COLUMNIST JOHN HOLMES
Submitting to the Silly Season
By John Holmes : 17/06/2007 : 
Comments (49) :
Comments (49) : I keep telling myself I won't contribute to the transfer debates, I'll sit and wait then pass judgement when the season gets underway. As the week goes by I generally get more and more frustrated (and I'll confess that I'm starting to get a little itchy for signings now) and eventually something sparks me into response. This time it's Jim Hourigan's claims we need to adapt to the new rules of silly money.
I'm still not convinced by this argument that we have to play by WHU?s and Newcastle's silly money rules. Yes we are always going to be outbid on wages and often on transfer fees if they're about but I still don't think that necessarily means they get to dictate the market or, more importantly, the outcomes. I've said many times on these pages that Newcastle's league placing can be more accurately predicted by throwing a dart blindfolded than looking at the money spent.
Take a look at some of the players with silly money attached to them. Does anyone really believe Scott Parker is worth £90k/wk? He's a very good player but not in that wage bracket by any stretch of the imagination. Would you not be disgusted if Everton agreed to pay him that? If Eggie wants to pay him that much, good luck, but that means every chancer who WHU approach will expect the same treatment. I can?t imagine Tevez saying ?Yep, I?ll stick around but don?t pay me as much as Scott, just give me £20k and I?ll be happy?. The same goes for the clubs WHU approach for transfers; everyone they bid for now is going to have a silly money pricetag slapped on them now matter how much Eggie says they won't be taken for a ride. £17m for Bent? £20m for Johnson? Nonsense. They've been had and now everyone wants a trip. Abramovich tried the same 'won't pay over the odds' trick but little seems to have changed at Chelsea.
What about the outcomes? Newcastle also paid silly wages to Parker (£70k) and yet most fans seem to agree he's no massive loss. Ashley Cole threw his toys out of his pram for a bigger wage but he's come out of it looking a far worse player at Chelsea than the world's best left-back he was at Arsenal. Ballack and Schevchenko have experienced similar downfalls. I would argue throwing silly money at players can be as corrosive as signing poor players. The same affect is achieved just it comes from excess complacency rather than lack of ability. A star player isn?t the one you spunked the most money on it?s the one who excels the most within the structures he?s asked to operate. In Everton?s relatively static game it?s Arteta but put him in the pacey, flying Arsenal structure and he?d flounder on the wing with his lack of pace. Where Davies struggled in Everton?s tight, workmanlike approach he?s flourished in Fulham?s more spacious (or perhaps, more accurately, porous) style.
So what's the solution. Well for me it's to do what Moyes has largely done since he's come here. Buy the players who fit into the team and his approach to football. Yes he's a pragmatist who expects hard work but that means he should sign effective rather than flashy players and players who want to work hard for their money not just cash in their chips. The mentality of the club has to be the same through and through to make the unit work as a whole. Yes we need Artetas to add some flair and a Fernandes would have been nice for some unpredictability but the ultimate aim is not to bring in star signings but to produce an effective team. They interact as concepts but they are not one and the same. There is little point in Moyes and Kenwright being held to ransom by Benfica (or unnamed third-parties) if Moyes is not convinced that Fernandes can adapt to the times style. It looks great to say we have a £12m Portuguese star midfielder but if said star goes missing in the winter when the going gets tough and the results need to be ground out then that?s £12m that could have been spent better elsewhere.
So, should Kenwright get his hands out of his pockets, should Moyes stop playing by his rules and adopt new one's as Jim Hourigan has argued. Frankly no. He should ADAPT to the climate but not ADOPT it. In practice that means the fees will most likely be higher than a couple of years ago but it means if we bid £8m and get told the player will cost £15m then we say "sod off and find another mug". It's been well-documented that there are a host of players available who openly speak of a desire to play for Everton and that's just the ones that speak out. Moyes is clearly not targetting any specific players as must-buys, (or if he is he?s playing an odd game) thus he has the freedom to shop around for the best buys. That's a great advantage in the current market and one we should make best use of. We set a price the player is WORTH TO US, and if they won?t meet us there then, just like when buying a car, you get up and walk out of the showroom. In the limited market of football you can always come back later if no one else has bought and see if the seller?s had a change of heart. You don?t keep bidding higher until the seller gets what the player is worth to them. Nugent can moan that we haven't come in for him but the pricetag is one clear reason why. Maybe that will serve as a warning to other clubs and players, if you want to move to Everton, Everton will not be taken for a ride. For those criticising Kenwright, who's the better businessman - the one who pays whatever is asked or the one who gets the desired outcome at the best price?
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Brian Waring
2 Posted 17/06/2007 at 19:33:19
2 Posted 17/06/2007 at 19:33:19
So are you saying John,we buy average hard working players we won’t have to break the bank for,and be subjected to the shite football we played for most of last season?
John Holmes
3 Posted 17/06/2007 at 19:54:13
3 Posted 17/06/2007 at 19:54:13
No I’m not saying we should buy average, hard-working players. I’m saying we should buy players who fit into Moyes’ gameplan. If we were going to play like Arsenal we would want different kinds of players. There are quality players who are willing to work hard AND play good football, Arteta and Cahill are examples.
My point was there’s no point over-spending our budget on a player like Fernandes UNLESS Moyes feels he can do what Moyes will want him to do. Otherwise, like those who say Beattie isn’t helped by Everton’s style, he will simply end up looking like he’s underachieving.
Whether the whole style of football at Everton is wrong is a different question and comes down to whether you think Moyes is the right man. But there is no point in us buying players to play in a team that wants to play a different kind of football to the manager.
My point was there’s no point over-spending our budget on a player like Fernandes UNLESS Moyes feels he can do what Moyes will want him to do. Otherwise, like those who say Beattie isn’t helped by Everton’s style, he will simply end up looking like he’s underachieving.
Whether the whole style of football at Everton is wrong is a different question and comes down to whether you think Moyes is the right man. But there is no point in us buying players to play in a team that wants to play a different kind of football to the manager.
Steve Mink
4 Posted 17/06/2007 at 19:52:46
4 Posted 17/06/2007 at 19:52:46
Lot of sense in this.
I guess the only question left hanging is: where do we find these honest team players better than those we currently have at prices that aren’t silly. Moyes is never going to have Wenger-like ability to spot an unknown bargain - the players he is looking at are players everyone else has run the rule over.
I guess the only question left hanging is: where do we find these honest team players better than those we currently have at prices that aren’t silly. Moyes is never going to have Wenger-like ability to spot an unknown bargain - the players he is looking at are players everyone else has run the rule over.
