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Hardly have we got past the events of the weekend and it's almost impossible not to be thinking about the next game... because it is something of a landmark as well as offering up what many are hoping could be a rare opportunity to take advantage of perceived weakness in the old enemy.  

Next Sunday, Liverpool will make their first-ever visit to our iconic new stadium on the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey. I hate derbies personally, and do my utmost to treat it just as any other game in the Premier League. But that means bottling away the years of hurt and blatant injustice that have poisoned any 'relationship' with our nearest neighbours and former offspring.

For those of a certain vintage, the sight of the hideous red shirts walking onto our pristine new turf at the Hill Dickinson Stadium doesn't just evoke sporting rivalry — it triggers a visceral sense of what was stolen.

We are often told by the media to "celebrate the city," but how can you celebrate with the execrable shower who burnt your house down?

In 1985, Howard Kendall had built a side that wasn't just the best in England; it was arguably the best in Europe. We were poised for a dynasty. Then came the fans of Liverpool and what they perpetrated at Heysel.

The tragedy was despicable — a dark stain on the game underlining an era of the most atrocious and shameful football hooliganism, but the subsequent blanket ban on English clubs playing in Europe became a targeted execution of Everton’s golden era after we had just lifted our only European trophy in the calm and peaceful atmosphere of Rotterdam.

We became the totally innocent bystanders, handed a life sentence for the recurring sins of the Devil's Spawn, with media and referee bias unaccountably protecting them through a painful litany of oft-repeated injustices on the pitch. 

While they spent the late 80s adding to their trophy cabinet, we were left to rot in domestic isolation, watching our world-class squad fragment because the pinnacle of the sport had been barred to them.

They didn't just cost us a trophy; they cost us a decade. They cost us the momentum that might have changed the trajectory of the club forever.

The move to the Hill Dickinson Stadium was meant to be our rebirth, a physical manifestation of our "Nil Satis Nisi Optimum" mantra. But there is a poetic, if slightly nauseating, irony in having them be the ones to "christen" a major milestone in our first season here.

The "Friendly Derby" is a myth that died in the 80s and was buried at Heysel. Today, it is a fixture defined by their staggering arrogance and our justified resentment. They will arrive with their usual sense of entitlement probably undented despite Slot and his lot going through a slightly rough spell, expecting the shiny new surroundings to bow to their supposed superiority.

Despite the historical baggage, there is a scent of blood in the water this week. This isn't the invincible Liverpool of years past. They are creaking. Their transition is stuttering, and for the first time in a long while, the gap between "The Best" and "The Rest" feels bridgeable.

The acoustics at the Hill Dickinson are designed to be a bear pit. If we can channel decades of accumulated spite and hatred into a wall of sound, perhaps we can rattle them before they even finish their warm-ups.

We need to make this a miserable experience for them. No hospitality, no warmth — just 90 minutes of high-intensity pressure from the kick-off.

I don’t want a "celebration of Merseyside football." I want a clinical, cold-blooded dismantling of a club that has spent 40 years pretending they didn't ruin our greatest ever side.

Saturday isn't just about 3 points. It’s about finally showing the "old enemy" that, while they may have stolen our past, they won't be allowed to contaminate our future. It’s time to make the Hill Dickinson Stadium a place where their spawny luck finally runs out.

 

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Ian Wilkins
1 Posted 12/04/2026 at 17:37:48
Moyes could choose George next week to get at a defensively weak Frimpong.

Or he could play McNeil to cover defensively for an offensively quick Frimpong.

I'm pretty confident which way he'll start the match.
John Collins
2 Posted 12/04/2026 at 19:36:14
It would do no harm for David Moyes to understand how much these derby games mean to us, Tony.
Brian Harrison
3 Posted 13/04/2026 at 09:13:17
Tony,

I hate derby games as well as Moyes, I don't know any match-going fan who likes them -- be that Blue or Red.

I am sure it's different for the players, but for fans it's 90 minutes of agony.
Tony Abrahams
4 Posted 13/04/2026 at 09:51:16
No team has destroyed us more than Liverpool over the years, Brian, but this has never broken me... it has just made me more and more determined to see the tables turn one day, similar to what has happened down the M62 in Manchester.

I can understand why supporters don't like them because they are totally nerve-racking but this should never be the case for the manager and the players, mate.

Nerves are natural but it baffles me to understand how any player or manager wouldn't relish this type of game, simply because it should be what football has always been about.

Big games... yes, you can't play enough big games

John Collins
5 Posted 13/04/2026 at 10:09:06
I recall a 16- or 17-year-old Wayne Rooney being sent out to warm up off the bench at Anfield.

Instead of turning left and warming up in front of the Everton fans on Anfield Road, he turned right and sprinted down to the Kop for his warm-up.

He didn't half look worried at the prospect of playing a derby game.
Dave Abrahams
6 Posted 13/04/2026 at 10:37:51
John (86),

The Kop were more frightened of Rooney coming on than Wayne who was relishing the chance to get on, but Moyes didn't trust the kid enough to give him the full game. He didn't trust this wonder boy while we fans wanted him on from the start, constantly singing “Rooney's coming to get you” to the Red fans.

Henchoz (?) stopped Wayne from whipping off his jersey with “Kopites are Gobshites” written on his tee-shirt underneath by getting his knee to Rooney's shot and deflecting it onto the bar and over.

Let's see how brave Moyes is on Sunday.
John Collins
7 Posted 13/04/2026 at 11:19:25
I think that was the game when Wayne clattered the keeper out near the touchline, I think, Dave. Did not give a flying fuck for reputations that kid.

He's got no choice but to be brave on Sunday, Dave. The prize is too big to play safety-first football.
Paul Hewitt
8 Posted 13/04/2026 at 12:03:21
The Red Shite are crap. Don't think I've ever been as confident going into a game against them.

Just play George, please, Moyes, and get at them.
Christy Ring
9 Posted 13/04/2026 at 12:20:26
Michael, a very honest and extremely truthful article.

I still wonder what Kendall's fabulous team would have achieved in Europe, and they would have stayed at the top domestically as well, instead our manager and top players left, because of the ban in Europe.

The FA should have been stronger and insisted that no clubs apart from the Red Shite should have been banned and told Thatcher that politics had nothing to do with sport, and stay out of it.

To this day, the most hated team in Europe have it blanked from their memory and history, what their scum did in the Heysel Stadium.
Mike Powell
10 Posted 13/04/2026 at 12:30:57
I hate the derby, they always seem to get one over us, it doesn't matter how bad they are playing. Then we have to put up with all the smug Red Shite fans.

I usually turn my phone off for a couple of days, unless we win which is very rare. The Reds in our street have never been to Anfield in their lives, but will have the full kits on giving it the big one...

Gobshites. Please, Blues, beat that shower of shite!
Mike Doyle
11 Posted 13/04/2026 at 12:39:44
We should start George -- with instructions for him to stand on the halfway line (especially when the RS have corners / free kicks etc...).

That will ensure they keep at least 2 defenders back to guard him.
Paul Hewitt
12 Posted 13/04/2026 at 12:46:42
Christy @9.

Ifs and buts. Time to let it go, I think.
Andy Meighan
13 Posted 13/04/2026 at 12:47:50
Great piece Michael, and totally spot on, but don't be surprised to see the usual antics from them.

Van Arm Up trying to ref the game, Salad going down like a small scotch everytime he gets touched etc.

Vile club and despicable fans, but let's not forget that wasn't Liverpool fans who caused carnage at Heysel, it was Chelsea, Millwall and the National Front.

Never forget their chairman at the time on telly saying, "Oh, yes, only right that every other club gets banned as well."

