The Telegraph report that the Blues offered £10m in compensation on Monday and would be willing to increase the Portuguese's wages from £2.6m to £3.5m but the Hertfordshire club have emphatically said that they aren't interested in negotiating over Silva.
Silva joined the Hornets over the summer after a brief stint at Hull City and has them in ninth place in the Premier League with 11 matches played. Watford don't want to discuss the matter further according to the report and would consider lodging a formal complaint with the Football Association if Everton maintain their pursuit.
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1 Posted 15/11/2017 at 21:31:56
2 Posted 15/11/2017 at 21:40:58
If he's not willing to ask for a move himself then look for someone else.
3 Posted 15/11/2017 at 21:42:59
4 Posted 15/11/2017 at 21:43:33
5 Posted 15/11/2017 at 21:44:49
So it looks like the ball is in Silva's court if he wants the job he will have to walk out on Watford, and if he doesn't then we will have to move on. Looking more and more likely that Unsworth will be given the job for the foreseeable future as we are fast running out of credible candidates. I think if Dyche had been in the frame we would have approached him by now.
6 Posted 15/11/2017 at 21:50:47
Now if they want to talk to the police and say Bill is stalking their chairman, then that's a different matter!
As for how much we'd pay him, surely there would be no sums mentioned unless we are given permission to talk to him...
And 㾶m? Really?
7 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:04:28
8 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:04:57
Very hard to give a feck anymore.
9 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:13:00
Mr Moshiri may be well meaning and we are all grateful for his involvement in the Club; he, however, should accept that having a lot of money doesn't make him an expert in football. He got it wrong with Koeman and he appears to be floundering here.
It is unprecedented for a Premier League team to go a month without a permanent manager. I wonder about how this is playing out among the players? We need a permanent experienced manager and we need one quickly.
10 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:36:48
Tuchel with Unsworth assisting please...
11 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:43:05
I don't see why we should compensate Watford with anything more than the cost to buy Silva out of his contract if there is no release clause.
They can't stop him breaking it so, as many have said, it is up to him.
I would have thought we could quickly renege on whatever we offered Watford to placate the powers (haha) at the Premier League.
It's a process which we have to go through and and, if we want him, Silva will be our next manager.
12 Posted 15/11/2017 at 22:50:41
Don't you think the likes of Tuchel would bring his own men? Do you think a top coach like him would stand for Kenwright saying "The job's yours, Tommy Lad, but you have to keep Rhino on as your right-hand man"?? It's daft, mate; you all need to stop it.
13 Posted 15/11/2017 at 23:25:56
14 Posted 15/11/2017 at 23:47:03
I don't believe Bill has dropped in on the Vicarage on his way to Shaftesbury Ave. to have another chat about recruitment.
We have been linked with more managers than the NHS has to buy paper clips. All of them unsubstantiated.
Nuno thinks Wolves can be in the CL, Fat Sam has honourably discharged himself (without being asked) , Anchelotti wants to stay on his hols, The chosen one (relegated one) has joined the porn king and his mate for jellied eels, Dyche is getting on with business and Tommy tank is waiting for Bayern.
99.99% of these stories emanate from some old hack or a former footy player now plying his trade as a radio pundit.
Finding the right fit might need a few trips to the fitting room. The new guy will need one thing more than anything else and that is the transfer window to trade some of his incumbents. That gives Unsy a Xmas do and a couple of meaningless games in the EL to get his CV in order.
If God is listening please make Bill's musical a hit at Xmas and leave the rest of the board to hire a new manager. Oh and while your at it see if we can get a decent press officer so Farhad doesn't have to look a nob by using Jim "Talkshite" White as his mouthpiece.
15 Posted 15/11/2017 at 00:11:56
16 Posted 16/11/2017 at 00:24:46
17 Posted 16/11/2017 at 00:33:58
The club and the manager are probably suited to each other.
What are we chasing? A manager who did ok at Hull, restored some pride. Then went to Watford and ruffled the big boys feathers then ultimately let a lead slip (Chelsea) then lost a 2 goal lead to a side in the bottom 3. Yes. That was us.
If Unsworth had presided over the Watford team that capitulated to us then most on here would say “not fit to do the jobâ€. However!
18 Posted 16/11/2017 at 03:13:44
Let's stay with Unsworth, buy a good striker and defender, and if we are still in the bottom 3 with 12 games left, then change managers.
19 Posted 16/11/2017 at 05:05:23
Tuchel long term is still a great shout, but I still believe that Chris Wilder would be the perfect gaffer for us, first to steady the ship and improve us but, most of all, to give the team belief &and install a winning mentality.
