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Bolton Wanderers 0 - 0 Everton

Everton continue their pre-season runouts with a short trip into the heart of Lancashire and the home of Bolton Wanderers.

David Moyes continues to be hampered by circumstances and squad limitations while his recruitment team have come up with very little so far to boost his numbers. 

Jarrad Branthwaite (wearing Number 4) makes a massive return to fitness and is named in the starting lineup, but solitary new signing Hayden Hackney is still not involved. Also missing is Tyler Dibling, with a minor knock. Both young players are expected to feature against Stoke City on Tuesday.

James Garner has had surgery on his groin problem and is now in recovery, but Mykolenko rejoins the squad after taking off last week for the birth of his second child. George Pickford (no relation) from the U21s is the third goalkeeper named after Travers and King.  

First Half

The home side kicked off and most of the play was in Everton's half until O'Brien sent a ball forward for Barry to chase. The Bolton keeper came out and mis-headed it, colliding with Barry, who was deemed to have committed the foul. 

Everton should have had a corner with Merlin Rohl overlapping but the linesman missed the Bolton player's last touch. Bolton resumed control of the game in Everton's half and Rodriguez tried to beat Travers from the corner of the penalty area, the Blues' reserve keeper pulling off an excellent acrobatic save to tip the shot over his bar. 

Everton came forward and Aznou played a lovely ball to Barry's feet but he completely failed to shoot first time and the defender was in quickly.

Barry's cross was headed behind for an Everton corner, taken short, the cross earning another corner but Everton's feeble efforts were easily repelled. 

Iroegbunam was doing a good job as stopper, while the homer referee was happy to ignore Bolton fouls. A Bolton header fell just wide with Travers tracking it. 

McNeil took a great pass from Tarkowski and delivered a perfect cross for Barry who headed inches wide of the far post. A brilliant first-time low cross from Merlin Rohl was finished perfectly by Barry close in but he was flagged for a marginal offside. 

Bolton got in behind Aznou and he recovered well to put the striker off his shot. At the other end, Aznou and Barry worked an opening but could not deliver a decent cross. 

Barry played a nice ball forward to Armstrong who then set him up for a strike on goal but the big man failed to put his laces through it and could only pass the ball weakly back to the keeper.

Not really a very impressive display but Everton started playing forward a bit more before the break. But the lack of incisive goalscoring skills either up front or in midfield is glaringly obvious.

Second Half

A simply bizarre piece of play by Barry in an advanced position, only one defender ahead of him, and without looking, instead of shooting, he passes the ball to his left, where the ghost of Alan Ball was overlapping behind him, and straight out of play!  Simply astounding to watch!

A good Bolton headed effort forced a fine save from King, on in place of Travers, with Keane doing a job on the striker. 

Barry was so easily dispossessed in midfield... just shocking. Moyes had at least noticed and was quick to put Beto on in his place. 

McNeil worked the ball to Merlin Rohl who fired across the keeper, but it was parried away. George and Dewsbury-Hall worked it well on the left but the cross evaded everyone. 

Time for a few Bolton changes on the hour mark. 

A nice ball over the top looked to have landed nicely for Beto but he seemed befuddled by the bounce and proceeded to welly it well high and wide. Shockingly poor.  

Bolton won a corner with a shot that King had to parry behind. Dewsbury-Hall was cynically pulled back by the shirt: yellow card. 

McNeil thought he would show them how to shoot... but no, his effort was just as poor as everyone else's. Bolton pressed forward as result, winning a corner off Keane. 

George tried a bold cross-field pass to McNeil that flew past him and straight out of play before Bolton rang a slew of changes. 

Graham won a free-kick wide left, but nothing came from it. Dewsbury-Hall then crossing over everyone. More Bolton changes further broke up play.

George paltyed a beautiful ball in for Beto who just stumbled and bumbled and lost the ball! Even more shocking play from the highly paid Everton strikers! It really is pitiful.

A George free-kick was headed back by Tarkowski but Keane completely misdirected his header, nowhere near goal. Three more Everton subs made with 10 minutes left.  

Bolton put on a good move that needed Mykolenko to intervene on the stretch, at the expense of a corner that was cleared. 

From a long way out Malik Olayiwola took a great shot at goal, but too close to the keeper. A ball down the middle for Bolton was fired into the side netting. 

And that was that. A good workout, perhaps, but it clearly showed an immense amont of work and improvement required... or a lot of new faces required. 

Everton Line-Up:

Everton: Travers (46' King), Aznou (46' Mykolenko), Branthwaite (46' Keane), Tarkowski (82' Finney), O’Brien (82' Campbell), Röhl (73' Foster), Armstrong (46' Dewsbury-Hall), Iroegbunam (73' Graham), Alcaraz (46' George), McNeil (82' Olayiwola), Barry (53' Beto).  

Subs not Used: G Pickford, Tamen.

 

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Eric Myles
1 Posted 25/07/2026 at 13:59:45
Is Garner injured?

O'Brien at right back?
Michael Kenrick
2 Posted 25/07/2026 at 14:01:30
The absence of Tyler Dibling is a massive blow.

Not training hard enough for Moyes?
Not tracking back to defend?
Not doing enough work off the ball?
Not arranging the cones properly?
Eric Myles
3 Posted 25/07/2026 at 14:02:52
Probably homesick, Michael.
Mike Powell
4 Posted 25/07/2026 at 14:04:01
Or maybe just not good enough...

What ever the reason, it doesn't look good for the lad.
Luke Welch
5 Posted 25/07/2026 at 14:16:44
I know there's a month left, but the fact Jake O'Brien is still playing right-back is making me think the owners are only going to do enough to keep us in the Premier League.

However, seeing all the events lined up at the new ground suggests that's where money is. Let's see... but, at this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if they sold the stadium and we rent it.
Jay Harris
6 Posted 25/07/2026 at 14:20:43
Or a back 3 with Rohl and Aznou as wing backs?
Kevin Naylor
7 Posted 25/07/2026 at 14:43:17
11/4 Bolton on their own ground looks pretty fair.
Ian Bennett
8 Posted 25/07/2026 at 14:43:20
Garner has had surgery, and wont be fit till the start of the season.

Big blow.
Jack Convery
9 Posted 25/07/2026 at 14:48:08
Luke my thoughts exactly. It seems to me, TFG are not interested in the team, just stability. The fact Gana Gueye was not picked during the run-in to last season speaks volumes.

Qualifying for Europe would have meant real investment. Something they apparently did not want to do.

As for Tyler Dibling, unless he is injured, the writing is on the wall. A loan to a progressive European club may be in order. PSV did Branthwaite a heap of good, something similar may aid Dibling.
Mike Hayes
10 Posted 25/07/2026 at 14:57:24
If Dibling isn’t injured could be going out on loan or sold 🤷💙
Luke Welch
11 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:03:08
When they said it was a two-window transfer plan, I thought okay! At least they have a plan! Well, at least targets in mind that they would keep tabs on until this window, and be ready to pounce.

It's just not looking like that's the case.

Also, Moyes in his last year, means players don't really know what they're signing up for. All seems half-arsed.
Eric Myles
12 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:08:41
You been smoking that wacky baccy again Jay #6?
Sean O\\\'Hanlon
13 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:13:44
Fairly comfortable for Bolton so far. They have Everton penned into their own half. No shots from the Blues.
Tom Bowers
14 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:14:10
So far with only Barry up front we don't look like scoring.
Tom Bowers
15 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:15:07
Great save by Travers.
Pavel Ivanov
16 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:15:41
https://livetv.sx/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=3041307&lang=bg&eid=393039954&lid=3041307&ci=5&si=1

Working nicely. No commentary.
Tom Bowers
17 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:16:52
Barry goes down lack a sack of spuds.No pen.
Sean O\\\'Hanlon
18 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:18:41
It was indeed a great save Tom! #15
Tom Bowers
19 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:19:17
Anyone else remember the old Bolton ground and the FA Cup semi-final of 1966?
Tom Bowers
20 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:20:37
Barry ball control 100 percent rubbish
Peter Thistle
21 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:21:19
https://ntvs.cx/watch/kobra/bolton-wanderers-vs-everton-2502567
David Hallwood
22 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:23:21
Is TFG not willing to spend money, or are they unhappy that they spent £40M last season onone lad and he wasn't used???
Tom Bowers
23 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:26:02
Rohl showing a lot of zest.
Tom Bowers
24 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:27:15
Good to see Jarrad Branthwaite back.
Frank Worrall
25 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:28:50
At least Aznou is proving Moyes wrong! Maybe it has dawned on the boss that Aznou wouldn't be a Morocco international player if he didn't have something about him?
Tom Bowers
26 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:31:01
Nice work by Barry. So close.
Tom Bowers
27 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:32:23
That was a good goal by Barry but offside??
Sean O\\\'Hanlon
28 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:34:04
Good headed goal from Barry, but offside. Very dubious.

