18/05/2026
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That’s it. Season over.
At one stage early in the second half on Sunday, Everton were eighth, above Brentford and well in the European fight. By full-time, they were 11th, having slumped to a humbling 3-1 defeat to Sunderland. By the close of Sunday’s play, the Toffees sat 12th. Terrible.
Here’s what we learned from a really, really grim day at Hill Dickinson Stadium.
IT FEELS LIKE A TURNING POINT
I have stuck by David Moyes this season. I have seen there has been some progress, and I feel he has done a good job over the course of his second stint so far — 80 points from 56 games is reasonable, if not exceptional, and equates to a lower, top-half team.
But there is no excuse for Sunday’s effort and, in all honesty, it feels as though it may have been a turning point. Think when Everton fell to that 3-2 defeat to West Ham under Roberto Martinez in 2016, or when Marco Silva’s Everton lost to Norwich City in 2019.
Now, perhaps the picture is not quite as bleak, but this is the type of result and performance which sees fans who had been resolutely standing by the coaching staff begin to waver, and those who were on the fence, probably begin to stray more towards the negative viewpoint.
Moyes did himself absolutely no favours. He stuck with the tried, tested and failing defence, and was made to pay for it. He instilled no fresh legs into the attack, and was rewarded by another terrible performance from Iliman Ndiaye. Beto toiled up top on his own, then exactly the same happened to Thierno Barry.
The Scot has done good, but he isn’t going to change — he can’t get out of his own way.
Will TFG change it? Well, going off Angus Kinnear’s programme notes, it seems highly unlikely. Perhaps the CEO should reconsider whether he wants to be quite as effusive in his praise of a manager, next time, and begin to realise he is now in charge of one of England’s biggest clubs, and expectations must be higher.
Moyes has helped raise the bar, but if he cannot meet those standards himself, then it is time to think about a change.
FANS NEED TO STOP FINDING EXCUSES FOR PLAYERS
This is not me alleviating Moyes of blame. Far from it. But while he should be criticised for his mistakes, we also should not then stretch to find excuses for some of these players.
Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall is bang out of form, but still he tries to be involved, he tries to make things happen. He created a team-leading three chances, and while he is not at his best, he is always in the action. The same can be said of James Garner, who is always trying to set the tone.
But other players are letting themselves, the manager, and the fans down.
Jake O’Brien was abysmal. And while he absolutely should not be playing at right-back, that is no excuse for his woeful error that resulted in Brian Brobbey going through to equalise.
And even then, James Tarkowski was simply bullied by Brobbey, just as he was bullied last week by Jean-Philippe Mateta.
Going the other way, Ndiaye turned in his worst performance in an Everton shirt. It’s fine to miss chances, that happens — while it’s frustrating, players come in and out of scoring form. But the complete lack of pressure and effort and fight from him is not something we are accustomed to seeing.
Ndiaye was pathetically poor when it came to defending against Enzo Le Fee for Sunderland’s second goal, even if Jordan Pickford should have done better, but the worse moment came when it was 1-0 to Everton. Ndiaye had Beto in acres of his space to his left, with the chance to put the game to bed. Instead, he completely skewed his pass straight to Sunderland’s goalkeeper.
He is clearly tired, clearly feeling the strain of a long season, and Moyes’ refusal to take him off does not help at all. But that is not an excuse.
These players needed to step up, and they haven’t done so. Too many of them have proved that they are simply mid-table, and as much as Moyes will take the blame, and he should, this squad needs vast improvement.
EVERTON FAILED COLEMAN
Seamus Coleman’s send off should have come off the back of a positive result and display, and in front of a full house.
Instead, he was given a sentimental couple of minutes (there’s a case to say he’d have been better off starting or simply not playing at all), during which he ended up being partly at fault for Sunderland’s third goal.
To make matters worse, the 17-year servant of the club, who deserved so much better, then had to do a lap of honour in front of a half-empty ground.
I am not blaming any fan who left, but it just sums Everton up. Something needs to change significantly at this club, because Coleman was worthy of so much more.
Moyes, Kinnear and TFG — take note. Oh, and make sure Coleman gets a testimonial where his send-off won’t be impacted by abject performances from his team-mates and manager.
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Paul Hewitt
2 Posted 18/05/2026 at 09:45:09
2 Posted 18/05/2026 at 09:45:09
Moyes needs to go.
John Pickles
3 Posted 18/05/2026 at 09:47:33
3 Posted 18/05/2026 at 09:47:33
I agree with everything you said about the players, in fact you could go further.
Pickford has been immense for us again this season as a shot-stopper. I say has, because for the last 2 home games he looks like he could let anything in, Sunderland's second was proof of that.
His command of the 6 yard box though, is non-existent. Every ball sent in from a corner or free-kick looks like a goal waiting to happen. He made, I think, his only save yesterday, off a chance caused by one of his weak punched clearances. If we have a goalkeeping coach, he needs sacking.
Do we have two Betos? Identical twins maybe? One wins duels, battles for everything and can score with feet and head. His twin played yesterday, he can't do any of those things.
Pickford has been immense for us again this season as a shot-stopper. I say has, because for the last 2 home games he looks like he could let anything in, Sunderland's second was proof of that.
His command of the 6 yard box though, is non-existent. Every ball sent in from a corner or free-kick looks like a goal waiting to happen. He made, I think, his only save yesterday, off a chance caused by one of his weak punched clearances. If we have a goalkeeping coach, he needs sacking.
Do we have two Betos? Identical twins maybe? One wins duels, battles for everything and can score with feet and head. His twin played yesterday, he can't do any of those things.
David West
4 Posted 18/05/2026 at 09:49:28
4 Posted 18/05/2026 at 09:49:28
I too Patric think yesterday and these last few weeks will have swayed many like myself, who thought Moyes was making progress, which is debatable considering the poor standard of the PL this year.
Players make mistakes that's football, shite players make them alot, we have alot of shite players, playing more often than they should.
Managers mistakes are different, they are thought out, calculated and deliberate.
Players at his disposal is a defence for Moyes, but his style won't change, so do we get better players playing better shite football in the summer, or do we now need a new approach from a new manager?
I've been swayed in these last few weeks !
Players make mistakes that's football, shite players make them alot, we have alot of shite players, playing more often than they should.
Managers mistakes are different, they are thought out, calculated and deliberate.
Players at his disposal is a defence for Moyes, but his style won't change, so do we get better players playing better shite football in the summer, or do we now need a new approach from a new manager?
I've been swayed in these last few weeks !
Andrew Ellams
5 Posted 18/05/2026 at 09:52:27
5 Posted 18/05/2026 at 09:52:27
If those players are tired after a 41 game season then there are much deeper issues than management and coaching during matches. The training programmes obviously need some investigating too.
Midweek games have been few and far between and lets face it, our squad doesn't get as many minutes on international duties as some either. 3 at most will be starters at the World Cup and 1 of those is a goalkeeper.
Midweek games have been few and far between and lets face it, our squad doesn't get as many minutes on international duties as some either. 3 at most will be starters at the World Cup and 1 of those is a goalkeeper.
Mark Ryan
6 Posted 18/05/2026 at 09:57:48
6 Posted 18/05/2026 at 09:57:48
Moyes needs to be sacked because he won't walk. Sack him ASAP. A dreadful season all told. No progress. We still don't know if there is a top player in Dibling because he wouldn't play him. Is Aznou any good? we don't know because he wouldn't play him. Merlin wasnt played enough and yet why, he looks like a real prospect. Moyes needs to go and that's my last on this subject. I'm wasting energy repeating myself. Moyes out
Mike Doyle
7 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:02:55
7 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:02:55
Agree totally Anthony. Most teams seem to have recognised the importance of rotation and use of substitutes.
I don't believe our players are not fit but in recent games several look to be suffering fatigue. As others have pointed out, Moyes relies on his hard core group of favourites with most substitutions being made too late for any to influence a game.
This approach has already caught up with Garner and KDH while Gana and Ndiaye haven't looked the same since Afcon. Since both will also be involved in the World Cup this summer I expect both to return knackered for the start of next season (older posters will remember the same observations being made about the Everton players inc Alan Ball who went to the 1970 world cup and didn't perform the next season).
We all knew going into this game that a defence that included Tarky and Keane was likely to concede 2 goals (as they have in every game since Jarrad's injury) so why Moyes and his staff didn't make changes remains a mystery.
That we conceded late in the game (again) was inevitable as our main players fade and our super-slow defenders struggle against pace.
I don't believe our players are not fit but in recent games several look to be suffering fatigue. As others have pointed out, Moyes relies on his hard core group of favourites with most substitutions being made too late for any to influence a game.
This approach has already caught up with Garner and KDH while Gana and Ndiaye haven't looked the same since Afcon. Since both will also be involved in the World Cup this summer I expect both to return knackered for the start of next season (older posters will remember the same observations being made about the Everton players inc Alan Ball who went to the 1970 world cup and didn't perform the next season).
We all knew going into this game that a defence that included Tarky and Keane was likely to concede 2 goals (as they have in every game since Jarrad's injury) so why Moyes and his staff didn't make changes remains a mystery.
That we conceded late in the game (again) was inevitable as our main players fade and our super-slow defenders struggle against pace.
Darren Hind
8 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:10:04
8 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:10:04
Anthony @1
Get paid
Get paid
Sean O\\\'Hanlon
9 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:10:50
9 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:10:50
Sunderland were the better team. Less mistakes, more desire to win, and a manager that puts Moyes to shame. If we fail to get anything from Spurs next Sunday, Moyes's biggest achievement of the season is getting 1 more point than Dyche with 49.
Agree with comments about Pickford, Moyes's refusal to change the back 4, playing Jake O'Brien out of position, and too many errors by our so-called better players.
I want Moyes out ASAP. Not making Europe is a disaster! No decent cup runs -- Sunderland knocking us out of the FA Cup -- oh, but we did take a point off them this season!!!!
A great stadium should have a great team. We'll never have that with Moyes. My heart goes out to our long-suffering fans, who yet again face continual shame and humiliation.
Agree with comments about Pickford, Moyes's refusal to change the back 4, playing Jake O'Brien out of position, and too many errors by our so-called better players.