20 Posted 16/11/2017 at 05:59:14
I don't believe he should be judged on his time at Hull.
He has had more managerial experience and success than Pochettino had before he went to Southampton.
Personally, I am OK with David Unsworth being offered a chance. As a Manager, you have to start somewhere. If he gets the team battling, showing spirit etc, playing 'entertaining' football, scoring more than we concede, then I would like to think most Everton fans would be happy...
21 Posted 16/11/2017 at 07:38:45
22 Posted 16/11/2017 at 07:40:08
23 Posted 16/11/2017 at 08:21:44
24 Posted 16/11/2017 at 08:43:37
It's a lengthy look at his tactical ideas.
I particularly like the comment 'His main form of attack is counter attack – the Greeks even used to joke that his side were so eager to counter, they would often consider giving the ball to their opponents just to break on them'
Sounds perfect for some of our players - who are already trying this giving the ball away tactic. :)
Just 2 paras here.
'There is a stereotype applied to most young, up-and-coming managers that their games are defined by high pressing, endless possession and silky number tens. The style after all has seen enormous success for Mauricio Pochettino and Pep Guardiola in particular. Marco Silva is a different breed of coach, however; his greatest influence is on the space between a player's ears, rather than at their feet.
That's not to say the Marco Silva way doesn't include elements of conventional tactics, though. Pacey wing play and a pressing game in defence are still important components in Silva's style, but the real trick is to teach players the finer details of space, organisation and movement, so that they can make better decisions as a game progresses. Unlike other modern coaches such as Jurgen Klopp, the Portuguese's first thought is to keep a clean sheet, rather than to out-gun their opponents. Even at a side with a crowd as demanding of dominating, attacking football like Olympiakos, Silva's priority was organisation and defensive structure. His main form of attack is counter attack – the Greeks even used to joke that his side were so eager to counter, they would often consider giving the ball to their opponents just to break on them.
Still David Unsworth for me - we can probably come back for Marco Silva another time, if it all goes pear-shaped.
25 Posted 16/11/2017 at 08:53:32
26 Posted 16/11/2017 at 09:01:33
To who exactly ?
27 Posted 16/11/2017 at 09:19:24
How on earth does he motivate his players with these stories flying around the sports pages?
28 Posted 16/11/2017 at 09:30:22
Like it or not, Tuchel is going to sit and wait for Bayern at the end of the season. He's gambling that he can get ahead of Nagelsmann in the race to replace Heynkes who will retire at the end of the season, after steadying the ship after the Ancelotti fiasco. Reports in Germany now have Tuchel ahead of Nagelsmann in the race too. So, why would he take the Everton job?
Ancelotti has also said he is doing nothing before the end of the season. With Italy missing the World Cup for the first time since 1958, the Italian FA will demand a big name to put things right. Perhaps Conte might have gone back after the World Cup, but they'll want someone announced soon, and I expect them to turn to one of their biggest names, such as Ancelotti or Perhaps Capello.
The fact that we have gone in hard with two big offers for a manager (what is the record for a manager because this must be close) they will not want to lose face and will be back with a third offer.
Let's not forget who Watford are, who their owners are, and that Watford are in essence a shop. The Pozzo's are in football to sell players to make money. Everything is for sale. That includes the manager. They're just driving a hard bargain, as is their MO.
It's a bit late to appoint a new manager now, with a game on Saturday, so I expect Unsworth will be in charge, but I would expect Silva in charge in time for Atalanta.
29 Posted 16/11/2017 at 09:36:54
However, having just studied the statistics between Everton and Watford they are basically seven goals better than us that puts them higher.
Not a great deal if you are looking at taking us the next level, are Everton looking at him as a cheaper option that may come good or truly believe he is the man to take us forward.
30 Posted 16/11/2017 at 09:56:41
Their ineffectiveness is there for all to see. Our ambitions are rendered useless as long as they are at the helm. How we have run our last three managers out of town (the last one in a particularly aggressive and personal way) and let Kenwright stay is absolutely beyond me. I do now think we have the club our inertia deserves. Sad.
31 Posted 16/11/2017 at 10:02:47
There is a reason Moshiri was only allowed to buy 49.9% of the club.
32 Posted 16/11/2017 at 10:18:27
Anyone from the Top 40 of this list would be a step forward:
33 Posted 16/11/2017 at 10:30:50
Moshiri now fancies Silva, on the face of it, a better more informed choice, and again someone I'm sure Kenwright would not have considered, he wants Unsworth.