Ben Higgs
5 Posted 17/06/2007 at 20:54:08
5 Posted 17/06/2007 at 20:54:08
absolutely spot on!!!! moyes is the best thing that has happened to our club in long while so we should get behind him when he wants to keep his transfer targets close to his chest so that the likes of west ham and newcastle don’t outbid us (emre and parker a couple of seasons ago!!!! but thank god they did) please have faith in moyes and kenwright they know what they’re doin’!!!! we offered 10 mil to feyenoord for kuyt in 2005, feyenoord wanted 11mil, moyes said no, was he right to say no? damn right he was.
nil satis!
nil satis!
Johnny Vegas
6 Posted 17/06/2007 at 21:09:07
6 Posted 17/06/2007 at 21:09:07
Kenwright has to step aside, and allow much needed investment into our Club, it the same every year, and to be honest i am sick of Kenwright he has to go, simple as.
The Reverend
7 Posted 17/06/2007 at 21:32:31
7 Posted 17/06/2007 at 21:32:31
Fat-Boy Vegas,
Who should Kenwright step down for? Have you got an investor lined up?
Who should Kenwright step down for? Have you got an investor lined up?
Kevin Sparke
8 Posted 17/06/2007 at 21:41:49
8 Posted 17/06/2007 at 21:41:49
Excellent analysis John - best article I’ve read on here for a while... and not just because I broadly agree with your conclusions.
Paul Cooke
9 Posted 17/06/2007 at 21:33:47
9 Posted 17/06/2007 at 21:33:47
I have to agree with Johnny Vegas, it is worrying when there is other investment into Smaller clubs going on, i can’t believe no one is looking at Everton, it makes you wonder if Bill is keping the door closed.
Please Go Kenwright your preventing our great club from going forward.
Please Go Kenwright your preventing our great club from going forward.
Blue Shaun
10 Posted 17/06/2007 at 22:06:06
10 Posted 17/06/2007 at 22:06:06
Nicely written piece some bits I agree with some I don t. However it seems to me that you ve accepted second best something I am not prepared to do. We signed 2 big players last year in AJ and Lescott and look at the impact it made on the team. Another couple of quality signings like SWP can really have us cooking on gas and pushing for the coverted 4th spot and the riches that brings !
everton-forever_2kuk
11 Posted 17/06/2007 at 22:06:49
11 Posted 17/06/2007 at 22:06:49
kenwright you say you love everton yet you pretend like no one wants to invest in one of the biggest clubs in england with a hugh fan base and a fantastic history,while every club seems to be geting snaped up around us.
thats why you want this move to kirby so you can stay in control and its a disgrace this is my club mr kenwright that i love to my soul and your gonna destroy it,
please do the right thing and step down, i will bet if kenwright steps down then we,ll see invesment.
am a season ticket holder and am gonna start with banners soon to get you out thats the only way to move forward.
thats why you want this move to kirby so you can stay in control and its a disgrace this is my club mr kenwright that i love to my soul and your gonna destroy it,
please do the right thing and step down, i will bet if kenwright steps down then we,ll see invesment.
am a season ticket holder and am gonna start with banners soon to get you out thats the only way to move forward.
jim mcmahon
12 Posted 17/06/2007 at 23:16:21
12 Posted 17/06/2007 at 23:16:21
I agree totally with the article. I can't believe that some fans don't think we have moved forward under Kenwright and Moyes. Are they living in a parallel universe?
Peter
13 Posted 17/06/2007 at 23:10:54
13 Posted 17/06/2007 at 23:10:54
I have to agree with Johnny Vegas, it is worrying when there is other investment into Smaller clubs going on, i can?t believe no one is looking at Everton, it makes you wonder if Bill is keping the door closed.
Maybe because he doesn?t accept the approuches of dodgy Middle-East consortia or corrupt Thai ex-PMs?
Let?s be honest: with the sole exception of the Eggman the only people who invest nowadays in Premiership football are American sports bilionaires and high-profile bandits from countries where corruption is the normal way of social interaction.
Many say we need massive investment. After all, what damage could loads of transfer money do?
Actually, quite a lot. Look at Newcastle. They have the money but don?t have the sense to use it effectively. They spend big but think little.
Starting with a well-balanced budget makes matters only worse. If we pay silly wages, it poisons the atmosphere unless we pay silly money for our current squad as well.
So if we want more money (which is basically okay) we should also look for people who can handle that amount of money. Can Moyes do that? I don?t think anyone knows the answer.
Maybe because he doesn?t accept the approuches of dodgy Middle-East consortia or corrupt Thai ex-PMs?
Let?s be honest: with the sole exception of the Eggman the only people who invest nowadays in Premiership football are American sports bilionaires and high-profile bandits from countries where corruption is the normal way of social interaction.
Many say we need massive investment. After all, what damage could loads of transfer money do?
Actually, quite a lot. Look at Newcastle. They have the money but don?t have the sense to use it effectively. They spend big but think little.
Starting with a well-balanced budget makes matters only worse. If we pay silly wages, it poisons the atmosphere unless we pay silly money for our current squad as well.
So if we want more money (which is basically okay) we should also look for people who can handle that amount of money. Can Moyes do that? I don?t think anyone knows the answer.
Gavin Ramejkis
14 Posted 17/06/2007 at 23:41:29
14 Posted 17/06/2007 at 23:41:29
A well written piece if not a tad idealistic, as long as Moyes shows he has learnt from his previous mistakes and I’ll stand by the Spurs home game changing the way we played for the rest of the season. We have an opportunity to progress and the club has a shocking history within management of failing to do so; Moyes and the despicable Kenwright included (Champs league qualifier and every lie told respectively), we need to increase the squad NOW not in a few weeks time to amalgamate what players we supporters hope to arrive, it’s going to be a harder season next year with the extra games.
Simon Birdsey
15 Posted 18/06/2007 at 00:25:42
15 Posted 18/06/2007 at 00:25:42
Do people really believe that Russian billionaires, Scandinavian Magnates or American tycoons are queuing up to sink their millions into Premiership clubs for prestige alone?
Surely they’re either in persuit of a plaything or it’s a business deal for them? Whilst I’m not against anyone making money from Everton, as long as they’re in it to develop the club at the same time, I sincerely believe that it’s much better for the long term stability of the club that Everton means so much to Kenwright.
What happens to Chelsea if Abramovich pulls out? Look at Blackburn post Jack Walker- they still trade on a budget, but for a long time they had no money at all.
Prudent dealings in the transfer market have brought Cahill, Arteta and Lescott in particular to the club. This proves that there are bargains out there and, as we all know, money doesn’t guarantee success anyway.
In Moyes and Kenwright we trust. Let’s hope that tomorrow’s hearing means that we can finally sign up Jagielka, who would be another bargain at £4 mill!
Surely they’re either in persuit of a plaything or it’s a business deal for them? Whilst I’m not against anyone making money from Everton, as long as they’re in it to develop the club at the same time, I sincerely believe that it’s much better for the long term stability of the club that Everton means so much to Kenwright.