I want Moyes out ASAP. Not making Europe is a disaster! No decent cup runs -- Sunderland knocking us out of the FA Cup -- oh, but we did take a point off them this season!!!!
A great stadium should have a great team. We'll never have that with Moyes. My heart goes out to our long-suffering fans, who yet again face continual shame and humiliation.
John Williams
10 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:16:56
10 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:16:56
What did we have on the bench yesterday, that could have changed the game, nothing. We are well short of quality players.
Yesterday, did any of our players deserve more than a rating of 1 -- and that score was just for turning up. From goalkeeper to number 9, we were poor and to be honest, Sunderland were no great shakes. Did they have a shot on target in the first 60 minutes?
Two poor teams on yesterday's showing. Clearly many of these players had booked a summer holiday and were thinking of lying on a beach.
Yesterday, did any of our players deserve more than a rating of 1 -- and that score was just for turning up. From goalkeeper to number 9, we were poor and to be honest, Sunderland were no great shakes. Did they have a shot on target in the first 60 minutes?
Two poor teams on yesterday's showing. Clearly many of these players had booked a summer holiday and were thinking of lying on a beach.
Darren Hind
11 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:21:46
11 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:21:46
Anthony @1
Get paid
Get paid
Jim Bennings
12 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:26:13
12 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:26:13
TFG need a massive summer, monumental one.
We can't be harbouring all this false hope that three months of summer and a few half baked friendlies somewhere in America or against Rochdale will all of a sudden turn certain players into Lionel Messi.
Can't be sitting here with sentiment thinking you can seriously go again with that back four and pretend Branthwaite doesn't break down frequently with injury.
Cant pretend we are not one of the slowest sides in the league by a country mile.
They need to pull off a huge summer and make a quick fire decision on Moyes one way or the other.
We can't be harbouring all this false hope that three months of summer and a few half baked friendlies somewhere in America or against Rochdale will all of a sudden turn certain players into Lionel Messi.
Can't be sitting here with sentiment thinking you can seriously go again with that back four and pretend Branthwaite doesn't break down frequently with injury.
Cant pretend we are not one of the slowest sides in the league by a country mile.
They need to pull off a huge summer and make a quick fire decision on Moyes one way or the other.
Chris Leyland
13 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:39:55
13 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:39:55
The only communication I want to see from the club when this season ends is not news that Coleman is normally in charge of collecting the cones after training.
Nor from Tarkowski saying that the players will learn and move forward or from the master of expectation management himself -- Moyes talking about how we were in the race for Europe until the final weeks. No, it's a short statement as follows:
David Moyes has left the club with immediate effect. An announcement on his successor will be made in the coming days.
Nor from Tarkowski saying that the players will learn and move forward or from the master of expectation management himself -- Moyes talking about how we were in the race for Europe until the final weeks. No, it's a short statement as follows:
David Moyes has left the club with immediate effect. An announcement on his successor will be made in the coming days.
John Collins
14 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:40:49
14 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:40:49
"What did we have on the bench yesterday, that could have changed the game, nothing."
Who spent £100 million plus to put that nothing on the bench John?
Who spent £100 million plus to put that nothing on the bench John?
Mike Powell
15 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:51:48
15 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:51:48
What we have learnt is most of them players are just not good enough,
Tarky, O'Brien, Tim, Myko, Barry, Alcaraz, McNeil,just not good enough, add to that Gana and Coleman are past there sell by date,there is nine players at least who needs replacing,Do we think it will happen for we fuck
Tarky, O'Brien, Tim, Myko, Barry, Alcaraz, McNeil,just not good enough, add to that Gana and Coleman are past there sell by date,there is nine players at least who needs replacing,Do we think it will happen for we fuck
Jim Bennings
16 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:54:41
16 Posted 18/05/2026 at 10:54:41
One for the record books I suppose, but can anyone remember the last time that our final win of the season was in March?
We've always won the odd game in April or May as long as my memory stretches back. I can never ever remember Everton not winning at least one more game after March.
We've always won the odd game in April or May as long as my memory stretches back. I can never ever remember Everton not winning at least one more game after March.
Tony Heron
17 Posted 18/05/2026 at 11:40:09
17 Posted 18/05/2026 at 11:40:09
I can remember as a teenager and a regular at Goodison in the '60s that a home loss was a rarity. Now, it seems we lose more than we win.
I also remember being at a cup game against Coventry which of course we won, as back then we were considered a Top 6 team, part of the elite. I felt sorry for the Coventry fans and wondered how they could support a team that never wins anything.
I could never have imagined then that one day we would be in that position, and have fans who would think finishing mid-table would be success, and have a manager who thought a draw was an achievement.
Sad times.
I also remember being at a cup game against Coventry which of course we won, as back then we were considered a Top 6 team, part of the elite. I felt sorry for the Coventry fans and wondered how they could support a team that never wins anything.
I could never have imagined then that one day we would be in that position, and have fans who would think finishing mid-table would be success, and have a manager who thought a draw was an achievement.
Sad times.
Kunal Desai
18 Posted 18/05/2026 at 11:59:25
18 Posted 18/05/2026 at 11:59:25
No one has touched upon a cultural and mentality shift.
Been the same for near on 40 years.
Been the same for near on 40 years.
Tony Abrahams
19 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:02:06
19 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:02:06
I've been saying for a very long time that David Moyes isn't a squad builder. But I think Anthony has started this thread explaining things a lot more precisely than I ever could.
Tired team, tired tactics... I actually began to realise why Dyche ended up going ultra defensive with that team because, when we open up and try to play, then gaps suddenly start appearing all over the park.
So much wrong, we need two fullbacks who want to join in; watching Mykolenko, tucking into midfield, like it was some kind of tactic, during the second half was completely baffling.
I know Arteta used to do it with another Ukrainian he had signed from Man City but I'm sure he was originally a midfielder, and was also playing for a team that usually manipulated possession.
We need our midfielders to play midfield and we need two central defenders who can get us higher up the pitch.
I learned nothing new because I am completely aware of the pros and cons of our manager. I felt very sad at times, looking around our fantastic new stadium, because I honestly believe we need a lot more.
My opinion is that our club is ready to fly again... but only if the people who make the big decisions are aware of this. That's why I felt so deflated yesterday; I honestly don't believe in many people connected to our once great club.
Tired team, tired tactics... I actually began to realise why Dyche ended up going ultra defensive with that team because, when we open up and try to play, then gaps suddenly start appearing all over the park.
So much wrong, we need two fullbacks who want to join in; watching Mykolenko, tucking into midfield, like it was some kind of tactic, during the second half was completely baffling.
I know Arteta used to do it with another Ukrainian he had signed from Man City but I'm sure he was originally a midfielder, and was also playing for a team that usually manipulated possession.
We need our midfielders to play midfield and we need two central defenders who can get us higher up the pitch.
I learned nothing new because I am completely aware of the pros and cons of our manager. I felt very sad at times, looking around our fantastic new stadium, because I honestly believe we need a lot more.
My opinion is that our club is ready to fly again... but only if the people who make the big decisions are aware of this. That's why I felt so deflated yesterday; I honestly don't believe in many people connected to our once great club.
Michael Kenrick
20 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:02:30
20 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:02:30
Kunal @18,
No one has touched upon a cultural and mentality shift.
Any chance you can elaborate on that? Not trying to be funny... I have no idea what you are talking about.
No one has touched upon a cultural and mentality shift.
Any chance you can elaborate on that? Not trying to be funny... I have no idea what you are talking about.
Geoff Williams
21 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:04:15
21 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:04:15
I've now joined the general concensus that Moyes has to go.
Recent performances have indicated that he is totally inflexible in his approach to tactics and team selections. His substitutions are always like-for-like and very predictable.
Neither stiker is of Premier League standard but, if he is going to play them, at least try to play to what strengths they do have. They can't play with their backs to goal and they very rarely win headers despite being well over 6 feet tall.
The failure to buy two decent full-backs and a proven goalscorer has shown the limits of the club's recruitment policy.
Recent performances have indicated that he is totally inflexible in his approach to tactics and team selections. His substitutions are always like-for-like and very predictable.
Neither stiker is of Premier League standard but, if he is going to play them, at least try to play to what strengths they do have. They can't play with their backs to goal and they very rarely win headers despite being well over 6 feet tall.
The failure to buy two decent full-backs and a proven goalscorer has shown the limits of the club's recruitment policy.
Kunal Desai
22 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:27:10
22 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:27:10
@Michael - Mentality shift would be the owners setting the tone, ie, this is where we want to get to and this is how we are going to do it?
Cultural being identity, ties into the vision of this football club, strategic objectives, behavioural changes, ie, do something different from what you do every season, not leaving your transfer business to every deadline day.
Cultural being identity, ties into the vision of this football club, strategic objectives, behavioural changes, ie, do something different from what you do every season, not leaving your transfer business to every deadline day.
Alan McGuffog
23 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:32:40
23 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:32:40
Kunal... this is what we were all longing for in the Kenwright years.
Sorry but there is a song by The Who that keeps going round in my head. And it isn't Happy Jack!
Sorry but there is a song by The Who that keeps going round in my head. And it isn't Happy Jack!
Tony Heron
24 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:36:33
24 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:36:33
Tony @ 19. Interesting you mention about the gaps opening up when we try to be more expensive.
The Hill Dickinson pitch is 5 yards longer than Goodison. I wonder if this adds to our vulnerability, especially with the slow backside we have.
The Sunderland players, mostly young and mobile, certainly exploited the size of the pitch.
The Hill Dickinson pitch is 5 yards longer than Goodison. I wonder if this adds to our vulnerability, especially with the slow backside we have.
The Sunderland players, mostly young and mobile, certainly exploited the size of the pitch.
Terry Downes
25 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:47:36
25 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:47:36
Tony ,
That's okay, Moyes is sorting that out...
He's looking at signing Stones and Soucek!!
That's okay, Moyes is sorting that out...
He's looking at signing Stones and Soucek!!
Tommy Carter
26 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:56:01
26 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:56:01
Tony @19,
The club is ready to fly again. Champions League football was as available as ever this season and may not ever be as available again to us. With 8 games to go, we were in direct contention for a place.
Win the derby and we'd have gone above Liverpool. However, not with this manager, I'm afraid. He simply isn't capable. He's not a winner.