With a bit of luck, he will eventually get it right. It's his choice after all, because he has put all the cash in.
34 Posted 16/11/2017 at 10:54:01
We have been paying our last two managers (who we poached from other teams) very good salaries to do very average jobs. I think quite a few managers out there would jump at the chance to turn our fortunes round.
There must be a couple of young up-and-coming managers we can take a chance on... they can't be any worse.
35 Posted 16/11/2017 at 11:20:51
36 Posted 16/11/2017 at 11:28:16
Now it appears that you've had a change of mind and believe that Tuchel is in fact the favourite for that gig.
The point is we don't know what's happening do we so to suggest that Everton will be going in for a third offer and that Silva will be here before the Atalanta game is just conjecture and guess work.
I will add to that conjecture by stating that Unsworth will be in charge for the Palace game. If he gets a positive result he will still be in charge for Atalanta and Southampton.
After that, who knows?
37 Posted 16/11/2017 at 11:42:48
Does Unsworth even want this now after it's clear the board have desperately been trying to farm the job out to complete unknown quantities like Silva or Nuno Esperito Santo? I'd be a bit put out if it was me.
38 Posted 16/11/2017 at 11:59:00
He's only 40, untried and untested and we're willing to throw this sort of money at him? Jesus, what on earth must managers like Tuchel have said to us if we ever bothered to approach them!
There are plenty of managers out there that are proven, and not in jobs at the moment. We're starting to look foolish now.
39 Posted 16/11/2017 at 12:14:36
The only correct decision the board have made recently was to sack Koeman.
40 Posted 16/11/2017 at 12:23:30
Don't want Unsworth, he needs to cut his teeth elsewhere first.
41 Posted 16/11/2017 at 12:29:43
Yes, we can point to the money we paid Koeman which some say was the 7th highest salary in world football. But these top guys firstly will only sign for clubs who are competing on a regular basis for Champions League, plus they will want around 𧶀 million to spend in at least one if not two of the transfer windows. Now Moshiri has money but not that sort of money.
As I said earlier, we have demonstrated to Silva how much Moshiri wants him by offering Watford around 㾶 million compensation. But, with the money involved in staying in the Premier League, they place having a manager who can keep them there far more important than a 㾶 million compensation package. So either Silva walks out on Watford or we are back to square one.
All of this will obviously undermine what Unsworth is trying to do. Players, like us, will know we have offered a fortune for Silva, so they and Unsworth know he is only a stop-gap. So I would hope by Monday Silva is here or Unsworth is given till the end of the season.
That would also send a message to the players: "Unsworth is in charge so accept it and get on with it."
42 Posted 16/11/2017 at 13:03:47
43 Posted 16/11/2017 at 13:14:58
44 Posted 16/11/2017 at 13:51:15
If he wants to come, he will â€“ simple as that.
45 Posted 16/11/2017 at 13:51:46
46 Posted 16/11/2017 at 15:10:14
The likes of Klaassen and Sandro should cut their losses and move on somewhere football is played.
Moshiri, if he is really interested in making something of the Club, other than a hobby, should clear out the old connections in the back room staff, including Walsh, and start with a blank sheet.
Rooney too has to go. It was a bad joke from the start. No more sentimentality. And that includes Barkley. He will never be a football great, just a continuing dithering disappointment.
47 Posted 16/11/2017 at 17:01:17
Who knows? But I can understand why Tuchel may want to wait and see.
48 Posted 16/11/2017 at 17:02:53
If that is true it would explain why so many of us have been saying that we can't understand who is really running the club.
And now we have displayed how inept things are by turning our search for a manager into a farce.
49 Posted 16/11/2017 at 17:18:01
The issue that everyone refers to is really about the lack of a dominant CEO. Elstone may be a decent administrator or bean counter, but Moshiri really needs a proper CEO in place, a larger than life character like Daniel Levy, David Gill, or David Dein.
You mention the names of each of these guys and you know which club they ran. I bet a load of you actually thought they owned the club. But no, they never owned the clubs they worked for. They just ran the clubs on a full time day-to-day basis. Moshiri needs such a character in charge at Everton, because Elstone is either too quiet or is actually downright incompetent and most of the bile on here directed at Kenwright (as above) is really all criticisms of Elstone.
Kenwright is the Chairman, his role in the day-to-day running of the club should be non-existent, as should be his input in transfers. Setting budgets, appointing managers, and big decisions on the month-by-month issues, sure that's his domain.
The club needs to act more like the major company it should be.
