David Moyes’ second term as Everton manager has allowed the Toffees to hope and dream again.
Prior to this season, the Toffees were plagued with uncertainties over their future, and in essence, treading water until making the historic move to the Hill Dickinson Stadium.
Their start to the 2025-26 season has been characterised by some disappointments. Notably, an early exit from the Carabao Cup following a defeat against Premier League strugglers, Wolverhampton Wanderers.
But there is visible light when looking through this shroud of disappointment, and while Moyes may not be the long-term answer to all of Everton’s issues, there are factors that suggest the club is moving in the right direction.
Everton are exceeding their points total from recent seasons.
After 14 league games, the Toffees sit in 10th place with 21 points - leaving them just three points adrift of the top four.
Plans for a European tour would be a long shot for this Everton side, but regardless of where they finish this season, their start to the 2025-26 league campaign has been a refreshing one.
Last season, the Blues only managed to reach 21 points in February, as they found themselves in the middle of another relegation battle. The last time the Toffees managed to reach a greater points total at this stage was under Carlo Ancelotti in 2020.
Moyes has managed to guide Everton to a position of relative stability, and while the Premier League table remains compact, supporters have a belief to look at the teams above them, as opposed to below.
David Moyes has recorded one of the best away records in the league
Since making his move back to Merseyside in January 2025, Moyes’ side has claimed 27 points away from home.
During this period, only Arsenal have gathered more away points (30) than the Blues (27), while no side has recorded more away wins than Everton (8).
This impressive away form is something that has not been associated with the Toffees in recent years, and previously, it has left them utterly reliant on their home form.
In 2024, Everton won one Premier League away game in the entirety of the year, a 2-0 win against Ipswich Town in October. But a poor away record stretches even further into the recent past, as between the 2021-22 and 2023-24 seasons, Everton only managed nine wins in 57 away league matches.
Compared to their current away form, the Blues have already managed three away victories in the league this season, and have simultaneously overcome their poor records at Old Trafford and the Vitality Stadium.
Throughout recent relegation battles, Everton’s plan of action away from home has always been to settle for the draw and find their wins through home advantage. However, Moyes appears to have fuelled his team with a dose of resilience, which has allowed them to claim numerous noble away victories.
Individual players are starting to shine for Everton
Following the Toffees’ solid start to the season, loan signing and star winger, Jack Grealish, was awarded the Premier League player of the month (POTM) award for August after registering four assists in his first three league games.
This was the first time since September 2020 that an Everton player had been given the individual honour, with Dominic Calvert-Lewin last to pick up the award. Recently, Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall has been praised for his individual performances, with the midfielder picking up a nomination for the POTM award for November.
This makes it successive seasons that Everton have had multiple players nominated for the Premier League’s POTM award. Last season, however, they were forced to wait until February 2025 to have another nominee, with Beto recognised for his goalscoring spree.
But in the 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons, the Toffees had only one POTM nominee in each campaign, as they struggled to find any consistency over two turbulent league campaigns.
While some individuals have struggled this season, most notably in the centre-forward department, it is pleasing to see some display high-quality performances and receive official recognition for this.
Placing a focus on Grealish and Dewsbury-Hall, the pair have been brought out of their shells under Moyes after difficult periods at their former clubs. Moyes’s ability to get the best out of individuals can only spell good fortune for Everton.
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2 Posted 06/12/2025 at 02:30:39
This won't get many responses.
3 Posted 08/12/2025 at 20:44:29
Could he get strikers out of our strikers he would be a perfect manager.
Or get an assistant manager with striker's expertise.
And no, I don't mean Rooney.
4 Posted 08/12/2025 at 21:31:58
Most managers will do a decent job. For me, it's more about the quality of players the manager has to pick from.
5 Posted 08/12/2025 at 22:14:06
We all sometimes get sucked in to speculating about the future, which when you think about it is a total waste of time.
Although it can lead to Boom & Bust, Elation (v Man Utd) or Despair (v Newcastle Utd), I'll try and keep my expectations to one game at a time and let Moyes do what he does... Opinions vary on exactly what it is he does or doesn't do though -- hence the debate(s)!
I will add that recruitment appears a bit disjointed at the moment, a bit curate's egg-ish -- good in parts.