No, you cunt, what you meant to say was, "Yes, Everton should be banned because they're going to be dominating English football, the other clubs should stay in it."

And they wonder why were bitter.
Paul Hewitt
15 Posted 13/04/2026 at 13:18:54
A lot of people died that night. Fathers and sons. Mother's and daughters went to a football match, some never went home.

But still after 41 years, some of our fan base still moan that we never played in a tournament. Boo hoo, we could have been knocked out in the first round anyway.
John Collins
16 Posted 13/04/2026 at 13:42:12
Derby games always seem to be around the Hillsborough date. I have the greatest respect for the dead and their families.

In saying that, I'm hoping there is no tribute before the game.
Always seems to put our players on the back foot.
Ian Wilkins
17 Posted 13/04/2026 at 13:43:07
In my view, David Moyes will be thinking that a point each against Liverpool and Man City, plus a few wins elsewhere in more winnable fixtures, will do the job.

He won't be thinking about front foot this week, his mindset will be cautionary. He may be right, but it would be a real shame to die wondering...

Liverpool have good attacking options, but they are weak defensively and very beatable.
Steve Brown
18 Posted 13/04/2026 at 13:44:09
I went to the 1986 European Cup Final in Sevilla - it was Barcelona v Steaua Bucharest. I was living there for a year.

0-0 after extra-time. Barcelona lost 4-2 on penalties, after missing every penalty. Terrible match and terrible teams.

Everton would have battered both of them... whatever round we met them.
Kevin Molloy
19 Posted 13/04/2026 at 13:59:44
It's a bit more than 'never played in a tournament', Paul. Our exclusion led directly to the break-up of arguably our greatest side, and left us in the doldrums as a result for the next 40 years.

Who knows where we'd have gone if we'd have kept Lineker and Kendall, and went on to win the European Cup?

Let's not forget, they denied us two tries at the European cup. And we'd have been in the Uefa Cup as well, all gone.

Alan McGuffog
20 Posted 13/04/2026 at 14:12:17
Need to be careful on Sunday.

They beat Fulham the other day and are probably the greatest team in the world again.
John Collins
21 Posted 13/04/2026 at 14:15:50
Ian @17.

In my view, you are correct. He won't be able to ditch his career-long tactics of Keep It Tight And Pinch One.

If we go for these like we went for Chelsea, we win.
Neil Lawson
22 Posted 13/04/2026 at 14:21:02
Well, that's a very nicely balanced article. I have a vision of steam coming from the author's ears as he hammered the keys and the keyboard spontaneously igniting in flames.
There is, however, much truth behind the chosen words and passions will always remain high during the build up and 90+ minutes of a derby game.
Many of us, indeed most of us ( and it should be all of us) truly believe that there has rarely been a better chance of a positive result than this Sunday. I do so hope that the disappointment we have routinely suffered in our battles with the Redshite since Heysel does not kick us in the goolies yet again.
Go out and batter them. Make a statement of ongoing intent. Give us all a weekend to remember.
Michael Kenrick
23 Posted 13/04/2026 at 14:36:19
Really, Neil?

I have a vision of steam coming from the author's ears as he hammered the keys and the keyboard spontaneously igniting in flames.

I was quite restrained, I thought. And the laptop is still working fine -- although that might explain why I had to swap out the keyboard a few years back. (Our was that my own strain of the Don Alexander Syndrome?)

Yesterday, Conor posted this...

Our neighbours are supposed to be imploding while we are supposed to be on fire... yet we have both picked up 10 points from our last 6 games.

Which I must admit I found a little bit soibering. Tempted to hide behind the couch for the rest of the week.

Perhaps prayer and sacrifice to various deities is what's called for... although as I understand it, you have to choose a specific one -- and demonstrate undying fealty through a lifetime of devotion and good works before you even stand a chance of being heard. So I'm way beyond hope there.

Andrew Merrick
24 Posted 13/04/2026 at 15:00:21
There is no hiding place in the Derby Michael, you know that.
Front foot from the kick off, give no quarter.
Don't let us down Davey, you've done ok this season, make it one to remember please.
John Collins
25 Posted 13/04/2026 at 15:11:09
Michael,

Your in luck.
There are over 3,000 gods to choose from.
Jack Convery
26 Posted 13/04/2026 at 15:13:31
Beat them, Break them, Destroy them, Ruin them. FFS. It's about time we fecked this lot good and proper. Please, please EVERTON, absolutley batter them into total submission.

Off now to cool down the keyboard and take my BP meds. COYBs !!!!!!!!!!
John Collins
27 Posted 13/04/2026 at 15:31:02
"Beat them, Break them"
Thats the team talk sorted Jack
Win your individual battles, fast paced front foot aggression from the off.
Nothing to be scared of from what I have seen.
Mike Gaynes
28 Posted 13/04/2026 at 16:14:20
Ian #17 and John #21, I disagree. I think Moyes will recognize that this is a unique opportunity to go for Europe, with very little downside risk if we lose, and he will put us on the front foot a la the Chelsea game.

I just hope PSG knock them out tomorrow. Let the air out of their tires and they'll come in as flat as Chelsea did.
John Collins
29 Posted 13/04/2026 at 17:00:17
He should do, Mike.

It's an opportunity to go for the top European league as well.
Dave Abrahams
30 Posted 13/04/2026 at 17:27:50
Michael (23)

I think God is after sinners to change their ways, that's why I follow my religion, the saints way is already spoken for.

As you don't believe in God, I don't know what's in store for you -- I will continue to pray for your soul though!
Geoff Cadman
31 Posted 13/04/2026 at 17:42:14
Mike #10

Especially when they turn up in the pub in those same kits to watch them play at Anfield.
Darren Hind
32 Posted 13/04/2026 at 17:42:40
What a cry baby read that OP is. No wonder we are still playing second fiddle.

I must have read at least a hundred of these articles over the last 40 years and, from where I stand, nothing has change. All those years of outrage and indignity. For what???

Are we looking for justice? Seriously? That ship has long since sailed. We need vengeance.

We will never climb out from under the shadow of these twats until we stop showing the mocking kopites our open wounds and whining about how much damage they have done to us. Breaking new... they don't fucking care.

The simple fact is: most of our wounds have been inflicted by our own self-serving owners and chairman anyway.

For decades, our club has been run like a Greaty market stall. Nobody can condone or forgive what the Kopites have done and are still doing but, until we man up and stop moaning about the past, our club will always have this inferiority complex.

With a new ground and new ownership already in place, this is a perfect time for a complete reset. No point in waiting for them to hand over supremacy. They like it too much. We're just going to have to take it from them.

There is an almighty score to be settled here. Sunday is only the first day of the rest of our lives…
Geoff Cadman
33 Posted 13/04/2026 at 17:50:14
Andy #13

The same Liverpool Chairman who blocked Bilbao's approach for Daglish and suggested they approach Kendall directly instead.

Tony Abrahams
34 Posted 13/04/2026 at 18:35:07
I don't know about praying for his soul, Dave, but maybe you should be praying for his website?

Heysel was horrible, it definitely put paid to Everton's great team of the 80s, possibly going and creating a much bigger legacy. But Philip Carter should have been a lot stronger instead of just accepting the decision made by Thatcher, at the expense of a personal knighthood that was given to him further down the line.

Carter eventually worked for Bill Kenwright, a man who should never have been anywhere near Everton Football Club, and an even bigger demise set in.

I hadn't read your post, Darren, but I thought I'd glance at it before I started writing this paragraph, and the first thing that came into my mind when reading your post was Joe Fucking Royle.

He was Big Joe Royle to us, but he was Joe Fucking Royle to them because, like they don't give a fuck for us, Big Joe Royle understood this and he made sure he repaid them in the same way.
Les Callan
35 Posted 13/04/2026 at 18:40:50
Only just read this, Micheal, but well said. It's about time something like this was written.