50 Posted 16/11/2017 at 18:48:32
51 Posted 16/11/2017 at 19:47:57
Given there are big questions involving his involvement in the flawed transfer business of the summer, what is the point of a Director of Football if in the biggest decision a football club has to make i.e appointing the team manager, the owner who is an interested amateur ignores the professional advice of the Director of Football.Doesn't make is sense to me.
52 Posted 17/11/2017 at 17:38:54
The performance of Elstone is not necessarily linked directly to the public's perceptions of his role and how it plays out at all. Every company has it's own practices whether interpretations of standard norms or bespoke management plans. Everton will be no different. Elstone comes across as polite, friendly, approachable, and business like and that's about it.
I very much doubt that Kenwright's involvement is a result of Elstone's shortcomings. Kenwright will ride in from side stage at a whim (and I believe loves doing so), and that may be part of Elstone's problem. But a job is a job, as they say, and you manouver around as best you can.
The high profile CEOs tend to come to the fore by sheer drive and personality hand in glove with the company framework. Elstone is probably extremely hard working, sincere and efficient, but since when has that been enough!
The emerging tension between Kenwright and Moshiri, perhaps polarization is a better description, is evident in the old staged conversation about Moshiri not wanting Everton to be seen as a museum. That really got up Bill's nose big time!
I would really love a Roy of the Rovers version of Everton to emerge with Wayne, Unsy, Ross and Tom leading the charge to European Glory, but sadly I don't think that will happen. A Leicester's type season is a once in a lifetime experience . . . . . .
Moshiri vs Kenwright? I back Moshiri, because Kenwright should understand and respect what real money spent wisely can do for the club. But the real pain for an Evertonian being dragged up to the top table of the football elite is a peculiar sensation. Perhaps its a sad measure of what being a good supporter is all about. How do Man City fans relate to the experience?
Kenwright should step gradually to one side and let money matters take their course. Elstone is a side show. A fired up Barkley, an in form and in position Sigurdsson, and 2 key players; one at the left side of defence and the other a striker, all well managed, will be the real deal.
53 Posted 17/11/2017 at 18:13:39
As for Kenwright v Moshiri, is there any real evidence of this? If Moshiri and Kenwright really did fall out, Moshiri can just vote him off the board at the next AGM or even hold a EGM, and Kenwright could do nothing about it, unless he could rally every single other shareholder, including every minority shareholder.
The reality is that Moshiri would also be able to manipulate the board by threatening to remove them as well, unless they voted Kenwright out at the next board meeting. So, Kenwright cannot really fall out with Moshiri. Especially, if he "wants to play with his trainset" or however it is put. So I don't believe any rumours of a split; I would be interested to see the evidence of this.
You bring up a left-sided defender, which is a curious term used by Koeman. Do you mean a left-back? Or do you mean a left-footed centre back. I fail to see why it is so important to have a left-footed centre-back. Personally, I played on the left but was right-footed (an idiot school teacher played me at left wing when I was 10 because I was left handed and assumed I would be left footed and it stuck). I don't understand the need to be left footed to play left centre back, especially when you're usually up against a single striker. Van den Hauwe was also a right footed left back. Mountfield played left centre-half and he was right footed.
The only left-footed centre-back I can recall playing at Everton in recent years (other than Funes Mori) was Distin. I totally fail to understand the obsession. Koeman used left-footed defender as he wanted a left-footed Holgate to play left-back and left centre-back. Holgate, by all accounts is two-footed, but I saw little evidence of that against Sunderland.
54 Posted 17/11/2017 at 18:47:45
Interesting in what he says exactly here. It's easy to read between the lines and say what is unsaid, i.e. that he wants the clubs to sort it out so he can move to Everton. If he really did not want the job, he could simply shut it down.
55 Posted 17/11/2017 at 19:32:24
56 Posted 19/11/2017 at 07:54:01
57 Posted 19/11/2017 at 07:59:18
Michael Dawson said that five minutes into his first training session he had hold of Dawson by his bib manoevering him into a better position saying “No, no no - hereâ€. He didn't give them a day off until after the Liverpool victory because “if you're at the bottom you don't deserve oneâ€.
He instilled belief quickly, and turned their home form around very quickly. He could be just what Everton need.
58 Posted 19/11/2017 at 08:21:03
For a lot of people at Everton, both on and off the field, being successful is not part of their remit â€“ they want status quo. Nothing will change unless we have systemic change at the club. The Emperor is still holding the keys.
I have heard Usmanov is now rethinking the whole project. However I doubt he will pull the plug completely. A real statement will be if Silva comes and we can see how much money he is given.