He knows how to make a team difficult to beat, get them organised and capable of topping the balance in our favour from time to time for a victory.
I'm not sure what the appetite for risk is with The Friedkin Group but, in order to move the club forward, then they have to take a risk.
The club is ready to fly again. Champions League football was as available as ever this season and may not ever be as available again to us. With 8 games to go, we were in direct contention for a place.
Win the derby and we'd have gone above Liverpool. However, not with this manager, I'm afraid. He simply isn't capable. He's not a winner.
He knows how to make a team difficult to beat, get them organised and capable of topping the balance in our favour from time to time for a victory.
I'm not sure what the appetite for risk is with The Friedkin Group but, in order to move the club forward, then they have to take a risk.
Raymond Fox
27 Posted 18/05/2026 at 13:06:07
27 Posted 18/05/2026 at 13:06:07
We learned that many of our players are not quite good enough and we should change the manager and make a fresh start. It all comes down to dosh, so it remains to be seen how much we can spend and whether the owner/s are happy to stump up.
We were doing okay but, in the last 6 games, we have earned 3 points from 18 possible.
Sure there were a few tough games and we came close on a few occasions but as usual we managed to fall at the final hurdle.
It has happened that often with us over recent times, we expect it to.
We were doing okay but, in the last 6 games, we have earned 3 points from 18 possible.
Sure there were a few tough games and we came close on a few occasions but as usual we managed to fall at the final hurdle.
It has happened that often with us over recent times, we expect it to.
Christy Ring
28 Posted 18/05/2026 at 13:26:19
28 Posted 18/05/2026 at 13:26:19
Hopefully the new owners will see that after another defeat at home, and collecting 3 points from the last 18, we need a new manager.
He'll hopefully sign two full-backs, a centre-back, a defensive midfielder, a winger and an established striker.
He'll hopefully sign two full-backs, a centre-back, a defensive midfielder, a winger and an established striker.
Michael Kenrick
29 Posted 18/05/2026 at 14:16:36
29 Posted 18/05/2026 at 14:16:36
Okay, thanks, Kunal.
Mentality - I imagine that has to be there among the players and in their core support team. Yes, I know TFG haven't espoused these high ideals to us, but I'm not someone who thinks they need to you. You're in the top league, you want to finish as high as you can each season. But so do all the other sides.
You end up doing what you believe is the best you can. At least that's what Moyes would have us believe... but we all know that ain't the case, and the buck stops with him.
'Cultural being identity'? I'm still getting stuck on those words being strung together... but it seems to tie back into the first one. There's of course things we need to do as a football club. If we do them well, it will bring success.
We have no success, therefore this is proof that we are not doing them well... and that means we need to do them better.
Don't you think I'd make a good motivational speaker? Or is this stuff so basic that it gets taken for granted???
Mentality - I imagine that has to be there among the players and in their core support team. Yes, I know TFG haven't espoused these high ideals to us, but I'm not someone who thinks they need to you. You're in the top league, you want to finish as high as you can each season. But so do all the other sides.
You end up doing what you believe is the best you can. At least that's what Moyes would have us believe... but we all know that ain't the case, and the buck stops with him.
'Cultural being identity'? I'm still getting stuck on those words being strung together... but it seems to tie back into the first one. There's of course things we need to do as a football club. If we do them well, it will bring success.
We have no success, therefore this is proof that we are not doing them well... and that means we need to do them better.
Don't you think I'd make a good motivational speaker? Or is this stuff so basic that it gets taken for granted???
Tony Abrahams
30 Posted 18/05/2026 at 14:35:23
30 Posted 18/05/2026 at 14:35:23
It’s the same size pitch as what we have won a few away games on this season, I believe Tony.
I don’t say things for the sake of it regarding Everton, Tommy, but like we both know, if Everton are going to start flying again, we need more talent, we need more positivity and we need more people with a real winning mentality, right throughout the club.
I’ve just been reading what Happy, but disappointed Angus, said about Moyes, last summer and the one thing that’s abundantly clear is that the people in charge of our recruitment are simply not aligned.
It’s been this way since Moshiri, came in and we started using a D-O-F, model, but if the people who recruit the players and the person who manages the players are not aligned, then something has got to give because once again, this doesn’t constitute genuine professionalism, imo.
I don’t say things for the sake of it regarding Everton, Tommy, but like we both know, if Everton are going to start flying again, we need more talent, we need more positivity and we need more people with a real winning mentality, right throughout the club.
I’ve just been reading what Happy, but disappointed Angus, said about Moyes, last summer and the one thing that’s abundantly clear is that the people in charge of our recruitment are simply not aligned.
It’s been this way since Moshiri, came in and we started using a D-O-F, model, but if the people who recruit the players and the person who manages the players are not aligned, then something has got to give because once again, this doesn’t constitute genuine professionalism, imo.
Rob Dolby
31 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:05:28
31 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:05:28
I wouldn't say Sunderland had more quality on the pitch. Their tactics and endeavour shadowed ours. In Xhacka they had the best midfielder on the pitch.
We have seen it all season. Our system revolves around kdh. If he isn't on his game we get swamped in midfield and that's what happened yesterday. We are playing the same safe tactics we had under Dyche.
We do have players who can attack at pace in George and Alcatraz but neither have been used unless we are getting beat with 10 mins to go.
If Moyes is in charge next year we are going to see the same stuff.
The players in general have put some great shifts in away from home but at home we are so passive. It's a pattern we can all see but only Moyes can do something about. He should be getting on the phone to West ham and buying their left back, Bowen and summerville.
We have seen it all season. Our system revolves around kdh. If he isn't on his game we get swamped in midfield and that's what happened yesterday. We are playing the same safe tactics we had under Dyche.
We do have players who can attack at pace in George and Alcatraz but neither have been used unless we are getting beat with 10 mins to go.
If Moyes is in charge next year we are going to see the same stuff.
The players in general have put some great shifts in away from home but at home we are so passive. It's a pattern we can all see but only Moyes can do something about. He should be getting on the phone to West ham and buying their left back, Bowen and summerville.
Rob Williamson
32 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:31:36
32 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:31:36
Jim #16…..
In answer to your question, the last time our last win of the season was in March was in 1937! (Leeds 7-1).
That's quite an achievement for David Moyes.….. yes, I know, I should get out more!
In answer to your question, the last time our last win of the season was in March was in 1937! (Leeds 7-1).
That's quite an achievement for David Moyes.….. yes, I know, I should get out more!
Jamie Crowley
33 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:47:09
33 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:47:09
I am not blaming any fan who left...
I am.
It's disgusting and the fans should be wholly embarrassed by their actions.
Who, no matter what the hell is going on, doesn't stay out of respect for such a fantastic servant of the club? It made me sick to my stomach to see it.
I've never been so mortified at such a sophomoric action by so many of our fans. Petulant children not getting what they want, leaving prior to one of the very best of us is shown a level of respect he earned and deserved.
Seamus Coleman should have, no matter what the result, been sent off to a packed house.
Shame on every single fan who left early. You honestly, for the first time ever in my life, made me question the dignity and character of our fan base and what it means to be Blue.
I mean every single word of what I've written. Shame on all of you.
I am.
It's disgusting and the fans should be wholly embarrassed by their actions.
Who, no matter what the hell is going on, doesn't stay out of respect for such a fantastic servant of the club? It made me sick to my stomach to see it.
I've never been so mortified at such a sophomoric action by so many of our fans. Petulant children not getting what they want, leaving prior to one of the very best of us is shown a level of respect he earned and deserved.
Seamus Coleman should have, no matter what the result, been sent off to a packed house.
Shame on every single fan who left early. You honestly, for the first time ever in my life, made me question the dignity and character of our fan base and what it means to be Blue.
I mean every single word of what I've written. Shame on all of you.
John Collins
34 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:57:51
34 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:57:51
Jamie,
I give my ticket away but probably would have got off as the third goal went in, if not before.
I love Seamus as a player and as a man in saying that. I reckon most fans who left did so out of frustration, mate.
I give my ticket away but probably would have got off as the third goal went in, if not before.
I love Seamus as a player and as a man in saying that. I reckon most fans who left did so out of frustration, mate.
Paul Hewitt
35 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:01:29
35 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:01:29
I reckon for a guy who's probably earned around 5 million for the last 2 years for doing sod all. He probably isn't bothered Jamie.
Jim Bennings
36 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:06:00
36 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:06:00
At 2-1 down Seamus probably should not even have been subjected to that shite.
Should have just given him a proper testimonial in August and had a full house to give him a great send-off.
Bringing him on yesterday for that dross and effectively the third goal we conceded makes him look culpable even though he wasn't, just sums up Everton Football Club in the 21st century.
Should have just given him a proper testimonial in August and had a full house to give him a great send-off.
Bringing him on yesterday for that dross and effectively the third goal we conceded makes him look culpable even though he wasn't, just sums up Everton Football Club in the 21st century.
John Collins
37 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:08:49
37 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:08:49
Paul,
If your boss offered you more wages for a longer period, would you say no thanks?
If your boss offered you more wages for a longer period, would you say no thanks?
Andrew Merrick
38 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:10:33
38 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:10:33
Alan 23,
Is that "won't get fooled again"?
Is that "won't get fooled again"?
Kevin Molloy
39 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:16:44
39 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:16:44
I can't disagree with your conclusions, Jamie. But I suspect a lot of fans forgot, just plain forgot in their distress at the appalling fare before them.
If they realised he'd be walking around an empty stadium, I'm sure nearly all of them would have stayed.
If they realised he'd be walking around an empty stadium, I'm sure nearly all of them would have stayed.
Paul Hewitt
40 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:33:01
40 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:33:01
John @37 course not.
But let's get things straight. Coleman, who has been a terrific player, has still earned more money that he will ever spend in his life.
At 36, he and his family are financially sound. Paid for by Everton and the Everton fans who attend the matches.
So fans got off early, I'm not surprised after that performance, and speaking to a guy at work. He didn't even know Coleman was coming out after the game, that's on the club.
But let's get things straight. Coleman, who has been a terrific player, has still earned more money that he will ever spend in his life.
At 36, he and his family are financially sound. Paid for by Everton and the Everton fans who attend the matches.