Dibling vs Dewsbury-Hall; Aznou at left-back... but can't get a game; nobody at right-back; Barry brought in with what at first glance seems to be a known pre-existing shoulder dislocation problem; Röhl is another in a long line of sicknotes, Gibson, Gbamin, that waster from Man City.
The 3 Amigos (Kinnear plus the other two anonymous dummies) and Moyes need to sort out who does what -- and start doing it right... It's hard to blame Moyes for results if he's having crap players foisted upon him.
6 Posted 08/12/2025 at 23:33:11
The Scot sits on the transfer committee chaired by chief executive Angus Kinnear and has the final say on transfers, with his backroom staff often also watching and giving their opinion on potential targets.
As to the reason for Moyes's success, I think it's very simple -- the players like playing for him. You see it in their attitudes on the pitch and hear it in their interview comments.
We fans may have mixed feelings about this manager, but the players clearly don't.
7 Posted 09/12/2025 at 01:05:34
Moyes identifies the positions he wants and has final say, as you would expect from any manager. The core of the recruitment process is done by those others on the committee in identifying the potential targets for assessment.
No longer the Moyes 1.0 model where he was actively engaged in identifying and analysing the players he liked.TFG have imposed others to do that.
8 Posted 09/12/2025 at 01:08:04
30 months is 2½ seasons and he's completed half of last season, plus all of this which runs to May 2026 plus one more will be May 2027.
9 Posted 09/12/2025 at 01:42:51
Shortlists will be compiled by new director of scouting and recruitment James Smith...and his team
Head of strategy Chris Howarth provides a data overview and apparatus through Insight Sport,
The cycle of change continues behind the scenes at Everton after TFG's takeover — they are seeking to take even greater control. Smith has been a regular attendee at Everton matches both home and away so far, with the scouts he manages doing the bulk of the groundwork when it comes to watching players at other clubs.
Negotiations with clubs and players are conducted by head of trading Nick Hammond,
New technical director Nick Cox is not expected to have a recruitment brief.
10 Posted 09/12/2025 at 01:46:00
All moves need to be signed off by TFG.
11 Posted 09/12/2025 at 02:47:46
If reports are correct, we have to buy Merlin Röhl from Freiburg for £20M.
In my opinion, there are better players with more potential closer to home for a hell of a lot less.
I really hoped we'd get my mate John McGinn when he was at Hibs, however, there could be another John McGinn type at Hibs right now.
Josh Mulligan is a box-to-box, extremely hard-working midfielder in the McGinn mould. Still a bit raw but has a great chance of going to the World Cup with Scotland.
Definitely one worth looking out for...
12 Posted 09/12/2025 at 03:08:51
As to 'reasons', as Mike says, various players, including Grealish and Dewsbury-Hall have lavished praise on old misery guts so clearly he's connected with them and that has had a positive impact. Not worrying about 777 Partners loan sharks or Moshiri bankrupting the club obviously has a positive effect too.
But I also think it's a weird season. We have one team, Wolves, who are cast adrift; Burnley a little better off. Then a few more teams just above them but, beyond that, there's not a lot between 1st and 15th.
Man City lost 4 games out of the first 12, that's more than you'd expect them to lose in a season, yet they're second. People were saying Aston Villa were finished and Emery should go by October, yet now they're seen as title contenders.
Then the likes of Brighton, Bournemouth, Crystal Palace and Sunderland have all sampled second spot while Man Utd, Liverpool, Newcastle, Chelsea and Spurs continue to be surprisingly inconsistent and dysfunctional.
So, in all this chaos, we, like 75% of the Premier League, are feeling pretty good about our chances... but there's two-thirds of the season left, so we will see what happens going forward.
13 Posted 09/12/2025 at 05:16:14
The problem with Merlin Röhl is that it's a compulsory purchase, we can't not sign him.
Well done, recruitment team.
14 Posted 09/12/2025 at 09:43:17
Your lavish praise for our manager David Moyes is overwhelming.
Are you on his Christmas Card list? If not, you should be!
15 Posted 09/12/2025 at 10:01:32
This isn't luck; this is a good manager getting the best he can from every player, and when you look at the points he has amassed since returning, it would have us in 8th place, level points with the clubs sitting in 6th and 7th place.
I doubt anybody would have envisaged Jake O'Brien being a regular as he was hardly used prior to Moyes coming back. I can remember all the comments on ToffeeWeb when the news broke that Branthwaite had suffered a setback and would be out for months, many suggesting another relegation battle would be on the cards without Branthwaite.
