevAndy Gray / Inchy HeathGraeme SharpPaul BracewellAnd last but not least, Kevin Sheedy. The one who could part the Red Sea, play football on water and feed Goodison with 5 loaves of bread and 2 small fish.Each player repeated twice, with the chorus repeated after each player was introduced to the list. I've not heard it much in recent years. It got lengthy, so maybe one for the train, coach or concourses. Brian Harrison 36 Posted 05/05/2025 at 11:10:37 When my Sons and Grandson walked out of Goodison after the Ipswich game, I said well just one more visit hey lads. To which my eldest Son replied "Great, I hope they burn the place down after the last game. All it's given me is 30-odd years of misery. Obviously his memories are very different to mine, I don't think we should burn it down, although I can understand his sentiments. I do think moving to the new stadium, we should leave the siren, which I hate, and Z-Cars with the Dixie and Holy Trinity statues. New stadium new era, start a-fresh. What is the general consensus: keep or ditch the siren and Z-Cars? Tony Abrahams 37 Posted 05/05/2025 at 11:13:59 It was always a song for Europe, Danny, when people have got time on their hands because theyre on the ale for a few days.My brother said exactly the same thing to me on Saturday, when I asked him what was missing?We need a new song, he said, although I was alluding to a massive flag, with a picture of our first championship winning medal featuring a blue liver bird!My oldest has been saying the same thing about Goodison for years Brian, and he said the Ipswich game probably summed up his years being an Evertonian, better than anything.Lets ditch the songs but keep the safe pair of hands, even though that safe pair of hands made a massive contribution to how Everton football club are now perceived. Paul Tran 38 Posted 05/05/2025 at 11:28:53 Loving the Shane McGowan stories, here's mine.It was 1984 and we made our daily trip to Portsmouth Poly Students Union for some ale & pool. We couldn't get on the tables due to older musician types. Turns out they were the unknown band playing that night. The Pogues. The only smart-looking one was Shane, hammered and articulate, loved the fact I was a Blue. Top lads, so we went in to watch them. They were fabulous. They had a bucket behind the drum kit and four of them threw up in it. Followed them ever since. Colin Glassar 39 Posted 05/05/2025 at 11:32:39 Brian 36, ditch both. I could never understand why we never adopted a Beatles song back in the day. A missed opportunity Andrew Merrick 40 Posted 05/05/2025 at 11:37:27 Brian 27, watching the replay for their second goal showed a significant deflection turning the attempted cross into a looping ball. I doubt O'Brien would have time to adjust for that but, as you say, what was Pickford doing?These moments are the ones we comment on because they seem avoidable errors, but I doubt that Jordan will ever be a "Commanding" style of keeper. Brian Williams 41 Posted 05/05/2025 at 11:38:42 Keep Z-Cars and the siren. You don't just get rid of everything because you're moving to a new stadium. Some things are just "us."Okay, the siren's recent but ditching Z-Cars… not for me. It's a tradition I'd miss. Andrew Merrick 42 Posted 05/05/2025 at 11:52:16 It's great to see / hear music entering the thread, I know a couple of tour managers, and when I was younger it led to too many gigs and parties, and although I am mostly a '70s fan, I found myself in Cream quite often.Guys like Rory Gallagher and Alex Harvey could really entertain a crowd, so could Jimmy Page and Dave Gilmour, moving forward in time a bit the Waterboys and Coldplay can do it too...As for Anthems in the new ground (whatever it ends up being called) we could do with a brand new one, but he siren and Z-Cars give me shivers in a good way... Brian Harrison 43 Posted 05/05/2025 at 12:00:41 Brian 41,I understand exactly, but when I started going to Goodison there was no Z-Cars, no pre-game warm-up, just players running out 5 minutes before kick off, a little sprint and that was it. I don't believe the siren is just us; it was only introduced because Bellew had it as part of his ring walk for his fight at Goodison, so nothing to do with football at all. Jeff Armstrong 44 Posted 05/05/2025 at 12:01:19 Mike #32,I was sat next to Ed Stewart when we lost the league at Oxford in 86, Lineker's boots got left behind and he missed a few chances that night, Stewart was a decent bloke and a good Blue, started supporting us after a relative took him to Stamford Bridge and we got