So fans got off early, I'm not surprised after that performance, and speaking to a guy at work. He didn't even know Coleman was coming out after the game, that's on the club.
John Collins
41 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:50:29
41 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:50:29
In days when kids can't get a drink of clean water, Paul, I agree on footballers' wages being stupid. But, that's the market mate, none of them are going to say no.
One exception I read was Alex Ferguson on Scholes's new contract negotiations. Ferguson said when asked what rise he was after, Scholes never gave a figure: "Just pay me what you think I'm worth"
One exception I read was Alex Ferguson on Scholes's new contract negotiations. Ferguson said when asked what rise he was after, Scholes never gave a figure: "Just pay me what you think I'm worth"
Kunal Desai
42 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:51:55
42 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:51:55
Bravo Michael. Well done.
I'm talking about a cultural and mentality change and shift which has been engrained at the club for about 35 plus years, by an large that was driven down from Johnson and mainly Kenwright. Owners who dampened the expectations of this great club and the standards are on the floor to just maintain PL status and make the numbers up.
I'm talking about a cultural and mentality change and shift which has been engrained at the club for about 35 plus years, by an large that was driven down from Johnson and mainly Kenwright. Owners who dampened the expectations of this great club and the standards are on the floor to just maintain PL status and make the numbers up.
John Collins
43 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:08:25
43 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:08:25
Think we won our last trophy under Peter Johnson.
You're right on the rest of your post, mate.
You're right on the rest of your post, mate.
Andy Meighan
44 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:22:46
44 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:22:46
Jamie.
While I respect your views, I think you're a little bit out of order there mate.
I couldn't go yesterday as I was in hospital until late Saturday night, but as soon as that 2nd goal went in I would have been out of there like a shot.
No fan of our club owes Seamus anything and I actually like the man, because hes got riches that nearly everyone on here can only dream about.
Been a great servant no doubt about it and been through no fault of his own a member of some shit sides, but I totally get the fans reaction yesterday, they were looking at players going through the motions and not giving a flying fuck.
None of the owners staff or players have got an affiliation with our club, the only constant is us the long suffering fans.
That ground even this early is beginning to resemble a graveyard, the results have been shit and the players look scared to play there.
While I respect your views, I think you're a little bit out of order there mate.
I couldn't go yesterday as I was in hospital until late Saturday night, but as soon as that 2nd goal went in I would have been out of there like a shot.
No fan of our club owes Seamus anything and I actually like the man, because hes got riches that nearly everyone on here can only dream about.
Been a great servant no doubt about it and been through no fault of his own a member of some shit sides, but I totally get the fans reaction yesterday, they were looking at players going through the motions and not giving a flying fuck.
None of the owners staff or players have got an affiliation with our club, the only constant is us the long suffering fans.
That ground even this early is beginning to resemble a graveyard, the results have been shit and the players look scared to play there.
Dave Abrahams
45 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:29:35
45 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:29:35
Jamie (33) I applaud the few fans who stayed to cheer Seamus and possibly two or three of the other players.
I didn't go to the game but, if I had, I'd have been up and away as soon as the final whistle went.
I think Seamus will understand why the fans went, quite a lot of them, well before the final whistle, because of the absolute paucity of the performance. Knowing Seamus, he would have been embarrassed by that performance of the team and the manager.
I didn't go to the game but, if I had, I'd have been up and away as soon as the final whistle went.
I think Seamus will understand why the fans went, quite a lot of them, well before the final whistle, because of the absolute paucity of the performance. Knowing Seamus, he would have been embarrassed by that performance of the team and the manager.
Tom Bowers
46 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:49:43
46 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:49:43
There has to be many changes, everyone agrees. We cannot take this squad into next season.
I suggest Keane, Tarkowski and McNeil go back to Burnley, along with Moyes, knowing full well it won't happen. The defence needs a shake-up with hopefully Jarrad Branthwaite coming back and being a cornerstone of a new back four.
The two full-backs have been poor and are just not doing much offensively, as most in the Premier League do these days.
Mykolenko has become a stay-at-home left-back and of course Moyes is content to risk Jake O'Brien at right back every match, which is crazy. Both are very slow on the turn.
A lot of the regular benchwarmers must be pissed at the lack of consideration Moyes has been giving them... and I agree, there has been a lack of power in the midfield for most of the season except for James Garner.
Dibling, Aznou, Armstrong, Alcaraz along with Iroegbunam and George have question marks over their futures with Moyes at the helm.
Of course, we all know Beto and Barry are not the answer up front.
I suggest Keane, Tarkowski and McNeil go back to Burnley, along with Moyes, knowing full well it won't happen. The defence needs a shake-up with hopefully Jarrad Branthwaite coming back and being a cornerstone of a new back four.
The two full-backs have been poor and are just not doing much offensively, as most in the Premier League do these days.
Mykolenko has become a stay-at-home left-back and of course Moyes is content to risk Jake O'Brien at right back every match, which is crazy. Both are very slow on the turn.
A lot of the regular benchwarmers must be pissed at the lack of consideration Moyes has been giving them... and I agree, there has been a lack of power in the midfield for most of the season except for James Garner.
Dibling, Aznou, Armstrong, Alcaraz along with Iroegbunam and George have question marks over their futures with Moyes at the helm.
Of course, we all know Beto and Barry are not the answer up front.
Tony Abrahams
47 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:59:05
47 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:59:05
I don't know many Evertonians who don't respect Seamus Coleman, the man, Jamie, so I doubt it was petulance, but rather just complete anger at a disgraceful team performance.
With Europe there for the taking, the players once again went missing. Like I said on another thread, I think that if anyone will have understood their anger and frustrations, it will have been our former captain?
I hope it hasn't been lost on your fellow countrymen who still haven't been gracious enough to even come and watch us play, even though they have owned our football club for nearly 18 months now, Jamie
And don't worry because I'm sure the fans will find a way to make it up to Seamus Coleman sometime in the future, especially if he joins the coaching staff.
With Europe there for the taking, the players once again went missing. Like I said on another thread, I think that if anyone will have understood their anger and frustrations, it will have been our former captain?
I hope it hasn't been lost on your fellow countrymen who still haven't been gracious enough to even come and watch us play, even though they have owned our football club for nearly 18 months now, Jamie
And don't worry because I'm sure the fans will find a way to make it up to Seamus Coleman sometime in the future, especially if he joins the coaching staff.
Jamie Crowley
48 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:59:16
48 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:59:16
I just disagree with all and sundry who would have left.
I can't find any other word than "deplorable" to not honor such a good, upstanding man and player. He's everything I'd want my kids to be, were they a supremely paid athlete.
Paul Hewitt -
Do you judge men and situations on the sizes of their wallets? Just because they've been blessed with money and resources doesn't equate to them being bad people. Are the rich often jerks? Yes. Are they always? No.
Honoring a player should have nothing to do with what the club pays them, but rather how they conducted themselves over the years for the club.
Seamus is the role model in my near 20 years of being a fan. I don't give a flying fuck what he was paid. He was, and is, class, and should have been sent off with a Vatican honor guard in my opinion.
Harsh is a word best to describe the fanbase's treatment of Seamus. It shouldn't be used to describe anyone calling out the fanbase for such despicable treatment to such a fantastic servant.
As I said, I find it embarrassing. And this was the first time I've ever used that word with anything associated with Everton or our fantastic fans.
I can't find any other word than "deplorable" to not honor such a good, upstanding man and player. He's everything I'd want my kids to be, were they a supremely paid athlete.
Paul Hewitt -
Do you judge men and situations on the sizes of their wallets? Just because they've been blessed with money and resources doesn't equate to them being bad people. Are the rich often jerks? Yes. Are they always? No.
Honoring a player should have nothing to do with what the club pays them, but rather how they conducted themselves over the years for the club.
Seamus is the role model in my near 20 years of being a fan. I don't give a flying fuck what he was paid. He was, and is, class, and should have been sent off with a Vatican honor guard in my opinion.
Harsh is a word best to describe the fanbase's treatment of Seamus. It shouldn't be used to describe anyone calling out the fanbase for such despicable treatment to such a fantastic servant.
As I said, I find it embarrassing. And this was the first time I've ever used that word with anything associated with Everton or our fantastic fans.
David West
49 Posted 18/05/2026 at 18:39:26
49 Posted 18/05/2026 at 18:39:26
If Seamus Coleman was a season ticket holder or even a paying fan yesterday, I suggest he too would have been appalled at what he seen and left himself!!!!
Jay Harris
50 Posted 18/05/2026 at 18:40:21
50 Posted 18/05/2026 at 18:40:21
This game wasn't and shouldn't be about Seamus and I'm sure he would say the same.
This game was about our last chance to get into A European spot and the players absolutely bottled it.
It should not be a surprise that the players mentality wasnt up to it as evidenced by at least half of the fighting relegation for years.
I also think we have been let down by the expensively assembled management team who spent over 40m on a player that has made zero contribution to this season.
This mentality and Moyes stubbornness in refusing to make changes to his favoured 11 has cost us at least 12 points and allied to some dubious decisions from those who will not be questioned would have comfortably got us back in the top six in a season where Chelsea and Spurs had a holiday and Newcastle had their own issues.
Next season will undoubtedly be more testing and we need to start planning for it now. Despite the cries for Moyes out I would give him until Xmas with proper backing i.e. some goalscoring forwards, a solid DM and 2 new full backs.
West Ham might oblige by letting us have Diouf and Wan Bissaka and we need a clear-out of the sell by date players like Barry, McNeill and Patterson. I would have included Keane but we've just given him a new contract.
We need confident players like Grealish and KDH who are on always the front foot.
This game was about our last chance to get into A European spot and the players absolutely bottled it.
It should not be a surprise that the players mentality wasnt up to it as evidenced by at least half of the fighting relegation for years.
I also think we have been let down by the expensively assembled management team who spent over 40m on a player that has made zero contribution to this season.
This mentality and Moyes stubbornness in refusing to make changes to his favoured 11 has cost us at least 12 points and allied to some dubious decisions from those who will not be questioned would have comfortably got us back in the top six in a season where Chelsea and Spurs had a holiday and Newcastle had their own issues.