The signings of 2 top quality players in Grealish and Dewsbury-Hall have made a massive improvement to our style of football. And, as Moyes does, he has made us solid at the back. If we can find a decent striker in January, then this team can push on for a European spot.
Do I agree with every team selection or the timing of the substitutions? No, but under Moyes this club is moving forward; we are playing a more attacking game than we did under Dyche, Lampard or Benitez, and going the game has been a pleasure, not a chore. We are looking up, not down the Premier League table.
16 Posted 09/12/2025 at 10:24:43
Let's see where we are after the next 2 games against Chelsea and Arsenal.
17 Posted 09/12/2025 at 10:36:33
I'm content. I think we may surprise against Chelsea. Arsenal... well, that will be tough (hot take, I know).
I think Moyes is doing a good job. It's a light squad, though. Tete would have been a great get for us, as would another centre-mid.
Dibling is either not ready or not fancied, and I'm gutted for him that we're stalling his development. If we hadn't spent the money we had, I'd say we should loan him out in January, get him minutes and the experience he badly needs.
18 Posted 09/12/2025 at 10:42:29
I think it is a bit too early to be counting your chickens now, same with O'Brien two good games doesn't make him a regular starter in that position.
I also think you are getting well ahead of yourself talking about a European spot. Being honest, I think if we did qualify for a European spot, it would set us back in the Premier League next season no matter who is manager.
19 Posted 09/12/2025 at 11:03:56
Everton +12
Manchester City +10
Arsenal +6
Crystal Palace +4
Tottenham +4
Manchester Utd +3*
Bournemouth +2
Aston Villa O
Fulham -1
West Ham -2
Brighton -3
Newcastle -4
Chelsea -6
Brentford -6
Liverpool -10
Nottingham Forest -11
Wolves -14*
20 Posted 09/12/2025 at 12:01:44
Article summary should read:
Everton are improving:
1) Marquee signing who few could afford has received Player of the Month and other new signing has been nominated, showing better players have made an impact.
2) Everton are making progress in Premier League after and excellent month. 7th in league (8th in the away table and 9th in home) suggest Everton can win on any given day. Also, we have got a few monkeys off our back with wins at Man Utd and Bournemouth.
3) Everton are winning more matches since the last time a manager was given resources to do the job after the pillaging years.
The sycophantic posting isn't helpful. Jake O'Brien has had his best season at Lyon when used in his best position. It's frustrating that we haven't seen him used more in his role.
James Garner has improved immeasurably.
Michael Keane is showing good form as he has done at times under Koeman, Silva, Ancelotti and now Moyes. He is playing better than he ever did under Dyche.
Likewise McNeil. Gueye and Tarkowski have shown clear regression. Some players have improved their form, others haven't.
Finally, there are reasons to be hopeful: Moyes is without his best defender, meaning we should do better again; Moyes's teams normally improve in the second half of the the season; Barry is adapting to the Premier League; and Moyes will again be backed in January.
And reasons to have caution:
Everton have been lucky with the timing of their fixtures, the Palace result a clear example. Everton still have struggled to beat the teams likely to finish in the Top 6. Everton have been lucky with injuries, unlike others, with only one first-teamer regularly missing. Everton are one of the worst teams for creating chances.
Whoever the manager was, we would be in a better position this season. There is all to play for.
21 Posted 09/12/2025 at 12:12:39
We may have the most wins away from home of any team in the league, but this just underlines the drop in standards across the whole league.
The penny may be dropping with the manager and he's begun to listen to the fanbase that we need to attack teams and score more goals, but it's still very early days.
Let's get to the end of the season, thank him for his services, and get down to the business of finding a manager with ambition.
22 Posted 09/12/2025 at 12:16:17
Midfield has become the powerhouse it should be, with Dewsbury-Hall, Grealish and Ndiaye all stepping up.
Garner is showing his ability, which seemed to dip in the previous season.
Strikers... I hope and believe Barry will come good. If not, that's a position we have to fix in January.
Overall, Moyes knows how to set up a team and they're showing what they're capable of.
23 Posted 09/12/2025 at 12:24:32
It's a solid season. Not amazing, not terrible.
But I do think people should be honest about their biases when judging performance.