Great move and cross from McNeil.
Tom Bowers
29 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:34:19
Tim a little over zealous as usual.
Tom Bowers
30 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:40:11
Great work by Aznou.
Tom Bowers
31 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:41:29
Barry has the speed of a rhino.
Tom Bowers
32 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:44:46
Barry misses a sitter.
Si Cooper
33 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:50:40
Tom (31), if that is meant as an insult you may need to check out what speeds rhinos can achieve flat out.
Geoff Trenner
34 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:51:06
We can’t start the season with Barry up top
Paul Kossoff
35 Posted 25/07/2026 at 15:59:19
Ipswich Town have signed Japan forward Daizen Maeda from Celtic on a three-year contract.

The 28-year-old, who has joined the Premier League side in a reported £10m deal,, external was part of his country's squad at the 2026 World Cup and helped them reach the last 32 before they were knocked out by Brazil.

Maeda scored 79 goals in 212 appearances at Celtic, where he won five league titles, three Scottish Cups and two League cups.
Ten million. Why were we not in for him? Are Ipswich the better option now. or is it that our recruitment "team" are in fact Incompetent, I'll go with incompetent.
Jim Bennings
36 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:00:16
Garner ruled out for a month.

Fuck me, you couldn't make it up with us.
Jeff Spiers
37 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:03:20
Tom19. Too right!!
Phil Roberts
38 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:08:42
Jack #9
Just a thought

What I have discovered is UEFA’s Squad Cost Ratio limits a club’s on-pitch spending to a maximum of 70% of its total revenue. All Premier League clubs in European competitions will still have to adhere to this limit, while clubs not competing in Europe will have a higher threshold of 85%.

Paul the Esk's view is our revenue is ~£250m. If we had made Europe then we would have to have spent £35-40m less on the squad to comply with UEFA and that maybe meant not bringing in the players to be able to compete and also to ensure we did not get relegated. Look at United, Spurs, Forest, Palace and Newcastle over the last couple of seasons.

So was there a message from TFG to say - drop a few points, make sure we don't get in - allow 85% for 26/27 and push for Europe in 27/28?

We will never know, but with money men in charge would you risk not having enough players and getting relegated due to a lack of squad depth?

And no, I don't believe the CIA killed Kennedy or the moon landings were faked and a few other conspiracy theories.
Andy Meighan
39 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:15:20
I'm tired saying this, but I'm going to say it again.

Who looked or scouted that Barry and thought mmmm looks good him..

Because believe me they haven't got a clue, and this is coming from a man who's seen Belfitt Harper, Wright as in Bernard Spencer Ferguson Mick not Dunc and countless others,this chump is the worst of the best, if you get my meaning.

Sick of the shit recruitment get some footballers in, please.
Tom Bowers
40 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:15:23
A few changes should produce a goal.George looking sharpe.
Tom Bowers
41 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:18:48
Rubbish Beto !!!
Dan Nulty
42 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:18:58
Phil, have to say that crossed my mind; however, I believe if that had been true, Moyes would have played the youngsters,

No way in this day and age he could have said to the older players: Don't win today.
Andy Meighan
43 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:22:26
Tom 19.
I do indeed remember the old Burnden Park, was meant to be going that day at the tender age of 7, unfortunately my uncle only got 1 ticket and it was his.

Still Colin scorecd the only goal and got us through, what a side we were.
Sean O\\\'Hanlon
44 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:22:48
Hi Mike Kenrick. Any chance when the teamsheet is listed, ToffeeWeb could add the squad numbers of the players? Makes it easier following the game especially when the subs come on. Cheers
Tom Bowers
45 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:23:46
Sorry, Dwight, but you're past your best, whatever that was.
Frank Worrall
46 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:24:37
Just learned about Ipswich buying Maeda, who we have been "scouting" for weeks! The player was eager for a move to the Premier League at a very realistic price, so why did we not nab him when we had the chance?

Yet another example of our useless recruitment team's incompetence!
Tom Bowers
47 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:24:59
Tarkowski and Keane a no-no combination.
Jim Bennings
48 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:26:06
I'll be honest, I reckon if we still see most of these players starting after the close of the transfer window, patience will very quickly evaporate amongst the fan base.

The end of last season turned the crystals for many, the summer window hasn't exactly brought much in the way of optimism.
Tom Bowers
49 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:26:27
Bolton bringing on five subs. We are in trouble now.
Jeff Armstrong
50 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:26:47
O'Brien showing his deficiencies going forward at RB,Myko same at LB, McNeil losing the ball as regularly as ever,Rohl good one minute, wasteful the next, Tim same normal service resumes.

At least George offers something different. Dewsbury-Hall tidy... I'm desperate for Hackney to get fit and bring his driving runs to the table.
Tom Bowers
51 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:29:58
Foster on for Rohl.
Bill Gall
52 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:30:02
When is Hackney going to be fit to play?

Or my other question is: Why did we pay all that money for an unfit player???
Shaun Parker
53 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:34:34
Correct me if I'm wrong but young Graham is a number 9? A striker?

So why the fucking hell has Moyes put him on wide left?

For fuck's sake... play a player in their position, man.
Tom Bowers
54 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:36:49
Okay I know it's a friendly and it's Bolton and basically a reason to get match fit but the same problems exist.

Everton's offence won't frighten most Premier League defences.
Tom Bowers
55 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:38:20
Poor effort by Keane.
Tom Bowers
56 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:39:28
Some more youngsters on for Everton.
Clive Rogers
57 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:46:14
Shaun, 53, it's one of Moyes's most annoying habits. It's probably because Graham is small and he likes a big man up front.

He stuck Armstrong out on the left a few times last season and his form dipped. He's not good at developing youngsters.
Tom Bowers
58 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:47:31
Great result for Bolton. Bring on Stoke.
Sean O\\\'Hanlon
59 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:47:37
Beto & Keane also shite. Woeful performance.
Peter Thistle
60 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:48:34
We need some proper players cos this squad is terrible.
Steve Brown
61 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:49:12
Who is a worse player, Barry or Beto?

Tough question.
Phil Roberts
62 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:51:18
Clive - read the piece about Dibling? Someone commenting that he is basically totally opposite to Johnny Morrissey who was so hard, defenders were frightened of him.

So you want 18-year-old Braiden Graham to be mixing it with the hard men at the centre of the Bolton defence? I can see that going well.
Ian Wilkins
63 Posted 25/07/2026 at 16:54:55
Pre-season building fitness, but we have a squad of players who look lightweight and short on quality.

We need to add some quality and character fairly quickly.
Jack Convery
64 Posted 25/07/2026 at 17:00:46
Tough day at ToughSheet.

Next.
Dale Self
65 Posted 25/07/2026 at 17:02:16
Peter 60, if I'm reading you correctly, we need some players that wear black boots.
Joe McMahon
66 Posted 25/07/2026 at 17:02:42
Reminds of the friendly v Blackburn last year.

So very Moyes!
Mike Gaynes
67 Posted 25/07/2026 at 17:08:00
Very concerned with the news about Garner.

There is no such thing as minor groin surgery for a footballer.
Jay Harris
68 Posted 25/07/2026 at 17:16:49
Eric #12,

It looks like the Waccy baccy worked as my forecast was totally correct!!
Jay Harris
69 Posted 25/07/2026 at 17:25:15
Steve #61,

You should delete 'player' from the question as that does not seem appropriate in either case.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
70 Posted 25/07/2026 at 17:32:29
Unless, Mike, it's a hernia, which I'm hopeful it is given the short projected timeline for return.

And for the record, I have zero medical expertise, but that's where my mind went when I read that. Although, if that were the case, you'd think they'd say it was a hernia.
Ian Bennett
71 Posted 25/07/2026 at 17:46:28
I'd think it is a hernia with that recovery time.
Anthony Dove
72 Posted 25/07/2026 at 17:58:33
It's being said that Moyes is not playing Hackney because he is still ‘integrating' — not because he's unfit.

If it wasn't Moyes involved, I wouldn't
believe a word.
Bill Gall
73 Posted 25/07/2026 at 18:11:24
A good write up, Michael.
On your comment, "or a lot of new faces required".

The problem that needs answering to that statement is, do we have the right people in the club, including the manager, to bring in the right players to improve the team?

Moyes it seems is quite content with the squad he has, never mind bringing in more players -- that we most probably cannot afford.
Luke Welch
74 Posted 25/07/2026 at 18:12:13
I didn't watch it today because, looking at line up, it was as expected.

Think Moyes might be a problem in more ways than one.
George Cumiskey
75 Posted 25/07/2026 at 18:25:57
I was at the match... the friendliest of friendlies -- no aggression whatsoever.

The only thing we learned from that match was we've still got the worst two strikers in the Premier League. 🫣
Jim Bennings
76 Posted 25/07/2026 at 18:30:19
The people at the club seem quite comfortable with that fact that we have no full-backs fit for modern-day purpose and two strikers that most of the time look like they have won a raffle for a place in a Premier League football team.

A long season beckons...
Allan Board
77 Posted 25/07/2026 at 18:34:10
Moyes still in charge. Same shit, different season coming up.