Again, The Emperor is now interfering in team selections and Usmanov is livid apparently; we need to put pressure on the club and put all the old guard on and off the pitch to the sword. It is the only way.
59 Posted 19/11/2017 at 08:34:34
I'll come back to that in a minute but I would think that rearranging the deck chairs on an ocean-going liner sailing through bloody icebergs, something... something needed extremely quickly, ought to be coming from our Board. That something, in my view is possibly, now, too late... and that something is a decision!
Why it hasn't been taken, I don't know, but my guess, my heart, my worry tells me that the Board is still being controlled by Kenwright, as is the club. I think enough control is being retained by Bill Kenwright who has a majority of of lackeys on the Board.
I'm not sure that, as some have said, that Farhad Moshiri needs to grow a pair of knackers, I think he is now realising that he has been lured into a role of supplying the money, without quite getting the power required to sort this bloody Club, the club we all love, out. In my view, until he does, we will continue to be stricken by this indecision.
I can remember the (vaguely now I admit) the King's Dock disaster, the world class stadium in Kirkby nightmare the episode that say his mate, the feller who give him the means to buy out Peter Johnson and the subsequent booting out of that same man, Gregg) by the current Chairman who had mysteriously found an investor, a "lifelong Evertonian" who knew nothing about about Everton, when Gregg was attempting to take over this club.
Long time ago all that; but the situation on the Board seems just the same.
I'm not particularly against the EitC aspect of the club but the club itself is more like an organisation that needs Care in the Community at present.
All the managers, including our current one, can only play with what we have in this current squad; and each match that goes by in the same manner as we have seen so far, the more dangerous a situation, we face.
The squad has some, a fair number, of good and decent players but I think we can all see that we are drastically limited in defence, midfield and up front. The most critical area, in my view, is defence, followed closely someone in midfield; but the defence is dire. We have Bainsey who has been a great servant but is struggling. Jags has now lost his speed and I'm not sure Williams ever had any. Keane is not showing anything that leads me to feel confident that he's there, and Jonjoe is a young man learning his trade.
Many have said about Schneiderlin, that he is not a man we can depend on, and this is in a critical position (oh for still having Gareth Barry available) and Gueye has shown his limitations.
I think Niasse (and I'm chuffed to bits for him) has shown he can at least head towards goal and score a few, and also put defences under some pressure. And, to me, Wayne Rooney is doing too much to try and carry the team, and getting himself frustrated trying to do so. If he is able to just concentrate on his creative side, I think he will be a lot more useful to the team.
So, to me, we're not without decent players in the Club but we are woefully short of speed, intelligence, aggression and skill in defence; and the positions that currently Gueye and Schneiderlin are currently occupying appear to be first choice for. If we could get a forward who may be a journeyman but is a feller who knows his trade in scoring goals, it would help enormously.
This isn't going to be popular, I know, but to me we are fast losing the opportunity to bring someone in who can give us the best chance of avoiding relegation, from the games we have left. I would doubt that any manager who could command a position in Europe would touch us with a barge pole at the minute. We must look like a real basket case of a club.
Sean Dyche, whether we like him or not, is a currently and on past performance, a candidate who has knowledge of the way the Premier League works and he's done well on a low budget. But he's not likely to come as a stop gap. Why should he unless he's offered total control of the transfers and money to buy who he thinks will fit into the pattern of play he wants to instill? I think the same goes for the Watford manager.
I think we're not going to have the luxury of choosing a manager from a big list of top managers, not until the situation we're in is resolved one way or another at the end of the season.
Why on earth the Board had no back up plan is hard to understand... unless perhaps there is this power struggle going on.
The number one priority ought to be, that we avoid relegation and the build up from there. The board are fast running out of options and someone who has the power to buy in, those players who can come in during the January window and replace Jags and Williams, for a start, plus another left and right back I don't think we can depend on Seamus being able to come back for a good while yet, nor will Funes Mori.
We are not too big a club to be relegated and it's going to need more than just "fight" to pull us out of the mire.
If the club doesn't get it's act together and make a public statement of their way out of this mess. I think we could end up at the end of the season, going down. The only man who I can see that can do such a job, if he would take it, is Alladyce.
60 Posted 19/11/2017 at 08:51:29
Jim, you may be wasting your time on here; some of them think Everton is this nice community club (bullshit PR) with old values.
The club is in a seismic power struggle of Stalinist proportions. It is the final death throes of a corrupt nepotistic regime handing out favours and contracts to their mates.