twatted 6-2, he became a supporter after that. Dave Abrahams 45 Posted 05/05/2025 at 12:14:38 Colin (39), I liked the Rolling Stones, wasn't fussy on The Beatles.It seems like we have been at war with the football authorities, our owners, the last chairman, and his cronies the last few years so for the last game v Southampton and, with the 80th Anniversary of the Second World War ending I think the last song at Goodison could be We'll Meet Again? Maybe not! Joe McMahon 46 Posted 05/05/2025 at 12:17:19 Brian @36, I fully agree with your son and I'm 55! Goodison (for me) is very dated with facilties from the 60s, and wooden cramped seats. The only success I've known was 4 years as a teenager, and 18 months with Big Joe. It won't happen but I'd like a restart also. No Grand Old Team and "The People's Club" (embarrassing). Taking to the pitch to the Ace Of Spades by Motörhead, some real rousing noise.The fact there have been 4 Everton victories at Goodison all season really does scream the Bayern game was 40 years ago. David Moyes, the longest serving Everton manager, is a negative failure. That's our history. Martin Mason 47 Posted 05/05/2025 at 12:30:09 I always thought that Ferry Cross The Mersey was the one for us and how appropriate for where we are moving. Great Song too. Geoff Cadman 48 Posted 05/05/2025 at 12:46:53 Matt #13,Your post reminded me of a bus in Singapore advertising Chang beer, it had the Everton squad painted on the side. I had to do a double take when I saw it.I wasn't struck on the siren when it was started, but some how missed it when they stopped using it. I am all for keeping Z-Cars. Dave Abrahams 49 Posted 05/05/2025 at 12:55:25 I sat next to Billy Butler and his radio mate Wally the night Ferguson and Rideout scored the goals when we beat Liverpool 2-0.After about 25 minutes, Billy had hardly moved and never uttered a word, I said to him “I thought you was an Evertonian, you haven't opened your bleedin mouth since the game started – and [nodding my head at Wally] who does he support?” Billy he said “ He's not really interested in football” I got Wally by the throat in a pretend choke and said “Well, what the fuck is he doing here then?” Billy livened up a bit after that, especially when the two goals went in. Wally kept a wary eye on me the rest of the night but Billy was taking the piss out of him on their radio show the next morning about the incident. Steve Brown 50 Posted 05/05/2025 at 12:56:40 Paul @ 10, some more famous blues.Gareth Evans, the Director of “The Raid” and “Havoc” is a blue. As are actors Dolph Lundgren, Michael B Jordan and George Costigan. Colin Glassar 51 Posted 05/05/2025 at 13:00:20 I agree, Martin. It's an iconic Liverpool song and seeing we now own the Mersey, what could be more fitting?Dave 45, (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction would be very apt after so many years of frustration. Dave Abrahams 52 Posted 05/05/2025 at 13:09:30 Colin (51) Yes, that would be apt. Maybe Waiting For A Friend would be better with our new owners being the friends we've waited a long time for! Colin Glassar 53 Posted 05/05/2025 at 13:20:26 Dave, Peter Gabriel's, Don't Give Up even better. As long as Kate helps us sing it.I don't want to turn this political but, hats off to our parents and grandparents and all vets for VE Day. The greatest generation. Tony Abrahams 54 Posted 05/05/2025 at 13:27:22 If it had a Gabriel connection, then hopefully it's Shaking The Tree with Daniel Amokachi on the drums! Andrew Ellams 55 Posted 05/05/2025 at 13:29:39 Thing with Ferry Cross The Mersey is its association with Gerry Marsden. Mark Mann 56 Posted 05/05/2025 at 13:42:57 Re a song for the new stadium. Only one winner:https://youtu.be/o6drD2SCwHE?si=BGwyJ_ay94XrbDbtYou're my world, you're every breath I takeYou're my world, you're every move I makeOther eyes see the stars up in the skiesBut for me, they shine within your eyesAs the trees reach for the sun aboveSo my arms reach out to you for loveWith your hand resting in mineI feel a power so divineYou're my world, you are my night and dayYou're my world, you're every prayer I prayIf our love ceases to beThen it's the end of my world for meWith your hand resting in mineI feel a power so divineYou're my world, you are my night and dayYou're my world, you're every prayer I prayIf our love ceases to beThen it's the end of my worldEnd of my worldEnd of my world for meTender!!! Danny O'Neill 57 Posted 05/05/2025 at 14:05:11 As always Colin, it was a great spectacle in only the capital and the British can do. Good to see the