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Everton: Champions in 2012
I was discussing with a fellow Blue, last weekend (over the odd beverage) the state of our beloved club. Where we sit, where we need to be and how etc., essentially the same thing discussed in this forum every second of the day.
We took the view that we are in pretty good shape to be a UEFA cup participant for at least the next few years, with our top players all being relatively young. But whilst this is certainly a step up from the dark days — when Kev Campbell was all that stood between Everton and oblivion — we want to WIN! And by win, I don?t mean the cups — Europe or otherwise. We want the league to run through Goodison (or whatever we call the next place — another argument altogether) for a long time.
But can we do it as early as this coming season? Of course not! We don?t have the depth to create that sort of consistent run of results required to take the league. How long will it take, you ask. How long is a piece of string, I respond. But for the sake of the argument, we came up with the concept of winning the league in 5 seasons' time with, obviously, incremental improvements over that time frame. Onwards to 2012!
What do we need to get to that point? Talent, obviously. But young talent. Of our current core, only Cahill will be winding down in 5 years time. So we have young talent, that will be maturing, or at its peak in 5 years. The other thing that we need is players that are relatively unknown and/or inexpensive, as we are currently not a big-money player. European competition will help this, and we?ve taken the view that consistent runs in Europe will bring in more money and attract a better quality of player, which will improve the results, which will bring in more money (you get the picture, I?m sure). The Henry signing, as noted on ToffeeWeb, should bring some sanity to the current transfer demands, which will help also.
Now I?m expecting some agreement, and of course a hell of a lot of debate over what I run through next ?— an Everton squad for the 2011/2012 season that would, all other things being equal, be a serious contender. Some of these guys are good now. Some are a touch untried or underutilised by their current teams, and could see Everton, or a move to England in general, as a move to ?restart? or forward their careers. The things they all have in common, are, youth, pace, talent and one ?dream? signing aside, none could be considered a ?star? at this stage of their careers.
Now, we haven?t speculated on transfer fees etc, because we don?t know what trend fees will take on, let alone what our success will be in the next few years — a bad year or two scuppers this entire theory. Also, we?ve worked this based on 4-4-2, with a midfield sweeper (a la Carsley) — my favoured formation.
Here goes?
Goal — Howard: he?s the man. Will be in his keeper's prime in 5 years. Turner/Ruddy: Both young and good. Turner may leave to be a number 1 by 2012, though.
Defense — Yobo, Lescott, Boyle, Hibbert: Not a bad foursome. Add Phillipp Lahm, and maybe Glen Johnson from Chelsea. These two with our central pair of Lescott and Yobo will all be in their prime in 5 years. Lescott and Lahm are both outstanding players now — imagine what they could be in 5 years! Boyle can cover the centre and left, and Hibbert can cover the right. We also talked about Mexes, here. But four top notch defenders in front of Howard would be sufficient, with some youth and veteran back up behind them.
Midfield — Arteta, Vidarsson and McFadden from the current group. Throw in Jagielka, Gambino from Cologne, Johannes Vonlanthen and a possible controversial one in Javier Mascherano and we?ve a top notch midfield. This covers the wide areas, with Gambino, Arteta and McFadden, the central role with Vidarsson, Vonlanthen and Arteta. The sweeping role could be covered by Jagielka and Mascherano. Mascherano has class written all over him. Wouldn?t it be great to steal him from the Shite and watch him blossom! Kind of makes me feel better about Nick Barmby. Another name that got bandied about was Andreas D?Alessandro — impressive with Portsmouth not long back.
We can?t win with little Ozzie, God bless him. And as much as I hate to saying it (being Australian), Cahill will become surplus to requirements — build the squad up a bit and then sell him before anybody realises he can?t pass, tackle or dribble, and before injury prone becomes injury plagued.
Many will be dirty on the naming of McFadden to any Everton champion team, but he?s the sort of ?mercurial? type that can win a game with a few moments of genius. He?s not a 90 minute player — we?ve all realised that by now, but surround him with class, where we can carry him for periods of the match and his particular skill set will continue to come to the fore. Also, as Moyes is a defensive minded coach, we need that occasional bit of genius to break up the ?strangle the life out of the opposition? type game that we play, now. Although a lot of these players will eventually lead to him falling by the wayside if he doesn?t pick it up on a more consistent basis.