Come on, FAB, how about endorsing this?
John Collins
36 Posted 13/04/2026 at 18:50:46
If the boot was on the other foot, does anyone think Inter, Milan, Roma etc would have accepted a ban? We should have fought that.

As Darren says, you get fuck all for what's happened in the past; use the anger to influence the future.
Paul Hewitt
37 Posted 13/04/2026 at 19:18:59
Geoff @33.

So Liverpool wouldn't let Dagilish.go, but We let Kendall leave. Says everything about the two clubs.
Edward Rogers
38 Posted 13/04/2026 at 19:36:40
Agree, Mike Gaynes,

I hope PSG absolutely batter them, like they did in the first leg but, this is Satan's 11 we are talking about. Would it surprise anyone if PSG played like Accrington Stanley tomorrow?

I've already had the "Our great support will see us home"... "This is Anfield" etc, etc.

All Shite in my opinion, but imagine the change in their demeanour if they did get through? So please, PSG, finish them off.
Tony Abrahams
39 Posted 13/04/2026 at 20:50:44
No love lost on either side for the referee, Chris Kavanagh, who has been appointed for Sunday's game.

There are not that many referees who don't pander to Liverpool, and although he's never been the best of officials for Everton, at least he's one of the few who is also hated by those self-demanding kopites.
Martin Berry
41 Posted 13/04/2026 at 21:11:23
I know what the manager will be saying, get the ball in the box as often as possible and take every opportunity to win a corner.

Liverpool are very vulnerable to crosses and, with our height, that's where we will win the game. Step forward, Big Jake!
Mark Murphy
42 Posted 13/04/2026 at 21:11:57
John @7,

“I think that was the game when Wayne clattered the keeper out near the touchline, I think…”

Not quite, John. Their keeper tried to clatter Wayne with a fly kick that makes Pickford's infamous challenge on Van Dijk look innocuous. The Red Shite have convenient memories when it comes to that.

On that occasion, however, as fast as the gobshites were baying approval as Wayne went down, they just as quickly shut the fuck up as he got up and shrugged whilst their keeper writhed in pain on the deck.

Can't remember the keeper's name but he should've seen a straight red!
Dave Abrahams
43 Posted 13/04/2026 at 21:35:10
Mark (42)

Yes, while the Reds wanted Wayne done for assault and battery, he got up and got hold of the ball and started spinning it on his finger with a big smile on his face.

That goalie had great potential... I think he got one England cap but several continual injuries around his neck or shoulder finished his career. I think Liverpool bought him off Coventry or sold him to them. I can't think of his name either.
Dale Self
44 Posted 13/04/2026 at 21:36:59
Michael, I enjoyed the restrained enmity, and your citing the historical context of its inception.

My whole fucking Everton experience is shadowed by that history. It weighs heavily on my ability to watch any of their matches. Resentment is not a strong enough word to describe how I perceive them and their smug as fuck fans.

For me, it isn't inferiority, it is an incendiary inspiration to see the House of Red Shite fall and fall hard in my lifetime.

This is the time for that turn to take place. They think they have recovered from a bad spell to once again claim European pedigree. They've got another thing coming.

Fuck those aristocratic football fuckwits.

UTFT! And demolish them!
Christy Ring
45 Posted 13/04/2026 at 21:51:28
I think it was Kirkland who clattered into Rooney?
John Collins
46 Posted 13/04/2026 at 22:10:37
It was Christy, you jogged my memory.

Wayne never moved an inch when Westerveld tried to cop for him. Keeper got the worst of it.
Ian Jones
47 Posted 13/04/2026 at 22:18:04
Enjoyed the read of the OP and the comments. I'm sort of with Darren. It's history now. If the club had been run better by the various boards, we probably wouldn't have been in the position we've been in.

We weren't the only team to suffer directly in the following season. Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs were the first clubs to suffer.

People also remark that teams like Norwich and Coventry suffered but who's to say that those teams would have even been in Europe? The 1985-86 season and beyond would have been different.

Going back to the derby game, I feel Liverpool will raise their game and it will be like their Cup Final... I'd take us to batter them 1-0.
Geoff Cadman
48 Posted 13/04/2026 at 22:38:54
Gavin Buckland covers the aftermath of Heysel in his book The End, and makes many valid points, and clears up a few myths. The RS fans disgraced our city and the country that night; as a result, we were tarred with the same brush and punished accordingly.

Uefa wanted all English fans and clubs out of European competition and we were only 1 incident away from a ban. I feel Uefa put everything in place to ensure they succeeded. All the bars doing a roaring trade, a crumbling stadium, a neutral section next to the Liverpool fans, many of whom had been on the wrong end of a hiding the previous year in Rome.

But that doesn't condone what transpired, an incident far worse than anything anyone could have imagined.

I remember boarding the coach to Rotterdam worried there might be trouble, due to the rumour that many Celtic fans planned to travel. The disbelief as we were herded into the Stadium via the exit gates, no one needing a ticket. The joy at the end and looking forward to beating Man Utd on the Saturday to complete the Treble. At least we beat the Red Shite 3 times that season.

Then the holes in the ban itself, all English league sides banned but Swansea, Cardiff and Wrexham could qualify by winning the Welsh Cup. Most of the worst incidents in Europe were during International tournaments but the England team weren't banned.

Celtic had knocked out Rapid Vienna. But due to crowd trouble they were forced to replay the second leg at a neutral ground, no sanctions for Scottish teams.

A few ToffeeWebbers often comment on the Steaua Bucharest flag waved by the Red Shite fans. I think if not for their fans, they would have probably won that night. Liverpool would have been the first city to win both those Cups in the same season. They denied themselves of an all-Merseyside Super Cup final and a possible all-Merseyside European Cup Final.
Geoff Cadman
49 Posted 13/04/2026 at 22:47:47
Paul #37,

They asked permission from Liverpool to speak to Daglish but spoke to Kendall without asking Everton. Everton offered Kendall a greatly improved contact but his mind was made up.

I always felt that Kendall expected to follow Lineker to Barcelona,
Sean Kearns
50 Posted 13/04/2026 at 23:07:22
It's not “The” Hill Dickinson Stadium. It's just “Hill Dickinson Stadium”…..

Semantics I suppose.
Derek Thomas
51 Posted 13/04/2026 at 00:17:45
Sean @ 50; Semantics, doesn't he play for City? you'll be telling next I don't go to The ASDA, (though I do go to ALDI.)

Edit; Doesn't matter who it is, it's just our next opponents and a game to be won. They're supposed to not so good right now, but there's no easy Premier League games.

We can do no more than play mentally and physically as well as we can - if we do that, then we win.

Don Alexander
52 Posted 13/04/2026 at 00:46:51
Hats off to MK, he hits the nail fully on the head.

Heysel killed us in our prime years to come, end of.

Their supporters were murderous in the extreme. Since then their supporters have repeatedly disgraced our city with their violence against opposing fans. That's a fact.

Evertonians in contrast we were in total empathy with the deceased at Hillsborough, and their families and friends. The reason for this is that we fans have class.

Aged 70, I will never forgive their hordes or the media that still eulogises them.
Bob Parrington
53 Posted 13/04/2026 at 01:20:43
The 1985 team was so exciting to watch. I will never forget the Cup Winners Cup Final in Rotterdam. The fans were fantastic, so well-behaved. Completely the opposite of our RS neighbours.

The drive back and then to Wembley was a real joy. Pity about Whiteside's goal. But that didn't take the shine off Rotterdam.