Commonwealth (then Empire) nations represented as well as the Police, Fire and other emergency services.I regularly visit Ieper (Ypres in French) and the WWI battlefields and cemeteries. Plenty of recognition to the likes of the Sikh, Australian, New Zealand, Canadian and South African nations, amongst others that fought alongside the British. I discovered a cemetery and memorial to the Liverpool Scottish Regiment in those Flanders Fields.I've also been to Arnhem famous for the Bridge Too Far in WW2. From a British Force of over 10,000, including a Polish Brigade, nearly 1,500 were killed, 6,500 captured as PoWs or missing leaving less than 4,000 making it out to fight another day.Quite staggering when you think about it. Two remarkable generations.My generation had it tough, but nowhere on that scale.I wonder and would like to think that football could mark the anniversary this coming weekend. I understand sport and politics shouldn't mix, but it would be fitting. Unless it's been done this weekend. Danny O'Neill 58 Posted 05/05/2025 at 14:12:55 I don't think I'd be comfortable with Ferry Cross The Mersey. I know it wasn't written about them, but there is association with that other song. Brian Williams 59 Posted 05/05/2025 at 14:28:57 Does anyone think the Red Shite would drop YNWA if they moved to a new stadium? Geoff Cadman 60 Posted 05/05/2025 at 14:38:56 Ferry would be fitting with our new location. Unfortunately the RS would no doubt accuse us of disrespecting Hillsborough if we adopted it. Neil Copeland 61 Posted 05/05/2025 at 14:41:04 Brian 59, there is no chance of that happening and neither should we drop Z-Cars for the same reason.Why can't we introduce another song as well as Z-Cars? In My Life (includes the line “there are places I remember” would serve as a nice tribute to Goodison. Perhaps we can change it every so many years? Colin Glassar 62 Posted 05/05/2025 at 15:09:05 Good call, Neil. That's a great song and Everton-related words could be incorporated into it. Okay, Z-Cars is a good, historic, tune to run out to but an iconic anthem before each game would be great.Andrew, Danny, Geoff: they've appropriated everything about our city. It's about time we started taking it back, including the music!!Danny 57, we certainly do know how to put on a parade. This was very inclusive and was great to see commonwealth representation and loads of civic groups. My dad fought alongside Indian, Kiwi, and Polish troops in North Africa and Italy during the war and he was so grateful to have them next to him. Ray Robinson 63 Posted 05/05/2025 at 15:32:37 Ferry Cross The Mersey for me. I can't see why it's in any way disrespectful to Hillsborough — and so what if it's by the same singer as YNWA?However, as Colin says, we also need an iconic, upbeat anthem to run out to. Despite my years, I find the magnificent Thunderstruck by AC/DC as energising as any. If that doesn't get you going, not much will. Danny O'Neill 64 Posted 05/05/2025 at 15:36:51 Respect, Colin. My Grandfather fought in Burma. I have his medals framed and mine are going to sit below them.I always think it's a shame VJ doesn't get the same recognition. I believe they said this week was about both, but victory over Japan happened in the August and today, if it was supposed to be joint, it barely got a mention.Brian, if only they would. I'd rather walk alone.On the music theme, the words to Ray Charles's I Can't Stop Loving You always make me think of Everton. But that's just emotional Danny coming out. Mike Gaynes 65 Posted 05/05/2025 at 16:01:05 Ray #63, that's a good nomination. I'd also put in a vote for "Jump" by Van Halen.Danny #57, it's awesome that you take so much time at those historic battlefields. If you ever get the opportunity, make sure you visit the USS Arizona memorial at Pearl Harbor. Powerful. V-J Day is a much bigger deal over here, for obvious reasons. Eddie Dunn 66 Posted 05/05/2025 at 16:48:15 I wouldn't ditch Z-Cars.I would find a pipe band to play it before every match. Mark Murphy 67 Posted 05/05/2025 at 16:48:45 Mike, on that note my missus has joined a book club and tonight they're discussing Philip K Dicks's The Man In The High Castle, in which an alternative future scenario has the Nazis and the Japanese, having won the war, ruling the USA. It made me wonder why the Germans and the Japanese became allies in the first place… and why actually did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbour?? It's not very clear to me. Anyway, the TV series is very thought provoking (Rufus Sewell plays an excellent roll as a Nazi oberhruppenfuhrer) but, according to my wife, very diffferent from the book.