“We messed up big time today”: Moyes rues Everton slump in damaging defeat to Sunderland

"we messed up big time today " - been going on for quite some time David and YOU are responsible for a lot !

Tosser and that's being polite. Bye

All down to you and your stubbornness, Mr Moyes.

We leak goals for fun yet will you fuck change the back 4. Your arrogance is astonishing.

Ndiaye should have been hooked after 30 minutes yet you keep him on all game. The tedious sub of Barry for Beto is insulting, yet you continue to do it.

Your treatment of Rohl, Alcaraz and Armstrong to name just 3 is shocking. We can all see what's in front of us, so why can't someone as experienced as you see that???

You've blown a great chance of us competing in Europe next season. I've defended you big time, but no more... I want you gone. There's 2 very good managers up for grabs but there's not a prayer our board will act because they absolutely love mediocrity.

Just as well Spurs are looking like they won't need a positive result next week because they'd walk all over that defence.

"Everton have not had the opportunity to get in the top end of the league table for a while. I'm more disappointed that they have missed that opportunity to keep pushing on. Today showed that we are probably not quite ready."

Three weeks ago it was "Everton haven't had the opportunity to get into Europe for a long time"
Then last week it was "Everton haven't been in the top half of the table at this stage of the season for quite a while now"

Today?
Another lowering of our target for the season.

He gets on my nerves, one depressing man

We can laugh at the r.s all we want...but their owners will sack Slott and hire the right Gaffer next time...as there fucking ruthless and demanding of success from top to bottom!

Whereas our owners will keep Moyes & be more than happy to finish mid table next season too,as they count their money from the new stadium whilst looking after their number one footballing project...ROMA.

Have a fucking wild guess which of the above clubs will be the first to win Silverware in our fair City?

What’s this ‘we’re not ready’, you pick the same team, same formation, and we haven’t won in the last 5 games? You make substitutions in the last 15mins, clueless.

Not ready for the Premier League either!!!!

I think it is time to say thanks and goodbye. We need a dynamic manager who plays on the front foot and wants pace throughout the team. Moyes is a no risk little reward mid table manager and we’ll never move forwards with him at the helm.

You beat me to that comment Gerry.

If we play like this next season we will be in the relegation zone.

The players in this squad do not have the mentality to be winners and sad to say neither does the manager.

At the end of the day we have all been that busy waffling on about a potential European place but it's slipper many folk attention that we have won just 5 games since December 29 when we won 2-0 at Nottingham Forest and the prospects for 2026 looked bright.

Since then it all went downhill starting with a home shelling by Brentford where we totally collapsed, a depressing draw at home to Wolves followed by the dismal FA Cup exit to Sunderland wearing that daft black kit.

A predictable home derby loss to the out of form RS and losses at home to Bournemouth were costly at the time, silly draws and poor home performances against the likes of Leeds who were struggling at that time.

We picked up a few decent away wins here and there like Villa, Newcastle, Fulham but in the main 2026 has been shockingly poor.

I still think the loss of Grealish hit more than many thought it would, his ability to take the pressure off and be intelligent on the ball has been sorely missed.

But that's not the reason for performances like today, we have to put this on Moyes I'm sorry, he picked another starting eleven today that screamed negativity and caution.

I'll say it again, I can't get my head around this central defender at right back, I can't get my head around why he won't even consider Aznou ahead of that one paced shovel foot Mykolenko.

I can't get my head around a 40 million pound prospect in Dibling getting snubbed in place of a fella that Moyes was selling in January, McNeil, another tried and tested failure with zero pace.

What was the point in bring George in on loan, he hardly gets game time, waste of a loan slot.

Fucking typical Everton season, promised much but delivered nowt, much like every season.

Esteve - Burnley.
Mane - Wolves.
Harwood Bellis - Southampton.
Delap - Chelsea.

Plus two right-backs and two midfielders to replace Gana and McNeil.

Moyes deserves another year yes but seeing as there’s a few managers this year available we have to bring forward his departure date nxt year will be too late ?
We have Ireola becoming available also Glasner then there’s Maresca, Frank and maybe one or two more who knows but without doubt now is the time before he gets his feet truly under the table as before !

Terry.
I'd give him 5 years.
In solitary

Trouble is, if they give Moyes money this summer it's not worth giving him players he won't choose himself, that's the gripe I have here if he does get kept on.

I mean it's obvious Dibling and Aznou were not David Moyes signings, I very much doubt Dibling will be here next season if Moyes is manager and I know for certain Aznou won't be.

We will start the season with some big lurch at right back again, probably even O'Brien it wouldn't surprise me, Mykolenko will sit comfortable again at left back, the slowest left back in the league and likely one of the worst going forward, knowing full well that nobody will challenge his place.

You'll still be starting with a knackered Tarkowski or Keane, or both if Branthwaite's fitness fails him again.

If you keep Moyes for another season, he'll sign you a Soucek, maybe one or two others that may well get you 11th but there is no building blocks in place really to move the club forward with any real trajectory.

I don't really have much faith in TFG however to make the right move here.

If this spanner is still manager come August- I'm out. Expect Soucek and some other old twats in before August- Stones? You could give this bloke Man Citys squad- and he'd bugger it up. Yes, he's that ordinary. Just go please and stop blaming players because you are shit yourself. Wouldn't want you next to me in the trenches pal.

It’s not the managers fault that the squad is wafer thin and once you get past the players he his prepared to use, then the rest of them are fucking shite.

We dared to dream, we had a real chance of qualifying for European football, up until the second half today, which makes a change from fighting against relegation, which has been the norm for the last few years until David, came in and steadied the ship.

Talking of ships…. Dip, dip, dip, my blue ship, settling for stability, has got nothing to do with ability, it just shows a complete lack of ambition.

I’m gonna buy a couple of season tickets this week but, if things don’t change, I don’t think the people on the waiting list are going to have to wait as long as they have previously thought, because it’s clear that the natives are getting very restless.

You shouldn't have been able to give a press conference Davey, because you should have been hoarse from screaming at those one paced, lacklustre, pedestrian clowns that you sent out for the most important game of the season.

