Everton and AS Roma to work on signing Wesley Franca from Brazil

Why would we sign him for €30M and loan him out to Roma?

Mark, I mentioned it the other day, but are we to be the junior partner in his marriage?

Are we to be Roma's feeder club, or vice versa, or are we to be equals? I'm intrigued to find out.

Maybe for Visa reasons?

We need a right back, we sign a right back, we loan him out to somebody else. Makes little sense to me.

How are Palace and Lyon doing with Europe and relegation?

He has 2 Brazil caps. Him going on loan to Roma isn't that far-fetched if we can't get a work permit.

It would be annoying when other clubs do mind...

Huw could be right.

Branca IS an Italian name after all – wasn't Luca Branca a heavy in the first Godfather film?

Maybe Roma gave us an offer we can't refuse?

Mark, it was Luca Brasi and he sleeps with the fishes.

Why waste a big chunk of our budget?

Sounds very far-fetched to me!

If AS Roma pay a loan fee of more than the first installment, how is it a waste of transfer fee, Dave?

Only Everton could have no decent right back and be involved in a story suggesting we spend millions on a right back on behalf of another club.

Sounds like the accountants are working overtime!

He sounds like the exact player we are looking for.

We don't need to be wasting are money on players for Roma when our squad is so thin.

If it's true, I don't reckon Moyes would be happy with it!!

Why don't Roma just buy him themselves?

Ian B has it exactly right. From a PSR perspective, it is a no-brainer if Roma's fee for loan is equal to the PSR calculation for the purchase this year which will be 1/4 or 1/5 of the transfer fee depending on the contract length.

If he turns out to be a good one, then we get the benefit of any future transfer fee. To me, this suggests that Roma are the feeder club as, in this situation, the future benefit would be toward Everton.

If there are visa issues for playing in the Premier League, due to him not having enough caps, but he is a potential superstar, then it makes loads of sense to loan him to Roma while he racks up enough international call-ups to get that visa.

We pay a cheaper price than we would for an established international, Roma cover the cost of the first instalment.
Surely this is the way the multi-club model is supposed to work?

You’re right Allen, I must’ve got confused with his sister, Fernet Branca!

Saluti!

Sounds to me the Friedkins and Moyes want him for us but we won't get a work permit.

We buy him and let's say we pay £8m for first instalment to the selling club and Roma pay us a £10m loan fee - nice little earner. Then when he has qualified we get him back.

That means we need a short term RB coming in - Lemina from Wolves or Coufal from WHU, on a free and probably won't cost us as much as Walker-Peters in signing on fee and wages. Maybe we get one of the 4 RBs Roma have on loan.

We can sell Patterson for £10m - £15m, so this lad works out at £15m - £20m overall.

He already has caps for Brazil so I don't think a work permit is the problem.

I believe Roma have a FFP problem and this is to help them get around it.

Seems ironic that we have a depleted squad because of PSR issues and this would come out of our budget.

The situation as I see it is that we enable Wesley for them and we get Celik on loan for a season. Gasperini doesn't even think Wesley is worth the asking price so it does not look a good deal for Everton.

I've never understood why Everton find it so difficult to secure work permits whilst most other Prem and Championship clubs bring in unknown young South American players with out a hitch.

It doesn't solve our immediate issue and what if he proves to be useless. £26M wasted on a player that can't play for us, no thanks.

I don't believe Patterson is worth £10M or at least we will not get that high of a fee for him. I'd say £4M-£6M tops.

Jay (18), I certainly don't know all the details about the visas but I thought the international caps situation involved some level of consistency over time (age group appearances may be a factor?) and not just be as simple as having gained a couple.

I would expect FFP to scrutinise the dealings of clubs which share owners to prevent circumvention and it would be disgusting (rather than ironic) if our meagre re-building budget was used to bolster the much more evenly-performing Roma squad.

Who is supposed to be better, Wesley or Celik?

Justin (19), why assume the worst? What if he turns out to be world class? Structuring the deal this way may be necessary and it potentially gives us more options to take on a stop-gap player for a season.

Roma fan here.

Roma is affected by FFP until this winter. After that, FFP obligations will decay. Gasperini, the new AS Roma manager, was about to bring in Wesley for Atalanta last season. Flamengo kept changing dates and numbers, a trick South American teams do always to delay or force more money out of the buyer. Atalanta lost patience, cancelled the agreement, and bought someone else.

Wesley is a player Gasperini knows well and wants in Roma. For this reason, Everton will likely make the purcahse and redirect him to Roma.

In this case, Everton will act as the feeder club. I know it doesn't make sense for you Everton fans and it'll probably stings if it happens, but let's be realistic and remember Roma is a club qualified in an European cup. Only a handful of points removed from a Champions League spot, even.

Thanks, Alex, for that information; however, given Everton own his contract, I'd argue that it is a great deal for us rather than us acting as a feeder.

If he turns out to be a world beater, then we can take him back and also sell him on at a nice profit. Puts us in control and helping out our own PSR issues.

Maybe its all coming from the same Top Level Budget (TLB) Jamie? TFG.

Welcome Alex. I have liked Roma since I lived and worked in Anzio for 2 years. Much preferred them to Lazio. Definitely the supporters.

Toffeetv are saying the loan contains an obligation for Roma to buy at the same price in a year's time.

If that is true then we would be using up £30M of our precious funds to shore up Roma.

It surely cannot be true, as this would be a Malcolm Glazer style catastrophic error.

I'd rather send Patterson or Dixon to Roma on loan, with or without an obligation to buy

There is some logic to the deal if there will be problems gaining a visa. He definitely fits the profile for a long term RB. However, I've heard a another report today saying he would go to Roma on a loan with a obligation to buy. So we would get nothing out of it except to help Roma fiddle their PSR while taking a huge chunk out of our spends.

If anyone wants to know who the junior club is in the hierarchy, this would give us the answer. Lets hope its bollocks unless we're getting him back.

Kevin (24), as I understand it it wouldn’t be £30 million, it would be a quarter or a fifth of that, and Roma would give it back to us as a loan fee. If what Alex says at 21 above is true then we’d probably get the remaining debt transferred to Roma before the current financial year finishes anyway.
However, Alex, where Roma currently are is immaterial and I would be furious if we didn’t strengthen at right back very soon. TFG absolutely cannot play favourites or they will lose out in the long run. I’m all for collaboration between the various TFG clubs so we can all benefit but I reckon Evertonians will fully show their displeasure if our club is disadvantaged by not getting the players we need to be competitive next season.

Here's an idea. Couldn't we just buy a right back ? I realise it's a bit " out there" but I'm told other clubs do it.

Si yes that is a much more hopeful scenario. I'd forgotten how these fees are paid over the course of the contract.

It sounds like money laundering doesn't it? We buy him, Roma pay us a portion of the fee for a one year loan, then pay the rest of the fee as an obligation to buy kicks in. Roma get the player they want but don't appear to have bought him at the outset.