George's cameo vs Brentford showed well what he can do. I agree with those hoping Moyes gives him a start next Sunday.

Great article, Michael.
Steve Brown
54 Posted 14/04/2026 at 02:23:26
Honestly, I'd respect them more if they had the dignity to hold an annual commemoration for the Heysel tragedy to pay respect to the victims.

They pretend it never happened.

Paul Hewitt
55 Posted 14/04/2026 at 05:12:56
Steve@54. They do.
Alan J Thompson
56 Posted 14/04/2026 at 06:10:40
Tony (#34);

Spot on about Carter, he should have fought that ban through every Court in the land, not that he'd have needed more then one, but His Knighthood came first.

And to rub salt in, weren't the offenders the first English club let back in?
Derek Thomas
57 Posted 14/04/2026 at 07:45:43
Red Shite: you always get exactly what it says on the tin.
Tony Abrahams
58 Posted 14/04/2026 at 07:50:19
If I was to make a flag to get back at those Liverpool fans for the Steaua Bucharest flag, then it would definitely have both a brush and a carpet on it, Steve.
Paul Hewitt
59 Posted 14/04/2026 at 08:25:19
I thought this was a match review. But it's turned into a right moaning thread.
Les Callan
60 Posted 14/04/2026 at 09:56:22
Paul @55. Do they? If they do, it's very low key. 40th anniversary last year.

I wrote to the club, several tv companies and umpteen newspapers to ask what they were doing to commemorate it. Only one, North-West Tonight, replied.

They said they would report on it if there was anything to report! Contrast that to Hillsborough.
Paul Hewitt
61 Posted 14/04/2026 at 10:07:05
Les.

Go to Anfield, they have a memorial outside the ground with the names of all the people that died that day. On the anniversary every year, current and past players lay wreaths and have a minute's silence.

And yes, it's very low key.
Paul Hewitt
62 Posted 14/04/2026 at 10:15:10
Les.

Apparently on the 40th anniversary, Liverpool's CEO and other board members went to Turin for a special remembrance mass.

You can Google it.
John Collins
63 Posted 14/04/2026 at 10:17:47
Took them 25 years to put the plaque up, Paul.

A double standard club.
Brian Harrison
64 Posted 14/04/2026 at 10:17:48
First just a comment on Hysel, Thatcher decided that no English clubs would compete in Europe for a set period. What Carter and Everton should have got from the Government and the FA was that when the ban was lifted irrespective of where Everton finished in the league Everton would be installed in the Champions league when the ban was lifted.

Just a final note on Hysel, John Smith,who was their Chairman, was interviewed 45 minutes after the game was suspended and said this wasn't Liverpool fans this was the National Front who had mixed in with the Liverpool fans. He wouldn't take responsibility then and they haven't since.

We have had a very long time to rebuild and get back to where we were before Hysel and have failed miserably. I see no point in harking back to Hysel and keep saying "What if?" that moment is gone.

We now have a new ground and time to reset and start competing in Europe on a regular basis, which will allow us to bring in the quality of players that will help us challenge for the title.
Dave Abrahams
65 Posted 14/04/2026 at 10:18:36
Paul (61),

Fair enough — when did they start doing this memorial service and when did they put that plaque up with all the names of those who died on it?
Dave Abrahams
66 Posted 14/04/2026 at 10:21:34
Sorry I posted the above@ (65) before I saw John’s @ (63).
Paul Hewitt
67 Posted 14/04/2026 at 10:33:24
Brian @64. I agree, as much as the ban didn't help, the club didn't help itself.

Getting Harvey as manager when we were the best around and could have got a top manager at the time was a mistake. Harvey has even said that he shouldn't have taken the job.

In the 1987-88 season while the Red Shite were buying top talent in Barnes, Beardsley and Houghton, we only got Ian Wilson. We should have been all over the Beardsley deal before they could get him.

Plus the myth that the team fell apart because of the ban. Only two players, Stevens and Steven, went to clubs playing in Europe.
Stu Gre
68 Posted 14/04/2026 at 10:53:01
On this match, this is a real test for Moyes, a chance for him to turn some of his doubters like me around (not sure he cares, but you know what I mean).

History tells us that we will lose this game, or at very best, get a draw. I think it's a really good indicator of the reservations so many of us have about David Moyes.

Before we get into a debate about the quality of the teams Moyes has had, here is a list of managers with arguably inferior teams and their record (win %) against Liverpool (AI generated):

Sam Allardyce – 18.75% (6 wins from 32 games)
Tony Pulis – 25.00% (5 wins from 20 games)
Roy Hodgson – 25.00% (4 wins from 16 games)
Martin O'Neill – 23.08% (3 wins from 13 games)
Alan Pardew – 21.43% (3 wins from 14 games)
David Moyes – 10.00% (4 wins from 40 games)

That includes cup games but the league record is similar.

The point here isn't that Moyes is a bad manager, I don't think for a second he is, but he is stubbornly flawed.

This is the perfect opportunity to beat a beatable Red Shite team by taking it to them, surprising them with pace and a slight change in tactics, and realising we are in a wonderful new stadium at the start of a potentially incredible journey.

But like I said, history expects us to lose this even when we are in a great position to change the record books.

I expect us to lose because Moyes is the manager, not because we should. Only Moyes can show he has changed.

I do hate these games, I do expect us to lose even if we are 4-nil up with 12 seconds to play. I'm happy to finally be proved wrong though.
John Collins
69 Posted 14/04/2026 at 10:56:14
"The point here isn't that Moyes is a bad manager."

Apart from when he plays Liverpool, Stu.
Geoff Cadman
70 Posted 14/04/2026 at 11:03:18
Brian #64

I think he tried to blame Chelsea fans.

Paul #67

I don't remember many complaints at the time. Look at the RS after Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, and Daglish all untried. I do think that Paisley was the brains behind all of them including Shankly.
Dave Abrahams
71 Posted 14/04/2026 at 11:29:59
Stu (68), could you put Joe Royle's record up when he was Everton's manager versus Liverpool please.

To me Joe was an average manager but, as a born and bred Evertonian, he certainly knew how to play them on and off the field with a little quip here and there and always a smile on his face.

When the game started, he had Everton ready to fight them every minute of the game, respected them as a good team but made sure Everton players respected themselves by giving them no peace when they had the ball, and used it well when we had it.

That's what we need on Sunday: give them respect but expect it back.

Ian Bennett
75 Posted 14/04/2026 at 12:21:45
The way Dyche played and won was smart. Our players played with their brains, and drew Liverpool into silly fouls.

It is usually the other way around.
Steve Brown
77 Posted 14/04/2026 at 13:15:47
Paul @ 55, I assume you are referring to the memorial they announced last year to commemorate the tragedy -- 40 years later.

That is not what I meant when I said a commemoration service to remember the victims, nor do I mean club officials laying a wreath once a year and lowering the flags at the stadium to half mast -- pure lip service.

Liverpool held mass memorial services for Hillsborough up until 2016 with thousands of fans in attendance, together with the players, managers and former club legends.

Have Liverpool ever done this for the victims of Heysel? No... perhaps the unveiling of the memorial will give them a good opportunity to right that wrong.

It won't play to their professional victimhood posture, but we can but hope.
Mick Springstein
78 Posted 14/04/2026 at 13:19:15
A very astute précis of that chasm between the two clubs which has opened up since the 1980s. Capitalising on the unfair dismantling of our foresaken fortunes, it nags away at Evertonians.

Things are still far from perfect but there is a real sense of opportunity on Sunday. If the same fan welcome can be tuned to the same battle hungriness of the lads like the Chelsea game, then our first derby at the Hill Dickinson Stadium should leave us all with tears of joy instead. They won't like it, but we don't care.
Christy Ring
79 Posted 14/04/2026 at 13:25:33
Let's be honest, the club remember Hillsborough every year, which is right.