(As is Bladerunner from “Do androids dream of electric sheep?”) Danny O'Neill 68 Posted 05/05/2025 at 17:06:24 Mike, I'd love to. I've done a lot of American Civil War stuff stateside.There are plenty of US memorials and cemeteries in Belgium too. I always find the German ones more poignant. As the victors, our headstones are white. Theirs a black, I assume as a mark of shame?I worked and lived in Anzio, near Rome. We used to hold Remembrance at the British Commonwealth cemetery in Anzio and the US one in nearby Nettuno, both famous for the allied Anzio landings in 1944. I always visit both on my annual returns.And the seafood is to behold. A lot of the Roma and Lazio players frequent a certain restaurant on the picturesque a harbour. Jack Convery 69 Posted 05/05/2025 at 17:10:49 Thanks again for a good report, Danny. I like you listened to Sutton on 5 Live. Can't start the man but he was right with those comments he made. Typical Moyes response to going 2-nil up and the reason why I want a young, fresh approach come August. I just hope he keeps Charly but worry he keeps Doucoure and Harrison. Both work horses which is what Moyes prefers over skill and ambition. Gerry Quinn 70 Posted 05/05/2025 at 17:22:36 Would love to see some kind of recognition for those who served...my Dad was a huge Evertonian and served as Sergeant with the Paras (Kings Regiment and for a short time with the Liverpool Scottish)...I helped make up his web page in their Para website - even had a beautiful frame made for medals, photos and Service Book, etc...https://paradata.org.uk/content/4643651-sergeant-bryan-quinnHe missed out on Arnhem because he sustained a back injury – something he was so grateful for when he heard what had happened in the raid. He never mentioned the war except to say that his younger brother, serving in Burma, did more damage to the British soldiers than the Japs ever did – because he was a chef!!!! Colin Glassar 71 Posted 05/05/2025 at 17:54:23 Danny 68, my dad fought, and was badly wounded, at Anzio. After recovering he fought all the way up to the River Po in Italy and then was part of the occupation in Austria where he met, and married, my mum. Uncles Phil and Dave as well. Unfortunately, all three were reds. Well, no one is perfect. Alan McGuffog 72 Posted 05/05/2025 at 18:41:00 Five articles on Alexander Arnold on the Beeb website. Is this a record ? Liam Mogan 73 Posted 05/05/2025 at 18:48:39 Don't you mean 'Trent', Alan? Colin Glassar 74 Posted 05/05/2025 at 18:50:20 Alan, it just goes to show the stranglehold they hold, not just over the bbc but the English media in general. I dont have the numbers but a large portion of football pundits and co-commentators are former rs players. Carra dominates the written and visual media with his non-stop anal comments.Even alky Aldridge was dragged out of his local opium den to give his “observations” about this earth shattering news. Sickening Mark Murphy 75 Posted 05/05/2025 at 19:17:02 My Grandad Williams, on the Welsh side, flew one of the gliders into Arnhem.My mum said he went to war a nice man and came back very different. Alan McGuffog 76 Posted 05/05/2025 at 19:25:41 Started watching a " Scandie" series last night. About Denmark being submerged by rising sea levels.There is a little lad, good at footie, in it who has been offered an academy place with an EPL club. Go on, have a guess which one.Can we ever escape it ! Si Cooper 77 Posted 05/05/2025 at 20:20:52 Z Cars gives me goosebumps and Id really miss it if it was ditched.Ive seen Wipers for Ypres, Danny (as in ‘the Wipers Times) but not Ieper.Its all well and good making suggestions for a new song / anthem but whos going to organise the choir? Its ages since I went to a home game and experienced anything like sustained singing or chanting. Paul Ferry 78 Posted 05/05/2025 at 20:26:49 Brian W (41): agree completely. Z-Cars might not be an anthem (good) but everyone with half-a-brain knows that its us when those drums start. It should be heresy, blasphemy, sacrilege to even think of dumping the only song that is us. Wish it would be played to the absolute end when it goes all jazzy improv. I hate the siren. Its all about Bellew and our former narcissistic chairman who used to love getting his evil tongue deep deep deep into Bellews ass. We should be taking as little as possible to the Dock that has been touched by that lying conniving twat me me me me me and the train set Kenwright. We should offer the siren to