What happens to Chelsea if Abramovich pulls out? Look at Blackburn post Jack Walker- they still trade on a budget, but for a long time they had no money at all.
Prudent dealings in the transfer market have brought Cahill, Arteta and Lescott in particular to the club. This proves that there are bargains out there and, as we all know, money doesn’t guarantee success anyway.
In Moyes and Kenwright we trust. Let’s hope that tomorrow’s hearing means that we can finally sign up Jagielka, who would be another bargain at £4 mill!
Connor Rohrer
16 Posted 18/06/2007 at 00:50:04
16 Posted 18/06/2007 at 00:50:04
I agree with most of the article John. I believe it would be stupid to throw money left right and centre at average players but the fact of the matter is football is changing. You need to atleast pay above 5 million.
If we want to move up another level then this is what we should be doing. We already have a decent team. Johnson, Vaughan, Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Yobo and Howard are all talented players who are going to help the club progress. A few signings added to this would see us progressing even more. The thing that annoys me is Moyes’s lack of knowledge of foreign players. All his signings are of people who have already played in england or are british themselves.
I personally would like to see a bit of flair and skill and places like portugal, spain and italy are where you find this. I love to see homegrown and british players in the everton team but it just makes us to predictable. 11 workhorses running around trying to grind out results every game is not going to work.
We have obvoiusly passed on Fernandes. We have let go a gem in my opinion. Not a rough diamond a gem. He had the creative instincts of Arteta but the strength of british player. The way he held of opponents at his size was quite amazing to see. The only flaw I could see in his game was his workrate and It was exactly the same when Arteta first arrived.
I would not be happy if we replaced Fernandes with Jagielka. People still seem to think he is a midfielder but ask any sheff utd fan his is a defender. He can do a job in midfield like Phil Neville yet like Neville he is limited.
I cant believe I am actually praying that someone like Van Der Meyde or Osman will come good next season. Football is all about money these days. If we are not going to pay over 5 million for a player then we will never progress into a regular top 6 side.
If we want to move up another level then this is what we should be doing. We already have a decent team. Johnson, Vaughan, Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Yobo and Howard are all talented players who are going to help the club progress. A few signings added to this would see us progressing even more. The thing that annoys me is Moyes’s lack of knowledge of foreign players. All his signings are of people who have already played in england or are british themselves.
I personally would like to see a bit of flair and skill and places like portugal, spain and italy are where you find this. I love to see homegrown and british players in the everton team but it just makes us to predictable. 11 workhorses running around trying to grind out results every game is not going to work.
We have obvoiusly passed on Fernandes. We have let go a gem in my opinion. Not a rough diamond a gem. He had the creative instincts of Arteta but the strength of british player. The way he held of opponents at his size was quite amazing to see. The only flaw I could see in his game was his workrate and It was exactly the same when Arteta first arrived.
I would not be happy if we replaced Fernandes with Jagielka. People still seem to think he is a midfielder but ask any sheff utd fan his is a defender. He can do a job in midfield like Phil Neville yet like Neville he is limited.
I cant believe I am actually praying that someone like Van Der Meyde or Osman will come good next season. Football is all about money these days. If we are not going to pay over 5 million for a player then we will never progress into a regular top 6 side.
km
17 Posted 18/06/2007 at 01:11:12
17 Posted 18/06/2007 at 01:11:12
I think John?s piece is fairly sensible and well written but I cannot agree with the broad conclusions. It?s late so please excuse this rant...
It is imperative that we not only consolidate our league position but allow the club to enjoy a fruitful European campaign by increasing the quality AND quantity of players on the books. I?d love to believe that will happen but I suspect it won?t.
Some of the football we have played in the last 10 years or more has been an embarrassment to me, I grew up with EFC playing proper footie.
We seem to have some £15m to spend.. how desperate would our situation be if we?d finished 10th, some £4 million less in prize money. Why isn?t there more available when there is supposedly a massive boost to TV revenue? Not as if, like Arsenal have done, we are trying to save funds to build a stadium - we want a retail-park freebie.
There is silly money being thrown around at the moment and we can?t really compete with that. West Ham, like Chelsea before them, are a small club in a large city with plenty to offer the foreign investor... cheap to buy, property in the capital and top flight status. All good stuff for the rich man?s plaything. Walton is not quite so glamourous but we cannot afford not to strengthen and if we don?t we will yo-yo once again and to do that we HAVE to spend, inflated market or not. We don?t need to compete when we have identified our own targets, we just need some imagination a la Wenger
No matter how much they spend Newcastle are unlikely to ever win anything, whoever throws money at Man City or Birmingham will similarly be pissing into the wind. But I genuinely think Everton could be different..
I am disappointed and disgusted by the complacency and (IHMO) fawning ignorance of contributors like Mr Dodd. I am sure he cares just as much as me about the club - he just doesn?t seem to understand what Everton is.
It is imperative that we not only consolidate our league position but allow the club to enjoy a fruitful European campaign by increasing the quality AND quantity of players on the books. I?d love to believe that will happen but I suspect it won?t.
Some of the football we have played in the last 10 years or more has been an embarrassment to me, I grew up with EFC playing proper footie.
We seem to have some £15m to spend.. how desperate would our situation be if we?d finished 10th, some £4 million less in prize money. Why isn?t there more available when there is supposedly a massive boost to TV revenue? Not as if, like Arsenal have done, we are trying to save funds to build a stadium - we want a retail-park freebie.
There is silly money being thrown around at the moment and we can?t really compete with that. West Ham, like Chelsea before them, are a small club in a large city with plenty to offer the foreign investor... cheap to buy, property in the capital and top flight status. All good stuff for the rich man?s plaything. Walton is not quite so glamourous but we cannot afford not to strengthen and if we don?t we will yo-yo once again and to do that we HAVE to spend, inflated market or not. We don?t need to compete when we have identified our own targets, we just need some imagination a la Wenger
No matter how much they spend Newcastle are unlikely to ever win anything, whoever throws money at Man City or Birmingham will similarly be pissing into the wind. But I genuinely think Everton could be different..
I am disappointed and disgusted by the complacency and (IHMO) fawning ignorance of contributors like Mr Dodd. I am sure he cares just as much as me about the club - he just doesn?t seem to understand what Everton is.
Name please
18 Posted 18/06/2007 at 05:35:44
18 Posted 18/06/2007 at 05:35:44
I recall in your last contribution John you mentioned, for no apparent reason, that you were marking undergraduate exam papers and therefore I presume you are a University lecturer. In another recent article, you also said that you were studying for a Masters Degree. In this article, once more you have failed to keep your ego in check by letting your verbosity get the better of you and waffling on unecessarily.