Why has Vlasic been dropped? The treatment of Niasse? How on earth can Baines and Jagielka still be playing in the Premier League? If you're a good old finger-pointer stalwart like Neville and Moyes, you are fine as long as you salute The Emperor.
I like Unsworth, don't get me wrong. But he is very much only a Stormtrooper in this grubby saga... Down with the Ancien Regime!
61 Posted 19/11/2017 at 08:56:45
62 Posted 19/11/2017 at 08:57:25
If Silva is the man they want, why let a lousy ٣m delay the appointment? I have got to the stage where I just want to see someone make a decision. ٣m is a bag of nuts in today's Premier League.
Maybe the real delay is there is still uncertainty and prevarication over whether he is the right man? Or they are just letting them get their game against West Ham out of the way first and then do the deal.
63 Posted 19/11/2017 at 10:54:39
64 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:13:27
My son, who is 6, said "Why did we not replace Lukaku before we sold him?" As Einstein said, children ask the best questions. But I will be honest, I wouldn't want to be Usmanov choosing the next manager.
65 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:19:49
66 Posted 19/11/2017 at 11:23:32
67 Posted 19/11/2017 at 15:56:24
The manager, allegedly we are interested in, and of course, the least said.
I am surprised Eddie Howe has never been talked about, as being in the frame. He has performed an amazing feat with Bournemouth in getting them into the Prem, and keeping them there, with a very limited budget too.
His team's play with a bit of style, and what I like, is if they are drawing or even 1 goal down, at 89 minutes, they go for the winner or equaliser, until the final whistle.
I am still not fully convinced by Silva, being the right man for the job.
68 Posted 19/11/2017 at 16:25:04
Roberto, Phenomenal, Martinez.
Ronald, that'sh football, Koeman.
Bill, what a manager, Kenwright.
And, Farhad, we are expected to lose to top 6 teams, Moshiri.
We are a joke!
By the way, Watford is one up after 10 minutes.
69 Posted 19/11/2017 at 16:37:20
They don't pass the ball sideways among the back four. They move the ball forward and with speed. Their players are always looking for the forward runs and everyone is given license to make those runs. I firmly believe that Silva would have Klaassen, Sigurdsson and Davies thriving, even Sandro.
70 Posted 19/11/2017 at 16:57:45
I agree. As it stands Watford are 8th and playing much better football than Burnley in 7th. Dyche has had a long time with Burnley whereas Silva has turned Watford around pretty quickly.
I think of the options available he looks the most exciting prospect to me.
Dyche would no doubt have us solid but I think Silva has the capability to do better than that. He looks the nearest thing to the 'next Pochetinno' that I can see. No such thing as a sure bet with managers and his lack of a long term project concerns me but I think he's our best bet.
㾻m and he's ours if you believe what you read. If that's true I think there's a decent chance he'll be a Toffee within a fortnight...
71 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:03:04
West Ham look a bit, er, Moyeseque.
72 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:05:12
If we can't win, I'd like to see us at least playing some decent stuff. Give us some value for money. This is our 4th crappy season on the bounce, I can't take much more.
73 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:06:17
Whoever gets the job (and it won't be Unsy) needs to get some discipline and balance in the team sharpish or it'll be a long hard winter. There's not a minute to spare so come on get someone in this week.
74 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:13:28
75 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:19:58
Is that rumour, inside knowledge or a report in the press?. You may not ever have claimed to have first hand knowledge of what happens at the club, but you do tend to post as if you do.
76 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:20:51
77 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:26:35
Under Martinez it was possession for the sale of possession, passing it around in our own half for minutes on end. Silva's team do not pass it about between defenders. They get it forward quickly, moving it quickly, always having players making runs and players looking to play those passes. It's more like a Wenger style.
78 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:28:31
79 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:28:48
80 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:33:51
81 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:36:20
Will Hughes and Tom Cleverley have both looked good, but they have been under no pressure since the first 10 minutes or so.
I'm not convinced, but as I say, interested in opinions.
82 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:37:43
83 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:38:47
84 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:41:45
85 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:43:00
86 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:47:37
87 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:52:15
88 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:56:29
He is a riskier option in some ways to Dyche but with larger potential upside. Looks like Mosh has set his sights on him and if so I think he'll be here by Xmas if not by Southampton.
89 Posted 19/11/2017 at 17:58:14
90 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:01:04
Reading too much into it or I'm a media whore who believes everything I read?
91 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:01:19
92 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:11:48
He's not yet built a long lasting 'project' but see no reason why he couldn't.