We were actually lucky to go in at half time with a lead, courtesy of the only player worthy of an appearance bonus today. That should of been a wake up call, but no.

I understand having a good rapport with your players but you need to stop blowing smoke up some of their arses and start reading the riot act a bit more.

Start with this: "Ndiaye, that was one of the worst performances by any Everton player at home this season! On a par with 'pre-January transfer window' McNeil efforts, and he at least has the excuse of not having a fraction of your ability. You are dropped for the Spurs match!".

Everyone is at fault but him! He is not fit for the job. No wonder Freaking West Ham fired him, twice!!!

If this club had an ounce of ambition, they would sack him after the game.

Do not use the royal "We" you mediocre chancer.
Use "I" as in my fault and hold your hands up for once in your average managerial career.

Your piss poor game management and tactics have seen you sacked by every other team you've managed barr us, we deserve better than the shit "you" serve up.

Can we have a Moyes IN or Moyes OUT post and reasons why people think he shouod stay or go and then I can try and fathom what some people see in this failed manager because I just do not get it. People talk about stability. Yes he has kept us where Dyche kept us. What is good about that. Yes he knocked us out the cups early and that always happens, Yes, that's stable but I don't want that sort of stability

I’ve got a sneaky feeling The Friedkin Group might just be ruthless enough to replace him. None of us know how they think, but successful Americans rarely accept the kind of defeatist talk he comes out with on a regular basis.

Of course we’re ready for Europe, and if not, that’s your fault Moyes. The team selections and substitutions (or lack thereof) have been a hindrance all season. He clearly does a lot of good things day-to-day, behind the scenes and in training, but he’s got assembled ‘yes-men’ on his coaching staff rather than anyone willing to challenge him, so ends up picking the same players (often out of position) over and over again.

Have we won a game where Tarkowski and Keane have played together? We look so much better with O’Brien and/or Branthwaite at CB. Patterson didn’t lose a game he started all season and the team looked properly balanced with him in. Aznou, Dibling, Alcaraz, and Röhl have barely played, while N’Diaye looks shattered and has needed resting and rotating.

Moyes is a manager with a 90s mindset who only seems to trust about 12/13 players. Perhaps it’s him who’s not ready for Europe, the rest of the club absolutely is.

A core of Pickford, Branthwaite and O’Brien at the back, with a midfield three of Garner and Dewsbury-Hall behind N’Diaye as a ‘10’ would be an outstanding foundation. We all know that Moyes will never do this. Perhaps we need to get in a coach who will, or who will at least try it.

Good old Jaded Moyes - spreads the blame to all comers as fairly as possible.

Can't ask for much more than 1 point better than last season. Progress & stability.

You lot actually realise that Moyes won't be reading this right? Can you afford your emotions a little reality guys FFS.
We have an average squad with a few players with above average talent that have got us mid table. If I was Moyes I'd probably walk anyway.

Well, first it was as bad a performance by Moyes as it was by the team. He should be sacked for putting Coleman on. We are not a charity, we are Everton.

At 2-1 down, we still could've maybe got a draw and this player at 38 comes on like we had given up on the game.

Remember, we scored 2 goals in 5 minutes against Man City, so why does he bring him on anyway? We won't ever see him again... and hopefully Moyes will be gone. No Everton fan wants him now.

I've read Dyche described on these pages as thecworse manager in our recent history.
He achieved one point less than Moyes has this season.
With a lot less money than Moyes has spent.
Baffling how people can't see this.

It may be that David Moyes is the second worst manager we have had but Dyche is defo top of that particular pile.

Mick @ 24 can you give him a call please

What Moyes did not say is that one of the major reasons "we are probably not quite ready" for European football is because we are managed by a guy who, like a lot of the players, would also be totally out of his depth. The mans' ego knows no limits. Sick to death of listening to his drivel.

Break the bank for the Bournemouth manager, I can't deal with another ten years of obscurity under this fool.

We Moyesy?
We? more like a load of piss.
Oui Moyesy - you Moyesy.

Taxi!

Stuck to his gameplan to the bitter end with is 88th minute sub.

Clown.

“We have an average squad with a few players with above average talent that have got us mid table. If I was Moyes I'd probably walk anyway.”

So what do the likes of Sunderland or West Ham have?

Why would Moyes walk if he currently has an average squad with the opportunity to improve it in the summer?

This guy is taking the piss. Thank you for the last 18 months but please do one now. The moment expectation arrives this fella chokes. Total fraud.
Not ready for Europe? The Conference League has one PL team in it. This means the English club will have far far larger resources and should be huge favorites. Its sickening to think a couple of months ago this was there for the taking.
As a coach Moyes is yesterday's man. Originally during his first stint he was a breath of fresh air and he did make Everton competitive again and made us best of the rest. However it became clear he has a performance ceiling and an unfortunate lack of humility. He was paid incredible wages to lower expectations and became a human shield for his paymaster Blue Bill.
After 11 years without winning anything he defected to United and went with a standing ovation.
Completely and utterly this charlatan was found out when expected to deliver success. Out of his depth in a steller dressing room.
After pain in Spain and relegation on Wearside he found some redemption in East London.
Even after delivering a first trophy since 1980 the natives got sick of his painful football and negativity.
There are currently 2 excellent progressive young coaches available at the end of this season. Either would be a huge upgrade on Moyes' pragmatism.
Please Everton be discisive and bring one of them in. We have built a stadium that is world class we have incredible passionate support we demand the best.
This feels like an unbelievably pivotal opportunity.

I’m the most staunch Moyes supporter but these last few weeks have pushed me over the edge and I agree he must go BUT “be careful what you wish for” definitely rings true here… Many on here wanted Ruben Amorim and Thomas Frank once upon a time 😂 as it turns out Thomas Frank is awful and he was even holding Brentford back too! They have been better since he left!… Ireola is only doing better than us because he has better strikers/forwards who do the business… Does anyone think Ireola would have us challenging for Europe with Beto and Barry?… and yes he would have to play them as I’m sure Moyes is being told to do so by the owners, in the hopes they score a few and keep their values up. (Which they did)… Moyes used to play Cahill up front when our strikers were shit, and he played Bowen up top for west ham when their strikers were shit. I firmly believe Moyes would have put Alcaraz or N’Diaye up top but the owners are telling him to play Laurel and Hardy… Get Eddie Howe in!!!