24 Posted 09/12/2025 at 13:39:07
P34 W15 D10 L9 Points 55 Goals 45 v 36
Comparison with those same 34 games under Dyche
P34 W 8 D 11 L 15 Points 35 Goals 28 v 51
Scoring more, conceding less, 20 more points. And the next two games saw the grand total of zero goals from all sides.
We have failed to score in only 8 of these games: Aston Villa (2), Man City (2), Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and that Leeds match. Does that back up the "Knife to a Gunfight" or just that, with only 11 clean sheets, he is not as defensively minded as he was 20 years ago with KITAP1?
Mark 19 is pretty spot on but, as ToffeeWebbers will know, I prefer comparison with the same fixtures as for instance we have 2 defeats in the last 13 derbies at Goodison Park but 9 at Mordor. So who we play and where gives, IMHO, a better comparison than just first 15 games.
But adding last season's results in the remaining fixtures to the current table gives this projected final table:
Man City +10 81
Arsenal +6 80
Liverpool -10 74
Aston Villa 0 66
Chelsea -6 63
Newcastle -4 62
Everton +12 60
Bournemouth +3 59
Brighton -4 57
Crystal Palace +4 57
Fulham +1 55
Nottm Forest -11 54
Brentford -6 50
Man Utd +6 48
Tottenham +5 43
West Ham -2 41
Leeds (Leicester) +4 29
Sunderland (Southampton) +16 28
Wolves -16 26
Burnley (Ipswich) -1 21
The magnificent 7th. Remember that video? History repeating itself? So which club outside of the top 7 is going to win a cup and rob us of a place in Europe?
And now when I press submit, all that formatting will be wrecked, I bet.
Oh and talking of which -- what are the odds of a Wolves win on 7 January? Not only their 1st win but also just got my tickets so definitely £20 on a win for them. Remember -- We Are Everton!
25 Posted 09/12/2025 at 13:39:47
Mark, how did you do it?
26 Posted 09/12/2025 at 13:42:46
💙Thanks for your support, Toffees.
Through the highs and lows over recent years, your unity was unrivalled. It's great to see it being rewarded, and we hope this is just the start. UTT! pic.twitter.com/W1kx7szqNV
— Everton (@Everton) December 9, 2025
27 Posted 09/12/2025 at 13:59:52
"Let's get to the end of the season, thank him for his services, and get down to the business of finding a manager with ambition."
Why would TFG sack him with one year remaining on his contract?
28 Posted 09/12/2025 at 14:33:32
I totally agree, I'd be looking to present our manager with a new improved 3-year deal come season end.
29 Posted 09/12/2025 at 14:45:12
Saves having to pay him compensation for a year, we've been through that too many times already with failed managers.
30 Posted 09/12/2025 at 16:12:06
Are you certain, that you were the person in the Crow's Nest when the Titanic went down? Never come across such a cheerful guy as you. I would hate to meet you when things are going wrong.
Before I finish, are you free on New Year's Eve? We are looking for a cheery soul to liven up the party.
31 Posted 09/12/2025 at 16:15:47
Gueye has shown regression, he was MotM most weeks and prior to suspension has been our most consistent player.
Seems so many of our fans for some reason or other want to pour cold water on how Moyes has improved the team.
I get it some of you, for whatever reason, don't like Moyes, but don't be that bitter to not give him credit for the improvement. Yes, there is a long way to go and we may end up in the bottom half. I personally don't believe that will happen if TFG back Moyes in January.
I really think 7th to 10th, but maybe I am just a super optimistic Blue, but without belief, what are we left with?
32 Posted 09/12/2025 at 16:19:08
If not me, then who?
33 Posted 09/12/2025 at 18:10:26
You come across as a right grinch, mate. You want the manager to actually achieve something before you're prepared to lavish the praise and bouquets.
34 Posted 09/12/2025 at 18:37:51
'We may have the most wins away from home of any team in the Premier League, but this just underlines the drop in standards across the whole league'.
Bizarre! Unbelievable!
Now I am far from being a Moyes fan, but this toxic logic tells you far more about the poster than the manager.
35 Posted 09/12/2025 at 18:49:12
While I understand your cynicism and I get the "lets win trophies before bouquets", but surely there is nothing wrong in actually pointing out if someone is doing a decent job compared to many of his predecessors.