Watford. ‘Ferry cross de Mersey is a great idea. Stirring, rousing, moving, emotional, relevant, inspired. The toppest of top shouts. Banging Ferry out in a blue wave of sound all over the ground moments before kick-off is inspirational. And Thousands are Sailing for the thousands crossing the river.Feck right off with Yank Jump. I could imagine Waterfront down there on the waterfront and then straight into the Ferry song.I once got a taxi from Lime St to the match with Amanda Holden and we ended up not going to the match. Colin Glassar 79 Posted 05/05/2025 at 20:30:26 I once got into a taxi with Holden and Dixon, Paul. Beat that. Paul Ferry 80 Posted 05/05/2025 at 20:34:14 Lee Colin? Danny Baily 81 Posted 05/05/2025 at 20:35:24 I could take or leave the siren, but I think Z-cars is a great tradition that we'd be mad to abandon. On that topic, I seem to remember that we did stop playing Z-cars for a while back in the 90's, and it was quickly brought back.What would I add at the new stadium? A light show if we win an evening game. The rest can come organically, just like the resurgence of Spirit of the Blues. Paul Tran 82 Posted 05/05/2025 at 20:40:39 Surely the obvious one would be Simple Minds' Waterfront? Paul Ferry 83 Posted 05/05/2025 at 20:45:28 Been saying since this all began PT. I wouldn't mind Into the Valley on the playlist to remind us of home. Colin Glassar 84 Posted 05/05/2025 at 20:45:49 Dixon of Dock Green Rob Halligan 85 Posted 05/05/2025 at 20:55:02 Z Cars will never get ditched, but a good alternative would be The Seekers singing “We Shall Not Be Moved”. Released in 1966 as well. Would have to be an instrumental version though………….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1Awug6zeMYWe shall not, we shall not be movedWe shall not we shall not be movedJust like a team thats playing by the waterside We shall not be moved! Paul Ferry 86 Posted 05/05/2025 at 20:57:11 Brilliant Rob and that song is tradition in the best way possible - 'Just like a team thats playing by the waterside'. Brilliant.Tony A will absolutely love this idea.Waterfront We Shall Not Be MovedThe Ferry SongZ-CarsSorted. Dave Abrahams 87 Posted 05/05/2025 at 21:13:07 I think a lot of men who fought in the Second World War kept their thoughts, of how they fought and what they saw during that time, to themselves especially about the comrades who fought alongside them and never came home.I worked on a fruit barra in town and this man, an absolute gentleman use to come every day and get three pieces of fruit but always got in the long queue, I told him not queue up and Id have his fruit ready for him but he insisted he couldnt be served before people already in the queue.When the celebrations were due for the 50th. year after the war I asked him would he be celebrating like most people——He said no he wouldnt hed prefer to forget about the war, I asked him did he play a part in the war he told me he was a bomber pilot and I understood why he preferred to forget about he war.I watched a lot of the tributes and also the scenes of the war itself but I loved the celebrations of the day it was announced that the war was over—— how absolutely wonderful they felt about such a joyful day. Danny O'Neill 88 Posted 05/05/2025 at 21:32:12 Dave, lovely story for the wrong reasons. We all like to forget most of it apart from the camaraderie. And apart from to close family and trusted friends, you don't speak about it. Not in detail.Forget football, nothing bonds you when are depending on each other like your life depends on it. You forget the politics or reason you are there. You just look out for each other and and want to be thankful for getting home.I've just had a musical thought. The Whole of the Moon by the Waterboys. Only because we used to go to my mate's dad's Italian restaurant, Buca di Baccos, just near Matthew Street after Everton matches. He used to pick us up in his white van back to town. No windows, no view into the front, no seats, no seat belts. Great days!!! Paul Ferry 89 Posted 05/05/2025 at 21:56:06 We need to adopt a really silly shite song to sing like Mull of Kintyre to get on the tits of other fans.What's Another Year: J Logan?Don't Give Up On Us: Soul boy?Angelo: Brotherhood of Man?Bright Eyes: Art?Annies Song: Denver?Float On: Floaters? Tony Abrahams 90 Posted 05/05/2025 at 21:59:44 I love the waterfront suggestion, it reminded me of the time I hitchhiked to Milton Keynes Bowl, in 1986 to watch Simple Minds, and we shall not be moved has always been my favourite Everton song.I have never really liked Ferry