Sean, you are extrapolating excessively from a very limited sample.

Things you don’t / can’t know:

1) How ‘bad’ Thomas Frank actually is. Has anyone done much better with the current Spurs squad since he left? If not, then you can’t simply pick and choose if it’s the manager or the players when it suits you. Likewise, you don’t have a scooby that he wouldn’t have had a better season with Brentford if he had stuck there.

2) How well Iraeola would do with Beto and Barry or even if he would play them.

3) Moyes is being forced to play those players by the owners.

We’ve had some bad performances recently but today was a performance that really hurt. The team was poor much of the first half and then Röhl showed a bit of class to put us ahead. Perhaps the youngsters CAN be relied on. Then the team came out for the second half and just gave up, had real echoes of our relegation form. The defense has been abysmal of late, along with players that have shone for most of the season. The damage was done long before the third goal went in. I really hope the recruitment team has a good plan for the summer that is achievable so we’re not scrapping around for our 5th best choice in key positions. Arguably need two RBs, a LB, CB and a striker. Our current back four cannot be relied on in the event of a Branthwaite injury.

The last game is a dud now, please please give young lads like Dibling a chance, pointless playing the same old aging players with no future at the club. Btw Anzou must be gash or have a shocking attitude to not get in this 11.

Mick @ 24, more like we have a few decent players but a distinctly below average manager

'If I look back maybe the last four or five games we've played quite well but not really got over the line. There's some poor decisions that have gone against us'.

The most important ones by you Moyes about team selection you blinkered myopic egoist.

Mal (12): that is a depressing list of possible purchases.

Mick (24): You lot actually realise that Moyes won't be reading this right?'

No. Surely not. My eyes have been opened. The clear light is flooding in. Eternal thanks Master Po Springstein from your little grasshopper.

Moyes will be working on his summer transfer list rght now with Angus (Mr Happily Dissatisfied).

Jack Grealish (age 30) - £25 million
Thomas Soucek (age 31) - £15 million
Jared Bowen (age 29) - £45 million
John Stones (age 31) - free
Nathan Ake (age 31) - £20 mllion.

Money spent. £105 million.

Spurs 8pts from 18
WHam 7pts from 18
This is their relegation fightback form...and either one could yet go down

This is our 'win a few games lads and europe he we come - all to play for' form

EFC 3 pts from 18
Three! ffs

As soon as any expectations are raised - off the cliff we went.

Edit; and there's a chance that the clubs answer will be to hire 4 or 5 geriatrics on big wages

I think that we could get Bowen for a knockdown £41 million Steve and Soucek for £12 million.

With respect Steve, I think that you downplay our ambitions. I can see us also being in the mix for Jordan Henderson, Kieran Trippier, and Jamie Vardy.

We are so lucky to have this crack TFG recruitment team who most certainly did not fuck up the last two windows.

Paul#40. It’s different than the shit show we have at the moment.

Everyone showing their expertise and experience in how to manage premier league football.

What a bunch of numpties honestly. All those calling for Moyes head, I wish we had been relegated. You don't deserve this club.

The reason Seamus had to tell everyone what it means to play for Everton is because of the abuse. Remember goodison? The shit I heard coming out of people's mouths was insane, and so I am guessing the new stadium is the same.

Abuse from dogs who think they deserve to win because of history. Like a fucking BNP rally.

Honestly do not have any affinity with this club anymore, the fan base is simply fucking mental

Things have been bleak at Everton for far too long and they will continue to be bleak if Moyes remains.
Why was he hired in the first place? His record is terrible.
The football is awful, his selections are questionable and his mind set is totally wrong.
Sack him now or face more of the same next season.

"The shit I heard coming out of people's mouths was insane, and so I am guessing the new stadium is the same"

Im guessing?

Dean @ 45; somebody definitely got out of the wrong side of the bed today didn't they

So you are quite happy with things the way they are then Dean?

The reptile - Dean Johnson - who calls our match-goers 'dogs' from his armchair does not 'deserve this club' or this site. Post after post in the same ethos from our own little barker.

I know I should ignore him.

"I wish we had been relegated"

That would have learned you fuckers not to fall on your knees in gratitude for the ugly football and enormous 1 point improvement gained after spending a mere 150m

Dean Johnson @, 45,

Insulting your fellow fans is rock bottom. You abuse Evertonians ("numpties") who have paid their money all season to attend Hill Dickinson and support the team.

But then you let it slip the following "the shit I heard coming out of people's mouths was insane, and so I am guessing the new stadium is the same."

You have never bothered attending a match at the next stadium, yet you have the temerity to tell these supporters that "you don't deserve this club."

You are a professional idiot.

Darren 51 - Steve 52 - absolutely spot on.

I try to be positive, not jump on the manager when a lot is down to players being shite, that back 4 yesterday were awful.

However, if you look at the table and see the teams above us, Sunderland, Bournemouth, Brighton & Brentford they are not there with massive budgets, they are not attracting players because they are big clubs in Europe, Watching Sunderland yesterday passing the ball round us was embarrassing, in a must win home game.

These sides all play a more modern game, fluid, tactical, attacking football.

It's not about signing or playinh ageing players or not, xhaka ran that game yesterday, and it was easy for him.

There's players who've served their purpose,
Myko, mcneil, Tarks keane,.
I think now Moyes might have served his too.
Keeping it tight and knicking one is OK, until you have to win, until you have to take the game to opponents and that's when we've come up short time and time again.
OK giving utd or city a game but means fuck all if Brentford & Sunderland play you off the park.

Half the fanbase didn't want Moyes. Only a matter of time now until the rest follow.
Moyes doesn't last next season.
If TFG don't want to waste their money get .

Araolo or Glasner.

Hes gone. Especially when avid supporters like David at 54 realise his capability.

Good post David

We are now a mediocre club with mediocre players and, I am sad to say, a mediocre manager. Apart from BranthwaiteM we haven't got a player who would get in any of the top teams.