You are simply rehashing what many Evertonians have said on numerous occassions since the transfer window opened and could easily have made the point in a few sentences.
For the record, I disagree with you in that I would prefer Moyes to spend his limited budget on a few highly technical, skilful players rather than investing in 5 or 6 Kilbanes and having to endure a sixth season of mainly sterile football.
You are simply rehashing what many Evertonians have said on numerous occassions since the transfer window opened and could easily have made the point in a few sentences.
For the record, I disagree with you in that I would prefer Moyes to spend his limited budget on a few highly technical, skilful players rather than investing in 5 or 6 Kilbanes and having to endure a sixth season of mainly sterile football.
John Holmes
19 Posted 18/06/2007 at 08:26:39
19 Posted 18/06/2007 at 08:26:39
km and Connor, I’m actually mostly in agreement with you on most points, I think anyway. Don’t get me wrong when I say Everton don’t need to play silly money. I still think we need to spend. I saw a stat from last season though that said the clubs who were the most improved in terms of league position were the one’s who had spent £5-10m (net). None who spent that much were worse off. Of those who spent £10m+ several were worse off and few had improved. What I’m saying is spending effectively and spending big are not the same thing as some fans seem to think.
Like you I don’t think we need to be throwing massive sums at players, rather we need to identify the players who are right for us irrespective of how big a star they are. You mention Wenger and he’s the one to aspire to in these stakes. Stars can be bought but they can also be made.
On a more personal note I’m not too keen on us touting ourselves to foreign investors for the simple reason that I don’t want to see Everton sell their soul for the hope of quickfire success. As Peter said, do we really want corrupt Thai politicians, Russian billionaires with equally dubious connections and the massive debts that Liverpool and United are saddled with. Do you not see something slightly soulless in Chelsea’s success? Wow you spent £100m+ and won the league... aren’t you clever? I would feel little pride or joy in Everton achieving success on such terms.
Yes we need SOME money and that figure has increased but silly money? Nah, I like Moyes approach, we work with what we have, don’t moan and see just how far his team-building exercise can take us.
Like you I don’t think we need to be throwing massive sums at players, rather we need to identify the players who are right for us irrespective of how big a star they are. You mention Wenger and he’s the one to aspire to in these stakes. Stars can be bought but they can also be made.
On a more personal note I’m not too keen on us touting ourselves to foreign investors for the simple reason that I don’t want to see Everton sell their soul for the hope of quickfire success. As Peter said, do we really want corrupt Thai politicians, Russian billionaires with equally dubious connections and the massive debts that Liverpool and United are saddled with. Do you not see something slightly soulless in Chelsea’s success? Wow you spent £100m+ and won the league... aren’t you clever? I would feel little pride or joy in Everton achieving success on such terms.
Yes we need SOME money and that figure has increased but silly money? Nah, I like Moyes approach, we work with what we have, don’t moan and see just how far his team-building exercise can take us.
Chris
20 Posted 18/06/2007 at 09:12:24
20 Posted 18/06/2007 at 09:12:24
I Hope Moyes will spend the £15m transfer kitty on 1 or 2 world-class players that will improve the first team.(even if they are slightly over-priced) Players like Osman and Vaughan would then become excellent squad players. It would be a complete waste of money to buy 3 or 4 mediocre players like Jagielka just to boost our numbers.
Big Eddie
21 Posted 18/06/2007 at 10:06:59
21 Posted 18/06/2007 at 10:06:59
Why aren’t everton attractive to investors?
Simple really, you are a small, insginificant club who nobody outside of your tiny fanbase is interested in.
I mean, look at it from the point of view of a potential foreign investor.
He would obviously never have heard of everton until someone explained that you are the 2nd club in the city of Liverpool, he would look at your wooden, delapidated stadium, he would notice you never fill this stadium unless you play LFC, he would no doubt investigate your on field results and see that you have not come within a million miles of winning a trophy for over 12 years, then he would find out that you are skint and he would have to pay off your debts, and what for?
Most of your players are crap, your ground is a hole, and you haven’t got a hope in hell of winning anything for the forseeable future. The potential for earning money at your club is minimal, most of the people in the city you are based support the main club (LFC), and you are virtually unheard of outside of the UK.
Overall then, you make a pretty unattractive investment propostition, who can blame people for steering well clear?
Simple really, you are a small, insginificant club who nobody outside of your tiny fanbase is interested in.
I mean, look at it from the point of view of a potential foreign investor.
He would obviously never have heard of everton until someone explained that you are the 2nd club in the city of Liverpool, he would look at your wooden, delapidated stadium, he would notice you never fill this stadium unless you play LFC, he would no doubt investigate your on field results and see that you have not come within a million miles of winning a trophy for over 12 years, then he would find out that you are skint and he would have to pay off your debts, and what for?
Most of your players are crap, your ground is a hole, and you haven’t got a hope in hell of winning anything for the forseeable future. The potential for earning money at your club is minimal, most of the people in the city you are based support the main club (LFC), and you are virtually unheard of outside of the UK.
Overall then, you make a pretty unattractive investment propostition, who can blame people for steering well clear?
Mikey
22 Posted 18/06/2007 at 09:50:57
22 Posted 18/06/2007 at 09:50:57
I totally agree with the comments made I the main article, we cannot be looking for instant success and need to consilidate and build on the good foundations that Moyes has given us over the last 5 years.
To those who believe that Kenwright should sell up to a foriegn investor.......well here’s a thought. Do you all want a club that is taken over by a ’billionare’ investor who’s sole purpose is to make money for himself and really doesn’t have the fans interests at heart. Do you want a new owner who views our great club as nothing but a plaything for the rich and famous. I myself would rather have an owner who is blue through and through and will do things for the greater good of the club.
My opinion is that billionaire foreign investors will inevitably lead to the following:
Raised ticket prices (end of the day their investment will all be about profit)
Ridiculous wages
An influx of overpriced, overrated players that are chasing money rather than the prestige of pulling on the royal blue, what I call mercenary players.
Lets get our thoughts in check, just because teams such as Birmingham, Man City and even Blackburn are being touted a potential targets for foriegn investment does not mean we should follow suit. It also does not mean that we are less attractive as a potential investment, these investors would invest in any team that allows them to as long as they are in the Premiership.
One last thought.......do you think these investors will stick around if success is not acheived within their own set timescales..........do you think investors will keep ploughing money into their investment if they don’t see any returns???????
To those who believe that Kenwright should sell up to a foriegn investor.......well here’s a thought. Do you all want a club that is taken over by a ’billionare’ investor who’s sole purpose is to make money for himself and really doesn’t have the fans interests at heart. Do you want a new owner who views our great club as nothing but a plaything for the rich and famous. I myself would rather have an owner who is blue through and through and will do things for the greater good of the club.