It was a shocking tragedy... but no reference or mention of the Heysel tragedy whatsoever?
John Collins
80 Posted 14/04/2026 at 13:39:49
Is there a Hillsborough tribute before Sunday's game?

Hopefully not.
Philip Devlin
81 Posted 14/04/2026 at 13:50:27
Christy - not only that, but they held their 2012 title-winning celebrations on the Heysel anniversary. They could've waited a week but they chose not to.

And it took decades before they were forced into putting away their poxy Steau Bucharest banner, which was textbook Heysel tragedy-taunting.

Sanctimonious hypocrites. Fuck ‘em.
Stu Gre
82 Posted 14/04/2026 at 13:58:38
Dave @71.

Joe's win rate is 42.86%.

P7 – W3 – D2 – L2
Christy Ring
83 Posted 14/04/2026 at 14:00:59
Phillip #81,

Respect, Sympathy and Humble are not part of their logo.
Tony Abrahams
84 Posted 14/04/2026 at 14:43:20
Are you sure, Stu?

I've just had a little look on Google and it says he was undefeated in his 2½-year reign. I don't know how he could have played more than five games (maybe six) in such a short space of time without cup ties and I honestly can't remember his team losing against them during this period, mate.

They hated him. The harder they tried, the more they lost their heads, and Big Joe was always waiting with a ready-made quip and smile. A lot to be learned, I think, because you have got to keep a cool head in the midst of these games.
Dave Abrahams
85 Posted 14/04/2026 at 14:53:52
Tony (84) is it possible Stu has included games when Joe managed Oldham?
Dave Abrahams
86 Posted 14/04/2026 at 15:02:55
Geoff (70),

All good managers, and yet the man who Catterick asked to join his coaching staff was Joe Fagan who declined the offer.

Joe was a very underrated manager who resigned as Liverpool manager the morning after that Heysel disaster. I think he won three honours in one season for Liverpool, a very good manager but much better as a man. Despite his success, he always wore the same size hat.
Craig Walker
87 Posted 14/04/2026 at 15:48:24
Good write-up, Michael. I agree with every word.

This one makes me nervous because I think we tend to do better against that lot when expectations are low. We've done alright against them in the home ties of late though.

I'd like to see George given a start because he's the type of player who can get the fans off their seats but I agree that Moyes will probably go for the more cautious approach of playing McNeil.

In terms of Big Joe, I think I'm right in saying we never lost a home derby under Peter Johnson's chairmanship. In retrospect, he didn't do too badly compared with what followed in that we were competitive against the Red Shite, won a trophy, and he rebuilt the Park End. Big Dunc definitely didn't lose a home derby game during his first spell.

I hate these games. I'd have preferred it to be played under the lights. The games boil down to which teams take their chances. I'd still put them down as favourites, but, if we turn up and perform with a bit of desire then we can rattle them.
Ian Bennett
89 Posted 14/04/2026 at 18:51:46
It will be interesting how Iraola and Bournemouth do next.

If it is like Brighton and Brentford, it will prove that the behind the scenes set up, is equally as impressive as the coaches that come through.

The transfers, new managers and world cup, point to record transfers this summer. So get your deals lined up early, otherwise youll be paying a lot more.
Christy Ring
90 Posted 14/04/2026 at 19:06:46
The amount of players B'mouth have lost, he's done an incredible job. John.

He must have some connection to Athletic Bilbao, he'd definitely get a more lucrative club?
Stu Gre
91 Posted 14/04/2026 at 19:09:34
Tony 84, yeah didn't do the sensible thing and check AI was right. Actual record:

P5 – W2 – D3 – L0
Unbeaten in all 5 derbies.
40% win ratio.


Dale Self
92 Posted 14/04/2026 at 19:14:51
It sounds like Marco Rose will join Bournemouth, leaving Dortmund for Terzic.

Arsenal may not get Saka back.
John Collins
93 Posted 14/04/2026 at 19:20:11
It's the area where he's from, Christy.

The article I read said for family reasons.
Mike Gaynes
94 Posted 14/04/2026 at 19:30:40
Christy and John, Iraola played 12 seasons at Bilbao. Over 500 appearances. Scored in his final league game and captained the club in his final match, a Copa final against Barcelona. That club is deep in his soul.
Robert Williams
95 Posted 14/04/2026 at 22:11:54
Bring it on!

Be brave, Dave!!
Laurie Hartley
96 Posted 14/04/2026 at 23:04:46
Ian # 89 - as Moyes and his Offsider were coming in for the Brentford post match interview, the microphones had already been switched on.

I am sure I heard him say to Moyes that one player had been sorted out. 🤔 9:00 minutes in.

Link

Jay Harris
97 Posted 15/04/2026 at 01:53:30
Time to get the dogs of war out of the kennels and let them loose.

Fight for every ball. Don’t let them get away with their dirty tricks especially that snake Mac Allister. Put the officials under pressure the way they do.

Get Reidy, Joe Royle, big Dunc etc out on the pitch before the game. They knew how to beat this shower.
Hugh Jenkins
98 Posted 15/04/2026 at 08:08:25
Geoff (70),

John Toshack said as much (regarding Paisley being the tactical brains), in an interview about his time playing under Shankly.
Dave Abrahams
99 Posted 15/04/2026 at 08:34:31
Hugh (90),

Quite a lot of Liverpool fans from that era rated Paisley a better manager than Shankly.

Peter Robinson, who was at Liverpool for a long time as secretary(?) recalled in Shankly's later years as manager he received many letters from fans demanding that Shankly be replaced.
Geoff Cadman
100 Posted 15/04/2026 at 09:33:39
Hugh @98, thanks for that.

With Fagan winning a treble, and Daglish the double in their first seasons in management, I am sure he still had considerable input even after he stepped down.
Tony Abrahams
101 Posted 15/04/2026 at 10:39:07
I watched Liverpool, last night Jay H, and a couple of minutes before he dived in the box, I could see MacAlister, in the middle of the pitch going nowhere, waiting for someone to come and put him out of his misery, so he could go down and (cheat) claim a foul.

It never happened, but lo and behold, not long later he has deceived the referee inside the box. He’s South American, the dark arts seem to come naturally, and with the Evertonians, also ready to do something that comes very naturally, in the bigger games, (get right behind our team) then hopefully the players respond and give us an absolutely beautiful day🤞
Mark Steers
102 Posted 15/04/2026 at 11:17:24
I hope the owners are quietly doing their job and checking out Glasner or Iraola for us to move forward next season. A good summer transfer window and we will be amongst the Top 5 -- easy.

I have banged the drum now for 4 seasons: it is imperative we find a class right-back and someone who can attack down the right wing and use their right-foot! That would take us to a new dimension.

Please go away from our club, Coleman -- the Bank of Sligo is full now surely.

I think we have a lot in our favour on Sunday... sadly, the only downside is clearly Moyes: pure scared of them, an average manager.
John Collins
103 Posted 15/04/2026 at 11:25:37
"Please go away from our club, Coleman, the Bank of Sligo is full now surely."

I reckon you and me are near enough the same in our opinions on how the club should move forward, mate; mostly I agree with your posts.

But that's a cunt of a statement regarding Seamus Coleman.
Ajay Gopal
104 Posted 15/04/2026 at 11:46:05
Stu (68),

That is a good compilation of managers who are considered worse than David Moyes and their results against Liverpool. Sean Dyche's record is much better than Moyes: 4 wins in 18 games = 22%.

How Moyes approaches this game will tell me if his mentality against the 'big' clubs has changed. I hope it has, because, if he sends out the team with a positive attitude, I think the talent is there to have a good chance of winning.