across the Mersey, because I hate that phoney bastard Marsdan, so Id replace that with one of my top ten of all time favourites “Brothers In Arms” Id keep Z-Cars, and I would find some lyrics to the tune of Biko!August 25, on the banks of the big blue seaWe finally went to Bramley Moore to see the next phase of our history Oh Everton, Everton, because Everton!You can blow out a candle but you cant blow out a fire And when the flames begins to catch our fans will take us higher! Paul Ferry 91 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:08:20 Each to their own Tony mate. But Brothers in Arms? zzzzzzzzz What about Big Rob's suggestion: Seekers, We Shall Not Be Moved: 'Just like a team thats playing by the waterside'.Dancing in the Dark by Bruce is a sort of bouncy singalong with short lines for new Everton lyrics. Tony Abrahams 92 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:21:51 Keep thinking Paul, its very important mate!Seriously I often put sunshine on Leith on my iPad, love watching Celtic fans singing Grace, or Ajax, with their three little birds, and the only song Ive ever heard Evertonians singing properly is definitely “we shall not be moved”I think we all want another one, I think most of feel that we definitely need another one, so keep up the suggestions everyone and once we get through the countless bad shouts, we might just get somewhere😂🤞 Brian Williams 93 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:25:12 "When you're smiling" was another one that used to be sung well. Andy Crooks 94 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:31:22 Paul @89, yes that's the answer. I would add David Dundas's catchy classic " Jeans On". Which was of course the Brutus jeans add. A few adjustments to the lyrics and we have a ready made Blue anthem. Rob Halligan 95 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:31:29 Paul # 89………Float on by the Floaters. 😂😂😂😂Can you just imagine it…….Aquarius, and my name is Hewitt!! Now I like a woman who loves her freedomAnd I like a woman who can hold her ownAnd if you fit that description, baby, come with me and watch a game of rugbee!!😂😂😂😂 Paul Ferry 96 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:32:10 WITHOUT YOUR KECKS ON Paul Ferry 97 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:36:59 'Ooh, yeah, take my hand / Let me take you to Love Land / Let me show you how sweet it could be / Sharing your love with Hewey' Danny O'Neill 98 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:37:40 Sunshine on Leith by Hibs gets the heckles going.We shall not be moved should be regalvanised. Just like a team that's going to take the City and football back. Brendan McLaughlin 99 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:39:50 John Lennon's"Stand by me" Paul Ferry 100 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:43:56 'Leave alone DO: 'Just like a team thats playing by the waterside'.Andy (94): didn't we consider that the look at the time? The ladies went wild. First line is promising. We could work with 'When I wake up in the morning light'. A lot rhymes with 'light' - ' keep it tight'? Brendan McLaughlin 101 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:46:16 "If the Sky sixThat I look uponShould crumble and fallAnd the Shite get washed out... to the sea.NO I WON''T...BE AFRAID"And for the chorus when we steal THEIR sponsorship...Oh Carling, Carling...Don't tell me the bastards already sing this! Paul Ferry 102 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:55:04 Has the right feel about it that tune Brendan. What was that acapella thing by the Housemartins? Caravan of Something? Love? Don Alexander 103 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:55:27 Iconic TW thread this!How about "Keep Right On To The End Of The Road"?It'd be a knockout song from a large crowd - seriously! And Z Cars/Johnny Todd should be eternal - it's all about our city after all. Alan McGuffog 105 Posted 05/05/2025 at 22:59:21 Danny...Sunshine is the best football anthem ever, without doubt. I just love it.Brendan Ben E King surely ? Paul Ferry 106 Posted 05/05/2025 at 23:01:05 Claire by Gilbert O'Sullivan would do the trick nicely and we could very imaginatively sub Claire for a player's name, as in: 'Doucey, the moment I met you I swear' Brendan McLaughlin 107 Posted 05/05/2025 at 23:11:09 Alan #105Of course... I just thought the John Lennon shout would strike more of a chord. Alan McGuffog 108 Posted 05/05/2025 at 23:12:41 I see what you mean Brendan but it depends on how you view John Lennon I