Forward — Pretty well set here. Johnson, Vaughan and Anichebe could be a good set of strikers for a very long time. But here comes the ?dream? signing. The sort of talent that would put a very good team over the top: Fernando Torres. We would have to move heaven, earth and half of Madrid to get him, but imagine him donning the famed number 9 for a few seasons. As much as this would be an amazing signing, in a few years time this guy could well be considered the best striker in the world & well out of our reach, so a lesser target might be Ryan Babel. He seems primed to leave Ajax, right now, but seems to be pining for (a newly cashed up) Arsenal. Also, Gambino, Vonlanthen and McFadden can all play up front.
That leaves us with a first team of:
- Howard
- Johnson Yobo Lescott Lahm
- Mascherano
- Gambino Vonlanthen Arteta (maybe McFadden on a wing for Vonlanthen, with Arteta central)
- Babel, Johnson
(Although I think Vaughan will have overtaken AJ by this time).
With talent like Anichebe, McFadden/Vonlanthen, Jagielka and Boyle on the bench, does this sound like your 2012 Premiership champions?
Five of these guys could be considered ?amongst the best in the world at their position? 2012 : Lescott, Lahm, Mascherano, Arteta, Babel. This is a side to be envious of.
Now, admittedly, a lot of things have to go right: we have to continue to improve as a team, and as a club (i.e. facilities). We have to have these players wanting to move to England and to Everton — Europe and it?s money/prestige can only help all of these things. But it?s only common sense to know that ALL of those signings can?t be achieved. So let?s break it down a touch.
Johnson might be one to steal away from Chelsea as their so called ?2nd 11? gets restless. Duff was an example. Similarly, we could target Wayne Bridge, if Lahm is unattainable.
In midfield, I think Jags is a mortal to become a Blue. As far as Mascherano, give it a season or two before he gets sick of Rafa sticking him on a wing or not playing him at all. D?Alessandro impressed at Portsmouth and would think Goodison is a palace compared to Fratton Park, but is unlikely. If we can?t get either of them, maybe look at Stephen Pienaar. Can play anywhere in midfield, is young enough and has pace to burn. Deserves a better league than Holland. And of course, we all hope we can get Fernandez again.
Up front, realistically, Torres is my own personal pipe dream. Babel is a long shot, as long as Arsenal doesn?t grab him this off season. But if we get Vonlanthen or Gambino, they can both play up front in what would be a lightning paced, if small, attack.
So even with those alternate signings, we could run with a 2012 line up of:
- Howard
- Johnson Yobo Lescott Bridge
- Jagielka
- Gambino Vonlanthen Arteta
- Johnson Vaughan
Still looks pretty good, doesn?t it? Especially with Boyle, Pienaar and Anichebe on the bench.
And the underlying factors of all of these potential signings (Torres & perhaps Babel aside): They?re all young and most come from lesser situations; be it a ?lesser? league (Germany) or playing 2nd fiddle to somebody else in their current squad.
Now, TW faithful, I turn this over to you to tear apart limb by limb.
Lets get some long term player thoughts onto these pages as well as next seasons. We might just be the punter, but we all know what we want to see from our beloved Blues — the title!
Let?s see some debate, people!
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2 Posted 26/06/2007 at 00:24:45
3 Posted 26/06/2007 at 02:29:46
4 Posted 26/06/2007 at 02:58:04
5 Posted 26/06/2007 at 03:04:51
And like i said, we need everything to go our way - no poor years to slow the momentum etc.
But what’s to say we can’t get some of these types of players in the next few years? A new/redeveloped stadium on the way,and consistant (at least) Uefa cup football. Does that make us any less desireable than, say, Tottenham?
Realistically, we need at least 10 years of progress to build ourselves into a consistant top 3 club, but it’s pretty difficult speculating on what current day 16 year old will take the world by storm.
So the 5 year time frame was designed to get people thinking about what types of players can take - and keep - us to the next level.
If you don’t think we can sign these particular players, then who would you like to see in an Everton shirt down the line?