I have been watching Everton for over 71 years and I have seen only 3 managers win trophies, so it's a pretty tough bar you set if we only praise managers when they win trophies.
Nice to see you back, by the way.
36 Posted 09/12/2025 at 18:56:38
On another note, whilst it's nice to see the club, acknowledging the support it has received during it's darkest period @26, I also find it a bit condescending if I'm being totally honest.
It's great to see our support getting rewarded? Win us a fucken cup, before you start making statements like this please, would be my message to whoever is responsible for posting stuff like this.
37 Posted 09/12/2025 at 23:03:18
What is the point of doing crap like that? Is he trying to be funny? I'm in stitches mate.
38 Posted 09/12/2025 at 23:33:00
Then, when it comes time for Moyes to move on... with no doubt, our grateful thanks for a tough job well done ringing in his ears... will we have a cohort of 'Moyes-style' players* in the squad.
* Short Version; Doucoure and Harrison were Moyes-style players -- they get on base, if you get my drift.
Players that the incoming 'New Broom' will maybe find 'not quite compatible' with the footballing direction he wants to go... (Up the Table?)
That, gentle reader, is my worry about having Moyes here too long...
...and the fact that I still don't fully believe that a manager -- however good he has done in these last 11 months -- who was basically brought in on an 18-month contract with a 12-month sweetener option as a stop-gap because Dyche effectively sacked himself -- has the final say on spunking £67M on...
Aznou allegedly has a high opinion of himself -- obviously not shared by Bayern Munich or David Moyes. He may go on to have a stormer in the World Cup and come back fit for purpose -- or not.
Barry (alleged existing shoulder problem)
Dibling (again 'alleged' serial home sickness issues)
Along with Röhl who is, up to now, a serial sick note we have to pay, like it or not(?) £20M for next July.
Not too sure I'd like those 4 on my resume as having had 'the final say'.
Successes:
Dewsbury-Hall -- upto now, far and away the best signing =- he looks the real deal.
Grealish has turned out to be a useful stopgap, short-term, though I'm not too sure the reputed £50M fee and a 3(?) year deal when he's not getting any younger is value for money, whoever has that crucial 'final say'.
My conclusion: Moyes is doing well-ish... but it's a very snakes and ladder-esque 14th to 5th place league; just don't leave him there too long and don't for fuck's sake give him an extension of his 2½ years... if indeed he lasts that long... in the hands of TFG that.
TFG did well in hindsight to appoint him. The much bigger and harder decision is when and who to replace him with.
39 Posted 09/12/2025 at 23:53:03
Paul, "what was the point of doing crap like that?" I was trying to be funny. But I note you are not amused. Any future defence of the manager will just stick to the facts.
40 Posted 10/12/2025 at 01:25:50
The whole ethos of the club crafted in Moyes's image? That will go down well.
41 Posted 10/12/2025 at 03:46:57
Outside Arsenal and Manchester City, 10 points cover the next 10 clubs so a couple of wins or defeats will have us yoyoing up and down the table. It is Chelsea and Arsenal next, so let's not drink the Kool-Aid just yet.
If Moyes wins us the FA Cup, then everyone will hold him in the same esteem as Kevin and Eric do. Equally, I think the manager will need to finish in the top 10 for TFG to keep him next season.
42 Posted 10/12/2025 at 07:14:19
Surely they state the opposite? That he shouldn't be retained?
43 Posted 10/12/2025 at 09:37:18
Most of us would consider this season in a positive light so far. Moyes can take his share of the credit, he deserves it for bringing Dewsbury-Hall and Grealish to the club and turning us into a team playing football again.
Finishing Top 10 would be good progress and something to build on. 10th to 14th would be around about par. Moyes will always have his detractors, he can be frustrating and stubborn, but he's got way more right than wrong this time around. He's a good fit for us, at the moment, TFG will be more than satisfied with their appointment.
Regarding recruitment, I said on the other thread, unless we saw the Terms of Reference for the recruiting team, then we won't know the exact ins and outs of how it works, but obviously the manager has a massive say -- players aren't foisted on him.
Personally I think a recruitment process overseen by a team of individuals, rather than one person, makes more sense. More risk averse. I wouldn't trust any one single individual to spend the sums of money it costs to recruit a player these days. I don't blame TFG for having a committee on the job.
44 Posted 10/12/2025 at 10:16:12
I knew you were fighting Moyes's corner with your post @(21) -- you even said it was a parody.