Next season will undoubtedly be more testing and we need to start planning for it now. Despite the cries for Moyes out I would give him until Xmas with proper backing i.e. some goalscoring forwards, a solid DM and 2 new full backs.
West Ham might oblige by letting us have Diouf and Wan Bissaka and we need a clear-out of the sell by date players like Barry, McNeill and Patterson. I would have included Keane but we've just given him a new contract.
We need confident players like Grealish and KDH who are on always the front foot.
Darren Hind
51 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:03:24
51 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:03:24
Some seriously misguided comments on here.
Seamus Coleman has enjoyed the kind of love that most players can only dream about. He and his family will be received warmly, wherever they go... even by Kopites.
When he turns up at Bramley-Moore Dock, he will be treated like royalty. Thousands of people will be falling over themselves to shake his hand or get their pictures taken with him.
This is not the fucking Gerry Springer show. We are not Yanks. There will be no staged one-off send-off. There will be fucking hundreds of them and they will probably never stop.
The people of this city are famed for their warmth, but that doesn't mean we have to make a very public demonstration of it. That sort of behaviour is for the benefit of other people. The people here won't do that just for appearances sake.
Seamus Coleman will absolutely understand that the main event was a football match on Saturday and he will have no problems understanding why 40-odd thousand fans left early. They were expecting a last game of the season show of dynamism. Their expectation almost choked them
So... no fireworks... no dancing girls... no marching bands. Just sincerity. The people who love him now will never stop loving him.
You can call out the fan base until you are blue in the face, Jamie. but those "deplorable" fans will be showering Seamus Coleman with love for the rest of his life.
I've seen American sportsmen bow out to staged fanfare send-offs. Many of them are forgotten by the time they've brushed the last piece of ticker-tape from their hair.
Don't shed any tears for Seamus Coleman. He doesn't need them. He will never need them.
Seamus Coleman has enjoyed the kind of love that most players can only dream about. He and his family will be received warmly, wherever they go... even by Kopites.
When he turns up at Bramley-Moore Dock, he will be treated like royalty. Thousands of people will be falling over themselves to shake his hand or get their pictures taken with him.
This is not the fucking Gerry Springer show. We are not Yanks. There will be no staged one-off send-off. There will be fucking hundreds of them and they will probably never stop.
The people of this city are famed for their warmth, but that doesn't mean we have to make a very public demonstration of it. That sort of behaviour is for the benefit of other people. The people here won't do that just for appearances sake.
Seamus Coleman will absolutely understand that the main event was a football match on Saturday and he will have no problems understanding why 40-odd thousand fans left early. They were expecting a last game of the season show of dynamism. Their expectation almost choked them
So... no fireworks... no dancing girls... no marching bands. Just sincerity. The people who love him now will never stop loving him.
You can call out the fan base until you are blue in the face, Jamie. but those "deplorable" fans will be showering Seamus Coleman with love for the rest of his life.
I've seen American sportsmen bow out to staged fanfare send-offs. Many of them are forgotten by the time they've brushed the last piece of ticker-tape from their hair.
Don't shed any tears for Seamus Coleman. He doesn't need them. He will never need them.
Mark Ryan
52 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:07:42
52 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:07:42
Spot on Darren, nail and head 100%
Brian Harrison
53 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:15:35
53 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:15:35
I am sure Seamus will understand why so many left, but when I got home and saw him come out to an empty stadium, I did feel a bit guilty I hadn't stayed.
I also don't understand why songs are pumped over the tannoy before the game for Ndiaye and Pickford. It looks to me like Ndiaye is on the move and for all that he is a great shot stopper, but none of the top clubs who have changed goalkeepers have come in for Pickford.
Also, with a huge concourse why haven't the statues of Dixie and the Holy Trinity not been moved to Hill Dickinson?
I also don't understand why songs are pumped over the tannoy before the game for Ndiaye and Pickford. It looks to me like Ndiaye is on the move and for all that he is a great shot stopper, but none of the top clubs who have changed goalkeepers have come in for Pickford.
Also, with a huge concourse why haven't the statues of Dixie and the Holy Trinity not been moved to Hill Dickinson?
Andy Meighan
54 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:21:40
54 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:21:40
Darren 51.
I don't always agree with a lot of what you say, but that was a brilliant post.
I don't always agree with a lot of what you say, but that was a brilliant post.
John Collins
55 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:24:21
55 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:24:21
Darren 51.
👏
👏
Paul Hewitt
56 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:40:11
56 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:40:11
Jamie @48.
I never said Coleman was a bad person at all. I think Coleman has been a great servant to the club, and is apparently a very nice person. But I won't crisis people who pay good hard- earned money for walking out after a total shit show.
I personally don't think Coleman will be too bothered. Like Darren said, he will always get a warm welcome when he comes back to Bramley-Moore Dock.
I never said Coleman was a bad person at all. I think Coleman has been a great servant to the club, and is apparently a very nice person. But I won't crisis people who pay good hard- earned money for walking out after a total shit show.
I personally don't think Coleman will be too bothered. Like Darren said, he will always get a warm welcome when he comes back to Bramley-Moore Dock.
John Pickles
57 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:57:05
57 Posted 18/05/2026 at 19:57:05
Jamie Crawley,
I was there and I walked the second the whistle went. It had nothing to do with Seamus, I stood and applauded him onto the pitch. There was no way, after sitting through 96 minutes of watching a team that couldn't give a shit, I was going to applaud them on a lap of 'honour'.
I pay enough money and spend enough time travelling each way to expect to see a team who can at least be arsed when they are on the pitch. I don't need an armchair supporter from another country to tell me how to support my club.
I was there and I walked the second the whistle went. It had nothing to do with Seamus, I stood and applauded him onto the pitch. There was no way, after sitting through 96 minutes of watching a team that couldn't give a shit, I was going to applaud them on a lap of 'honour'.
I pay enough money and spend enough time travelling each way to expect to see a team who can at least be arsed when they are on the pitch. I don't need an armchair supporter from another country to tell me how to support my club.
David West
58 Posted 18/05/2026 at 20:12:12
58 Posted 18/05/2026 at 20:12:12
Darren 51
Perfectly put !!
Perfectly put !!
John Charles
59 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:03:57
59 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:03:57
I did stay. not so much for seamus but out of numb shock at the shit show that went on before.
Seamus looked embarrassed to be out there. I believe more to do with the poor show - including by him - than how many people were still there to ‘honour’ him.
He has had the honour of playing for Everton and being very well paid for the privilege.
He is not and has never been a servant but a decent player ( not great) doing a professional job.
As with the likes of Timmy Cahill on Sunday seamus I am sure will be welcomed back on numerous occaisions.
I believe we all should have stayed and told everyone on the pitch how shit they are!
Seamus looked embarrassed to be out there. I believe more to do with the poor show - including by him - than how many people were still there to ‘honour’ him.
He has had the honour of playing for Everton and being very well paid for the privilege.
He is not and has never been a servant but a decent player ( not great) doing a professional job.
As with the likes of Timmy Cahill on Sunday seamus I am sure will be welcomed back on numerous occaisions.
I believe we all should have stayed and told everyone on the pitch how shit they are!
John Pierre Field
60 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:12:32
60 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:12:32
TFG got a bargain with the purchase of Everton. Magnificent new stadium which will drive income growth from a different sources. Full houses and a magnificent and loyal fanbase etc etc.
Great news so far... but what about the Football? The facts are clear -- a poor squad, tired and aging players, unused young players, a negative manager, terrible playing style, a lack of entertainment, and results that match.
However, for me, the key question if that of risk. TFG are US businessmen who deal in risk. It's in their DNA. How does that play out for us?
1st scenario - stay in the Premier League at all costs. Winning competitions etc is difficult without huge investment. Would that investment provide the necessary returns? -- maybe not.
Answer:- employ a Steady Eddie manager, reduce costs with a small squad, buy or loan older experienced players who can get you out of trouble. If you are lucky, you might get into Europe. However, be careful as that might affect your Premier League existence due to the number of games played.
2nd Scenario - take on more risk from football and financial perspectives. Employ a manager who wants to play attacking and attractive football. Invest in a squad that can do both. Entertain the fans who are being asked to pay more.
However, taking on more risk can mean falling on your face is more likely... I know which one I prefer. But I am not the owner. I don't do the sums and don't have a 5- to 10-year plan to work to.
My gut instinct is TFG prefer the 1st scenario. Dan Friedkin has not even visited the stadium. Build up the finances with just sufficient investment and flip it when a good offer comes in.
David Moyes is perfect for this plan. Sadly, I see very little ambition for our club next season apart from remaining in the Premier League and possibly fighting for a place in the Conférence League.
Our better players will soon tire of this approach and seek pastures new. They will be replaced by the older cast-offs, such as Stones and Soucek, who will do the necessary to keep us in the Premier League. Groundhog Day.
Great news so far... but what about the Football? The facts are clear -- a poor squad, tired and aging players, unused young players, a negative manager, terrible playing style, a lack of entertainment, and results that match.
However, for me, the key question if that of risk. TFG are US businessmen who deal in risk. It's in their DNA. How does that play out for us?
1st scenario - stay in the Premier League at all costs. Winning competitions etc is difficult without huge investment. Would that investment provide the necessary returns? -- maybe not.
Answer:- employ a Steady Eddie manager, reduce costs with a small squad, buy or loan older experienced players who can get you out of trouble. If you are lucky, you might get into Europe. However, be careful as that might affect your Premier League existence due to the number of games played.
2nd Scenario - take on more risk from football and financial perspectives. Employ a manager who wants to play attacking and attractive football. Invest in a squad that can do both. Entertain the fans who are being asked to pay more.
However, taking on more risk can mean falling on your face is more likely... I know which one I prefer. But I am not the owner. I don't do the sums and don't have a 5- to 10-year plan to work to.
My gut instinct is TFG prefer the 1st scenario. Dan Friedkin has not even visited the stadium. Build up the finances with just sufficient investment and flip it when a good offer comes in.
David Moyes is perfect for this plan. Sadly, I see very little ambition for our club next season apart from remaining in the Premier League and possibly fighting for a place in the Conférence League.
Our better players will soon tire of this approach and seek pastures new. They will be replaced by the older cast-offs, such as Stones and Soucek, who will do the necessary to keep us in the Premier League. Groundhog Day.