Why so worried about Garner being injured? Hackney is already better than him -- but our genius manager will find a suitable wide right berth for him, or even right-back!

Garner is our best full-back -- play him there. Hackney and Armstrong in central midfield... get Tim Iroegbunam to do the fetching for them, with Aznou at left-back.

Buy a bloody striker! Football? Now? Holidays, Fellas!!! See Ya!!!
Billy Shears
78 Posted 25/07/2026 at 18:35:58
We need better up front...

Richarlison on a season long loan... same with Delap.

Sell Barry; keep Beto as a third choice... methinks.
George Cumiskey
79 Posted 25/07/2026 at 18:38:36
I was more impressed with Bolton than Everton.
Paul Hewitt
80 Posted 25/07/2026 at 18:52:51
I'm fuming that Ipswich have signed Meada for only £10M.
Jay Harris
81 Posted 25/07/2026 at 19:27:13
And Fatawu for less than £20M, Paul.

So much for our “elite” recruitment team.

Humble Ipswich are beating us to players we were reportedly interested in.
Clive Rogers
82 Posted 25/07/2026 at 19:35:51
Phil, 62,

He's a striker, why play him somewhere else?
Brian Foley
83 Posted 25/07/2026 at 19:42:52
When Everton (of Liverpool) came up on the agenda, I think TFG thought it was Liverpool.
Dave Lynch
84 Posted 25/07/2026 at 20:08:16
I'm gonna make a prediction now!

We will be in a relegation battle this coming season.

This is getting beyond a fucking joke, same old faces in smelly out-of-position places and not a signing on the horizon.

I've lost interest already and it hasn't even started yet.
Shaun Parker
85 Posted 25/07/2026 at 20:13:06
Yes, it's only pre-season, a game to sharpen up match fitness etc... but Christ, do we look shit awful.

Wayyyy too many players past their best, but Moyes will not change a thing. Another dull season coming up.
Gary Borrows
86 Posted 25/07/2026 at 20:23:26
If it's possible Moysie watching that shite the awful set up the players like Rohl and O'Brien playing out of position with McNeil the McSnail? Why was he even on the field???

And to top it all, our Player of the Season is out for how long? 4 weeks, my arse!!! November. Not much to lift the clouds, lad. No way am I wasting any hard-earned cash going to a pre-season game.

Get ready with the boos when the team sheet is called out for Palace game -- the place will be booing when the same old crap is rolled out.
Andrew McLawrence
87 Posted 25/07/2026 at 20:26:16
Agree with Dave Lynch
Jonathan Oppenheimer
88 Posted 25/07/2026 at 21:06:44
So much negativity on here.

As long as we bring in a starting right-back, as long as Ndiaye or Grealish is with us, and along with a healthy Dibling and Hackney, and Garner not out past the end of September, we'll be just fine.

I'm as frustrated as anyone with Barry, and my hope is we get a loan in up top to compete with the two we have, but we're not going to solve all of our problems this window. Even better if someone gives us £15-20M for Barry and we never see him again, but unlikely.

If suitable offers come in for Patterson, McNeil, Alcaraz and Iroegbunam, we'll sell. Otherwise they're all competent squad players for where we are now.

No new right-back and I'll be as angry as the moaning rest of you.
Mike Gaynes
89 Posted 25/07/2026 at 21:13:21
Paul Kossoff #35, or maybe our recruitment team decided that 79 goals in 212 appearances for the far-and-away most dominant club in a pathetically weak Scottish league just wasn't good enough.

The SPFL is currently ranked #42 in the world by FIFA, way down there under the Cyprus league and Hungary and Romania and Serie B.

Maeda has scored a goal every 196 minutes while backed by the most potent club in the SPFL against the likes of Livingston, St Mirren and that goalkeeper we just saw from Dundee.

By contrast, Beto last season -- in the toughest league in the world -- scored a goal every 174 minutes.

Yeah, Maeda scored a fine goal in the World Cup. But it was only his 4th for Japan in 27 international appearances.

So why weren't we in for him? Seems pretty obvious to me. Even if it doesn't to the fuming Paul Hewitt #80.

We need a striker who will actually score goals against top competition.

Maeda ain't it.
Andrew Merrick
90 Posted 25/07/2026 at 22:23:11
Pre-season training, yes, but really uninspiring. I only watched the second half, but we looked like we were training against equals.

There were moments when you would expect a routine finish... but it didn't happen. I did see a bit of frustration from some senior players; that frustrated me too.

I liked seeing a few young guys get subbed on, not all in their best positions, but I enjoyed them getting some game time. But overall, it was disappointing.
Tony Abrahams
91 Posted 25/07/2026 at 22:27:48
"We will be just fine" -- obviously depends on what you want from Everton this season, Jonathan, mate.

I'm not being negative, I'm just completely bored. I've been an Everton fanatic for nearly all my life but the way I feel right now after waiting so long for a new beginning is that I've actually preferred these summer months not having to think about watching Everton playing next season.

I have got my season ticket but the optimism and anticipation that I had this time last year when I was really excited and looking forward to moving into our new home, has diminished rapidly.
Derek Knox
92 Posted 25/07/2026 at 22:33:31
Tony A, as you know, I am a bit older and hitherto, almost equally passionate about Everton, but I feel exactly the same way. Years of mediocrity, regarding Premier League survival as success, has killed it off. A succession of mostly second-rate managers, the present being a prime example -- though he is not the worst.

Yet they still try to rip fans off, as a recognition of their loyalty!

I feel so sorry for those fans who travelled to Bolton today, not a million miles but would have presumably been the same if it had been South Coast opposition.
Les Callan
93 Posted 25/07/2026 at 22:53:45
Johnathan @88. I wished I shared your optimism.

I was there today. Absolutely abysmal. Can't wait for Stoke.
Sean Kearns
94 Posted 25/07/2026 at 22:55:40
The second-half back 4 was O'Brien, Tarkowski, Keane and Mykolenko… What the actual fuck!…. Are we being tortured?!…. Michael Keane wasn't good enough 10 years ago!!

Yes, 10 bloody years he's been here. Last season he played 33 bastard games, for fuck's sake!… Get the Twin Towers at the back and have Tarkowski on the bench for back-up. Tarky is just a bully, and I love a physical game just as much as anyone else, but we need something more!

Jake gives it away sometimes but only because he's actually trying to play football and pass it about. He'll get much better…. And oh yes, Barry is a fucking joke!!!
Jonathan Oppenheimer
95 Posted 25/07/2026 at 23:23:59
Tony, Derek, Les...

Yes, much of my feelings are due to my experience as an Evertonian. I suffered through only the past decade, with the awful feeling of relegation fears for half that time.

The last thing I want is mid-table mediocrity, but while I'm not on here defending TFG or the rest of our leadership team, it's hard for me to believe that they're settling for being average. Dibling and Barry may have been short-sighted panic buys, but they didn't reflect lack of ambition. Nor do the Hackney or George signings.

So to be clear, I'm not here jumping for joy, but rather not willing to panic or throw up my hands after an uninspiring pre-season match 2 weeks into training either.

I'm just encouraging us all to continue to enjoy our summer, retain a modicum of optimism, and save our outrage for the Palace match when Keane is starting, O'Brien is on the right, and Barry is falling over his feet. Then I'll be right there with you guys.
Paul Kossoff
96 Posted 25/07/2026 at 00:54:10
Mike, 89.

Sportsman's bet: who scores the most, Maeda, Barry or Beto?
I bet Maeda.
Steve Brown
97 Posted 26/07/2026 at 02:03:31
Apathy and boredom seem to be the main sentiment among Everton fans this summer.

As for Hackney, his 6-month spell on the bench to “watch and learn” has begun.

Blame your agent, lad.
Mike Gaynes
98 Posted 26/07/2026 at 02:54:23
Wow, what a sportsman you are, Paul. Clever trying to bet a starter against two guys splitting the job.

But Maeda won't even displace Hirst, who will score more than any of the three you mentioned.

In return I'll bet you Maeda scores 6 or less.

(And our new striker Troy Parrott bags 14. ;-)))
Bob Parrington
99 Posted 26/07/2026 at 03:55:38
Phil @ 38,

I love conspiracy theory because the denial can be so harsh that it likely is right.

Clever, this one. Glad you posted it!
Paul Griffiths
100 Posted 26/07/2026 at 04:54:20
Surely, Mike, we would have picked up Parrott by now if we were really interested.

No World Cup complications there. I mean he's not hard to spot and takes very little recruiting.
Eric Myles
101 Posted 26/07/2026 at 05:42:37
Steve #97, Hackney is injured.

This is going to be a Baines Coleman myth all over again.
Eric Myles
102 Posted 26/07/2026 at 05:45:27
Bob #99, well you know that the difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact is 6 months?
Steve Brown
103 Posted 26/07/2026 at 06:45:41
Ah okay Eric.
Brian Foley
104 Posted 26/07/2026 at 06:54:57
Mike Gaynes, I don't want an argument but I sincerely hope you are wrong and Paul Kossoff wins the sportsman's bet.