I also would like to apologize to Seamus; our intention was to stay and give you the reception you richly deserved but at the final whistle we just decided let's go home.

But when I saw the pictures later on of you walking out for the last time with your wife and children to a virtually empty stadium, I was embarrassed.

Who would have thought that when we all bounced out of Hill DickInson after the Chelsea game, full of optimism, that would be our last victory?

We are now just above Leeds who have been fighting relegation most of the season. There are so many who need clearing out but it won't happen if Moyes is in charge. We will probably start next season with Tarkowski and maybe Keane if Branthwaite hasn't recovered. So more of sitting back and trying to pinch something on the break.

Over the years, I have watched teams get relegated and come back and win trophies, whereas all we do is exist. I said to my sons on the way home, "Seeing I am nearing 80, I doubt I will see Everton win anything in my lifetime".

Our club just is there to try and exist in the Premier League and our fantastic fans deserve better than just existing. So this summer will tell us if we are going to compete for a trophy or just carry on existing.

Brian. They should have done the Coleman walk around before kick off.

The fact Everton had to pay Moyes £5m p/a to come back should have set alarm bells off.
That means NO OTHER contender wanted to come near this poison chalice unless over £5m was put on the table.
Moyes was shit last time round for almost all of his arduous stewardship.
When hammers fans wanted rid, for a second time, despite him giving them a European trophy, alarm bells had broken into pieces.
Those welcoming him back had already settled for mediocre, drab, frustrating football almost guaranteed to get you nothing more than mid table. Better than relegation battles, marginally.
Whilst summer signings were mostly woeful, for the umpteenth decade in a row, the defence Moyes has is (as Tony @ 17) states he began his 2nd stint with next to fuck all in the way of players and a threadbare squad thanks to the shockingly shite incompetence if the previous halfwits.
Where do we go. Its clear, most incoming managers or players are lied to about what acquisitions of quality the club is going to bring in.
Add the bullshitting Kinnear into the mix and the conundrum is complete.
We wont buy well in the Summer. It wont be quick. The world cup will be used as an excuse. Where other professional clubs have already cemented deals for players, we will engage our previous template. Rabbits in the headlight.
TFG wont be arsed. They got what they wanted. Everton can feed Roma's future.
Moyes is going nowhere. Like this club.

When the going gets tough, when results really matter, Jaded Moyes shits the bed.

Always has done, always will do. Cup finals, semi finals, fictitious attempts at top 8 finishes, failure is his MO.

His constant dumbing down of expectations are the refuge of an immature narcissist, who deep down knows he is nothing more than a loser. He lowers them because he knows he could never achieve anything.

There has been no discernible progress and the football is dire. No intensity or intent. The man is still trying to convince us that we have played well this season whilst blaming everyone else (players, refs, recruitment) for the failure.

An average limited manager, with narcissistic tendencies is not what anyone needs. If he stays, the summer will be one long excuse-fest in preparation for another season of "progress".

Dean @45.

The fanbase is mental because weve had 30 years of absolute mediocrity. No trophies, no promotions, we don't do cup runs, we don't do Europe, etc etc.

Basically, we are a pointless football club; we have the odd day when we might -- and I use that word lightly -- beat one of the Top 6, then continue to get embarrassed by the teams in and around us.

We employ dinosaurs like Moyes, Dyche, Allardyce, and Benitez... while the likes of Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, and to a lesser extent Sunderland scour Europe for up and coming young front-foot managers.

I'll be 67 by the time the next season starts and I'm wholly convinced I will never see Everton win another trophy get in Europe or even get in a semi final of one of the cups.

This board and the ones before it are delighted just to carry on regardless -- treading water in the Premier League. It's us long-suffering fools who bear the brunt of our managers and teams being shit.

Keeping Moyes on now is absolutely pointless because there's 2 young managers there up for grabs... But no, we'll be expected to suffer more mediocrity next season.

I'm convinced Iraolo or Glasner would jump at the chance of managing our club.

Moyes out

Matt (35) Great post Matt.

Are you any relation to Jackie and Matt Woods? They lived off Everton Brow.

Jackie moved to Halewood, he was a staunch Everton fan, more importantly a very genuine man.

Some excellent posts summing up our position and our manager perfectly.
Moyes is not to blame for everything, he didn’t inherit a great team/ squad, but he has certainly made the least of what he had.
Failure to vary tactics, always don’t lose before seek win. Talking us down at every opportunity, everything about him is dour and negative. He sets the tone and culture for the club, until it sucks the life out of you, a veritable vampire.
He hasn’t developed this squad one iota, we can’t play with the ball, we obviously don’t train to play modern day football. Players don’t grow and develop, youngsters stagnate, go backwards.
Yes we’ll stay in the PL under Moyes for sure, but that’s the level of it, of him. Miserable football, choking over and over. It makes you sick to the pit of your stomach.

As for our new owners, they’ve stabilised the club, but is this their level of ambition.. to be at the PL party, sat in the corner, never getting up to dance….

Tracing back to the 1950s, which I remember well. The manager, Cliff Britton, took Everton down to the Second Division and brought them back up after 3 years in the doldrums.

As Wikipedia says, on return to the First Division: ‘Britton had to rely heavily on a policy of youth rather than on big money buys'. Is this a template for Everton's future under Moyes?

We won't do better unless the squad is close or on par with the best clubs.

It's up to the players when they get on to the pitch to produce the best they can; problem is, their best is very often not good enough.

We do need a new manager. I think Moyes has had his time, but I think just changing the manager will not be sufficient to make much improvement. It's more top quality players we need.

If your wooden windows are rotten, just changing the dreary curtains doesn't improve them.

Dead wood out. Upgrade to double glazing and silk curtains. Or, if you're Everton, replace the rotten windows with the ones you got rid of previously.

It's now imperative that we appoint an ambitious young manager with a vision who is backed in the transfer market.

Retaining Moyes doesn't bear thinking about. We have been in the wilderness for decades, starting every season without a cat in hell's chance of winning anything, playing low-grade unsophisticated football. It's time to put together a plan.