Getting something resembling fast, effective football with our current crop of over the hill-ers and fresh faced kids may prove his biggest challenge yet. Along with working with the confusing, buck-passing hierarchy that is EFC.
93 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:25:12
Now that Moshiri has made his pursuit of Silva known via Sky Sources, it can only be a matter of time before it happens. I hope our majority shareholder does not regret it but at least we will be clear about who is responsible if it all goes pear-shaped.
94 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:34:30
95 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:46:11
If its Silva who is to be our next manager, well good luck to him because he will need plenty of it. I'll give him ten games before he's shite on here, its a risky appointment for me because he's largely an unknown quantity.
Yes, he's done okay/well in the short time he's managed in the League but there's too little evidence to pin our hopes on him. It could easily go pear shaped again, in my opinion.
96 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:52:37
Watford are 8th and playing much better football than Burnley? Ridiculous statement. Burnley are exactly where? Oh yeah, above them.
Run of form since October 14th- Watford: W-L-L-L-W (6 points), other notables; 23 goals conceded and a 6-0 beatdown by Man City, a 4-2 beating by Chelsea, and a draw to Liverpool.
Burnley: D-L-W-W-W (10 points), other notables; 9 goals conceded, draw to both Liverpool and Tottenham, win versus Chelsea, and a 3-0 loss to Man City.
Burnley has conceded 3 goals one time this season while Watford have conceded 3 or more 4 games out of 12.
What exactly do you base your claim on then?
97 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:53:41
98 Posted 19/11/2017 at 18:57:49
So, 3 years from now will there be a list of ex Everton gaffers from midlevel Premier League sides walking the Earth?
Stick with Unsworth, if and until a World Class gaffer becomes available and is interested in our club.
99 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:03:59
Not sure this guy's experience is enough for us to be honest, especially in the state we are presently in.
100 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:43:13
Probably because his lawyer advises him that he would render himself liable to attract an action 'for non-specific performance'. Messy and expensive, believe me.
101 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:46:56
Let's hope we don't end up regretting the massive outlay being rumored to release Silva.
102 Posted 19/11/2017 at 19:53:38
Obviously we can't risk being accused of tapping him up, but the whole football world seems to be aware of our intentions. He probably needs reassurance that we want him before he pisses on his chips.
103 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:01:49
You can't just resign and go wherever you want. That's not how contracts work. He is under contract to work for them. If he wants to resign, it would be conditional that he doesn't just resume those same duties elsewhere.
Just as if they wanted to fire him, they would have to come to a financial settlement for what he is owed. Come on now, people.
104 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:21:55
I assume your reply was for me, not Eddie.
Managers' contacts aren't the same as players', who are an asset. Managers do resign and take up other posts.
105 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:27:37
No, I replied to Eddie, the post right before mine. In either case, you are incorrect. If he is under contract he can not just resign and go wherever he wants to do that same job. It just does not work that way.
The other club may elect to just allow a manager to leave without working out the buyout/compensation. But if they don't want him to go they can hold him to his contract and demand compensation to allow him to leave.
106 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:29:13
I think the only way Silva will become Everton manager is if he walks out, and yes there will be legal ramifications but I don't think they can stop him working for another club. I think Watford know he wants to talk to Everton, and lets face it a club that has had 8 managers in 6 years can hardly preach loyalty. Once a player says he wants to leave then it usually happens, yes I know both Courthino and Van Djyk wanted to leave but would you risk any money that one or both have left by the end of the next window.
Plus if a player expresses a wish to leave he can always be left on the bench, but when a manager expresses the same wish then he cant be sidelined. I would think its in everybodys interest for a deal to be done. As far as Everton are concerned they either have Silva in place before their home game to West Ham or they must then appoint Unsworth till the end of the season.
For those nominating managers currently out of work I would have thought if any of them were on the radar a deal would have been done by know. As they don't have to pay compensation. So it looks like its Silva or unsworth.
107 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:32:38
108 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:41:22
Sorry, I didn't see the post by Eddie.
As clubs don't purchase managers, they are free to ply their trade where they wish. Any legality is between the manager and their previous employer.
109 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:45:06
110 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:46:10
Silva cannot simply walk away and sign a contract with us if Watford does not wish to let him out of their contract. It's a simple concept.
111 Posted 19/11/2017 at 20:53:05
Allardyce resigned then courted the Everton job. Dogleash resigned then went to Uncle Jack.