You like Moyes and think he is a good manager, so why stop praising the man? He's done well recently, not so good earlier in the season, imo, and like others are saying, in this strange league, we will be up and down like a bride's nightie but not having as much fun probably.
Dewsbury-Hall is having a very good spell now after an indifferent start to the season and I hope that's real form, some of the other signings have us wondering what they will turn out like.
The one signing, if he stays the way he has played most of the season, I'd say terrah to next summer is Grealish — he won't be value for money even if he comes free with those ridiculous wages, he's earning around £3,000 a minute at the moment and he isn't value for money now.
Nevertheless, Kevin, I doubt you'll agree with one word of my post but it won't stop me repeating it and you shouldn't stop supporting Moyes because you believe he is okay.
46 Posted 10/12/2025 at 12:14:48
The terms of reference for the recruitment team are covered in posts #6, #9 #10 above.
47 Posted 10/12/2025 at 12:21:27
The difference this season is we now have Dewsbury-Hall and Grealish along with Ndiaye and Garner playing very well.
48 Posted 10/12/2025 at 12:31:11
No harm in an approving nod to the manager after a good win. Been doing a fair bit of it myself lately.
The reason I singled out Conor's post is because it rang truest to me. I also thought somebody needed to say "sycophantic posting doesn't help" and he had the balls to say it.
I certainly don't hate Davey Moyes. I don't think any Evertonian does. I know some would choose somebody else if they could... and I know some people hate the idea that he is manager of Everton... But when I see people talking about "Moyes haters", I instantly feel I am reading the ramblings of a fucken idiot... You can't hate somebody you don't know.
I hold Moyes largely accountable for the happy clapping which I feel is the scourge of this club. His long and concerted expectation management bred a new kind of Evertonian. Those who swallowed his "6th is the new 1st" message have never quite recovered.
Look no further than this thread. They are beside themselves because we moved into 5th. This has been the case since he left after stint 1. Manager after manager taking top dollar knowing a large contingent of the happy clappers are delighted with respectability.
Koeman, Benitez, Ancelotti, Lampard, Brands and Walsh were all beneficiaries of the lower bar set by Moyes -- nice work if you can get it.
While Carlo still pisses himself when he thinks about his money-for-old-rope stint here, we still have empty heads swooning over the fact that he had us jumping the first fence in the Grand National in the lead. Nowhere near a trophy, yet they still clap today!!!
I feel Moyes owes us, Brian. His partner in crime may no longer be with us... but he is. I don't just want a trophy. I want back the expectation he stole from us all those years ago.
49 Posted 10/12/2025 at 12:47:37
If he has a fucking good go at winning the cup but unluckily misses out, he can leave with my grudging respect.
But if he fucks about with the team and doesn't progress in the cup, I won't be sorry to see him move on. He's done well to take his on from where Dyche got us but NSNO should still mean something.
Dave -- "I'd terrah to next summer is Grealish" -- what does that mean?
50 Posted 10/12/2025 at 12:49:50
If it's out of bounds to praise him, the discussion is going to be a little one-sided don't you think? Credit where it's due.
51 Posted 10/12/2025 at 13:16:14
I've just read that both Leeds and Forest have already made enquiries about him!
I appreciate we have lads such as young Harrison Armstrong already dodging about, but, as I mentioned years ago when I went on about McGinn, even if Josh Mulligan didn't become established in the first team, we'd definitely get our money back on him.
52 Posted 10/12/2025 at 13:39:00
On another topic, looking at the penalty given to the RS last night, it looks like Satan has returned from his extended break.
53 Posted 10/12/2025 at 14:53:13
54 Posted 10/12/2025 at 16:21:25
That's a tricky one.
55 Posted 10/12/2025 at 16:35:46
That's The Athletic's take on the TORs isn't it? But it's a minor point I suppose.
More importantly, what happened to post 45?
56 Posted 10/12/2025 at 16:37:18
Latest exhibit @ 53.
Or perhaps you're a simply confused person.
57 Posted 10/12/2025 at 17:35:30
You don't think Grealish is value for money, but the people actually responsible for paying him the money clearly do.
Murph #49 and Steve #41, I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. Cup or no cup, top half or no top half, this season appears headed to be our most successful in at least 5 years. Managers don't get sacked off that.