guess. Anyway a cracking song mate. Alan McGuffog 109 Posted 05/05/2025 at 23:13:59 Don...dyou really want to borrow a song from Birmingham City ? Brendan McLaughlin 110 Posted 05/05/2025 at 23:27:02 Alan #109You're feisty tonight! Alan McGuffog 111 Posted 05/05/2025 at 23:42:08 It's me chalfonts Brendan. Playing me up summat shocking 😲 Don Alexander 112 Posted 06/05/2025 at 00:19:13 Alan, I obviously know bugger all about Birmingham City but manage to get along anyway. Thanks for the insight though!And may the Lord, or someone even more special, assuage yer ass. Ian Davis 113 Posted 06/05/2025 at 00:48:27 The Beatles - In My Life, the original draft lyric sheet version would be my choice“There are places Ill remember,All my life, tho some have changed,Some forever but not for better,Some have gone and some remain.Penny Lane is one Im missing,Up church and to the clocktower,In the circle of the Abbey,I have seen some happy hours.Past the tramsheds with no trams,On the 5 bus into town,Past the Dutch and St. Columbus,To the Dockers Umbrella that they pulled down.All these places have their memories,Some are dead and some are living” Paul Ferry 114 Posted 06/05/2025 at 01:17:33 Spot on Ian (113): that's the best Beatles song and the most relevant by a country mile. I've been advocating that song for ages and it would work great with the Seekers We Shall Not Be Moved. Alan J Thompson 115 Posted 06/05/2025 at 06:44:31 Ian(#113); Surely it was the No.4 that went passed the Abbey, the No.5 went along Smithdown Road.Some years ago I was back and attended a game at Goodison and after the match walked down to Spellow Lane to catch the 46 to Penny Lane and asked a bloke where it stopped now. He replied that it now stopped on County Road and was called the 62.There's no place like home. Tony Abrahams 116 Posted 06/05/2025 at 07:44:07 I went to bed thinking of that song, Ian, and think it would go down very well, mate.Another great catchy song I remember people used to sing before the ecstasy took over was Forever In Blue Jeans by Neil Diamond.So much better than that Sweet Caroline shite, but definitely not as good as AHorse With No Name when everyone joins in with the chorus. Colin Glassar 117 Posted 06/05/2025 at 08:14:35 We Shall Not Be Moved, Just Like The Team That's Going To Win The ………. We Shall Not Be Moved. Therein lies the problem with this song.In My Life is a brilliant song. Ed Fitzgerald 118 Posted 06/05/2025 at 08:37:45 Personally, I cant abide mawkish anthems that some clubs have adopted. Z Cars or Johnny Todd to give it, its proper title, is a stirring battle cry and more importantly its ours. The provenance of the music dates back to a shanty/song way back to late 1800s and was sang by children in Liverpool. It was good enough for Bob Dylan to cover, and the lyrics mention Liverpool and the sea, which seems appropriate now we are going to BMD. It certainly has more relevance than a Howard Keel Ballard/Dirge from an American Musical that the RS sing. I would definitely lose the air raid siren. If people want a song then for my mind it would have to be ‘In my Life by the Beatles. Ian Jones 119 Posted 06/05/2025 at 08:57:05 So two threads with our views on songs. In the other one, In my Liverpool Home came up a few times as well as on here. I like the following lines replace the words Liverpool with Everton and Cathedral with Stadium and it works until Goodison has been repurposed!In my liverpool home, in my liverpool homeWe speak with an accent exceedingly rare,Meet under a statue exceedingly bare,And if you want a cathedral, we've got one to spareIn my liverpool home... Roy Johnstone 120 Posted 06/05/2025 at 10:19:58 Fair assessment, Danny. We are just not good enough, particularly when possession switches. Some makings of a decent side, but centre mid need to be stronger and more mobile.I did like the fact that we won a header in their half for the first time since Dom was injured. Says it all that it was Dom that won it. If his demands aren't stupid, I would keep him. Look at what Chris Wood can do with better runners around him.My last time ever at Goodison with my son. 48 years, approx 400 games. We should have won it, but we didn't lose, so I can take that away with me. The 1878 flags were magic. Emotional day for the two of us. Geoff Cadman 121 Posted 06/05/2025 at 15:03:42 We Shall Not Be Moved makes sense with playing 'by the waterside'. The irony is… we will have just moved to get there!!! Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. How to get rid of these ads and support TW © ToffeeWeb