I am aghast that Maeda has gone to Ipswich for peanuts. Really hope his industry is rewarded there. One thing for sure: Ipswich will give him massive game time, I think he'll get a dozen.

I don't care for Barry at all, and Beto is only likeable because he does at least try.
Paul Griffiths
105 Posted 26/07/2026 at 07:06:24
Brian, mate, I watch most Celtic matches - my 3rd team after Marine - and I completely agree. Maeda is a touch of class and is so much more than a scorer. If only we could have had two picks from Japan's starting XI.

I would never want Hirst with us, Mike, but would take Maeda all day long, mate.
Darren Hind
106 Posted 26/07/2026 at 07:35:59
Who scores the most: Barry, Beto and Maeda or the fella some drove out because he is "Championship at best"?

I wonder if Leeds have stopped laughing yet?
David Peate
107 Posted 26/07/2026 at 07:40:27
Sean (94),

So Michael Keane wasn't good enough 10 years ago! Six years ago he was playing for England! Wasn't he good enough to play for England then?
Paul Hewitt
108 Posted 26/07/2026 at 07:45:53
Meade isn't an out-and-out striker, he plays out wide, normally left, and moves inside.

I don't expect him to score more than 8 this season. But he would do far far more for our team than the two bollards we have up front.
Ged Simpson
109 Posted 26/07/2026 at 08:07:28
Steve 97: agree re the boredom. I have no sense of anticipation or excitement for the upcoming season.

To be honest, I have little idea if we have even a moderate team (obviously apart from the two B's upfront who are bloody terrible).

The reason I know nothing is not lack of interest in players but we seem incapable as a club at all levels. I think Moyes is massively overrated and was a backwards leap, recruitment is an issue many of us identify and using young players for more that 10 minutes would scare the crap out of our management team.

First year for decades I have been so unexcited. We have all got used to having the new stadium and, probably to the club's dismay, are turning our attention to what goes on on the pitch inside it.

How dare fans reopen their eyes again!
Brian Foley
110 Posted 26/07/2026 at 08:13:09
Two Paul’s, 105/108. Ta all agreed. Bollards very good lol.
Sean Mitchell
111 Posted 26/07/2026 at 08:16:19
As optimistic as a depressing Monday morning going to work in the pissing down rain.

At least the rain changes. Everton don’t.
Dave Abrahams
112 Posted 26/07/2026 at 08:39:21
Jonathon (95),

Yes, I understand the frustration fans on here are feeling with regard to this coming season but I agree with you that we should wait to see what the squad looks like when the transfer window is finished, then we can give vent to our feelings — good, bad or indifferent.

This will be the first season since I was a little boy that I won't be going to the game but my enthusiasm for the Blues still lasts and, like a lot of older fans, I believe little apples will grow again.
Frank Fearns
113 Posted 26/07/2026 at 08:42:19
The dull 0-0 draw sums up the current situation with our club. What else can we expect?

As I've said before, Everton's loyal supporters deserve much more.

The passivity is killing me!
Mal van Schaick
114 Posted 26/07/2026 at 08:58:09
Geared up for another season of mediocrity and relegation struggle. Typical.
Jim Bennings
115 Posted 26/07/2026 at 09:03:53
I don't really look too much at the results or even to some aspects of the performance, albeit I want to see joined-up cohesive play in some of the matches.

The thing I look for most is the players that the manager picks because you know they are going to be the ones he starts going with again, the old go-to boys, the blue-eyed boys of the manager.

It alarms me that we still see many of the same names churned out so often despite them being completely exposed as mid to bottom of the league players.

The likes of Keane, McNeil, Mykolenko have all been here for 4 very long dreary lower echelon years.

Even Tarkowski now, as much as he's been a solid player for us, you could see in the second half of last season his powers are waning considerably.

The same old tired striking options, and more to the point, the limited striking options -- will it be another whole season simply alternating between Beto and Barry?

We may totally shock everyone and sign 5 quality players between now and Deadline Day... but I somehow just don't think so.
Si Cooper
116 Posted 26/07/2026 at 09:13:59
Brian (104),

I agree with Mike, in that being possibly marginally better than both Barry and Beto doesn't mean the club should have been straining at the leash to sign Maeda. It all depends on whether A N Other is going to be signed in the time remaining until the transfer window closes (some time after the new season starts?).

Mike (67),

How up-to-date / extensive is your knowledge on the groin problems of footballers? 40 years ago, I developed ‘footballers groin' which was extremely debilitating for around 6 months as I first waited for it to abate and then took the corrective actions to sort it out completely.

Acutely aware of this condition, I noticed that both Alan Shearer and Michael Owen apparently suffered from the same at some point in their prime, but being highly prized sporting assets, they both took the option of surgery available to them, which had them up and about again in a matter of weeks.

Now they may have had the advantage of earlier diagnosis as well but clearly surgery in those cases very swiftly sorted the issue. They had late 20th Century surgical know-how on their side so do any of us lay people really know what is now possible in the 2020s?

I would add, however, that I'm not impressed if what should be state-of-the-art monitoring and training regimes don't effectively prevent the current crop of highly prized sporting assets from developing avoidable groin issues.
Eric Myles
117 Posted 26/07/2026 at 09:16:38
Mal #114, the seasons of relegation struggles weren't ones of mediocrity, those were the nail biting, last match, exciting seasons.

The mediocrity seasons are the 12th-ish finishes when we have some stability.
Jim Bennings
118 Posted 26/07/2026 at 09:30:54
Last three seasons we haven't been anywhere near a relegation fight.

The last three have been mediocre which is why this 2026-27 season needs to be productive and see something seriously tangible for once.
Tony Abrahams
119 Posted 26/07/2026 at 09:54:23
I've met you briefly, Jonathan, and you didn't come across as a person who would be jumping for joy at the present situation. I'm just asking or more querying what ‘We will be fine' defines to different people with regard to our team, mate.

I remember The Bangles singing a song about our city called “Going Down To Liverpool” which was, if I can remember correctly, met with outrage in certain sections of the local media.

How can a band from Los Angles be so disrespectful? What can these young girls actually know about our city?

But they were just covering a track they had heard whilst in a recording studio, and the lyrics had already been written by an English musician who was actually criticising the way Liverpool was so obviously getting left to ruin by the Government.

I'm not saying Everton are getting left to ruin, especially because, in 20 to 30 years, the most dilapidated part of the city which had long been forgotten about (there's a few more places, I know) will possibly, probably... definitely become its own little village with a brilliant vibe....

I'm just saying that, right now, we are completely boring to anyone but a fanatical Evertonian who never sees or never has anything bad to say about the club.

With the help of European money, Liverpool began to find its feet again and is now a destination enjoyed by countless tourists (Liverpool fans) and also visitors who come to see the sights and enjoy themselves!

Hopefully the same can happen for Everton Football Club because, when I think about my football club right now, I think that the lyrics to that Bangles song are pretty apt with regards my feelings, especially because I don't drink anymore (I don't make a day out of going to a home game) which means that, when I go to the football, I want to see Everton win and to also hopefully be entertained.

“We will be okay” to me when we start having a proper go in the cups and start striving to become the football club we used to be under the ownership of a chairman who had the money to help us compete and who also genuinely cared about Everton Football Club.

(A memo to TGF: Until you truly embrace us, you simply don't know how much enjoyment you could be getting out of your investment, especially if you could help turn us into winners again!! 🤞💙)
Alan McGuffog
120 Posted 26/07/2026 at 10:06:34
No Everton player is ever out for a month.

If we see Garner before sleigh bells, I'll be delighted!
Brian Harrison
121 Posted 26/07/2026 at 10:26:17
I have only seen clips of the game so I don't really have an idea who shone and who didn't. I realize pre-season is about building up players' fitness as much as it is about results.

So far we have mainly consolidated deals for players who were here last season... and still no right-back signed. As I said, pre-season is about fitness but it should also be a time when new signings integrate into the team. But seeing as we so far haven't found the full back or striker we were crying out for last season then when are we going to find the time to integrate them into the team???

While the Friedkins are finding many ways of using Hill Dickinson Stadium to increase revenue. I am still waiting to hear their hopes and aspirations for our club. Spurs' owners are pumping millions into buying new players while we seem to be having to make do and mend.

We don't know if Ndaiye and Grealish will be with us at the start of the season, and most Blues I speak to are apprehensive about the coming season.
Jimmy Hardacre
122 Posted 26/07/2026 at 10:59:03
Listen, in everything you do in life, you have to give your best, and if anyone thinks this is their best efforts, we're in shite.

Barry even miscontrolled the ball in the warm-up. He beat himself! Let alone the passes dispossessed easily by my mother!!

On Toffee TV, Snodin and Stuart were talking shite -- it's going to be another fiasco season. I hope I am wrong but it does not bode well...

Are we trying to get McNeil fit for West Ham? Why was the lad even on the pitch???

Moyes... Just go!!!
Raymond Fox
123 Posted 26/07/2026 at 11:10:29
That's a blow losing Garner before we have kicked a ball in anger, all teams get injuries but we are never lucky in that department.