And Derek #38, the first decision for the owners to make is when to replace Moyes, not with whom. I would strongly doubt that decision is anywhere on their radar right now.
Darren #44, you're using "happy clappers" again! Feels like the old days.
58 Posted 10/12/2025 at 18:01:41
I think it's worth pointing out that where Moyes currently is, isn't in the 'decent' or 'some good, some bad' category. That's not a correct analysis of where he currently stands.
Having taken over a team which scored two goals in ten games, we are statistically -- with points comparison last season to this -- the most improved team in the Premier League, with, astonishingly, the highest number of away wins.
That's not 'not bad', that's excellent, outstanding. For a first year, it couldn't really have gone much better, being mindful of the shitshow he took over. And we also seem to have made the signing of the Summer. When's the last time that happened?
Three More Years!
59 Posted 10/12/2025 at 18:20:48
Three more years? Jesus, I should have kept my mouth shut!
60 Posted 10/12/2025 at 18:23:03
How do you know that — let's see if they sign him at the end of the season if he carries on playing like he has!
61 Posted 10/12/2025 at 19:14:49
You've just jogged a long past memory.
I remember using the term on a TW thread after reading post after post of whooping, hollering and grandstanding as Moshiri funded Koeman and Walsh to embark on one of the most fuck-witted transfer sprees the game has seen. The Lukaku money was also squandered, but not on a proven striker.
I wrote a piece stating that the club was blowing a golden opportunity. You came on and told me I was "the boy who killed Tinkerbell" because I refused to clap. I was mortally wounded. So much so, that I never clapped again.
Moshiri, spurred on by the praise lavished upon him by the cheerleaders for splashing his cash, went on to blow another 400m and nearly ruin the club
I don't hate Moyes. I never hated Carlo. I didn't even hate Rafa (much). But I fucking despise happy clapping.
62 Posted 10/12/2025 at 19:44:16
Grealish signed a 6-year contract, but I'd expect his book value to be very near zero next summer under PSR.
Any fee in will be partially used to pay up the remainding differential on his wages.
I'd see us buying him for under £20M and on a 2- or 3-year deal at £150k a week. We wouldn't go above that in my opinion.
63 Posted 10/12/2025 at 19:54:49
Yes, looks like a load of rubbish the way I wrote that. Most probably it is if you don't agree with it, the word checker not doing his job again.
What I meant to say was, I wouldn't be signing Grealish next summer if he carries on playing like he is. I don't think he would be value for money as, at the moment, he is getting £3,000 per minute so I'd be saying terrah to him —- 'terrah' being Scouse for farewell, cheerio, goodbye etc.
64 Posted 10/12/2025 at 20:28:30
Terrah to fuckin you!
65 Posted 10/12/2025 at 21:12:55
I can imagine some of the Everton players looking at Jack getting that much £150,000 per week and thinking “If he's getting that much, I'm worth that as well!” Parity and that!
Tony (64),
I thought those words sounded more polite than “You can fuckin' do one!“
66 Posted 10/12/2025 at 21:34:23
67 Posted 10/12/2025 at 21:37:15
I think the team is miles better than it has been for 3 or 4 years. There was a point during Dyche's tenure that I was at my lowest point in 60-odd years as an Evertonian -- watching the ball getting hoofed up the pitch and coming straight back at us on the deck. We are starting to play football again.
Moyes has to have played a big part in that but I wish he would stop bringing cups of tea into his pre-match press conferences and slurping on them as the reporters ask him questions. It drives me mad -- no Premier League manager should feel that comfortable.
68 Posted 10/12/2025 at 21:46:22
He could slurp it pitchside and be more concerned about not spilling it than celebrating an Everton goal.
69 Posted 10/12/2025 at 00:12:23
70 Posted 11/12/2025 at 02:55:27
I defend Moyes when he is criticized by posts that don't portray a true picture, like he never trusted Baines, Coleman, doesn't play youngsters, etc. You'll find many of my posts defending him on that score, but not criticising posts that say, call into question tactics, substitutions, etc which are opinions people are entitled to.
I also like to point out anomalies in posters' bias against Moyes, like that guy that said he preferred Martinez to Moyes because Martinez had us challenging the top four and competing in the FA Cup. completely ignoring the fact that Moyes had us in the top 4 and a Cup Final.
I neither love him or hate him, same as any manager we've had, even though they have all had their good and bad points and have been equally frustrating over the years.