My opinion is that billionaire foreign investors will inevitably lead to the following:
Raised ticket prices (end of the day their investment will all be about profit)
Ridiculous wages
An influx of overpriced, overrated players that are chasing money rather than the prestige of pulling on the royal blue, what I call mercenary players.
Lets get our thoughts in check, just because teams such as Birmingham, Man City and even Blackburn are being touted a potential targets for foriegn investment does not mean we should follow suit. It also does not mean that we are less attractive as a potential investment, these investors would invest in any team that allows them to as long as they are in the Premiership.
One last thought.......do you think these investors will stick around if success is not acheived within their own set timescales..........do you think investors will keep ploughing money into their investment if they don’t see any returns???????
kevin sparke
23 Posted 18/06/2007 at 10:56:26
23 Posted 18/06/2007 at 10:56:26
Don’t feed the troll (Big Eddie with the little willy)
Mikey
24 Posted 18/06/2007 at 11:24:27
24 Posted 18/06/2007 at 11:24:27
Big Eddie..........lets see how you feel as a fan when your ticket prices get hiked up when you move to your new stadium and how your owners react when you consistently fail to competively challenge for the Premiership title.........
George
25 Posted 18/06/2007 at 10:57:13
25 Posted 18/06/2007 at 10:57:13
I agree with almost everyting John said. Its clear that money is at premium this summer and DM has to stick to his plan,true everyone is anxious but there is nothing we can do about it.
Terry
26 Posted 18/06/2007 at 11:21:34
26 Posted 18/06/2007 at 11:21:34
I know we shouldnt feed the Troll, but...seeing as he is lost..if "big Eddie"(obviously big due to being full of shite) takes a more carefull look at the new owners of his big club, he will find that empty promises of investment in "their" team has become a habit,,both of their previous investments have gone from being successful well run sporting ventures ..to oversponsored cash cows ..were the amounts promised for "team building" has been on the drip..many redshite yokels..the ones that can read english, have this insane belief that they are about to compete on a financial scale with Chelski...it aint gonna happen..on a points scale your lot went backwards last season..and utd and Cheaksea will have improved squads this year..While the names of e’to and Henry are being bandied around...at least are clubs supporters are realists..not paying 120,000 a week for "loyalty"....but your lot have been challenging for the league for the last 17 years..if you believe Bascome ..so go back to your own drivel ridden site and talk about all the superstars you are going to pay 35 million a time for and how.." if we had only won our 1st ten games we would have been champs...better still pop down to arriva and see if they need a hand cleaning the crap off that bus..6 times my arse..Their..I feel better now
mark-chester
27 Posted 18/06/2007 at 11:23:07
27 Posted 18/06/2007 at 11:23:07
RISK MANAGEMENT
That is a good word to describe the best way EFC should be practising.
Firstly, we are all a little frustrated and ancy with the amount of transfre activity at the club so far, but we must still show a little patience, at least for the next few weeks. If it get’s to mid july and we still have not signed anybody then PANIC!
Everybody who comments on this site with regards to transfer activity all have valid points and we all want the best for our mighty club. YES, we do need to buy at least 2 qulaity players who will play a significant part in the club moving forward, playing good football and winning trophies and YES we do need to add to the squad size as the demands of next season will be too much for our current squad, that much is clear.
But the key word is risk management, Moyes and Big Ken will know that we need quality and quantity to move forward but they will also realise as should we, that we should NOT get into bidding wars, throwing silly money around, paying over inflated prices because the likes of eggheadson fancies himself as the big i am.
However, they must still show the fans and the players at EFC that they do mean business and within reason will go all out to land great players at Everton, which in the end i trust they will do.
With regards to the transfer kitty, nobody really knows how much moyes has 10m, 15m or 25m, but i do know that he is no mug and will get the best players possible for the right money at the right time.
Finally i have 2 words of warning to put things into perspective and to give us all patience,
LEEDS UTD
That is a good word to describe the best way EFC should be practising.
Firstly, we are all a little frustrated and ancy with the amount of transfre activity at the club so far, but we must still show a little patience, at least for the next few weeks. If it get’s to mid july and we still have not signed anybody then PANIC!
Everybody who comments on this site with regards to transfer activity all have valid points and we all want the best for our mighty club. YES, we do need to buy at least 2 qulaity players who will play a significant part in the club moving forward, playing good football and winning trophies and YES we do need to add to the squad size as the demands of next season will be too much for our current squad, that much is clear.
But the key word is risk management, Moyes and Big Ken will know that we need quality and quantity to move forward but they will also realise as should we, that we should NOT get into bidding wars, throwing silly money around, paying over inflated prices because the likes of eggheadson fancies himself as the big i am.
However, they must still show the fans and the players at EFC that they do mean business and within reason will go all out to land great players at Everton, which in the end i trust they will do.
With regards to the transfer kitty, nobody really knows how much moyes has 10m, 15m or 25m, but i do know that he is no mug and will get the best players possible for the right money at the right time.
Finally i have 2 words of warning to put things into perspective and to give us all patience,
LEEDS UTD
Blue all the way
28 Posted 18/06/2007 at 11:51:59
28 Posted 18/06/2007 at 11:51:59
Oh you are very clever Big Eddie it’s just a pity no brain has the fortune of residing in your head.
I feel we need to invest money in quality players for the coming season. If that means 5m + then so be it.
We can’t expect to compete again as we did this year with a squad full of average players.
I agree with most posts saying no to a foreign investor/buyer just look at the crap going on at Chelski (manager doesn’t talk to owner) and the Shite (Biternez future in doubt).
I feel we need to invest money in quality players for the coming season. If that means 5m + then so be it.
We can’t expect to compete again as we did this year with a squad full of average players.
I agree with most posts saying no to a foreign investor/buyer just look at the crap going on at Chelski (manager doesn’t talk to owner) and the Shite (Biternez future in doubt).
Tony.
29 Posted 18/06/2007 at 12:03:11
29 Posted 18/06/2007 at 12:03:11
A well thought through article which mirrors many of my own views and opinions. Spot on!
To those people who think John Holmes is saying Moyes should spend money on "average, hard working players" should re-read his article.
John is saying Moyes should spend money on BETTER players who are also hard-working. There is no mention of "average" anywhere I have read!
Moyes doesn’t have the money to gamble too much on players and needs to find players who fit and move the team on a stage.
To those people who think John Holmes is saying Moyes should spend money on "average, hard working players" should re-read his article.
John is saying Moyes should spend money on BETTER players who are also hard-working. There is no mention of "average" anywhere I have read!