We have almost 5 weeks to sign more players, so there is hope we will sign 3 or 4 much needed players. It's very quiet on that front though, Branthwaite is made of glass and if we get injuries to such as Dewsbury-Hall, we will be up the creek without a paddle.

Whatever, you never know... they may surprise us with a few quality players because we need them.
Mark Steers
124 Posted 26/07/2026 at 11:15:11
All you people have got to stop beating yourselves up. A new season approaches and I have not read one positive post... slow down!

1st: When our new owners came in, I don't remember them saying we're going to buy all top players and are going to fly up the Premier League table.

2nd: When they gave Moyes the job 2½ years, I thought they're just after stability, which is probably what we have right now.

3rd: I think we will probably get Grealish back on loan and hopefully a right-back and right-winger. I think probably we will sell Ndiaye to fund these players. I like Ndiaye but playing 100-minute games seems to stretch him, so it will probably be the right decision.

Good luck to everyone, at least they wont spoil my trip to Germany... a few Steins and a nice big Frankfurter will be just the tonic.
Ged Simpson
125 Posted 26/07/2026 at 11:17:47
Jim118: I thought the same.
Dave Williams
126 Posted 26/07/2026 at 11:24:19
What do Garner, Hackney, Pickford, Ndiaye have in common? None played yesterday but will likely be first choice come Palace.

The lack of new blood is worrying and it appears our owners are not that interested in the team -- they seem more interested in the stadium -- but our first choice team looks quite strong if Garner plays right back.

Don't despair……..yet!!
David West
127 Posted 26/07/2026 at 11:29:27
Watched the first half and usual pre-season pace... clear we need quality in a few areas, and clear some players are past their best. For some, their best won't ever be good enough for us to make an impression in the Top 8 at all.

McNeil, Alcaraz, Beto, Barry, Keane, Tarkowski... ask yourself this: Would any top 10 Premier League team be starting any of these?? Never mind all of them!!!

Armstrong looks like he's ready now to play week-in & week-out; if he's not going to get the time, loan him out, the lads got to progress this season!

Quality should be what we are searching for, not numbers or bodies. A few weeks now and they need to get busy, while others are improving their squads.
Steve Brown
128 Posted 26/07/2026 at 11:38:07
Ged/Tony, bored, apathetic and unexcited seems to be the vibe that TFG want to instil in the fans.

They are doing very well in that regard.
Ian Wilkins
129 Posted 26/07/2026 at 11:41:57
As things stand, this is a weak squad, likely to be weakened further by sending a couple of younger ones out on loan and with a couple injury prone. We should be adding to it now, and we should have had clear identified targets from day one.

Either our recruitment team are not fit for purpose or our owners believe we can sustain mid-table mediocrity with what we have. I'd say that's one heck of a gamble. If you want returns from football, you have to put a good team out on the pitch.
Josh Horne
130 Posted 26/07/2026 at 11:44:14
Darren @106,

Beto got comfortably more goals per minute than the Leeds striker who left Everton of his own accord despite being offered the opportunity to stay.

If we discount penalties, Barry was also more prolific than him.

In a far weaker league, Maeda's rate of scoring is between the two Everton strikers and better than our former striker.

Leeds can laugh all the way back to the Championship.
Dave Lynch
131 Posted 26/07/2026 at 11:49:15
Not wishing to restart the Calvert-Lewin argument... But Leeds are a much more attacking team than us, so he's bound to get more chances and his conversion rate is still poor.

Still missed a boatload of sitters last season; under the "Moysiah", it was and will remain hoofball.
Annika Herbert
132 Posted 26/07/2026 at 12:46:52
Whilst I am not too bothered about Calvert-Lewin having left, I am pretty sure goals scored count for more than goals per minute.

Last time I checked, penalties count as goals scored too.
Ron Sear
133 Posted 26/07/2026 at 12:47:03
It really is a bit depressing reading some of these comments... the disturbing thought sometimes flicks through my mind: Why exactly do we support Everton, what pleasure is there actually in it for us?

Can somebody nice and courteous actually give me a rational or logical answer that would make this worrying question go away? Oh and the word 'hope' doesn't quite work any more.
Phil Roberts
134 Posted 26/07/2026 at 13:03:07
Well said Ron

What I also find frustrating is perceptions and bias over facts.

Beto and Barry played 60 minutes more than Pickford - and scored 17 goals in the league and not one was a penalty. Yet we are upset we didn't get a player who scored 14 goals in the Scottish Premiership.

Assuming Keane is out as Branthwaite is back, then only Tarkowski and Pickford are over 30... but we have an old team?

We aren't playing youngsters, but nobody ever says who to drop to play them.

Drop Ndiaye for Dibling or George?
Drop Garner for Armstrong?
Drop Dewsbury-Hall for Hackney?

If posters actually posted their suggested line-up, it would be interesting and then we can all pile on and say, Why is George not starting?
Sean Kelly
135 Posted 26/07/2026 at 13:06:34
What's the story with Hackney?

I seem to remember we chased Dibling all last summer only for him to be injured. When fit, Moyes didn't bother with him. I fear this is repeating itself.
Phil Roberts
136 Posted 26/07/2026 at 13:21:36
I seem to remember Joe Royle buying Kanchelskis and waiting until he recovered from injury.
Tony Abrahams
137 Posted 26/07/2026 at 13:44:58
Football has become a squad game and the best managers have no problem using their full squad. It doesn't always matter who starts, it's about integrating.

It's about having the confidence to play any number of different players and replace them with any number of different other players. This is how teams develop and get stronger, instead of sometimes dying a death because the manager loves to play the same faces every single week.

"X, Y & Z, are shite, we don't see them because they're not good enough", is what people say, and yet these same people don't get frustrated when we go out of the cup, because it was obviously X, Y & Z's fault, who showed us they simply aren't good enough once again.

The thing that gets me, though, is that, when it comes to cup games, X, Y & Z, constantly changes. I just wish the manager would change his approach and start giving players more of a chance to prove themselves, instead of just bringing them in from the cold and letting them take the flack for another cup exit.

Can Everton win the Premier League? No.

Can Everton win one of the domestic cups? If they get a little bit of luck, and want it enough, then of course they can.
Stu Gre
138 Posted 26/07/2026 at 14:18:22
Sorry for being a broken record Tony. With this manager they cannot win a domestic cup. There is nothing in his career to suggest he can. He's about EPL safety, everything else is a bonus.
Michael Kenrick
139 Posted 26/07/2026 at 14:18:29
Tony,

You say "it’s about integrating". That is what we've been given as the explanation for Hayden Hackney's non-involvement for the second week running: "He's being integrated into the squad".

How long does this take? He's been here since the beginning of the month. I know they didn't get going at Finch Farm until a little later but just what does this 'integration' involve? -- especially if it actually prevents him from playing football with the rest of the squad???

I mean, what the fuck do I know... but it would seem to me that going out there on the field in pre-season with the rest of them would be the absolute best way to become integrated into the squad.

What am I missing???
Stan Grace
140 Posted 26/07/2026 at 14:35:58
Ron #133,
"Why exactly do we support Everton..?"

I can definitely suggest an answer as to why we all do, Ron, but the language I need to do so would be rather spicy. And certainly not 'nice' or 'courteous'.
Tony Abrahams
141 Posted 26/07/2026 at 14:38:14
Trying to be logical, then just the mindset of David Moyes?

It's not easy adapting to the coaching standards of a man who has achieved as much as David.
Mark Steers
142 Posted 26/07/2026 at 14:41:34
Let's get this Tyler Dibling thing right. Moyes clearly had no part in Tyler Dibling signing for Everton; someone else made this call. If Moyes would've asked Everton to buy Dibling and then not played him, he would be long gone.

When Moyes was asked why Dibling wasn't playing, he said "I have Ndaiye playing on the right, how can I put him in?

When Grealish got injured and Ndiaye moved back to the left, he put McNeil on the right and nobody challenged Moyes, so Moyes was happy.
Jack Convery
143 Posted 26/07/2026 at 14:48:40
The Echo gave Barry an 8, for the Bolton game. Go figure.
Darren Hind
144 Posted 26/07/2026 at 14:59:00
Josh Horne

What a daft post. You seem to think penalties don't count. Try telling that to Haaland... Or Shearer.

FYI; Bary and Beto will never get near another penalty because they have both made complete Cheshire cats of themselves when given the opportunity.

Beto scored 10 goals in 40 games last season. Barry scored 8 in 41. Calvert-Lewin scored 15 in 39 in a team which finished lower. If he played more minutes, it's because he is a vastly superior all-around player to our two and offers so much more than goals. They don't.

We spent £60M on duds trying to replace a player we let go for nothing. That is precisely the sort of transfer business that got us here.