Sack Moyes now -- he was a terrible appointment.

I've defended Moyes all season but that straw broke the camel's back yesterday.

However Moyes can justifiably claim that with some backing he can get us into Europe next year. Hard to argue against. I expect it will happen.

Dean #45

You wish we were relegated??

Do you really call yourself a fan?

Dave @ 62

Tony Woods is my late father Dave. He grew up in Margret Road and went to St. Francis de Sales school. He played for the County on County Rd in the 60s and my grandfather Joe ran the team. He moved to Ormskirk to have a family which where I grew up.

My father was a fanatical Evertonian and took me to Goodison in 1978 when I was 6 and have been on the Everton gear ever since!

We really need to seize the moment and make a serious move for one of these available coaches.

John 55. I've known his limitations, I've also known his strengths, which he's used to put us looking up rather than down.
I've never said he's the man to lead us titles.
I've always thought he was a step in the right direction.

Ive believed like players, you don't go from dyche relegation fodder, to a CL team in one step, like you don't go from buying relegated teams free transfer CBs to buying quality international players.

I've always said we should have known who we wanted after Moyes, and it was all about the timing, when they come available or willing to take over.

That timing should be now, with glasner & araola free, go for it, pay off Moyes now, it will be cheaper than spending on Moyes players only for fans toget increasingly frustrated and he's gone by Xmas.

A bit of your post the other day john actually help me make my mind up after Sunday, and the last few results.

Why give him money to spend if we know he's not long term, the board should see that the tide has now turned.

Must win matches this season, vital turning points in the season have been lost over and over again, only due to the poor level of the PL this season we were still around European qualification up to now, not because we were anything special.

There are times when I’d have accepted relegation Christy, and I absolutely fucking love Everton.

We haven’t won a trophy for soon to be 32 years, so far from expecting to win because of history, our latest memories are about coach welcomes, to try and help the team avoid relegation, and taking care of the dog, (not dogs) who needed to be passed through the crowd!

When I was a kid growing up you could have used fifty adjectives to describe Everton, and I don’t think many would have used the word “boring” but it’s got to be high on the agenda these days, especially when you watch our team play.

Boring. Fucking boring. Absolutely fucking boring. A shiny new stadium and a manager who is that good, that us numpties don’t deserve him🙈

That last line was the best though Dean, fucking lunatics the lot of us!

I've never want us relegated. But I absolutely would not miss the premier League one little bit. I worked with a Wigan fan and he was happy to get relegated. Hopes they never get to the premier League again. Can't stand it. I sort of agree with him.

Pep leaving. Maybe our master tactician will be in the frame ?

After watching quite a bit of lower league football, I can understand why that Wigan fan, is happy to stay away from the premier league Paul.

But we are Everton, a team that always has and always will, belong in the premier league mate, and at least we would have something real to celebrate, once we came back up!

Seriously, we have needed a reset for years. I thought the new ground was going to do it but not with a dour manager from the past.

The one thing I always admired about Evertonians, when I was a young kid growing up was our absolute defiance. We were going through bad times but we always believed. How many Evertonians, still genuinely believe in our club, nowadays?

The PL is tough.
A good coach is still the key though.
Villa are showing that.

It's as Matt Woods puts it, , time to "seize the moment "
I'd go for glasner, proven trophy winner.

If TFG aren't even speaking to Glasner or Araola we know they are not serious about competing for trophies.

Moyes is #1

No team has given up more late goals affecting results than us. Everyone is probably good at something; Davey's lane is apparently negative game management.

Get this loser out of our club ASAP.

Matt (70) Thanks for your reply.

It looks like you're not related to Jackie and his brothers but it also looks like your family had the same principles and style as my mates.

You've definitely got the same Blue blood as them and you're young enough to see us rise to the top again.

I have been in touch with Pep and asked him, would he be interested in managing Everton.

"You must be joking," was his answer. "The last thing I want is to be slagged off every week by their so-called supporters. I don t need that at my age, I can earn money without that sort of hassle."

John (80),

With friends like you, Moyes will always be happy.

With a manager like Moyes, plenty of us will never be happy.

Moyes is not our future... probably why the owners only gave him 2½-year contract. Now Moyes's problem is the opposite of his 11 years or so last time. Moyes built his reputation around Goodison Park making it hard for all away teams. But first time around, he couldn't win away from home.

At the end of last season, Moyes won about 6 away games after he took over from Dyche... that was amazing for Moyes.

Then we moved into the Hill Dickinson Stadium, which is an amazing stadium, and Moyes has not got it right here. Only 6 wins and 4 draws... 22 points. Whereas away from home he amazingly won 7 drew 6 which is big for Moyes.

If you look back to the 3-0 win against Chelsea and write the team down that finished that game, you would be shocked how defensive it was... but not shocked because we all know Moyes.

This man has always been limited on the front foot. The thing now is there are ~50,000 now in the ground with higher expectations and paying higher prices, so it's stick or twist time.

I thought I'd seen some shocking displays at Hill Dickinson Stadium this season... and I have: Bournemouth, Brentford, Wolves, Spurs, Leeds etc... But that on Sunday took the biscuit, that was far far worse than the derby defeat.

That display (and I only watched on telly) sucked the life out of me. Players who quite frankly really didn't care what the result was, players going through the motions whose body language screamed, " God, please end the season now!"

30 odd years of abject fucking misery, with one cup final in all that time... A couple of cup runs under Martinez and a couple of sojourns into Europe is all we've had to show for our loyalty.

I cant take much more of this tedious pedestrian turgid shite that crops up every other week at Hill Dickinson Stadium.

When is this club ever going to get it right? My biggest fear is if he's given a war chest, it'll be yard dogs like Stones, Soucek, Trippier or Kyle Walker with a couple of young bench fillers because we all know, like the 4 I've mentioned, Davey likes a bit of Premier League experience.

God help us.

So-called supporters? You mean the best supporters about.

And let me tell you if Pep went a couple of seasons without winning a trophy, them Man City fans would be moaning.