Moyes doesn’t have the money to gamble too much on players and needs to find players who fit and move the team on a stage.
terry
30 Posted 18/06/2007 at 12:10:53
30 Posted 18/06/2007 at 12:10:53
Plenty of valid points being made today,especially the comparisson to Leeds..Do West Ham really think that by throwing fifty or sixty million around that they will gain a chmpions league spot?..Newcastle have overspent for years and have nothing to show for it..and people seem to forget that Alex Fergusson built his teams at Man utd..yes nowadays he does have the luxury of a huge transfer budget..but still generally buys wisely...Moyes has unearthed some crackers at bargain basement prices, Arteta.Cahill,Lescott..have cost less than The Shite paid for Diouf.tim howard was one clean sheet away from big nevs record..and Vaughn and Anichibe are still boys...I feel a left back is a must..a touch of pace out wide..we dont really need too much.at this stage in our development..because we are developing under David Moyes..The bar has been raised on our expectations, from survival to European qualification..and Im sure that it will continue to rise..but not because of no flash in the pan...Bill Kenwright loves this club...as much as you or me..he now has a good boardroom in place..our debt is now well managed and off field income has risen every year..if somebodt does wish to invest..it would have to be for the good of Everton..Yet the same people demanding faceless millionaires are the same people wanting us to stay at one of the worst grounds in the Prem..We cant redevelop Goodison, people live in the space we need.!!.Kirby once was in Liverpool till some council Bod got his pen on the map..Its only down the road...and that ground can provide us with steady long term investment..leading to long term onfield success..we need to trust the people in charge..its the best we have had for years..
s bird
31 Posted 18/06/2007 at 12:31:58
31 Posted 18/06/2007 at 12:31:58
it be graet to keep fernandes for another year maybe just maybe we can get a good investment in that time and then we good sign him for good then good to see cahill back then it be intresting seeing fernanded playing with cahill for the fisrt time midfeild areta cahill fernandes neville with johnson and vaughan up front
steve w
32 Posted 18/06/2007 at 12:48:33
32 Posted 18/06/2007 at 12:48:33
just for the pro kenwright fans who state he only has evertons best interests at heart, this is the man who has constantly lied to us, and was on the board during the eighties (where did all that money go???) and he ws also on the board during johnsons reign!!
Terry
33 Posted 18/06/2007 at 13:12:34
33 Posted 18/06/2007 at 13:12:34
Yes Kenwright was on the board..but did not have control of it..and it was Kenwright who helped get rid of Johnson..what do you really think he is doing?..
You people make me sick..all your stupid conspiracy theories..he genuinly has the best intersts of the club at heart..All these great Ideas..so name names..which billionaire is lining up to wipe out our debt..buy loads of players ..rebuild Goodison..and all for the love of EFC...get a grip..Remember Ridsdale, and Sir Ken was about to declare Chealsea bankrupt before The Russian turned up......
You people make me sick..all your stupid conspiracy theories..he genuinly has the best intersts of the club at heart..All these great Ideas..so name names..which billionaire is lining up to wipe out our debt..buy loads of players ..rebuild Goodison..and all for the love of EFC...get a grip..Remember Ridsdale, and Sir Ken was about to declare Chealsea bankrupt before The Russian turned up......
Connor Rohrer, Toxteth
34 Posted 18/06/2007 at 13:17:29
34 Posted 18/06/2007 at 13:17:29
This is to Big Eddie. If you want to argue with us then argue properly. We have never said we are a massive club just that we have more history than some of the clubs getting investment. Portsmouth, Newcastle and West ham etc.
You have to look at the bigger picture do you think you would fill your stadium if you had faced a decade of relegation. No chance. And how can you talk about are onfield performances. If we had half your money then we would be in a better position than LfC. Imagine Benitez in Moyes’s shoes. He would not be able to cope because he is a priveleged manager. He has never had to worry about money or wage structure. This to me is because of his background. You have and upper class spanish manager who got to be a manager because of his rich mummy and daddy.
I cant belive that you think that most people in Liverpool support LFC. How many of your so called scouser fans go the match every week? Why do I continually see German, swedish, Norweigen and Irish flags around your stadium. Take it from me I have lived in inner city liverpool my entire life. You maybe able to the fool some people but not me.
You see to think we are bitter but you continually come on an evertonian website and compare your club to ours. Maybe a little bit of jealousy?
You are also not the first team in Liverpool. 1878 read the badge mother fucker. Thats history you will never have. Why dont you come on the site and talk fairly with us instead of being a sad little bastard.
You have to look at the bigger picture do you think you would fill your stadium if you had faced a decade of relegation. No chance. And how can you talk about are onfield performances. If we had half your money then we would be in a better position than LfC. Imagine Benitez in Moyes’s shoes. He would not be able to cope because he is a priveleged manager. He has never had to worry about money or wage structure. This to me is because of his background. You have and upper class spanish manager who got to be a manager because of his rich mummy and daddy.
I cant belive that you think that most people in Liverpool support LFC. How many of your so called scouser fans go the match every week? Why do I continually see German, swedish, Norweigen and Irish flags around your stadium. Take it from me I have lived in inner city liverpool my entire life. You maybe able to the fool some people but not me.
You see to think we are bitter but you continually come on an evertonian website and compare your club to ours. Maybe a little bit of jealousy?
You are also not the first team in Liverpool. 1878 read the badge mother fucker. Thats history you will never have. Why dont you come on the site and talk fairly with us instead of being a sad little bastard.
Big Eddie
35 Posted 18/06/2007 at 13:58:33
35 Posted 18/06/2007 at 13:58:33
Connor you little whopper, Benitez has spent £46m nett in 3 seasons and has won 3 trophies. He has spent nowhere near as much as either man utd or chelsea. He also won 2 league titles at Valencia with siginificantly less funds than Barca or Real. In summary, he has a proven trophy winning record despite not being the biggest spender, to even compare Davey ’no trophies’ moyes to him is laughable.
As for the question of local support, I too have lived in Liverpool all my life (31 years), and there is no doubt the vast majority of people in the city support LFC. Whether they all go to every home game is a different matter, as we have a huge waiting lists for season tickets at Anfield, and, being a global club, are bound to attract a large international fanbase.
This doesn’t mean the majority of scousers aren’t Reds though, as proven by the hundreds of thousands who lined the streets in 2005, and by the fact that everton cannot fill their ground. If you’ve got so many scouse fans, why don’t they go the game? It’s easy to get tickets for the woodyard ,unlike at Anfield, where it is nigh on impossible.
As for being the first club in the city, well, I think we all know that LFC are by far the leading club in the city, which is what I meant, ask most people around the world and they won’t even know what ’everton’ is, nevermind where you are from.
As for the question of local support, I too have lived in Liverpool all my life (31 years), and there is no doubt the vast majority of people in the city support LFC. Whether they all go to every home game is a different matter, as we have a huge waiting lists for season tickets at Anfield, and, being a global club, are bound to attract a large international fanbase.