Leeds won't be laughing their way back to the Championship. They're too busy laughing at people like you trying to justify this embarrassing saga.
Darren Hind
146 Posted 26/07/2026 at 15:10:33
Barry 8?
Derek Knox
147 Posted 26/07/2026 at 15:42:22
Darren Not 8, it was two Zeros on top of each other ! :-)
Paul Kossoff
148 Posted 26/07/2026 at 15:49:12
Mike @98. Wha...? You are saying that we have signed Troy Parrott, you are saying Parrott has signed for us. We have actually signed Troy Parrott.

Let me get this straight, we.. have bought a player called Parrott, Parrott has actually flown here and signed for us. To paraphrase, we have got Troy Parrott.

No Mike, sadly we haven't. Sorry for knocking you off your perch. Or, as the Yanks say, off of your perch.

So off of you go, with your Polly-unsaturated remarks, you are Polly gone, and no amount of Polly filler can fix that. You aren't suffering from amnesia, you have
Polly-nesia.

Troy Parrott, yea right When did he sign?🥺
Frank Fearns
149 Posted 26/07/2026 at 15:55:32
Josh 130 “Barry” and “ prolific”. The two words don’t match and never will do.
Sean Mitchell
150 Posted 26/07/2026 at 15:59:43
Leeds will be laughing finishing above us instead.
Ian Horan
151 Posted 26/07/2026 at 16:04:36
Ron @134,

We are nearly 2 generations on since we were a force in English football. I am 63 so my son is influenced to be a supporter by my hazy memories of the mid-80s team, followed by the 1995 FA Cup winners.

Our younger supporters have been inducted by our legendary cheap season tickets at Goodison Park.

Sadly, it's now too expensive for many families at Hill Dickinson Stadium to retain the connection with what's now being served up. No excitement, no winning at Wembley and nowhere near competing for the Premier League.

No longer, Nothing but the best will do!!! The next generation have nothing to hang their hat on why they support the team. I feel we are at a critical crossroads for our fanbase. UTFTs
Paul Hewitt
152 Posted 26/07/2026 at 16:36:24
I support Everton for the same reason I got married.

I enjoy being miserable. :)
Stu Gre
153 Posted 26/07/2026 at 16:45:35
Tony #141

It's not easy adapting to the coaching standards of a man who has achieved as much as David

Sorry mate, can't work out if you are being deliberately provocative.

What has he achieved other than longevity?
Joe McMahon
154 Posted 26/07/2026 at 17:00:34
Tony @141:

Are you talking about the silverware he has achieved for Everton in what will be soon year 14?
Or the amazing Champions League runs?
Or maybe you are referring to Moyes's 4 wins v Liverpool from 25 matches?
I can only assume you were ecstatic that not only did Liverpool take yet another 6 points off Everton last season, but they also won the first derby at Bramley-Moore Dock?

Says something that even Sean Dyche has won at Anfield with Burnley & Nottm Forest... and so has Sam Allardyce.
Josh Horne
155 Posted 26/07/2026 at 17:06:41
Darren @144, I didn't buy them, I don't need to justify anything. I simply answered your question about goalscoring without prejudice.

In his best ever Premier League season, Calvert-Lewin scored 16 goals. Beto and Barry just played as a tag team for half a season each and between them scored 17 without the benefit of a supply line consisting of James Rodríguez and Richarlison.

Sean @150, they didn't though, our end of season implosion notwithstanding.

Frank @149, that is equally applicable to a very long list of Everton strikers. I should have said that Calvert-Lewin was even less prolific than them in open play.

For all of their undeniable limitations, Beto and Barry play in a negative team that lacks width and provides mostly poor service. Their goal return is, in that context, better than might be expected.
John Collins
156 Posted 26/07/2026 at 17:16:37
You're all far too negative.

We achieved a clean sheet yesterday.
John Collins
157 Posted 26/07/2026 at 17:19:33
Josh.

I agree with you. It's not as if they are missing loads of chances each game.

I don't do stats but I would be surprised if Everton are not in the bottom 5 for chances created.
Derek Knox
158 Posted 26/07/2026 at 17:34:49
I support Everton for the same reason I got married. I enjoy being miserable. :)

Bet she wasn't looking over your shoulder when you typed that, Paul. :-)
Mike Gaynes
159 Posted 26/07/2026 at 17:40:18
Nice meltdown, Paul #148. I laughed so loud I woke the dog.

That joke was my way of projecting that we will sign Parrott.

I didn't mean to make you freak out. But I enjoyed it.
Mark Taylor
160 Posted 26/07/2026 at 17:51:34
There are still over 4 weeks for optimism (of some description) to be restored.

But if we end up with pretty much the same player pool in net terms, then I fear relegation will be more likely than any forward move up the table.

From what I can work out, we do have the financial wiggle room to buy some decent players but it's going to be a case of whether the owners want to do that, or give themselves plenty of margin and hope for the best.
Kevin Naylor
161 Posted 26/07/2026 at 17:53:03
John, last season chances created. At just over 4 per game no wonder we are shite to watch.

1 Manchester City 342
2 Liverpool FC 337
3 Manchester United 308
4 Arsenal 284
5 Chelsea 271
6 Bournemouth 257
7 Brighton and Hove Albion 249
8 Newcastle United 244
9 Aston Villa 243
10 Fulham 234
11 Nottingham Forest 232
12 Leeds United 217
13 Tottenham Hotspur 210
14 Crystal Palace 183
15 Brentford 178
16 Sunderland 172
17 Wolverhampton Wanderers 158
18 Everton 157
19 West Ham United 148
20 Burnley 131
Mike Gaynes
162 Posted 26/07/2026 at 18:01:20
Kevin #161, and yet we finished mid-table.

More evidence -- as if we needed more -- of how important Jordan Pickford is to this club.
Kevin Naylor
163 Posted 26/07/2026 at 18:04:06
Yes the defence kept us in mid table despite the latter end to the season.

Calvert-Lewinis ranked 14th in chances created -- only 9 behind Haaland who was top with 82. Interesting.
Dale Self
164 Posted 26/07/2026 at 18:06:22
We support Everton to build and strengthen the vital need for cynicism in today's world.

You see, with other clubs, one gets a taste of football fantasy experienced and then is dropped back into the deep end Sunday night. With Everton, no falsies, it is the pure football life of unfettered anxiety.

And these non-active transfer windows are our training. So all yous sayin' "Suck it up and have hope" are on the crisps and beer. Get your trainers on, maaan, there are only a few weeks left.
Paul Kossoff
165 Posted 26/07/2026 at 18:10:48
Mike 159, thanks, nice to have a laugh. I've always had a weird sense of humour.

Most of the parrot jokes I actually used on snooker man John Parrot while sitting next to him at Goodison, I think it was against Spurs. Funny thing is, he never came back after half time. I am amazed he lasted that long sitting next to me.
Jack Convery
166 Posted 26/07/2026 at 18:12:26
Are the chances created from Premier League games or all games played by each team?
Darren Hind
167 Posted 26/07/2026 at 18:15:21
Josh

If you are going to play with figures with me, you'll need to get up a little earlier.
Calvert-Lewin scored 21 goals in 39 games for Everton that season. Unless you see cup goals like you see penalties... They don't count?

For somebody answering "without prejudice" you are not half massaging the figures.

Beto and Barry did not play as a tag team for half a season. They did it for the entire season and although they were playing in a superior team, in a combined total of 81 appearances they mustered just 18 goals between them. Their pathetic performances and howling misses may have gone under your radar but the rest of us saw them.

BTW. My question was, I wonder if Leeds had stopped laughing yet. It was a rhetorical question.
Mike Gaynes
168 Posted 26/07/2026 at 18:18:36
Kevin #163,

Yes, Calvert-Lewin was always exceptional at laying off opportunities for other people.
Mark Steers
169 Posted 26/07/2026 at 18:20:03
Kevin @161.

Arsenal created far less than Man City and that lot over there. But looking at the table they took them 2 teams to the cleaners very easily, so what's your point?

Everton are not very expressive and, since we got rid of Marco Silva and Bobby Brown Shoes. who tried to get us on the front foot... well, our own fans got them out.

Now we're where we are. Stadium finally finished and hopefully all them bad days behind us. I think we will be okay... but is okay good enough?

So what I'm saying is we have a very good keeper and some hard working players but sadly not much top quality. It's time to move forward and hopefully our Player of the Season is not a goalkeeper or a hard-working defensive midfielder.

Have faith... Moyes won't be here forever... I hope!
Kevin Naylor
170 Posted 26/07/2026 at 18:23:27
Chances created only in the Premier League. Jack @166.
Jack Convery
171 Posted 26/07/2026 at 18:29:40
Cheers, Kevin.

So that's a 29.94% conversion rate.
John Collins
172 Posted 26/07/2026 at 19:42:40
Kevin, @163,

I'd be surprised if we were not in the top 10 for goals conceded given the manager's priorities.
Jack Convery
173 Posted 26/07/2026 at 19:58:54
Apparently Chelsea have said they will listen to offers for Benoit Badiashile and Mama Sarr.

Given Keane and Tarkowski look goosed to me, getting one of them in may make sense, Badiashile is left-footed and 25. Sarr is Rright -footed and 20. He also plays for Senegal. They are currently valued at £15M and £22M respectively.