That was the same team that has put up some very decent performances lately, but overall the players are moderate with a few exceptions. We are not good enough to be sure of getting a result against anyone, let alone a decent Sunderland team.

Leaving the manager debate aside, we are going to have to spend multi-millions to make us a serious side. The price of players has gone crazy and we need at least 5 better class players.

I remember when Trevor Francis was sold for £1M, everyone thought that was barmy.

Paul H.

Best supporters around?

Went down to renew yesterday. Talking to the lad behind counter on anyone been on about not renewing?

"A few have mate, but we have a 5-year season ticket waiting list."

John Williams 80

As you call them, so-called supporters kept this club in the Premier League on numerous occasions.

There are many things you can criticize this club for but not the supporters. We always take our full away allocation, whether that's a Monday night game in London or the North-East. Their support has been nothing short of brilliant.

Also our fantastic 1878 Group who have been responsible for the coach greetings as well as the display of flags at many a home game. I suggest you retract your post.

John @80,

Do you attend home games?

Everton have 38,000 season ticket holders. Liverpool have 34,000.

Both happy to reduce it seems and sell at a premium via Seat Unique, to tourists, one-off visitors, who spend on merchandise etc.

John @ 86, And I'm on that list.

And as angry and gutted as I was yesterday about that game and other recent results and performances, I keep my fingers crossed that I will get my chance before I go up to the spirit in the sky.

John #80
I guess you don't understand the meaning of supporter. Everton have with out a doubt the finest supporters in the country. They have all seen when other clubs have a drop in form so becomes a drop in support. The support Everton football club receives especially at away games is only matched occasionally by teams if they are on a winning run.
There are at times to be critical of Everton F.C. but never question their supporters.

David (64) David I’ve said a few times on here that Cliff Britton took Everton down and brought us back up with entirely the same squad who we went down with, not one single player was brought in during those 3 years in the 2nd. division although some young players, already on the books were used occasional like George Cummins and Alex Farrell. I think we finished around 7th. from bottom in one of those three seasons.

What absolute joy that night in Oldham when we came back up—- oh and especially for Peter Mills it took Liverpool 8 lovely and long years to get back up!

@ 80, another one who never attends the games but feels qualfied to look down on supporters who do.

There are a few on here.

Mark 90.

I hope you get one, mate.

A massive club, Everton, in all but the football department. A sleeping giant, watch what happens if we ever wake up.

So you're only a true supporter if you lap up this tugid defensive cowardly football, mid-table finishes at best, knocked out of cups early, happy clapping bullshit cos we aren't in a relegation fight?

Nah, fuck that. The Everton I want to watch tries to win every game. We've won nothing for 31 years and some fans are happy we aren't in a relegation fight? Well, sorry... not for me.

I see absolutely no improvement from last season and the stats prove it: a negative goal difference and a similar points tally after spending £111M.

Crystal Palace are about to contend another final after winning the FA Cup last season; we are one of the only fan bases who have had nothing to celebrate over the last 30 years bar survival.

Well, you can shove that as far as it will go. I'd take a cup win over any league position. If all we have become as a club is to just stay in the Premier League, we might as well pack it in.

There is nothing better than seeing your team win a trophy.

Mick, I think there are people out there who would really rather be mid table and mediocre because they genuinely worry that being successful makes us too much like the other lot.

91, 93,
I have been a supporter since the 1950s, season ticket holder, first in the Park End, then the New Goodison Road when it opened in the 1960s.
Watched the league winners in the 60s and 70s. Went to both Wembley visits in 66 and 68.
Admired the 80s winning side and went to Wembley (my last visit there)
I am still a season ticket holder and was there on Sunday and stayed behind to see Seamus and his family.
I can tell you, as supporters many of you have a lot to be desired, compared to Everton supporters of the past, I will leave it at that.

Good service to the club John.
You surely must know we are better than that though mate.

Just read the article again, really curious with the Moyes statement " we messed up!" Surely if he had any awareness or self-reflection he should have said " I messed up, and I was too cautious once we hit 40 points !" That would have garned Moyes some credibility with ths supporters. I am still boiling like a kettle with 3 points out of the last 18.

That seems strange these days John @98. "Service to the club". Whilst when younger, I would have understood it, now I find it hard to get my head around.

A business owned by people from far away employing some obscenely overpaid primadonnas to jog around for 90 minutes as many folk struggle to pay for a seat to watch them.

The relationship should have changed to service by the club to the fans but that is an alien concept.

Our club? No. Just for some of us over a certain age, just our memories.

Sad really.

When I first started going to Goodison, it was quite common for a bad performance, to be met with disgruntled supporters throwing cushions onto the pitch at the final whistle, John.

It was different then because the fans demanded better, but because I was only a very small child, I might have read that bit wrong?

I think in those days managers got four years at the most, and if they hadn’t delivered success, they were deemed not to be good enough and now we have people who think David Moyes, is the answer.

He might be the answer for the people who want stability, but think about the thirty year old’s, who have been going to watch Everton, for over a quarter of a century, and have seen us win the sum total of Zero, and still turn up to watch their team play every single week.

I’m lucky, I’ve seen Everton win the league twice, but you’re even luckier because you have seen us win it with two different managers, on four separate occasions. My view is that Moyes, isn’t good enough for the Everton, I desire John, and if that leaves me looking like I have got a lot to be desired, then I just hope there are still a lot of Evertonians, like me🤞

Of all the things wrong with Everton, the fanbase is not one them.

I remember the flying cushions too.

John #98
Do not understand why you flagged my comments on 91. My comments are complimentary to Everton supporters, and may I add I have supported Everton ever since representing my school we played a final and changed in the home team dressing room in 1952 at Goodison Park. I may now live in Canada but I wish I had the money that I spent going back to Liverpool to watch Everton. Last there was a Goodison Park to see Everton v Liverpool that we won 2.0 D.C.L. scored the second goal in the Gladys Street goal.

Dave (92) I remember that night in Oldham as if it were yesterday. I was there with my brother and was it a special night! The Everton fans were in full voice as usual. Never to be forgotten.