This doesn’t mean the majority of scousers aren’t Reds though, as proven by the hundreds of thousands who lined the streets in 2005, and by the fact that everton cannot fill their ground. If you’ve got so many scouse fans, why don’t they go the game? It’s easy to get tickets for the woodyard ,unlike at Anfield, where it is nigh on impossible.
As for being the first club in the city, well, I think we all know that LFC are by far the leading club in the city, which is what I meant, ask most people around the world and they won’t even know what ’everton’ is, nevermind where you are from.
RICHIE
36 Posted 18/06/2007 at 14:00:31
36 Posted 18/06/2007 at 14:00:31
Spot on but to progress to the NEXT LEVEL we do need to be a bit more willing to bring in players of a higher standard than the ones we have already and to do that we need to start spending money. If the funds are not available from Kenwright and co then looking for investment is the only option. It is no use saying we are not going to pay the asking price and then end up being overtaken by clubs with far less history but a lot more money. We have done well to be in europe next season but with all the investment going on at the moment we can not afford to stand still or the prem will be our target and not europe. I dont really care where he money comes from as long as it comes and gives Moyes the means to keep us moving forward. EFC 4 EVA.
Tony LFC 07
37 Posted 18/06/2007 at 14:30:22
37 Posted 18/06/2007 at 14:30:22
I have got to agree with Connor. As a fellow red Eddie I would like to say you are being very immature. We do have a lot more money than them and a genarally in a better position but that does not mean they are not moving in the right direction. Your dig at there fanbase is completely farce. Do you actually go to Anfield? There are wools and foreigners all over the place. Even in istanbul I sat next to eight men and women from iceland. I live in Everton and it is genarally evertonian but is I go down scotty ways it is a lot more liverpudlian. Your perception is yours and yours only. Liverpool is a city with two successful football clubs. The most successful footballing city in the UK. I to think there are some bitter evertonians but the people on this site genarally seem knowledgeble football fans. That connor lad suprised me with his knowledge but he wasnt offending he was just having a bit of banter.
Nick Flack
38 Posted 21/06/2007 at 10:15:23
38 Posted 21/06/2007 at 10:15:23
While Rome wasn’t built in a day, Chelsea was, and I fear it will likewise fall in a day. West Ham are trying to emulate them, albeit on a smaller scale, and I genuinely fear for them as I see them becoming the next Leeds United. Kenwright is THE man at the club, it’s his strategy I follow and admire, I’m not 100% convinced with Moyes, I like him, but think he’s a bit naive with selection both transfer and tactics. I openly admit I have praised him, and also looked for other alternatives as the man to take us forward. If we stick with him, it will be a long ride but we may just get there. Sadly I fear it will be a very long time, beyond Moyes’ reign, til we see a championship trophy at Everton, but that’s ok, I’d rather be scouse owned and run and aiming for the champions league every season than have someone halfway round the world running the club. Might sound a bit pesimistic, but I’d rather be looking ahead with eyes on the prize thanlooking over our shoulder and worrying what our chairman is up to, or filling the team with superstars we don’t need and jeopardizing the security of the Club. Kenwright has done a marvellous job, recently in particular.
You can’t beat tradition, I know football’s changing, but someone here said one of the best comments I’ve read in ages. Adapt, don’t adopt.
You can’t beat tradition, I know football’s changing, but someone here said one of the best comments I’ve read in ages. Adapt, don’t adopt.
Whats going on??
39 Posted 21/06/2007 at 10:13:18
39 Posted 21/06/2007 at 10:13:18
No backer with big big money means no transfer tug of war with clubs like West Ham Newcastle Spurs or even Villa now but lets sit down and logically ask ourselves a few things... First of all the players we have been linked with.. David Nugent.. Yes he may well be an Evertonian but if someone is crazy enough to go out and pay £6 or 7 million for a relatively average player who is probably no better than James Vaughan then let them.. Watching Preston last season and also England U 21s Nugent looks to be very very limited in what he has to offer and the time and space in the top flight is not there like in the Championship.. Also look at the clubs in for him?. None of the top eight clubs fancy him much and at 22 he is four years older than Vaughan yet no better.. Phil Jagielka... Very surprised that Moyes has made another utility player top of his list and of talk maybe of £5million?? Sorry but I just dont get this one.. Again look at the clubs in for him?. Do we really need to spend that much on another Phil Neville type player?. No. We need some wide player.. Proper left and right footed wide players to give us balance. A striker to partner Johnson who will compliment the way AJ plays.. Viduka would have been ok.. We need a central midfielder also..Which brings me onto Phil Bardsley for £2 million.. Again thankfully we have dismissed this rumour. English players are grossly over priced and frankly technically they are not even that good lets face it.. We have scouts so lets try topick up some bargains from elsewhere. Dont be fooled into the big bidding wars for over priced average players is my view.
Jones the blue
40 Posted 21/06/2007 at 16:56:45
40 Posted 21/06/2007 at 16:56:45
Much to agree with in the comments so far, even when they don’t agree with each other. Truth is, there is no magic formula: try the fantasy leagues if you think otherwise. Everybody wants solid, season upon season, improvement. Have we got this now? I think we probably have. Yes, we have finished higher recently, but I feel confident that this is no longer a replica of a bungee jumper bouncing from highs to lows. The club must (and I trust does) have a plan. Five years ago, it would have been to aqchieve a regular uefa cup spot, and then kick on from there. Job done. Now for year 1 of the next 5. If we start the season looking short of the ambition to go up to this next level, then fair enough do complain. In the meantime, let’s have faith in those who have brought us so far (for as long as this is justified). Nobody but Moysey has invested so much of their own time and money in building up a fantastic football knowledge base both here and worldwide. Let’s acknowledge that he is working within constraints and show a little trust. I too scan the press and websites for news of incoming players, but can’t honestly think of one who has ’got away’ yet, and we’ve had plenty of examples of others who we’d lost out on in previous seasons and who we’re very glad didn’t come to us. Another two players this season like last (even if they arrive late July) and more to come from Johnson and Anichebe. Are we really so badly off?
Peter Kendrick
41 Posted 24/06/2007 at 09:46:06
41 Posted 24/06/2007 at 09:46:06
You all this talk about Chelsea being built in a day and coming from nothing doesnt exactly apply the whole bigger picture.. True Abramovic helped them buy the best players to win the title but if you look back to 1996 Chelsea have harboured around the top four or five season after season so they didnt exactly come out of nowhere.. Look at the cash Man United are spending these days.. £28 million on Rooney. £28 million on Ferdinand.. Hargreaves 17 million.. Nani and Anderson this summer 17 million.. Michael Carrick 18 million ( haha) and go back a few years and see Veron and Van Nistlerooy and Louis Saha.. If you weigh it out they have probably spent more than Chelsea. Anyway on to us. whats happening? ... nothing much ah well..