I would not like to take a chance on a full season, with Branthwaite staying fit and the thought of Keane and Tarkowski playing as a pair gives me kittens. Time for fresh blood at centre-back.

A four of Branthwaite, O'Brien, backed up by Sarr or Badiashile, with Tarkowski in emergencies would offer a better solution. As would a bloody right-back!!!
Paul Griffiths
174 Posted 26/07/2026 at 20:33:16
Ged (109), you perfectly summed up how I feel, mate.

Hewey (152), I've seen your wife and I know exactly why you married her mate, PHHWWWOOOOAAAAAHH
Oliver Molloy
175 Posted 26/07/2026 at 20:37:03
Darren,

Calvert Lewin had a complete injury free season with Leeds -- the hamstring injury issues etc he was having with us are gone... magic water up there or what!

I agree all goals count, but it is also fair to say he still missed some sitters, the open net he missed for England sealed his fate in going to the World Cup. He must have missed six to eight easy chances for Leeds also.

He gave us some decent service, but was never top drawer (yes, last season he was better than Beto and Barry); however, it was his choice to leave, he maintained he was worth more than the contract offered to him ( £90-100k per week) and for me, he wasn't.

Now, had we all known he could go a season injury-free, they may have offered him more... hindsight, eh !
He's a Leeds player by choice, they took a chance and it has worked out... last season anyway.
Brendan McLaughlin
176 Posted 26/07/2026 at 20:40:46
Paul #174

ToffeeWeb "Readers Wives" thread... bring it on!
Josh Horne
177 Posted 26/07/2026 at 20:45:15
Darren,

I'm just not going start pining over a player who, when fit, was a decent centre forward with weak finishing ability. He left the club over a year ago; when will it be time to move on?

For all of their faults, Beto and Barry played half a season each, almost never together, and their combined total of Premier League goals was more than the Leeds player has ever managed in one season.

That does not change their shortcomings, but they're hardly on their own in that respect, are they?
Paul Griffiths
178 Posted 26/07/2026 at 20:55:22
Brilliant Brendan. I always feel that femmes look so much better with staples through them. Who's offering?
Tony Abrahams
179 Posted 26/07/2026 at 21:32:43
Saying that Michael is missing the mindset of David Moyes was definitely not me trying to be deliberately provocative to the people who don't like him, Ste.

I think I have possibly been even more of a scratched record than you with regard to Moyes because I think it's clear that he doesn't try and integrate enough of his squad into the team, and then I suddenly read a post from Michael explaining that you have got to get integrated into the squad first before you have got any real chance of being integrated into the team.

Has football really changed that much that players have got to learn the ropes and be integrated into the squad now before they then get a chance of playing for the team?

It was a long time ago when I was at Forest but I can still remember Brian Clough. I'm sure he won the league with two different clubs, he won two European Cups with Forest, which has still got to be one of the greatest managerial achievements of all time... And the thing I remember about him most when it came to football was that he had a very simple logic.

He kept the game unbelievably simple and if he rated someone, he played them. When it came to integrating people into his squad, his logic was very clear. "You wouldn't be here if you couldn't play football, young man, so just go and play football."
John Collins
180 Posted 26/07/2026 at 22:13:33
What came first.
The chicken or the egg?
Brendan McLaughlin
181 Posted 26/07/2026 at 22:18:55
Tony #179

If Clough "rated someone he played them"

As do all football managers surely?
Kevin Naylor
182 Posted 26/07/2026 at 23:33:50
Oliver #175 no point to make, someone queried the stats on chances made so I obliged them. But what it does indicate that we weren't pretty to watch and will have to improve considerably on the attacking front if we aren't going to be among the relegation places this season. Personally I'd sooner have a Kevin Keegan type manager (RIP), whose strategy was we'll score more than you, than Moyes which seems to be we'll concede less (or the same) than you. The game's all about scoring goals not stopping them.
Eric Myles
183 Posted 27/07/2026 at 02:39:09
Jack #173, if we sign Mama Sarr and Papa Gueye they could form a group...The Sarrs and Gueyes?

Nah, it'll never catch on.
James Flynn
184 Posted 27/07/2026 at 07:15:48
Mike (89)- All of that.
Tony Abrahams
185 Posted 27/07/2026 at 07:59:27
That’s the way it usually works Brendan, but sometimes it must obviously just take a little bit longer for a manager to trust certain players.

Dyche said it to me about James Garner. He rated him but he just had to learn the game. It’s easier for me because I’m not a football manager, but I’m sure you can still guess what my reply was after listening to what the Everton manager had just told me?
Darren Hind
186 Posted 27/07/2026 at 08:33:47
Josh

"Beto and Barry played half a season each" - Really ? do you actually believe that ?

Try to understand the difference between two players who were so poor the manager (or the crowd) couldnt decide which one was the poorest and two players who's combined playing time in the league exceeded that of any single player in it.
There is a clear difference between hardly ever and never
This isn't about pining for one player. Its about lamenting the clubs long standing transfer policy. It cost 60m to buy inferior players, but never mind You are clearly happy with that.

Oliver

Nobody said he was top draw. He doesnt have to be. You only have to be the third worst striker in the league to be better than Beto and Barry.

I lose the will to live when I see people putting up mindless stats that they clearly don't understand. Barry and Beto are not the victims of the team creating very little. They (along with the managers tactics) are the main cause of it.
No team will ever create a lot of chances when every time they try to get their forwards to link the play, it bounces off them. Leeds (just about everyone's favourites to go straight back down) didnt have that problem last season. They fixed it for free. . Thats why theyre still laughing
Stan Grace
187 Posted 27/07/2026 at 08:44:35
Darren #184,
"two players whose combined playing time in the league exceeded that of any single player in it."

Now, you wouldn't be putting up a mindless stat there, would you?
Andrew Ellams
188 Posted 27/07/2026 at 09:01:01
Actually Stan, that's probably not far wrong.

Between them they played 90 minutes of every match and on a couple of occasions more because they were both on the field at the same time.
Peter Mills
189 Posted 27/07/2026 at 09:16:02
Dave A #112, I’m sorry that you have finally hung up your match-going coat. I did wonder last season how you were managing getting to and from the stadium, and to your seat.

You’ve put a lot of years in, and deserve a rest, and it will do your ticker good not to watch Jordan in the flesh.

Take it easy, I’m sure we will still see your witty and pithy comments on here.
Darren Hind
190 Posted 27/07/2026 at 09:46:02
Stan @187

I looked at the official records and added the number of minutes played by Beto to the number of minutes played by Barry, because they were on the pitch together at times. They exceeded that of a full season playing every game.

Like everyone else, I may be wrong from time to time, but unlike you, I try to discern the difference between official records and half-arsed "half a season between them" stats.

FYI: Their combined minutes on the pitch was about 750 more than that of the striker we let go to Leeds for nothing.
Tony Abrahams
191 Posted 27/07/2026 at 10:11:43
It's all ifs, buts and maybes, but going back to this season's derby at Bramley-Moore Dock, I think if we would've had a player up front who could get a hold of the ball like Dominic Calvert-Lewin, then we would have won that game easily.

Dominic made the right decision leaving us, but a club that was always famous for having some great traditional Number 9s must now have the worst recruiters of centre-forwards in the Premier League.
Josh Horne
192 Posted 27/07/2026 at 11:10:14
Darren@190 "half a season between them", was my half arsed stat, not Stan's. Thanks for going to the trouble of confirming that's about right though.

Could you check on your official database the corresponding number of additional goals in open play they scored, compared with the Leeds player, for that extra (about!) 750 minutes?
Phil Roberts
193 Posted 27/07/2026 at 11:16:33
Darren - it wasn't.

What the stupid stats you are reading say - Beto came off after 65 minutes and Barry came on and played 32 minutes because there was 7 minutes of time added on for stoppages. So they managed to play 97 minutes in a 90 minute game. That is as stupid as someone saying I am going to give 110%.

The time when both were on the pitch
Barry on in the 86th minute at Leeds
Beto on in the 46th minute home to Brenford
Beto on in the 79th minute home to United
Barry on in the 83rd minute home to Burnley

And as for the penalty arguement. We got 2 and Leeds got 6. Both of ours were by N'diaye who only got 4 in the rest of the season. Personally, that is not a good enough return. Do we really think that we should have been playing Leighton Baines or David Unsworth up front because in 2010 through to 2013 Baines was scoring 5 goals a season, or Unsy from 1999 to 2003 when he also averaged 5 a season? No. A better measure would be penalties earned rather than scored. If N'diaye scores because Iroegbunam or Branthwaite is fouled then should we be saying he is a real goalscorer with 6 or just 4 because it was decided he should take the penalties?
John Collins
194 Posted 27/07/2026 at 11:23:45
Am I right in saying the pair of them, are one goal per three games played?
Josh Horne
195 Posted 27/07/2026 at 11:28:07
Darren, my half arsed estimate is that it was seven more goals.
Phil Roberts
196 Posted 27/07/2026 at 12:23:09
John, it is also 1 goal every 201 minutes on the pitch for Beto and 1 every 240 for Barry.