Ian Bennett
61 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:18:15
61 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:18:15
Simple...
Hire Pep!!!
Hire Pep!!!
Peter Mitchell
62 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:26:55
62 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:26:55
Here's what I learned - to stay away from the stadium (at least for a while!). I have been up from London to watch 6 matches this season, 4 times with my missus and 2 lads (both in their 20"s) and twice with my brother.
I have seen 1 win, 5 defeats and 21 goals scored, 14 by the opposition. It has cost several thousand pounds for tickets, accommodation, food etc.
This last one was the worst -- no fight, no pace, no skill, no clue. We need a major overhaul -- 2 full-backs, at least one centre back, a winger, 2 powerhouse midfielders and a striker. TFG better get the cheque book out!
I have seen 1 win, 5 defeats and 21 goals scored, 14 by the opposition. It has cost several thousand pounds for tickets, accommodation, food etc.
This last one was the worst -- no fight, no pace, no skill, no clue. We need a major overhaul -- 2 full-backs, at least one centre back, a winger, 2 powerhouse midfielders and a striker. TFG better get the cheque book out!
Liam Mogan
63 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:42:15
63 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:42:15
If only Jaded Moyes had self-awareness like you Peter!
Peter Mitchell
64 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:56:14
64 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:56:14
Thanks, Liam - put the semblance of a smile back on my face!
Of course, I won't really be able to stay away, but will deffo think twice before (inevitably) succumbing.
Of course, I won't really be able to stay away, but will deffo think twice before (inevitably) succumbing.
Billy Shears
65 Posted 18/05/2026 at 23:05:26
65 Posted 18/05/2026 at 23:05:26
Unless our greedy board sack the management team and gut most of the squad for next season, then absolutely nothing will change!
I'll go back to Goodison to watch our Women's Team instead, methinks.
I'll go back to Goodison to watch our Women's Team instead, methinks.
Jamie Crowley
66 Posted 18/05/2026 at 23:54:46
66 Posted 18/05/2026 at 23:54:46
Darren Hind,
Firstly, hello mate. I love using that word... I hope you and yours are healthy, happy, and all the fluffy things one can say.
Your post at 51 is excellent. This might be my 'Merican eyes seeing through my lens, and not through the lens of a local.
If that is the case, fair. But I can't abide it, which is also fair. If this is cultural, then the way I was raised and what we do over here differs massively in that regard. My 17-year-old son said, "I can't believe they left, WTF?" I agreed with him 100%.
As an aside, and seeing this brought me out of a deep cave of not posting on TW for a long time, I'd like to apologize to all of you very belatedly for the Ryder Cup back in September. I was embarrassed and humiliated at some of the actions of my fellow countrymen. This is what happens when you host the Ryder Cup in New York -- that place is full of jabronis.
UTFT. Seamus Coleman = legend. At least in my book. And yes, no one is reading my book. But to post on TW is very cathartic.
Firstly, hello mate. I love using that word... I hope you and yours are healthy, happy, and all the fluffy things one can say.
Your post at 51 is excellent. This might be my 'Merican eyes seeing through my lens, and not through the lens of a local.
If that is the case, fair. But I can't abide it, which is also fair. If this is cultural, then the way I was raised and what we do over here differs massively in that regard. My 17-year-old son said, "I can't believe they left, WTF?" I agreed with him 100%.
As an aside, and seeing this brought me out of a deep cave of not posting on TW for a long time, I'd like to apologize to all of you very belatedly for the Ryder Cup back in September. I was embarrassed and humiliated at some of the actions of my fellow countrymen. This is what happens when you host the Ryder Cup in New York -- that place is full of jabronis.
UTFT. Seamus Coleman = legend. At least in my book. And yes, no one is reading my book. But to post on TW is very cathartic.
Steve Brown
67 Posted 19/05/2026 at 01:54:42
67 Posted 19/05/2026 at 01:54:42
Love that word 'Jabroni' Jamie.
Welcome back!
My son took my tickets but, like many, had no clue that a lap of honour was planned for Seamus and left after the third goal.
I honestly think many would have hung back if aware, to show their respect to him. But, as Darren eloquently wrote, he gets that every day in the city.
Welcome back!
My son took my tickets but, like many, had no clue that a lap of honour was planned for Seamus and left after the third goal.
I honestly think many would have hung back if aware, to show their respect to him. But, as Darren eloquently wrote, he gets that every day in the city.
Paul Griffiths
68 Posted 19/05/2026 at 03:04:28
68 Posted 19/05/2026 at 03:04:28
Paul H (%@40): guy at work. He didn't even know Coleman was coming out after the game, that's on the club.
Your friend is pretty dumb then Paul or he does not know his stuff. We always have a 'parade of honour [yuck]' after the last home game. Always. So, nothing is on the club.
It wasn't 'a lap of honour' for Seamus Steve (@67). It was the usual lap of the pitch after the final whistle of the final home game. Although obviously I accept that the occasion was made more 'emotional' a few days after Seamus's announcement. There might well be some sort of occasion to celebrate and honour Seamus further down the road. Walking on the pitch first home game of next season?
I must say that I am surprised by you Jamie (@33). Thankfully, you seem to be in a minority of one or two. It's easy to sit in FL and type out what is in essence a highly moral response stuffed with expressions of morality.
Equally, you do not spend a large part of your income watching Everton. Nor do you have to travel to watch us - and that includes countless great blues from all corners of the country, many of whom have two-way journeys over ten hours (while you play golf) - or walk along the Dock Road in wind and rain.
You have also completely misunderstood the situation. The last-match lap of the ground had nothing to do with celebrating Seamus in person. It is the usual lap after the last game of the season that always takes place.
So, your diatribe - 'disgusting', 'mortified', 'sophomoric action', 'shame on all of you', 'it made me sick to my stomach' - not only makes you look haughty on a high moral horse but redundant and wrong. And you have the audacity to 'question the dignity and character of our fan base' based on your lack of understanding of our club traditions and misreading of what you thought you saw.
This is the worst: 'Petulant children not getting what they want'. Who on earth are you to judge and write this utter tosh?
These 'petulant children', unlike you, have sat through a shite season at the Dock. Many of these 'petulant children' go to all or most away matches. Do you have any idea of the cost of all of this in money, morale, and effort (getting back to Liverpool or Exeter on a coach or in a car from Newcastle at 2AM or 6AM)? You need to understand the toll that can take when the blood-sweat, and tears of the most loyal fans in the country is not replicated and respected by the erm 'blood, sweat, and tears' of the team.
Do you understand Jamie that there might come a point when enough is enough and those loyal fans who have given so much (unlike you or me) choose to head for the exits rather than applaud a team whose efforts on far too many times can see like a kick in the balls? The emptying of the stands was a statement about this woeful season. Nothing more, nothing less.
The mass exodus that you read in moral terms was the complaint of those 'petulant children' who sat through and paid for yet another bag of shite in a long season of too many bags of shite who were not prepared - and I agree with them - to stay behind and applaud that team - team not one man - who have let them down so badly time after time.
Sadly, and I say this with a heavy heart, it is you Jamie who ought to be ashamed, I'm afraid. You are in no position to judge those 'petulant children', not least because you got it wrong.
By the way, answer me this, why 'petulant'? What were they sulking about? Sulking because Seamus as you think was getting a 'lap of honour'?
Your friend is pretty dumb then Paul or he does not know his stuff. We always have a 'parade of honour [yuck]' after the last home game. Always. So, nothing is on the club.
It wasn't 'a lap of honour' for Seamus Steve (@67). It was the usual lap of the pitch after the final whistle of the final home game. Although obviously I accept that the occasion was made more 'emotional' a few days after Seamus's announcement. There might well be some sort of occasion to celebrate and honour Seamus further down the road. Walking on the pitch first home game of next season?
I must say that I am surprised by you Jamie (@33). Thankfully, you seem to be in a minority of one or two. It's easy to sit in FL and type out what is in essence a highly moral response stuffed with expressions of morality.
Equally, you do not spend a large part of your income watching Everton. Nor do you have to travel to watch us - and that includes countless great blues from all corners of the country, many of whom have two-way journeys over ten hours (while you play golf) - or walk along the Dock Road in wind and rain.
You have also completely misunderstood the situation. The last-match lap of the ground had nothing to do with celebrating Seamus in person. It is the usual lap after the last game of the season that always takes place.
So, your diatribe - 'disgusting', 'mortified', 'sophomoric action', 'shame on all of you', 'it made me sick to my stomach' - not only makes you look haughty on a high moral horse but redundant and wrong. And you have the audacity to 'question the dignity and character of our fan base' based on your lack of understanding of our club traditions and misreading of what you thought you saw.
This is the worst: 'Petulant children not getting what they want'. Who on earth are you to judge and write this utter tosh?
These 'petulant children', unlike you, have sat through a shite season at the Dock. Many of these 'petulant children' go to all or most away matches. Do you have any idea of the cost of all of this in money, morale, and effort (getting back to Liverpool or Exeter on a coach or in a car from Newcastle at 2AM or 6AM)? You need to understand the toll that can take when the blood-sweat, and tears of the most loyal fans in the country is not replicated and respected by the erm 'blood, sweat, and tears' of the team.
Do you understand Jamie that there might come a point when enough is enough and those loyal fans who have given so much (unlike you or me) choose to head for the exits rather than applaud a team whose efforts on far too many times can see like a kick in the balls? The emptying of the stands was a statement about this woeful season. Nothing more, nothing less.
The mass exodus that you read in moral terms was the complaint of those 'petulant children' who sat through and paid for yet another bag of shite in a long season of too many bags of shite who were not prepared - and I agree with them - to stay behind and applaud that team - team not one man - who have let them down so badly time after time.
Sadly, and I say this with a heavy heart, it is you Jamie who ought to be ashamed, I'm afraid. You are in no position to judge those 'petulant children', not least because you got it wrong.
By the way, answer me this, why 'petulant'? What were they sulking about? Sulking because Seamus as you think was getting a 'lap of honour'?
Darren Hind
69 Posted 19/05/2026 at 07:30:22
69 Posted 19/05/2026 at 07:30:22
Good morning Jamie
Hope all is good with you and yours.