Dean
42 Posted 24/06/2007 at 09:53:20
42 Posted 24/06/2007 at 09:53:20
Well no disrespect to Jagielka as he may well be a good utility player but is he really worth 4 million and a seven week wait like we have just witnessed?. I think not but we all know what Moyes is like for his utility men.. Ive heard Jagielka can even play in goal
Tom
43 Posted 24/06/2007 at 10:53:23
43 Posted 24/06/2007 at 10:53:23
I am a firm believer that Moyes has been shrewd enough in the transfer market over the last few seasons, for us all to have enough faith in him now to target the right players for his team.
Of course he has made mistakes (Kroldrup/Van Der mayde) and also been unlucky with one or two moves not coming off as they should (Davies/ Ferrari). But, on the whole, he has found decent players with a work ethic, that has steadily improved Evertons league placings to a point where we now expect to be challenging for Europe each season.
(never thought we would be saying that after Smith did we?)
I have faith in Moyes judgement now, leave the transfers to him and just get behind the team.
As for Kenwright, he needs to listen to the fans more though! I feel he has lost too much credability now and needs a miracle to make people believe in him again.
Of course he has made mistakes (Kroldrup/Van Der mayde) and also been unlucky with one or two moves not coming off as they should (Davies/ Ferrari). But, on the whole, he has found decent players with a work ethic, that has steadily improved Evertons league placings to a point where we now expect to be challenging for Europe each season.
(never thought we would be saying that after Smith did we?)
I have faith in Moyes judgement now, leave the transfers to him and just get behind the team.
As for Kenwright, he needs to listen to the fans more though! I feel he has lost too much credability now and needs a miracle to make people believe in him again.
Tom
44 Posted 24/06/2007 at 11:04:21
44 Posted 24/06/2007 at 11:04:21
Oh and to Big Eddie! (clearly not named after brain capacity)
You have a wide of the mark assesment of Everton at the moment.
Yes, the club is in debt, like most of the others in the same league! Are you acting all cocky now because some yanks have pulled you out of the shit? (wasn’t it your fans taking great delight at chanting USA, USA at the Mancs 2 seasons ago?).
But, Everton are no less an attractive proposition than the other clubs who have been subject to recent outside investment, so dont be a silly little man with these comments.
As for the comments on the team, and the players being crap, I think you will find the only difference in our league placings last season was down to us drawing a few more than you, with the wins being roughly the same. But you won’t notice that I suppose, as you do not come across as very bright in your rantings.
And, the standard of players we have now is much higher than it has been for a long while.
You keep playing for 3rd or 4th every year as that is all you can manage these days!
What a sad state of affairs for a once great club.
I think you have your own problems to worry about...along with being the "official worst fans in Europe".
Unless you have anything sensible to say pal, stay on your own sites, we are trying to have a sensible debate here!
You have a wide of the mark assesment of Everton at the moment.
Yes, the club is in debt, like most of the others in the same league! Are you acting all cocky now because some yanks have pulled you out of the shit? (wasn’t it your fans taking great delight at chanting USA, USA at the Mancs 2 seasons ago?).
But, Everton are no less an attractive proposition than the other clubs who have been subject to recent outside investment, so dont be a silly little man with these comments.
As for the comments on the team, and the players being crap, I think you will find the only difference in our league placings last season was down to us drawing a few more than you, with the wins being roughly the same. But you won’t notice that I suppose, as you do not come across as very bright in your rantings.
And, the standard of players we have now is much higher than it has been for a long while.
You keep playing for 3rd or 4th every year as that is all you can manage these days!
What a sad state of affairs for a once great club.
I think you have your own problems to worry about...along with being the "official worst fans in Europe".
Unless you have anything sensible to say pal, stay on your own sites, we are trying to have a sensible debate here!
melb blue
45 Posted 25/06/2007 at 06:30:12
45 Posted 25/06/2007 at 06:30:12
BIG Eddy.
I’m from Australia and EVERYONE here who knows football knows who Everton are... " they are the team that twatted LFC 3-0 aren’t they?"
Nuff Said.
I’m from Australia and EVERYONE here who knows football knows who Everton are... " they are the team that twatted LFC 3-0 aren’t they?"
Nuff Said.
melb blue
46 Posted 25/06/2007 at 06:53:18
46 Posted 25/06/2007 at 06:53:18
Oh, and another thing BIG Eddy.
No wonder you can’t get tickets for anfield, coachloads of germans and norwegians will ALWAYS get priority over liverpool-based REDSHITE fans...
Unlike at the PEOPLES CLUB.
And "only 46 mill in 3 years" plus massive pay rises to Gerrard etc for LOYALTY what a joke!
Yank owned, Spanish run, supported by Germans and Norwiegians...no wonder you’re so proud of your once-great club!
And i wonder...is it because you can’t speak German that you come to this site rather than your own soulless foreign Shite Site to be with other scousers? Wunderbar!
No wonder you can’t get tickets for anfield, coachloads of germans and norwegians will ALWAYS get priority over liverpool-based REDSHITE fans...
Unlike at the PEOPLES CLUB.
And "only 46 mill in 3 years" plus massive pay rises to Gerrard etc for LOYALTY what a joke!
Yank owned, Spanish run, supported by Germans and Norwiegians...no wonder you’re so proud of your once-great club!
And i wonder...is it because you can’t speak German that you come to this site rather than your own soulless foreign Shite Site to be with other scousers? Wunderbar!
Arthur j
47 Posted 25/06/2007 at 10:06:15
47 Posted 25/06/2007 at 10:06:15
I too agree with what John says , look back to just beore walter smith was sacked , I couldn,t even see us scoring a goal never mind win a game. David Moyes has done as good as anybody could have given the budget availible . Even the 1.25 million spent on McFadden is better value than 14million on cisse , Sell them both now , who’d get the greatest profit ?
Kipper
48 Posted 25/06/2007 at 11:00:43
48 Posted 25/06/2007 at 11:00:43
To sum the above wall-of-text up:
Big Eddie is a clueless, sad, bitter Liverpool fan.
Smart Evertonians put him in his place and generally make him look like the assclown he is and show why people have such a horrible opinion of Liverpools fans.
The End.
Big Eddie is a clueless, sad, bitter Liverpool fan.
Smart Evertonians put him in his place and generally make him look like the assclown he is and show why people have such a horrible opinion of Liverpools fans.
The End.
FERGUSON9
49 Posted 25/06/2007 at 17:54:07
49 Posted 25/06/2007 at 17:54:07
i do agree with what john is saying but what i personally don’t want this season is for all the evertonians to be hyped up about europe and then see the club scrapping for our lives in the league, we need to make some decent signings as soon as possible to make sure they are settled at the peoples club!
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1 Posted 17/06/2007 at 19:10:26