I won't even begrudge Moyes a loss if the team has put up a fearless performance. But if he puts up a cautious, timid approach, then he isn't the manager to take us forward.
Mark Steers
105 Posted 15/04/2026 at 12:02:14
John,

Please tell me his contribution over the last 4 seasons?

1st -- you have no idea of them.
2nd -- the cash he's pulled in over the last 4 seasons is beyond belief.
3rd -- he's the reason we have to play Garner and O'Brien there which weakens the team.

Simple: if he had a normal job, he would've been sacked ages ago.
Christy Ring
106 Posted 15/04/2026 at 12:05:45
Mark #102,

A total insult to one of the nicest and most professional players to play for the club, a legend and tremendous ambassador for the club.

Seamus Coleman -- one of the biggest bargains ever, bought for €60k, 16 years service, and to say "Go away from our club"... you're some fan?
Brent Stephens
107 Posted 15/04/2026 at 12:44:04
Mark #102.

Shocking comment about Seamus Coleman.
Mark Steers
108 Posted 15/04/2026 at 13:13:55
You lads sadly have no idea. There's a saying: "The truth hurts"... well, you three are the pinnacle of that.

Remember, nice guys don't win anything. He's a legend of what? He was just a right-back... and average at that.

I go to every game home and away so, if I'm getting short-changed, I will say. In my next post, I will show you a legend.
John Collins
109 Posted 15/04/2026 at 13:21:07
"You lads sadly have no idea."

Says the fuckin oracle.

Are you on your own when you go to away games, no other Everton fans -- just you in the away end? Just you with the right to give an opinion?
Mark Steers
110 Posted 15/04/2026 at 13:21:17
Legends are people like Neville Southall -- 578 games and the most decorated player in Everton history.

Then we have Seamus -- same time at the club: 372 games. That's 200 games less in the 16 years that both were at the club.

Don't slag the truth. John, Christy, Brent... Wake up!
Tony Abrahams
111 Posted 15/04/2026 at 13:30:21
Professionalism versus sentiment.

It maybe could have been worded differently but who doesn't crave ruthless professionalism?
Mark Murphy
112 Posted 15/04/2026 at 13:46:17
I'm looking forward to the reaction in the away end at the London Stadium when you stand up and shout, “Fuck off, Seamus Coleman!”

I don't think you'll find as many of the same mind as you think. Shocking.
Mark Steers
113 Posted 15/04/2026 at 13:55:54
He won't be there.

I know that.
Christy Ring
114 Posted 15/04/2026 at 14:05:02
Tony, Seamus has had a superb career at Everton, a true professional.

After watching him play in his prime, he was a top right back, definitely not average, and that's not sentiment. Man Utd were interested in signing him, but he had no interest in leaving Everton.
Tony Abrahams
115 Posted 15/04/2026 at 14:24:47
Since Everton last won a trophy, I have had very little affinity with many Everton players, Christy.

Thinking out loud, I've appreciated the talents of a few but, other than little Timmy Cahill and Seamus Coleman, I think I could just about take or leave every single other player who has played for Everton.

I am beginning to really appreciate James Garner; Jordan Pickford deserves a mention because I'm sure he could have demanded to leave and found quite a few better teams...

And I'm also hoping Branthwaite stays fit and sticks around, but for all Seamus's professionalism, I don't believe we have had value for money out of him on the football pitch for a few seasons now.

I wanted him to stay, but I wanted him to move over to the other side of the fence, and it wouldn't surprise me if this was the overall plan with regard to Seamus.
Brian Harrison
116 Posted 15/04/2026 at 14:57:14
I am really surprised that there isn't an article on Everton unveiling a plaque at Hill Dickenson to commemorate the Hillsborough tragedy.
Everon might not do everything right but this just shows what a class club we are. Well done Everton brilliant gesture.
Christy Ring
117 Posted 15/04/2026 at 15:07:01
Tony, I agree, but it's hardly Seamus's fault he got injured.

I hope he becomes part of the coaching staff next season, he's definitely an asset to the club.

Tony, I believe we're on our way back with the new owners, the last few years were a shambles. I haven't enjoyed watching us since Barry, McCarthy and Lukaku.
Mark Murphy
118 Posted 15/04/2026 at 15:17:58
Mark, he will. He may not play but he will be there, sat with Moyes on the side, I know that.

But it's not him you'll get the reaction from if you shout that. You'll have seen and heard the reception he gets every time he appears, albeit on the touchline.

I don't know you but I wouldn't wish on you the grief you'd get if you shouted anything as derogatory as you write on here in the middle of our away end.

You'd be lucky to get off as lightly as Barry's mates did at Arsenal.
Alan McGuffog
119 Posted 15/04/2026 at 15:20:34
When he hangs his boots up, I'd love to see Seamus as our man in Ireland.

Talking us up, selling the Blues, helping unearth the wealth of talent in all 32 counties.
Paul Hewitt
120 Posted 15/04/2026 at 16:36:49
I like Coleman. He's been a good signing. But I doubt any other club would have kept him on for as long.

Like Mark said, his contribution over the last 4 seasons hasn't been great. A club nearby certainly wouldn't... Got to be ruthless at times.
Christy Ring
121 Posted 15/04/2026 at 16:38:54
The more I think of it, there's been a good few comments going back months and months, by a small few ToffeeWeb members slating Seamus Coleman -- and always the same theme.

He was average and should be embarrassed getting paid and should leave our club.

I think they come on here to get a reaction? But I can't recall any such previous comments from Mark Steers.
Darren Hind
122 Posted 15/04/2026 at 16:38:59
Seamus Coleman is the only person I can think of who gets close to Moyes's record at the grounds of the big boys.

He's been a fantastic servant to the club. Made a mockery of the £60k we paid for him, but top class???

The reason none of the big clubs came in for him is that they often target him. While our left side was of trophy-winning standard, our right was always lagging a little behind.

Mark has upset a few on here, not just by criticising a club favourite, but by the words he chose; however, the basic premise of what he says stands.

As the memory of the legendary £60k bargain fades, he's been an expensive passenger for years now. Mark is right on that score. We should have been using the £12M we have paid him to pay a younger, better player.

Another reminder of what a sentimental loser mentality this club has embodied for years.
Dale Self
123 Posted 15/04/2026 at 17:00:20
I think Coleman's contributions to the team in the way of leadership and keeping discontent from developing is not given enough weight in evaluations.

Whether that is worth £12M, I will leave for others to debate. He has helped in ways we can't see, is my guess.
Brent Stephens
124 Posted 15/04/2026 at 17:11:52
Dale #123.

Yes, for a start, let's not underestimate his leadership qualities.
John Collins
125 Posted 15/04/2026 at 17:21:14
Shocking some of the comments on here. Behaving like that crowd from over the park.

How much of his wages did any of you contribute? And don't say "the price of my season ticket". Fucking disgusting behavior to a good human being.
Jimmy Salt
126 Posted 15/04/2026 at 17:23:12
At the end of the day, Seamus has been a legend for our club. But... the comments are correct regarding how long he has been allowed to draw a wage as a player.

It's not his fault, by the way, more a sign of the culture at the club. A culture which is hopefully changing.
Jimmy Salt
127 Posted 15/04/2026 at 17:24:43
Oh, and chill out, John.

You'd think you were related or something.
John Collins
128 Posted 15/04/2026 at 17:38:11
Your a good club man, Jimmy.

How much of Seamus's wages came out of your pocket?
Bill Hawker
129 Posted 15/04/2026 at 17:56:46
Mark.

Just stop. Embarrassing statement and embarrassing from anyone that calls themselves an Evertonian.