It was with delight that I saw you had posted again. I got your post, I knew you were seeing things through the eyes of somebody from a totally different sporting culture.
3-4 times a season I would be offered a chance to mix with the great and the good in the posh seats at Goodison. Did I stick to my roots ? Did I stay true to my working class ? Did I turn it down and stay in the cheap seats ?. Did I fuck. I couldnt wait to get in there.
You still saw the same match in the posh seats and but for a few freebies it wasnt much different. Except...Sitting in corporate area's you got to see and sometimes meet, many of your former heroes. More importantly you saw the reaction they would get. The love. The warmth. It was very real and very genuine. These former heroes are shown this sort of love every day wherever they go.
I came out of a game at Stamford Bridge a few years ago and as I walked along, I became aware of a real fuss going on behind me. I turned around and saw a gentleman being mobbed by people trying to shake his hand and getting themselves pictured with him. It took a few seconds for me to register who he was. Derek Temple scored a winner in a cup final sixty years ago. He was being mobbed and hugged by people who were not even born in 1966. Yet they all knew who he was
This is how we do it, Jamie. The send off's never really end.
Good to hear from you
Hope all is good with you and yours.
It was with delight that I saw you had posted again. I got your post, I knew you were seeing things through the eyes of somebody from a totally different sporting culture.
3-4 times a season I would be offered a chance to mix with the great and the good in the posh seats at Goodison. Did I stick to my roots ? Did I stay true to my working class ? Did I turn it down and stay in the cheap seats ?. Did I fuck. I couldnt wait to get in there.
You still saw the same match in the posh seats and but for a few freebies it wasnt much different. Except...Sitting in corporate area's you got to see and sometimes meet, many of your former heroes. More importantly you saw the reaction they would get. The love. The warmth. It was very real and very genuine. These former heroes are shown this sort of love every day wherever they go.
I came out of a game at Stamford Bridge a few years ago and as I walked along, I became aware of a real fuss going on behind me. I turned around and saw a gentleman being mobbed by people trying to shake his hand and getting themselves pictured with him. It took a few seconds for me to register who he was. Derek Temple scored a winner in a cup final sixty years ago. He was being mobbed and hugged by people who were not even born in 1966. Yet they all knew who he was
This is how we do it, Jamie. The send off's never really end.
Good to hear from you
Chris Woods
70 Posted 19/05/2026 at 08:02:33
70 Posted 19/05/2026 at 08:02:33
Paul G @ 68,
Great response to what is one of the worst posts @33 I've seen in 15 years of reading this site.
Great response to what is one of the worst posts @33 I've seen in 15 years of reading this site.
Paul Griffiths
71 Posted 19/05/2026 at 08:23:45
71 Posted 19/05/2026 at 08:23:45
Darren - 69 - an absolutely lovely post. Typical of you. I've been lucky enough to drink with some great lads on this site but you are top of my bucket list.
But, sadly, you failed to address the utter shite in Jamie's first post. I hope your post does not in any shape or form make JC think that his shameful post - adopting JC's moral tone, and I have had nothing but good feelings for him before this Darren - is acceptable.
It is not. As Moyes said, 'we messed up big time today'. JC, you 'messed up big time today',
I agree with Chris - 70 - 'one of the worst posts @33 ive seen'.
And not even you DH, one of the people I most respect on this site and will always support when necessary - even though you don't need it - will ever change that mate.
Hope that you are more mobile now DH. But you're off to Spud-land, so you're getting better.
But, sadly, you failed to address the utter shite in Jamie's first post. I hope your post does not in any shape or form make JC think that his shameful post - adopting JC's moral tone, and I have had nothing but good feelings for him before this Darren - is acceptable.
It is not. As Moyes said, 'we messed up big time today'. JC, you 'messed up big time today',
I agree with Chris - 70 - 'one of the worst posts @33 ive seen'.
And not even you DH, one of the people I most respect on this site and will always support when necessary - even though you don't need it - will ever change that mate.
Hope that you are more mobile now DH. But you're off to Spud-land, so you're getting better.
Ian Horan
72 Posted 19/05/2026 at 08:36:58
72 Posted 19/05/2026 at 08:36:58
I have learnt that when I die I want the EFC players to be my pole bearers so they can let me down one last time lowering me into my grave!!!
So fed up being let down by well-paid, over-indulged football mercenaries.
So fed up being let down by well-paid, over-indulged football mercenaries.
Jack Convery
73 Posted 19/05/2026 at 08:53:54
73 Posted 19/05/2026 at 08:53:54
Ian - brilliant mate.
JPF@60 has nailed it. Bang on. It's what is playing out before our eyes. You can't kid Evertonians.
JPF@60 has nailed it. Bang on. It's what is playing out before our eyes. You can't kid Evertonians.
Paul Hewitt
74 Posted 19/05/2026 at 08:57:17
74 Posted 19/05/2026 at 08:57:17
Wonder if Pep fancies a challenge?
Paul Griffiths
75 Posted 19/05/2026 at 09:10:16
75 Posted 19/05/2026 at 09:10:16
Wouldn't that be lovely, PH?
That would make him a real manager who builds, mate.
That would make him a real manager who builds, mate.
Paul Hewitt
76 Posted 19/05/2026 at 09:17:37
76 Posted 19/05/2026 at 09:17:37
Glasner would do me, PG.
Paul Griffiths
77 Posted 19/05/2026 at 09:31:47
77 Posted 19/05/2026 at 09:31:47
Agree PH
Brendan McLaughlin
78 Posted 19/05/2026 at 09:40:13
78 Posted 19/05/2026 at 09:40:13
Paul #74,
We had Ancelotti here... why not Pep?
We had Ancelotti here... why not Pep?
Paul Hewitt
79 Posted 19/05/2026 at 10:19:21
79 Posted 19/05/2026 at 10:19:21
I don't see Pep managing in the premier League again.
Christy Ring
80 Posted 19/05/2026 at 14:16:35
80 Posted 19/05/2026 at 14:16:35
I saw Lee Carsley at the game on Sunday... he wouldn't be a bad bet.
I wouldn't say he was too impressed with our performance.
I wouldn't say he was too impressed with our performance.
Jimmy Carr
81 Posted 19/05/2026 at 14:24:21
81 Posted 19/05/2026 at 14:24:21
I've shifted my position. I think Moyes should go if we can find a better and more progressive replacement.
Unfortunately, I've no faith in the owners to pull that off. It would be a risk... one I don't think they'll take.
Unfortunately, I've no faith in the owners to pull that off. It would be a risk... one I don't think they'll take.
Tony Abrahams
82 Posted 19/05/2026 at 14:39:09
82 Posted 19/05/2026 at 14:39:09
No Dibling, but at least Lee Carsley got to see George, for a few minutes though.
Jay Lewis
83 Posted 19/05/2026 at 21:26:00
83 Posted 19/05/2026 at 21:26:00
Jimmy @81 get him on 8 out of 10 does countdown in dictionary corner and make him explain what "ambition" means 😄
Jamie Crowley
84 Posted 19/05/2026 at 00:32:22
84 Posted 19/05/2026 at 00:32:22
Chris @ 70 -
My sweet summer child. There's so many more bad ones I've read in 17 years here.
Paul G @ a lot of posts -
I am flattered you took the time to respond with such a massive post.
Quick answers by paragraph:
1. True. It wasn't a lap of honor for Seamus. But who do you think was the focus of the lap of honor? Maybe the amazing servant who we bought for 60K?
2. The "you're not here" lark got a bit boring of a "local flex" for me years ago. Yes, I'm in FL. Well played.
3. I find it appalling, still as I write this, for people to not stay and clap off a legend at the end of his career. How is this a haughty attitude? See my response to Darren regarding his post and how I recognize this might be cultural. And I'd add, if I'm embarrassed it's because I actually fucking care...
4. I'm a dude on a website giving my opinion. That's who I think I am.
5. Petulant in this regard: We didn't win, we / I didn't get the result we / I thought we / I deserved, I'm not stickin' round to clap this team never mind a retiring class act of a man, I'm off. I see that as petulant and self-absorbed. I thought Seamus deserved the fans seeing him off.
I do admire your defense of your actions and the majority of the fanbase. You do so with emotion, straightforwardness, and verve. As I said to Darren, this has to be a cultural thing that I just can't get my head around at all.
I don't understand it. I didn't like it. I thought it made our fans look very, very poor quite honestly. If that makes my self-righteous, haughty, whatever, so be it. I could cross the big ol' pond and have a beer with many Blues on this site, and just so you know, I will never, ever change my opinion of this situation. I would tell every one of them directly, man to man, it was embarrassing to me personally. I can not comprehend why the fans would leave. It is foreign to me on every level, and my revulsion of it will not subside. In my world you just... don't... do... that... So...
Have a nice day.
UTFT
My sweet summer child. There's so many more bad ones I've read in 17 years here.
Paul G @ a lot of posts -
I am flattered you took the time to respond with such a massive post.
Quick answers by paragraph:
1. True. It wasn't a lap of honor for Seamus. But who do you think was the focus of the lap of honor? Maybe the amazing servant who we bought for 60K?
2. The "you're not here" lark got a bit boring of a "local flex" for me years ago. Yes, I'm in FL. Well played.
3. I find it appalling, still as I write this, for people to not stay and clap off a legend at the end of his career. How is this a haughty attitude? See my response to Darren regarding his post and how I recognize this might be cultural. And I'd add, if I'm embarrassed it's because I actually fucking care...
4. I'm a dude on a website giving my opinion. That's who I think I am.
5. Petulant in this regard: We didn't win, we / I didn't get the result we / I thought we / I deserved, I'm not stickin' round to clap this team never mind a retiring class act of a man, I'm off. I see that as petulant and self-absorbed. I thought Seamus deserved the fans seeing him off.
I do admire your defense of your actions and the majority of the fanbase. You do so with emotion, straightforwardness, and verve. As I said to Darren, this has to be a cultural thing that I just can't get my head around at all.
I don't understand it. I didn't like it. I thought it made our fans look very, very poor quite honestly. If that makes my self-righteous, haughty, whatever, so be it. I could cross the big ol' pond and have a beer with many Blues on this site, and just so you know, I will never, ever change my opinion of this situation. I would tell every one of them directly, man to man, it was embarrassing to me personally. I can not comprehend why the fans would leave. It is foreign to me on every level, and my revulsion of it will not subside. In my world you just... don't... do... that... So...