112 Posted 19/11/2017 at 21:03:56
"As it stands Watford are 8th and playing much better football than Burnley in 7th"
My statement was, "Watford are 8th and playing much better football than Burnley?" What part of your message did I misstate Sam? I am still waiting for the answer instead of your failed riposte which dodged the issue.
See, I gave you facts and am waiting for substance from you. I only get grumpy on here when people make statements as "fact" when the actual evidence is to the contrary.
113 Posted 19/11/2017 at 21:24:54
114 Posted 19/11/2017 at 21:31:52
He reminds me too much of Martinez to get me excited.
Given our recent performances I am now dropping my standards to say Dyche or Eddie Howe are safer nets.
115 Posted 19/11/2017 at 21:37:41
Which statement did I present as 'fact' which incurred your grumpiness out of curiosity?
For what it's worth some your 'facts', taken from your own very selective timeline, didn't seem very pertinent...
116 Posted 19/11/2017 at 22:51:18
I expect that the media presumptions are fuelled by those close to him letting them know his stance. If all goes well, we could see him up at USM Finch Farm by next weekend. If the Sigurdsson deal was anything to go by, it could be next November!
117 Posted 19/11/2017 at 23:17:27
If he resigns, why would we have to pay compensation? They won't give us permission to speak to him, so technically there has been no contact between us and him. Then, as he is unemployed, we can offer him the role.
118 Posted 20/11/2017 at 05:41:55
You seem to be operating under the misguided assumption that a contract is a one-sided agreement. It is not. The contract is agreed to and signed by both parties. Either side wanting to break said contract has to be able to come to an agreement that would allow such.
I'm sorry, but you are simply wrong. He can not simply quit and go on to do the same job elsewhere with no financial repercussions. That's not how it works. This is why there are scenarios where a person's resignation is refused. They could choose to let him leave. Or they could choose to hold him to the contract that he willingly signed into. At which point, if he still wants to leave, a financial arrangement could be agreed. That's how contracts work, in life, everywhere.
119 Posted 20/11/2017 at 09:41:32
Obviously Leeds would have been entitled to (and no doubt received) compensation but would the amount not have been based on the salary he was on?
From what I've read, Silva is on a 2-year contract at ٠.5 million a year would not his resignation, followed by ٣ million compensation, free him from his contractual obligations? That seems to be the way it works when the employer (ie, the football club) terminates a manager's contract.
120 Posted 20/11/2017 at 10:03:00
The contract exists between Silva and Watford. Everton aren't a party to it. If Silva resigns, then Watford could sue Silva for breach of contract. That contract would then need to be valued to set the level of compensation for said breach.
Often the salary for the unexpired part of the contract is the basis for the compensation. In this case,that is rumoured to be c ٢-5m. This would come from Silva, not Everton. However, when a manager moves from one club to another, it would be paid by the new employer.
Purely through observation and without any knowledge of this situation, it appears to me that Silva wants to retain his reputation and not resign after only 6 months at Watford. Everton appear to want to help him with this which is why they have offered to double the compensation calculated on a resignation.
This is all very noble and the way I'd expect us to act. However it increasingly looks like Silva may have to resign after all to force the move through. In which case, it will be interesting if Everton pay the inflated compensation to Watford or merely reimburse Silva with a signing-on fee equivalent to the compensation for breach of contract calculated from his unexpired contract.
121 Posted 20/11/2017 at 10:10:05
So if nothing happens over the next few days, then for the stability of the club and for the sanity of us supporters they need to give the job to Unsworth. Now whether thats till December or till the end of the season he needs and the players need some certainty over who is in charge for the foreseeable future.
122 Posted 20/11/2017 at 10:29:18
123 Posted 20/11/2017 at 10:53:20
Brian (#123) whilst we may well have been refused permission to speak to Silva, I very much doubt that his agent has not been made well aware of our position!
124 Posted 20/11/2017 at 10:55:48
125 Posted 21/11/2017 at 22:32:23
126 Posted 22/11/2017 at 08:20:46
Now that is an impossible figure to calculate, and one could argue of course that they might even do better under their new man but they would be negotiating their position based on the potential downside cost of losing Silva. Therefore I perceive the circa 㾶m offer from us to be a figure which has been set to more than cover this eventuality for Watford in order to oil the wheels and speed up this process.
I am not sure what Silva's unexpired contract value has to do with anything given that he is initiating the departure other than being an offset against the total potential cost (as agreed or negotiated by the two clubs) of his departure.
127 Posted 25/11/2017 at 01:01:03
This season simply shows how good Funes Mori really is, Coleman's truly mustard... and bring back Hibbert, ffs!!!
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