Bad day? Don't post on TW then and give it a day or two.

Coleman will be remembered by generations of Evertonians and rightly so. If you have an issue with a contract, then your issue is with the club, not the player. Always remember that.
Ian Bennett
130 Posted 15/04/2026 at 20:05:59
122 - Darren, I share some of those comments in terms of him being here too long, and a lack of a top class right winger since Kanchelskis.

But some of those comments are harsh.

I don't think he is the reason why we have a poor record at the big grounds,

I don't think he was targeted anymore than anyone else (certainly not when the big boys would have been interested).

Nor do I think he lacked the class to win silverware.

There is a long list of right backs that have won trophies at other clubs, and indeed our own, that are way below Seamus's level. Matt Jackson being one.

Coleman unfortunately has played in a generally poor Everton era.

Christy Ring
131 Posted 15/04/2026 at 20:33:55
Darren #122,

Totally disagree that Coleman was always targeted by the big clubs. The left side was a lot stronger than the right, and trophy-winning standard.

Seamus was a top-class right-back in his prime. If we had to be stronger further up the pitch, we could have won a trophy. Very few got the better of Seamus, Mane is one example.

Why are so many so bitter over Seamus being under contract? The club paid his wages, they refused to sign a fullback, especially as he's 37??
Tony Abrahams
132 Posted 15/04/2026 at 20:44:04
Matt Jackson’s contribution when we last won a trophy will never be overlooked or forgotten by me Ian!

That beautiful left footed strike in the mud at Ashton Gate, or the near post corner flick on at Elland Rd, and his hand in the goal in the final at Wembley.

He was actually a very accomplished footballer, who had loads of natural talent but never really kicked on, is how I remember Matt Jackson, and writing this got me thinking about the young player that Martinez, used at fullback, (forget his name, but I’m sure he came from MK Dons?) who looked like he was destined for a very good career, before he just suddenly drifted away.

John Collins
133 Posted 15/04/2026 at 20:59:46
"I deffo would not pay £40M for him, he's a £30M player."

That's another shout from those who don't contribute a nicker to transfers or wages.
Eugene Stalker
134 Posted 15/04/2026 at 21:00:00
Tony #132,

Brendan Galloway. He played for England youth teams up to Under-21 but switched to play for Zimbabwe.

Not sure what happened to him at Everton but I expected him to make an impact.
Ian Bennett
135 Posted 15/04/2026 at 21:06:25
Brendan Galloway?

I take the point Tony. But Coleman was no worse a right back than plenty of others that have won cups and titles. The issue was the player in front of him or elsewhere in the team.

A goal scoring right back, with a good engine. Could he have won stuff with better players around him. Yes, I think he could of.

Tony Abrahams
136 Posted 15/04/2026 at 22:11:18
Seamus was good enough to have played for the bigger teams and, according to a few Everton managers, we were very lucky to have him during a miserable period of mismanagement that had left our squad very thin on the ground regarding character.

Thanks Eugene, Galloway wasn't a natural full-back but he started playing really well there and I was of the opinion that, when he began to fill out physically, then he had a chance of being a really good central defender.

It's all about the work ethic, especially now when a lot of young players become millionaires very quickly, but we have got a few good young players at the club now so maybe Seamus Coleman might become a very good coach and finally get to help us win a trophy!
Michael Kenrick
137 Posted 15/04/2026 at 22:52:01
Brendan Joel Zibusiso Galloway did come from MK Dons, Tony, and looked promising for one season (was it 10 years ago?) with Everton.

He left in 2019 for Luton Town, moving on in 2021 to Plymouth Argyle, where I think he is still playing (age 30).

Such a common Academy story for the best who actually get to play first team football at Everton. But they turn out to be not quite good enough and play out the rest of their careers in the lower leagues.

Dale Self
138 Posted 15/04/2026 at 00:46:35
Didn't Matt Jackson head one into the net vs Spurs from a tight angle on our way to the Cup as well?
Darren Hind
139 Posted 16/04/2026 at 06:39:36
Criticism of Coleman was always going to attract an angry response, but sometimes facts have to prevail.

Coleman was never of the quality of Baines, while he thought about what he would do if he controlled the ball. Baines would be thinking what he would do when he had controlled it.

Coleman. of course, had different qualities. His swashbuckling style made him a crowd favourite from day one, but that style was often exposed by better teams with better coaches.

It's ironic really. Jake O’Brien is often criticised for his ability going forward, but very few teams will expose the right-back-sized hole left behind by Jake... and good luck to anybody trying the long diagonal over his head.

Two totally different players, of course, but Jake (even though out of position) will not lose as many games for Everton as Seamus did.

Whilst nobody is suggesting Seamus is solely responsible for an even worse record at the grounds of the Sky Four, there becomes a point when persistent common denominators must be examined and questioned.

I liken Seamus to Mark Noble at West Ham -- a once-in-a-generation club player. Noble was revered in the East End, every bit as much as Seamus is here. But being absolutely adored by your fans for your commitment, and being a top class player, are two very different things.

There are very good reasons why the big boys did not come in the way they did for Lescott, Stones, Rooney and Baines etc.

I also think the question of whether the fans pay his wages or not is both silly and irrelevant. They don’t pay the wages of any player. However, the fans have a right (as Mark has done) to question why the club is spending what little they can afford on a player (who has been finished for years at this level) when that £12M could be spent on a younger, faster, better, model. No club can afford to accommodate a player dining out on past performances.

It’s interesting: Coleman and Noble are roughly the same age. One was put out to pasture about 4 years ago. The other continues to hog a wage and a squad place. The Coleman situation is not just wrong... it’s truly bizarre!

Tony A

You are right, of course. Seamus may well become a great coach, but you can say that about anybody.

Whilst we know he can be an enthusiastic cheerleader, there is no evidence to suggest he will be a good coach. From what I have read and heard, I personally think Baines is far more likely to succeed as a coach.
Ian Bennett
141 Posted 16/04/2026 at 06:57:09
Indeed. Dyche, Lampard and Moyes have been highly appreciative of Coleman around the club.

Ive no idea if its just flannel, but it seems odd that they all say it, if he's just a liability.

Lampard's in front of the players vs Palace, looked pretty genuine. Moyes talked about Coleman at the open training session last week.
Lee Courtliff
142 Posted 16/04/2026 at 07:35:12
It's a bloody good job Earl Barrett was cup-tied in 1995, 'cos we never would have won the Cup without Matt Jackson!!

The only trophy I've ever seen us win, I was 13 years old.
Tony Abrahams
143 Posted 16/04/2026 at 07:51:29
Dyche told me exactly the same thing about Seamus Coleman, Ian.

I told him I thought there could be a few more leaders at the club, naming Tarkowski, Branthwaite and Garner... But what do we know? We only watch Everton playing every week!

I wouldn't blame the coaching staff for Galloway's demise, Michael, but the way the kids have seemingly been coached at Everton, for years and years, is a particular bugbear of mine.
Dave Abrahams
146 Posted 16/04/2026 at 10:01:12
This thread started off about the derby game on Sunday -- has that match been postponed???

I like Seamus but he won't be involved in the game.

Liverpool are having a really bad spell and are getting tossed around like a rag doll. Let's continue the mauling on Sunday by giving them and their fans the final humiliation they will hate most of all — getting hammered in a derby game.
Tony Abrahams
147 Posted 16/04/2026 at 11:51:44
Sometimes I think you're getting old and losing it, Dave...

But that last paragraph is brilliant. In fact, it was that good, I didn't mind reading it twice!
Mark Murphy
148 Posted 16/04/2026 at 12:09:25
I see what you did there, Tony.