His handling of Dibling has been appalling - with Grealish injured he should have been contending for a starting spot. Instead he saw George brought in on loan ahead of him (who also only gets ten minutes to make an impact) while our wonderkid doesn’t even get a sniff.

Yes we don’t see them train or know what happens behind the scenes; but I do know he isn’t going to improve sat on the bench.

We’ve looked good at times this season, and other times rode our luck! But FFS use your squad, you miserable lemon.

I just don't think we can compare eras Tony. We were the Chelsea of our day, the Mersey Millionaires, but we are now the Coventry City of that era, always there, doing very little except flirt with relegation. We can't just as Coventry demand that the players get us Europe on pain of throwing our dummies out. We aren't good enough. We've been playing with that defence all year, you could be managed by Pep Guardiola and that team still isn't going to win anything. I'm not saying we'll be Coventry for ever, but that's who we are at the moment. We can't just put our foot down and expect to shoot up the league. We aren't the sort of club that can just knock other clubs like Brighton and Bournemouth out of the way. they've got much better players these days, and it's going to take time to get our squad good again,

"We've been playing with that defence all year"

Are you not happy with the back four Kevin.
If you're not, who was it that repeatedly selected them?

you can only select who's in the squad John.

Would you have picked the same back four repeatedly Kevin.
Your previous post suggests not?

yes I'd have picked them. My point is a Keane Tarkowski backline is nobody's idea of a good combo, but it's where we are at the moment. Moyes was never able to wave a magic wand and make everything 1985 again. We have to understand where we currently figure in the pyramid. This is just a statement of the obvious. if we sold our backline, how much would we get ? bugger all. That's not Moyes's fault. That's a decade of underachievement.

The problem is simple: the chances Moyes has had to put Branthwaite and O’Brien together he has ignored because he put all his eggs into one basket with O’Brien at right-back.

So, now we have given Tarkowski a 2-year contract, he will probably make him captain when really he should be shown the door… but now it’s too late.

Keane gets another year, even though I think he knows he probably wont play much next season.

Then the fun will start: he will probably go for Stones or Ake because Branthwaite is unreliable.

Lets not give Jaded Moyes any further opportunity to underachieve. He has a doctorate in it.

Maybe the teams just tired, hence the late goals. Maybe the players he hasn't really used have good reasons not to have been used - Dyche didn't rate O'brien. Lampard played Tarkowski. Several managers haven't rated Patterson. Dibling did nothing at Chelsea and got homesick, etc.

Throw in 3 clear penalties denied us by VAR and we could and should have finished around 5th/6th. Under-achieving by what measurement? The previous managers? Our spending comparative to other teams? Or people still clinging to their mid 1980's fantasies?

Not really bothered whether Moyes is here next season but it makes me laugh that people equate not having Moyes as manager with success and achievement when we've just had roughly 12 years without him and did nothing. Never even looked like we would.

I just don't see TFG getting Moyes out until it goes entirely tit's up, and that's been our problem for too long.
Wait till it's shit then see who's available...

Wouldn't it be great if now Moyes came out and said, I've done what I came to do, steadied the ship, put us in a place were a new guy can go forward and try and build something, forcing TFG into a decision.
Won't happen.

Tfg will want small investment with small improvements, These owners will not throw big money at something that has no guarantee. Last summer 100 odd million was to save PL football, what will another 100m get them ?? 10th ? 9th ?
They will probably throw 50m at us to tread water!

Well 100m is fuck all to compete !

I see fans getting pissed off with them pretty quickly they don't show ambition.

Different era, different fans, Kevin?

Some fans are getting slagged (admittedly only off a couple of posters) because the way we allegedly carry on leaves a lot to be desired, so I was just pointing out what people were doing inside Goodison Park 50 years ago after witnessing a poor display.

Moyes actually might have done a lot better in the game 50 years ago because you could only use one sub in that era. But it's different now because it's a squad game, and this is something that our manager has never really grasped.

It used to be said that David Moyes never had a big squad because Bill Kenwright was skint, but my own view is this has always suited Moyes's narrative.

Seriously though, why is it that the people who defend Moyes bring up the mid-eighties?

Grant @ 114, we have won absolutely fuck all with Moyes as manager and never will.

How do you consider winning one more point than Dyche achieved in his last season as improvement after a £115 million spend?

Never mind the penalties not awarded, maybe we would have achieved a 5th/6th place finish if Moyes had tried rotating the squad. Instead of running the same players into the ground.

Out final position this season is what Moyes equates to a successful season.

Forget about a knife to a gunfight - our manager brings a cup of tea to his pre match press conferences! That drives me to distraction because, for one thing, to me it is an indicator of how comfortable he feels about his position.

My second concern is that our owners TFG and happily dissatisfied CEO, haven’t pulled him up about this or deemed it necessary to tell him to smarten his act up. To say the least it is not a good look.

Grant (114),

It's good that you are not bothered whether Moyes is here or not next season but surely you are bothered about the quality of football Everton produce and what you are paying to see.

I think you will get much of the same from Moyes that you saw this season.

As someone who was cold about Moyes coming back but at the time he was the only experienced manager available who would take the job so I accepted it as a good business decision considering we were hovering above relegation and devoid of confidence from a manager who accepted that he could do no more. I was however surprised that it was a 2.5year contract and not 18month which I would have thought more practical.
Besides the never Moysers (MK et al) he did a very good job for the rest of the season. This season did show some promise but our home form has been diabolical despite that we got to the levels where we even hoped at one stage of sneaking in to a CL spot only to be disappointed again. Why, I ask myself.
My reasoning is as follows.
1. We have a limited squad of footballers, good workhorses but limited in football creativity.
2. Moyes recognises this so he does start from a safety first perspective. After all we are the 6th meanest defence in the PL with only 49 goals conceded. Worse still, these conceded goals can be divided into 3 categories IMO, worldies like Doku, failure of our entire defence including JP to deal with crosses e.g Spurs Arsenal, and finally pressing too high with the defenders we have available, losing the ball and being caught in the counter by Utd, Wolves. Brentford to name but a few.
3. No creativity in midfield, Garner, KDH, Gana, Tim, all work hard but do they control the game like, for example Xhaka does for Sunderland. I deliberately avoid the like of Rice etc as they are currently outside our budget.
4. Forwards of limited ability but also living off scraps because the through ball is too slow or not accurate enough to give them the best chance. Yes we could have better forwards but again we are looking for scapegoats when they don't take their chances. Even Haaland misses chances.