71 Posted 11/12/2025 at 02:57:02
72 Posted 11/12/2025 at 02:57:50
73 Posted 11/12/2025 at 06:29:27
And no, I don't agree. Grealish is a star player who can turn a game, is loved by (most) the fans and can attract other big players to our club. I hope we've already signed him, personally.
But I do get where you're coming from.
74 Posted 11/12/2025 at 09:40:55
Still splitting hairs —- in your post to me about Everton's owners paying Jack's wages, you said @57:
"The people actually responsible for paying the wages clearly do."
That's when I replied: “How do you know that?”
75 Posted 11/12/2025 at 09:53:38
Pricilla became an exaggerated Scouser who overstated the Scouse accent.
Jack, of whom, many Everton fans said we should be glad he is coming to us because he is a great player. I see him for what I think he is — a player whose club didn't want him, glad to get his wages, or most of them off the books.
A very good player once who is on his way down, no way a star player now.
I have no doubt he is loved by many Everton fans but I'm asking why is he loved so much when his performances since he came here I find nothing to get excited about. Mind you, that's only 13 games and a bit so I might change my mind when he ups his performances.
76 Posted 11/12/2025 at 10:05:01
For decades, the pay difference between players at the same club has always existed. I posted a few weeks back Gary Neville discussing with Rooney their contracts when they were at Man Utd; Neville was on £1.7M a year and Rooney was on £17M. Neville was shocked.
But, like me, you are old enough to remember Tommy Trinder, the Fulham chairman, paying Johnny Haynes £100 per week just after the £20 per week was scrapped but no other player was on that at Fulham.
Now you can argue about whether someone is worth what they get paid. For me, footballers in the Premier League are massively overpaid.
77 Posted 11/12/2025 at 10:23:18
Okay, he's good... but he's not that good. I'd be offering City £20M -- and they save on wages.
And to the player: 2 years, with a 1-year option, on wages that fall within the club structure...
Listen, Jack, you're 31, it's all down hill and Modric you ain't, at £100k a week you won't be on the bones of your arse.
78 Posted 11/12/2025 at 10:54:27
Grealish most definitely is value for money this season. There are certain positions in the team where we question if we could and should improve in January but not a single person would ever think of replacing Grealish and that's because he is doing so well.
However, the issue is about the future. He turns 31 in September and at some point he may do a Salah and start to lose form. Liverpool can afford to take the hit wages wise (team spirit etc is different) but we can't.
So we have to think: Can we afford Grealish when he starts waning? But then again, speed has never been his thing, he is more skill based and that should stay longer.
The trouble is, if we don't get into Europe, then Ndiaye might be gone next season and to lose both would be very bad.
79 Posted 11/12/2025 at 10:57:17
Yes, I remember Tommy Trinder, “You lucky people” and the Fulham payment to Johnny Haynes.
I think it was Jimmy Hill as the players union representive along with George Eastham the Arsenal (?) footballer who changed the whole way footballers were paid and their contracts were enabled to get the ridiculous wages they get now.
Once they were slaves... now they rule the roost and I agree with you entirely that footballers' wages are massively overpaid but again some fans will argue they deserve every penny.
When players wages increased, so did the price of admission to watch them —- I think both of those should be reduced!
80 Posted 11/12/2025 at 11:07:52
Fair enough, that's how you see Jack. I might be the only one who would think of replacing him but agree we might miss him because it doesn't look like we have anyone better, at the moment, to take his place... but I would certainly miss Ndiaye more than Grealish.
Derek (77),
I think you are a very generous man, far too generous. I'd say, "Thanks, Jack, but no thanks, although I hope you enjoy the rest of your career, wherever that is".
81 Posted 11/12/2025 at 11:12:37
It seems he likes the Club and likes playing for Moyes but does he like us that much?
He'll have been in the shop window for a season and other clubs will have seen what he can do and may well come in with a better offer for City and Jack himself. In which case he'll likely be off if we're trying to lowball a deal, and of course we would need a replacement for Jack himself as well.
It's all down to TFG and the funds I suppose, as we need a striker, right back, and one or two other positions wouldn't go amiss. It may be a case of either / or.
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1 Posted 05/12/2025 at 19:38:18
And we haven't even felt the benefit of the youngsters added, and Röhl. So it's looking up.