For me, logic says we should win this derby. But we all know logic has nothing at all to do with this fixture.

I hate derby days and, if I had my way, I would be spending Sunday afternoon in a darkened room hiding from the world until either we'd won or until the West Ham game.

But my nephew and his young wife have just had their first baby, a boy, their pride and joy, and they've chosen this Sunday to drive over a 100 miles to show him off to us.

Of course my nephew, being a kopite, wasn't even aware of the significance of the day... so, even if the unthinkable does happen, he won't be allowed a fucking word!

Please, God, this time, let it be our turn! UTFT
Andrew Ellams
149 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:05:25
This could be the first derby game in a long time where we should be dominating the midfield battle. They just don't seem to have anything going on in there.

If we take our chances when they come we will win.
John Collins
150 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:18:22
Team talk 1.
"These have lost 17 games this season lads, some to teams below us in the table, they are out on their feet. I want you to attack from the first whistle, high press with equal numbers, win your tackles get the ball in the box and the crowd will do the rest"

Team talk 2
"I hate these derby games. Good side these boys, league title holders. Be watchful of their superstars, defend in numbers and try to pinch a goal."

We can definitely beat them but it all depends on how we approach the game
Ian Bennett
151 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:24:08
139 Whilst nobody is suggesting Seamus is solely responsible for an even worse record at the grounds of the Sky Four, there becomes a point when persistent common denominators must be examined and questioned.

Haha, what were the other denominators? The sky was blue, the ball was round and the grass was green?

I suspect the reason Coleman never got courted by the big clubs, is because he never saught it. I'd expect his personality to be like Big Nevs. Paid enough, at a club he loved, and felt appreciated. Some are happy with their lot.
Dave Abrahams
152 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:24:53
Andrew (149) Spot on Andrew and when Slot puts his best midfield player, the Hungarian whose name I can’t spell, at full back it really weakens their midfield.

Over sixty years we ago we won 4-0 at Anfield, surely it’s time we gave them another battering like that for us to remember and their fans find hard to forget.

Come Davie on Davie do that and I’ll like you until next Tuesday night—- Two whole days!
Dave Abrahams
153 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:29:13
Mark (148) “ I see what you did there Tony” what did you see — Am I missing something and really losing the plot— Come on Mark I can take it spit it out!
Michael Kenrick
154 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:31:41
Dale @138,

That was such a brilliant header from Matt Jackson, converting a superb delivery from Andy Hinchcliffe. The pure energy and excitement of that semi-final victory over Spurs lived long in the memory.

It was infinitely enhanced by The Farm using audio clips from that game on a reworking of their anthemic All Together Now:

1:20 -- Matt Jackson's goal, just fantastic to watch after all these years!

ps: Back on topic, there's a fair few decent goals against the Red Bastards in there too... Enjoy!!!

John Collins
155 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:32:04
Ian,

100% correct.
A humble man who fell in love with the club and the city.
Still lives in the city.
A nicer man you could not meet, got time for everyone.
Im sickened by the pile in on a good man.
Ian Bennett
156 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:45:39
One striking thing over the last 25 years has been a lack of ex-players good enough to take the job.

That is an almighty hole, when only ex-blues have lifted silverware. It tells you of a cycle of failure of player to manager, and back around again as a middling/struggling club.

I hope Coleman and Baines do have the wherewithal to be considered. Arteta and Speed are the only ones I can think of that I would have been happy in the dugout, maybe Dunc.
Christy Ring
157 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:49:29
Darren #139,

A but of a coincidence you don't rate Coleman and you previously slated O'Brien playing centre-back, both from the one country?

I know Baines had better quality, a great left foot and good going forward, but defensive wise, I disagree completely. Baines used to stand off wingers and they most times got a cross in.

Coleman was a better defender, in my opinion, and Coleman was never targeted, he was well able to defend against any winger.
John Collins
158 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:52:28
Christy,

Are you suggesting a bowler hat and half-mast kecks connection?
Dave Abrahams
159 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:52:33
Ian (56) Good post.

Maybe Baines and Seamus can add something to the coaching staff.

Gary Speed most definitely would have made a better job than some who have been used, but have another think about Dunc.
Mark Murphy
160 Posted 16/04/2026 at 13:56:04
Dave

Tony said your post was so good he read it twice.

You literally posted it twice.

(But it’s been deleted since so…)

Tony Abrahams
161 Posted 16/04/2026 at 15:14:06
That'll probably be Michael, tidying things up again Mark, and trying to create a little bit of confusion but I could be wrong!

I've just been sent a picture of the TIFO that the 1878 fan group have made for Sunday's game and, even for a cynical bastard like myself, I can only say it's absolutely spine-tingling.

We might have been in the doldrums for years but we are supporters of a football club who have completely stood the test of time….. Singing We Shall Not Be Moved! 💙
Jay Harris
163 Posted 16/04/2026 at 17:03:32
I can't believe, in the week of the first derby at the Hill Dickinson, this thread is dominated by people having a pop at Seamus Coleman -- a guy who has had more influence on the dressing room than any other player in recent history.

The man bleeds blue blood and I'm sure would play on crutches if it helped the team.

Let's keep it positive, please.
Geoff Cadman
165 Posted 16/04/2026 at 19:46:11
Seamus, sadly never the same player after his double leg break, ironically in an Ireland - Wales International.

I will never forget his last and possibly best goal in a Blue shirt. The 2 points it earned that day actually kept us up.
Brendan McLaughlin
166 Posted 16/04/2026 at 20:37:57
Christy #157

Perhaps I'm wrong but I always thought Darren had a drop of Irish in him.
Christy Ring
167 Posted 16/04/2026 at 21:20:07
Brendan, you could be right, but he did pick out two of our boys as average?

He probably did reply to me personally, I see his comment was removed, I'm guessing he replied to me nicely. 😃
Darren Hind
168 Posted 16/04/2026 at 21:40:10
Just the 98% DNA according to Ancestry / Genealogy.

It's not the people criticising the incredibly stupid contracts offered to Seamus in the past 2 years who are forming their opinion on race.

If people want to tell themselves that the big boys all dropped their policy of signing the best players and didn't come in for him simply because he "didn't seek it", that's up to them. I won't be answering their daft questions. That gets you banned on here

There has been no "pile on" here. Just 2-3 people expressing an opinion that the last two contracts given to Seamus were really bad business.

I'm just waiting for one of the outraged to come on and tell us those two contract extensions were a good idea.
Darren Hind
169 Posted 16/04/2026 at 21:47:23
My post was not removed, Christy. I deleted it. I didn't not deem your cowardly nasty racist slur worthy of response.

Just so you know
Christy Ring
170 Posted 16/04/2026 at 22:00:25
It certainly wasn't racist, just your opinion of Coleman and O'Brien, two Irish men??
John Collins
171 Posted 16/04/2026 at 22:12:22
Three (there's more than 3 by the way) is three too many.
Im waiting for any of the three to let us know how much they contributed to Shamus wages.
Beejaysus I'm surprised at you Darren tbh.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
172 Posted 16/04/2026 at 22:25:07
Okay, if this is all you can go on about, I'm drawing a line here and closing this thread.
Ian Bennett
173 Posted 16/04/2026 at 22:28:42
Darren, he was in the PFA team of the year in 2013-14. He was what 25.

Was he a better right back than Carl Jenkinson, Rafael, a finished Gaey Neville or a 31-year-old Bacary Sagna plus others? Yes, he was. Certainly the professional colleagues thought he was, even if you didn't.

The comparison to Mark Noble is a bit rough. The only PFA team Mark made was the Championship. That was his bar.

I agree entirely that the last 2 contracts shouldn't have been given. You got that bit right at least.

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