Calvert-Lewin was 1 every 277 minutes, Richarlison 1 every 260 minutes, James 1 every 832 minutes.

We have only had 5 strikers with more than 10 goals in the Premier League and a strike rate of better than every 201 minutes:-

Cottee -- 72 and 1 every 201 minutes
Lukaku -- 68 and 1 every 175 minutes
Lineker -- 30 and 1 every 122 minutes
Yakubu -- 26 and 1 every 192 minutes
Naismith -- 18 and 1 every 190 minutes

Personally, I don't care if they have the silky skills of a Duncan McKenzie, the instinct of Jimmy Greaves, or the luck of an Oumar Niasse -- as long as they put the ball in the net on a regular basis (and they do between them), I am happy.

Remember Victor Anichebe in the European Games in the 2000s? Came on with about 25 minutes to go and bullied the defenders and scored. I reckon secretly, that is what Moyes remembers. Put one on to tire out the defenders and then send the other on to score the goal.

Just done a check. Barry scored all his goals in the 2nd half (except 1 in 1st half stoppage time), the last 3 of the 8 when coming on as a sub. Beto scored 5 of his 9 goals in the 2nd half. I think it is, expect 0-0 at HT!
Phil Roberts
197 Posted 27/07/2026 at 12:32:52
Darren,

Calvert-Lewin played 2726 minutes and, excluding penalties, scored 9 goals.
That is 2726/90 = 30 and a bit games so he was injured for 8 - what a surprise playing 80% of the season.

9 in 2726 is 1 goal every 302 minutes which is worse than he averaged when playing for us, although that could have been boosted by his penalties.

And we didn't let him go, he walked away because we refused to pay him £7M a year and he was sick of the abuse for his fashion sense from our fans.
John Collins
198 Posted 27/07/2026 at 12:49:36
Phil,

Better than one goal every three games is a decent return.

If we were a team that wasn't 18th in chances created, you would imagine their return would be better.

Not as bad as made out the two of them.
Dave Abrahams
199 Posted 27/07/2026 at 13:22:27
Peter (189) Yes it was a bit naughty getting up and down Boundry Street for the game and didn’t attempt the night games because it was more difficult in the dark, I went to the Derby game and it wasn’t too bad because of the 2-00pm kick off.

I might still get to one or two games you never know but anyway I enjoyed watching the Blues through the good bad and the ugly years and made a lot of friends from a young boy to the present and count myself very lucky in that respect and count you as one of them.

Might see you at one of those games I get to, so good luck Peter good health and you’ll get plenty pof enjoyment watching your two grandkids playing, I wish them well, and hopefully some more following our team— Jordan wasn’t all bad but he didn’t half make me swear which was unusual for me— lol!
Josh Horne
200 Posted 27/07/2026 at 13:30:13
Whilst they deserve a bit more credit for scoring goals, they are also a significant factor in the chances created problem.

If they held the ball up better and made intelligent runs more often, that would make a big difference.

But so would buying proper full-backs.
Phil Roberts
201 Posted 27/07/2026 at 13:30:21
John,

I think our problem is the lack of goals from the rest of the team. Our top scorer in 22-23 was McNeil; in 23-24, it was Calvert-Lewin and Doucoure[ and in 24-25, it was Ndiaye.

There was just not the back up from the midfield or defence last season.
Darren Hind
202 Posted 27/07/2026 at 15:40:29
Josh I know who's half arsed stats they were, but Stan was challenging me saying I put up stats. I simply put him right by pointing to official figures.

Its difficult for you stattos I know, but facts and official records trump your mindless record massaging all day long.

It doesnt matter that Phil Roberts wants to make some half-witted attempt to make Beto and Barry look better by claiming Calvert- Lewin scored "9 in "2726 minutes" The record books show he scored 14 EPL goals not 9. He got another in the cup game he played in to make it 15. Thats a fact !

Beto. "The 1-3 player" (Hehe) scored scored 10 epl goals in 37 attempts. He got 10 in 40. He's scored 20 in 97 EPL appearances...So 1-5 then. These are irrefutable facts. official records and Phil Roberts wont need to worry about taking away penalties from his total because he missed his.

Barry scored 8 goals in 35 appearances. 8 in 41 including cups - Another 1-5 striker. Fact...official record. And we don't need Phil to take away his penalties from his total either because we all know what complete fuck he made of his.

The official records show the amount of appearances a striker makes because every moment on the pitch is an opportunity to boost his scoring record. They don't make allowances for those who are not good enough to start or finish a game. Especially when the only contender for their place is as shite as they are.

I like Barry, but I know how poor He and Beto are. So do all those fans who tear their hair out at the embarrassing attempts to play the game at this level.

So please, Statto`s. Take the fuck- witted record massaging and address it to somebody else. I'm not buying
John Collins
203 Posted 27/07/2026 at 15:44:37
"
Beto. The 1-3 player (Hehe)"

Best get your abacus out
Darren Hind
204 Posted 27/07/2026 at 15:47:27
20-97 Hehehe
Raymond Fox
205 Posted 27/07/2026 at 16:00:09
Come on Darren an appearance of half a game towards another who is usually on for almost or a full game is not a fair comparison.

Okay, money-wise, you are paying for 2 strikers instead of 1. I don't think anyone is saying how wonderful they are but 17 goals between them is not terrible, especially as they get bugger-all crossed into the box.
John Collins
206 Posted 27/07/2026 at 16:01:10
Better still get two abacus out.

How many games has Beto started?
Kevin Molloy
207 Posted 27/07/2026 at 16:03:21
I think Phil makes a good point. Between them (and of course they were alternating) they made our No 9 an almost 1 in 2 striker in league goals last season.

I've been as unhappy as most with various aspects of their play, but the stats show they were actually very good in terms of goal output.

Calvert-Lewin once went, what was it, 30-odd games without scoring? It was a long time anyway. And those were the good times, at least he was out on the pitch.
Josh Horne
208 Posted 27/07/2026 at 16:03:48
Checked it for you, Darren, it was 7 more goals.

Last stat from me on the matter.
John Collins
209 Posted 27/07/2026 at 16:13:12
Calvert-Lewin: around 1 goal every 4 and a half games for Everton.

57 in 239 appearances.
Darren Hind
210 Posted 27/07/2026 at 16:51:52
Raymond

So you consider the fact that neither could hold down a regular starting place (despite the fact that the other is crap) should be taken into consideration. Mitigating circumstances ?
Heres me thinking the first part of a 30m players job is to get in the fucking team.

I'm pissing myself laughing at people trying to justify these two injury free jokers by comparing them to an injury riddled "sitter misser" who cost a 25th of what they did and finding out that the official records PROVE him to be a better player and someone who has probably already scored more EPL goals than they will ever score between them.

The funniest thing about this thread is people trying desperately hard to make out penalties don't count. They would be the first to scream the house down if The latch's 30 was scrapped from the records...or Dixie's sixty.

Those happy clapping Two players who cant even control a ball are the main reason this club finds itself where it is.
Tony Abrahams
211 Posted 27/07/2026 at 17:21:25
In amongst all the arguments, the thing that I have unsurprisingly taken the most from whilst reading this discussion, is the combined total number of goals, from two very distinctly average centre forwards.

Let’s face it, neither of them are presently anywhere near good enough for where we would all love to go, but because they have been constantly getting rotated, they have both scored a few goals.

Moyes, probably doesn’t really trust either of them, but because neither of them have been consistently good enough, he has had to keep constantly rotating both of them.

Maybe I’m repetitively boring, but so is watching the manager making the same subs, at the same time most weekends, when it’s clear to a lot of us that football, has now become “a squad game”

Surely if it works for centre forwards, sneakily getting one of them to do a lot of the hard work to soften them up for their replacement, then it should work in other positions too, Phil?
John Collins
212 Posted 27/07/2026 at 17:35:01
"I'm pissing myself laughing "

That's an improvement from your general day to day mood👍.

Back to the footy.
Both of them are nowhere near what we are looking for long term.
One of them scores a goal near enough every 5 games.
Your man scored an Everton goal near enough every 4 and a half games.
Not that much in it.
Les Callan
213 Posted 27/07/2026 at 17:41:10
Darren, I’m sure my old fellah told me Dixie scored 1 pen.
Darren Hind
214 Posted 27/07/2026 at 17:50:05
Les,

I'm sure you can look it up.
Annika Herbert
215 Posted 27/07/2026 at 18:11:38
Let's get this stats guy to play up front shall we, he seems a lot better than the 2 duffers we are currently rotating up there.

Seriously though, I want a striker who can score 15 plus goals on his own, not two below average strikers who share 17 goals between them.

Our midfielders need to chip in with a few too.
Tony Abrahams
216 Posted 27/07/2026 at 18:25:00
I have just asked the thing that everyone seems to be going to for facts these days, Darren, and AI is saying that Dixie Dean scored 11 out of 17 penalties. A success rate of 64.7%!

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