So now we are looking to get rid of Moyes and believe that Iraola or Glasner will win us trophies that so many point out that Moyes never won (with us). Not long ago it Frank was flavour of the month and he got over 200m to improve Spurs and we see how that worked out. The most important question is would Iraola or Glasner get more out of our existing squad. Many on here seem certain but I really don't know. Once thing they would do is make more substitutions but that doesnt always work out as in the Arsenal and City games.
For me the root cause of our problems is not simply the manager but the recruitment in the club over tha past 10years. Unlike Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, Wolves to name but a few, how many players have we recruited in that time have been poached by bigger clubs. Yet the above named clubs continually lose top quality recruitments and are able to replace them seamlessly. Their managers look good because the players at their disposal are good footballers. For me that is the root cause of our problems. A manager can only work with the resources available to him and they have better resources than us whether we like to admit it or not.
Yes it is time for a change, but this squad needs serious rebuilding if it is to compete at the top level never mind winning trophies. Wishing wont win anything but the foundations need to be laid to start building a side and that wont happen in a day. Ferguson took four years to win his first.
I don't have any preference for who should replace Moyes and I do believe that TFG certainly should be planning for that change now. The key question here is what have the current TW favourites win with better squads. Choosing a new manager should be be based on a defined football philosophy and appoint them over a long term contract with clear committment to back the manager to build a squad. City took a number of years to achieve their goals

John @ 97, interesting.

As a fellow season ticket holder and life-long Evertonian, I think the acceptance of mediocrity and trigger-finger apologism for failure among a small section of our fans is also unacceptable.

For you in particular, I find your posts towards fellow Blues who don’t agree with you sneering and condescending - “their so-called supporters.” Who are you to decide what constitutes being real Everton supporter?

The effrontery of it.

Neil,

" Moyes recognises this so he does start from a safety first perspective"

Moyes would start from a safety first perspective if he had a forward line of Haaland, Mbappe and Harry Kane.

John
And you know that How?.
If you read the piece, the Moyes strategy from what I can see is his perception on the vulnerability in being caught out in defence and nothing to do with the forward quality.

John @97. Suppose 40 odd thousand would have stayed behind last Sunday. What message would that have conveyed to the club ? How about, “ look at these idiots, we turn out a super shit show like that and they still stay behind. They’ll accept any old crap, theses supporters “.

Neil # 121 - I agree with everything you said. To put it in a nutshell our current manager needs to be replaced with one who goes out to win every game and most importantly, be backed in the transfer market with the type of players he needs.

That is what is required and as you said at the end of your post they should be planning it now.

The question is do TFG have the ambition or appetite for it or will they be quite happy to chug along raking in £136 million for a twelfth place finish for another 3 or 4 seasons then sell us at a handsome profit.

If the latter it needs to be TFG out and replaced with someone with the level of ambition Usmanov had.

NO excuses, David Moyes has the final say on who joins his team that is the one thing he insists on at every club. His players, his tactics, his decisions, his responsibility.

In summer he bought Dibling (£42M), Barry(£15M+), Anzou (£15M) and committed to buy Rohl (£17M in summer 2026) and until recently most of them have not been given a chance. 10 or 15 minutes at the end of a game is not a chance it is a 'get out of jail' excuse to Moyes's bosses.

Looking at our squad which premiership team would not leap at the chance to buy Ndiaye, Garner, Branthwaite, Pickford or Dewsbury-Hall.

Likewise many premiership teams would at a low price, below £10M would buy Mykolenko, Beto, Armstrong, McNeil, Patterson (who might be in the World Cup but cannot get a game for us), Iroegbunam, O'Brien, Rohl or Dibling,

Some teams would sign Tarks, Gueye or Alcaraz on a free.
One might sign Keane but not on a £100k p/w maybe £40K. Yet he has been given another contract for £5M. WHY

Moyes's mentality is championship level, buy one player who can play ok in multiply positions.
Man Utd's interim manager (signed Jan 2026), Carrick, his mentality is to play players brilliantly in the one position they were signed for eg attackers in attack and centre half's in centre half positions (O'Brien).
Carrick has taken Man Utd from the lower half to 3rd place with almost the same team as he inherited
Moyes has only 1 of his 2025 signed players in the top 5 desirable players and the rest would lose money if sold in the summer.

I would not be surprised to see Dibling playing in the last game of the season after a 'long mentored season training session by Moyes' to make him premiership level. That would be Moyes's excuse for not playing him.

I would like to be at the meeting of Moyes and the owners at the end of this season.
Questions from them, we spent or committed £120M and it looks like we wasted £72M on purchases, £12M+ on wages on new players who have played less than 100 Minutes each and you have dropped over 4 league places in the last 4 games losing £10M+ in winning. Now you want another £50M+ for transfers.

You have sign a new contract for Keane how far does he run in a game? how many telling passes has he made this year. How many goals has he cost us?

Why did the players play so lethargically against Sunderland ? Answer Moyes's tactics, selections and new signings.
How many players who run their hearts out for this club on a lower or similar wage to Keane who watch him get selected week after week for what performance?

Keane got Gueye sent off. Gueye had just run his heart won the ball and Keane did not even get into a run when Gueye passed to him and if you looked at what he said in that game he basically called Keane a lazy

Giving Moyes a new contract is a real gamble if he stays for another year do not be surprised if Ndiaye, Garner, Dewsbury-Hall, Dibling and Rohl all request transfers.

The final straw is Moyes putting us out of both cup competitions early, only for us to BLOW Europe and look very tired in the last 4-5 games. I thought the point of going out the cups was to focus on the league and be less tired for the run in??? Crystal Palace have played around 27 games more than us this season and they looked fitter than us!! And they’ve won a cup and the community shield to boot, and they are in a European cup final very soon!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE. WE ARE BEING SOLD UP THE SUWANEE