Have a nice day.
UTFT
Paul Griffiths
85 Posted 20/05/2026 at 06:35:15
85 Posted 20/05/2026 at 06:35:15
Good on you for sticking to your guns Jamie. But you still don't get it. This was not a tribute to Coleman it our USUAL ANNUAL end of season lap of the ground with kids etc. You are wrong; your premise is redundant; and yes you look haughty but rather more silly.
Wake-up call, yes this is not your 'world'. You should never judge a world you do not understand on the terms of your own particular world.
Read the posts on this and other threads and get 'educated' on why you are wrong. You are in a tadpole minority. Everyone else gets it. I find it arrogant, quite frankly, that you in 'your world' are telling nearly everyone else that they are wrong.
I raised the FL issue in the hope that you would understand the frustrations of people who pay and travel to watch us and have put up with so much shite who woiuld rather not stay for the season's end erm lap of honour.
You keep being told that this was not an event for Coleman. It wasn't. I'm sure that something is in the works and planning. If nobody shows up you can the unleash your TransAtlantic moral fury.
'I would tell every one of them directly, man to man'.
Friendly caution Jamie. Yep, you clearly don't get the culture. Call them 'petulant children' 'man to man' and make sure to bring a First Aid kit with you.
Get it in your head man - this was NOT a tribute to Seamus.
Wake-up call, yes this is not your 'world'. You should never judge a world you do not understand on the terms of your own particular world.
Read the posts on this and other threads and get 'educated' on why you are wrong. You are in a tadpole minority. Everyone else gets it. I find it arrogant, quite frankly, that you in 'your world' are telling nearly everyone else that they are wrong.
I raised the FL issue in the hope that you would understand the frustrations of people who pay and travel to watch us and have put up with so much shite who woiuld rather not stay for the season's end erm lap of honour.
You keep being told that this was not an event for Coleman. It wasn't. I'm sure that something is in the works and planning. If nobody shows up you can the unleash your TransAtlantic moral fury.
'I would tell every one of them directly, man to man'.
Friendly caution Jamie. Yep, you clearly don't get the culture. Call them 'petulant children' 'man to man' and make sure to bring a First Aid kit with you.
Get it in your head man - this was NOT a tribute to Seamus.
Mick O\\\'Malley
86 Posted 20/05/2026 at 08:12:50
86 Posted 20/05/2026 at 08:12:50
Ffs yet again Coleman is not a servant, he is a very highly paid footballer, one of thousands weve had over the years, I wouldn't stand and clap any football team after the garbage we've had served up, I don't give a flying fuck who is retiring, win us a trophy or get us into Europe then I'll show my appreciation
John Pickles
87 Posted 20/05/2026 at 08:45:13
87 Posted 20/05/2026 at 08:45:13
This is the official club e-mail sent to subscribers regarding the match:
'Everton host their final home game of the 2026/27 Premier League season against Sunderland at Hill Dickinson Stadium on Sunday 17 May (KO 3pm). Supporters will be able to access the stadium via the Regent Road wall from 12pm, with turnstiles opening at 1pm.
BarberBoss are taking over the Budweiser Plaza, and alongside various entertainment, competitions and giveaways, are supporting Everton in the Community with a donation that Evertonians can take part in!
Ahead of the game, Everton and Sunderland supporters will come together to mark what would have been Bradley Lowery's 15th birthday with a banner in his honour, which will stretch from the upper tier of the North East corner down into the lower section, housing visiting fans.
During the game, the 1878's Supporters Group are asking supporters to applaud in the 26th minute in tribute to Michael Jones, the Evertonian who sadly passed away during the construction of Hill Dickinson Stadium. Saturday would have been Michael's 26th birthday.
Following the full-time whistle, manager David Moyes and his players will hold a post-match lap of appreciation. Fans are asked to remain in their seats.'
Nothing about Seamus and his family!
'Everton host their final home game of the 2026/27 Premier League season against Sunderland at Hill Dickinson Stadium on Sunday 17 May (KO 3pm). Supporters will be able to access the stadium via the Regent Road wall from 12pm, with turnstiles opening at 1pm.
BarberBoss are taking over the Budweiser Plaza, and alongside various entertainment, competitions and giveaways, are supporting Everton in the Community with a donation that Evertonians can take part in!
Ahead of the game, Everton and Sunderland supporters will come together to mark what would have been Bradley Lowery's 15th birthday with a banner in his honour, which will stretch from the upper tier of the North East corner down into the lower section, housing visiting fans.
During the game, the 1878's Supporters Group are asking supporters to applaud in the 26th minute in tribute to Michael Jones, the Evertonian who sadly passed away during the construction of Hill Dickinson Stadium. Saturday would have been Michael's 26th birthday.
Following the full-time whistle, manager David Moyes and his players will hold a post-match lap of appreciation. Fans are asked to remain in their seats.'
Nothing about Seamus and his family!
Mark Murphy
88 Posted 20/05/2026 at 08:53:33
88 Posted 20/05/2026 at 08:53:33
I play 5 a sides in a green St Paddy's day Everton shirt with Seamus 23 on the back. I love the man.
But Moyes was wrong on so many fronts to bring him on at 2-1 with the game still in reach and hung him out to dry.
Sadly, Seamus isn't good enough to play Premier League football and I'm convinced Moyes was just giving him a cameo for sentimental reasons rather than with the points in mind.
The recent drop-off makes me wonder if Moyes is giving Europe a swerve as he knows we aren't ready for it?
But Moyes was wrong on so many fronts to bring him on at 2-1 with the game still in reach and hung him out to dry.
Sadly, Seamus isn't good enough to play Premier League football and I'm convinced Moyes was just giving him a cameo for sentimental reasons rather than with the points in mind.
The recent drop-off makes me wonder if Moyes is giving Europe a swerve as he knows we aren't ready for it?
Paul Griffiths
89 Posted 20/05/2026 at 09:11:20
89 Posted 20/05/2026 at 09:11:20
Exactly John - 87. Thank you. Will you read this please Jamie C and xxxxxx learn about what we do at Everton last home game of the season?
'Following the full-time whistle, manager David Moyes and his players will hold a post-match lap of appreciation. Fans are asked to remain in their seats.'
Nothing about Seamus and his family!'
You reading this Jamie?
You need to apologise lad.
You're embarrassing yourself with scousers and others.
'Following the full-time whistle, manager David Moyes and his players will hold a post-match lap of appreciation. Fans are asked to remain in their seats.'
Nothing about Seamus and his family!'
You reading this Jamie?
You need to apologise lad.
You're embarrassing yourself with scousers and others.
Andrew Grey
90 Posted 20/05/2026 at 09:52:51
90 Posted 20/05/2026 at 09:52:51
It seems that a lot of fans at the game last Sunday didn't realise what happens every year at the last home game of the season.
I thought that was a bit strange but then I remembered that we have 13,000 more fans at home games this season, many of whom would not have ever been to a 'last home game' and probably didn't read the email.
The way I look at it is that the last game 'Lap of appreciation' was originally for the players to clap and show their appreciation to the fans for their season of support, NOT for us to thank the players.
So I guess if some fans didn't want their thanks that's ok. It's just a shame it coincided with SC's last appearance.
I would be surprised if Seamus didn't get a testimonial where he would most likely donate any profits to his favourite charity, we could all say thank you then.
Not the end of the world. (That's on Sunday for Tottenham, I hope!)
I thought that was a bit strange but then I remembered that we have 13,000 more fans at home games this season, many of whom would not have ever been to a 'last home game' and probably didn't read the email.
The way I look at it is that the last game 'Lap of appreciation' was originally for the players to clap and show their appreciation to the fans for their season of support, NOT for us to thank the players.
So I guess if some fans didn't want their thanks that's ok. It's just a shame it coincided with SC's last appearance.
I would be surprised if Seamus didn't get a testimonial where he would most likely donate any profits to his favourite charity, we could all say thank you then.
Not the end of the world. (That's on Sunday for Tottenham, I hope!)
Paul Griffiths
91 Posted 20/05/2026 at 10:11:03
91 Posted 20/05/2026 at 10:11:03
Jamie, do you believe that the 2020 election was rigged and that Trump is right to pay compensation to Jan-6 thugs from tax dollars and also a day or two after he bought shares to big up those same companies from his presidential voice box?
John Pickles
92 Posted 20/05/2026 at 10:19:21
92 Posted 20/05/2026 at 10:19:21
Andrew
I wanted their appreciation to the fans during the previous 96 minutes, by fighting to bring European football, any European football to them. I wanted their application, desire and commitment not a meaningless token gesture.
They, more than anyone, spoiled Seamus's last home match.
A testimonial would be a better send-off, and I imagine, very well attended.
I wanted their appreciation to the fans during the previous 96 minutes, by fighting to bring European football, any European football to them. I wanted their application, desire and commitment not a meaningless token gesture.
They, more than anyone, spoiled Seamus's last home match.
A testimonial would be a better send-off, and I imagine, very well attended.
Andrew Grey
93 Posted 20/05/2026 at 11:23:51
93 Posted 20/05/2026 at 11:23:51
John - 92
Absolutely!
Absolutely!
Paul Griffiths
94 Posted 21/05/2026 at 03:44:38
94 Posted 21/05/2026 at 03:44:38
Top post John (@92).
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1 Posted 18/05/2026 at 09:32:28
What caught us was poor squad management. There needs to be a steady rotation of players so the first team stays fit and the subs all have match fitness so when they come on, or rotate in, they can have an impact.
I'll go all the way back to the league cup. We were on a good run, ignoring the sage advice to never change a winning team, Moyes made a huge amount of sweeping changes to give other players a chance.
But you can't make that many changes at once without the team feeling like they never played together. We got a terrible performance, got dumped out and for most of those players that was the end of that. A bunch of cameos at best. 2-5 minutes here and there.
We ended the season with a first team that couldn't play past 75 mins and a bench that couldn't impact a game.
A stat popped up on screen on Sunday saying Everton were one of the worst for giving away goals in the 76+ min mark with 9. That was soon to be 11 as our players huffed and puffed around, making silly errors.