David Moyes not willing to let Thierno Barry rest on his laurels

He's only scored one goal.

Is that what we guve laurels out for at Everton these days?

His first touches are way better than Beto, but still lacking the clinical touch.

I hope the manager isn't letting other players who have been in the Premier League for years rest on their laurels but demanding more of them!

At the bottom, the Toffees move six points clear of the relegation zone, while at the top the Blues are now six points adrift of leaders Man City in the title race.

You start him every week, he is on Cloud 9 after scoring, and the manager turns around and says he's crap and he's probably going to drop him for Beto.

Hope he toughens up. He will need to in order to be the type of striker we need.

Milenkovic knew he had the better of Baz in the first half, and I personally demand more of that…. The same reason I don't enjoy women's football and have zero interest in anything about it, as someone kindly informed us above.

I personally don't just watch football for the skill, I watch it to see grown men put a hurting on each other. Physically and mentally!…

Baz is weak but we're Toffees and I'll back the lad while he wears the shirt. Rather have Beto though….

Also random point but seeing the left-footed Keenan Dewsbury-Hall score so many bangers with his right foot has really emphasized how shite Dwight McNeil is! I was always a McNeil supporter and thought he was good 😂 while many on here said he was shit. Now I see the light….

Dwight comes on to slow the game down when we are winning and is tidy with the ball, but no bloody wonder we weren't scoring many goals when he started.

It was always gonna take a full season for Barry, who probably weighs in around 175 lbs, to muscle up and get accustomed to the physicality of the Premier League.

I still think so. Give him 30 more games and a summer in the weight room and then we'll see what we've got.

McNeil is shit?

He might surprise you in the next few months.

He's not on massive money, he's down the pecking order, out of contract in 2027, and would offer a Premier League-ready player for someone near the relegation fights.

Slot could do a lot worse.

Next weekend, away at Chelsea. Our premature jubilation could well turn into a weekend of woe and misery.

We've all been there before -- and we fall for it every time, myself included. Please let our 2-game run turn into at least a 10-game winning spectacle!

To be fair, that Serbian centre-back is fucking massive!

And Barry with his dislocated shoulder still made him look a fucking tart!

"Premature jubilation"... suffered a lot from that down the years.

I know you are a big fan and may well overcome the physicality which he should do. I am more worried about his mental toughness. Believe me, I want him to succeed -- as I do with Beto, who has both but lacks the skill.

Believe me, I think we do have the makings of a team... Rome wasn't built in a day but I do see there is a team mentality forming.

I was hoping that you might be able to break down this broken English and make connections and meanings more clear.

I get it, you want to see more of Milenkovic getting the better of Baz [sic].

But then I'm not quite so sure what the connection is to women's football for you wanting more of Milenkovic getting the better of Baz [sic].

The 'someone kindly informed us above' is not really on the same page as you, is he? Bit of an own goal here. I think you might find that 'someone', like me, has an interest in the women's game.

"I watch it to see grown men put a hurting on each other"...

Well I'd argue the "grown men" bit as well as the "hurting" but... other websites are available...

'A testosterone fueled battle of 6'5” grown men and I am baying for blood every weekend'

Do you feel like this when you are sober, SK, or just when you are pissed (half-pissed and half-stoned adds up to pissed)? Do you like dog-fighting or bear-baiting?

You'll be lucky lad, you can count the number of Premier League players over 6'-5" on the fingers of your three hands. And three of them play for the same team.

I could name 12 players who are all 6'5” or taller right now from a quick Google search. The majority of back lines and forwards are over 6 ft.

The Premier League is the land of the giants if you didn't know…. I once met Kurt Zouma who is a paltry 6'-3" and he was a hulking giant! I was personally shocked.

(Whatever the fuck that is... I'm not even going to look it up out of fear.)

Some players, James Vaughan for Instance, possibly had too much keenness, some players had all the skill but were alleged to have too much Birkdale, not enough Kirkdale -- both types faded into relative obscurity... very well paid in one case if I remember correctly.

One decent tackle can turn a game and possibly a season, like Neville vs Ronaldo.

Size and weight have no real bearing, it can help obviously, that's just simple physics. The old saying about the size of fight in the dog being more important than the size of the dog in the fight, still holds up.

There was nobody 'smaller' on a football field than Bobby Collins -- but there was nobody 'bigger' than him.

Until they officially change it to something more akin to 'touch rugby', then long live the individual contests.

First you play and win the 'Fight-Ball'
Then you play and win your 'Foot-Ball'

You gotta fight,
For the right,
To Party.

Out of interest, there was a bear-baiting pit/theatre next door to Shakespeare's Globe Theatre when it opened in 1599 on the bankside.

I wanted to see a battle between them but instead my own player got bossed at home.

Brilliant mate. Can I steal that off you?

Mind you, Brent Stephens lives in Birkdale!

Too much Freshfield and not enough Anfield? Too much Ainsdale.

Might even have a cheeky tenner of one of them. It's a cultural thing in parts of the US I believe and who am I to tell people how to spend their time… one might see Quaill
Hunting, fox hunting or duck shooting in much the same light.

All opinions, I suppose.

I'm not a "big fan"... I just tried to provide as much info as a could on him when we signed him, as one of the few on TW who had actually seen him play.

(I watch Juve and Milan games when I can because Yank internationals are prominent in those sides, and I had seen Barry against both last season.)

I do see possibilities in him. Not buying his shirt yet.

Couldn't agree more and all Moyes needed to say was;

"One goal does not a season make but he's opened the gate."

For me, the jury is as yet, out on Mr Barry, will he both literally and figuratively 'kick out and kick on'?

Apropos of nothing; As to his shoulder, the previous home game (?... or was it Bournemouth??) he fell over his own feet at speed -- which is why I have doubts about his suitability for the super fast Premier League -- near the corner flag and went down heavily on the end of his shoulder, I wouldn't be surprised if he sat the next game or two out.

It wasn't caused by falling on it.

“Some players had all the skill but were alleged to have too much Birkdale, not enough Kirkdale”.

Oi, I heard that. Derek! I'll give you a bit of bleedin' Birkdale!

He was fighting hard and I think he actually won the ball but was sent down. He didn't fall over his own feet.

Birkdale. Urban deprivation. A cruel area and Brent lives on the 14th floor in a building that was set on fire last week. I thought Crosby was hard, but Birkdale is north Toxteth 1981.

I know what I saw, it was a potential broken collar bone in waiting the other week and I think he hurt it again vs Forest.

If he is carrying the shoulder, I'm not a fan of painkiller injections, but this is the Big Boys' League and these things happen.

We'll see on Saturday.

And before you ask, no I don't get free school dinners

As the car sticker said: "Give Blood - Play Hockey"

Bet you the two of them never boast 15 goals between them, however long they are boys in blue!

Maybe that's why Alan Hansen left the area. I believe he lived in a big white house on the edge of the golf course.

I think they are up to 10 now, you know! Unless you mean from now on.

I didn't realise they were so prolific before linking up under Moyes!

As for McNeil, I believe he's finished at this level. Too slow and really doesn't offer much anymore. He could still play, possibly in the Championship or League One but I don't see him with any future in the Premier League, even for a promoted club.

He's been a good servant but as we bring in younger players, it will give us the opportunity to move him on.

I was shocked Moyes brought him in over Dibling considering the scoreline but maybe I shouldn't have been. McNeil was a very good servant for the club but his time is up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEZDYLGJlrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p19ZOlEM0P4

He can keep his family in place for six months whilst he negotiates with Madrid and the Saudis.