6 Posted 26/06/2007 at 07:06:03
7 Posted 26/06/2007 at 07:37:03
8 Posted 26/06/2007 at 08:40:40
9 Posted 26/06/2007 at 09:08:26
Go getta life!
10 Posted 26/06/2007 at 09:26:24
11 Posted 26/06/2007 at 09:59:31
Back to reality now...
12 Posted 26/06/2007 at 09:48:06
I have also read the pros and cons concerning Nugent, still I believe he would be a great signing, though not for the price revealed.
Jagielka should be signed, Bridge could be a realistic target.
The team plays more and more attractive football, further signings should support this improvement.
13 Posted 26/06/2007 at 10:50:37
14 Posted 26/06/2007 at 11:48:35
15 Posted 26/06/2007 at 12:13:03
16 Posted 26/06/2007 at 12:38:09
SHAME ON YOU TW SHAME ON YOU !!!!!
17 Posted 26/06/2007 at 12:48:36
I know TW is top notch but even so...
18 Posted 26/06/2007 at 13:04:38
I know for a fact that Boyle’s name is regulary put forward whenever the Norwich fans do a worst ever team.
Sorry but saying untested young players like Boyle, Ruddy and that Icelandic enigma Vidarsson are going to be good enough to win the league is very silly.
Possibly Vaughan has enough to be a Everton regular but the rest (including Anichebe) have a tough challenge ahead to make it as Premiership players.
I expect Boyle to drop down a division very soon, if he can find himself a club after his Norwich nightmare.
19 Posted 26/06/2007 at 12:54:05
Also, I like some of the ideas in it - it does kinda make sense if you think about what it says, in that you have to go for the younger players now, with a view to success in the future. Very differcult to just buy success now, unless you have chelski type money. Just ask the barcodes!
20 Posted 26/06/2007 at 13:05:49
On the subejct of the post, whilst its lovely to have a grand vision (lets hope the board are as ambitious as you)its pointless projecting so far into the future with transfer specifics.
What I hope the club do have is a detailed short term transfer strategy that match our expectations for improvement over the next 1-2 seasons, matched with a long term vision to put the commercial and financial arrangements in place that will allow us to maintain our progress on the pitch (including new buys of higher quality, increasing our output of homegrown players of genuine talent, etc and also defending ourselves against losing the better members of our current squad from being poached for higher wages and so on.)
We’ve definitely moved in the right direction, but - as many of the contributors have alluded to in the past - given the financial advantage that so many of our rivals now have, and rumours on the additional transfer budget limitations due to the stadium, the extent to which this can be sustained within our current constraints has to be questioned.
21 Posted 26/06/2007 at 13:01:18
I wish you well in whatever life brings but I’m afraid, ultimately, you will only ever be a WUM .... Now RIP
22 Posted 26/06/2007 at 13:44:49
23 Posted 26/06/2007 at 14:00:33
Also our scouting system needs to improve. I know that Mr Wenger is an expert at spotting talent in young boys, but even so.
Lets get these bits sorted out, it won?t cost a great deal and will yield results quickly and consistently.
24 Posted 26/06/2007 at 14:22:54
Spurs have consistently bought up young and talented British players and have created a consistently good team as a result.
In reality their net spend has probably not been much more than ours. We have wasted a lot of money on average players in their mid twenties.
At the moment you have to say the only real quality in our team is the Howard, Yobo, Lescott, Arteta, Johnson spine.
This in reality is inferior to a fair few premiership squads; I would say personally
Man U
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
Spurs
West Ham
Newcastle
The danger of course is that new money will enable Man City and Aston Villa to reach up to the level we performed at.
It’s not a rosy picture but for me we need to invest and invest heavily and consistently in young, talented players like Spurs have. Not looking at the Mascherano / Torres type signings who are frankly out of our wage structure and definitely out of our range in transfer fees
25 Posted 26/06/2007 at 14:44:53
The best we can hope for in the next 5 years is to secure top six premiership finish and get furher and further in the uefa cup over the next 3 seasons. Although a couple of targets are not far off our reach, GJ etc. I have said it before and will say it again, we wil not win the prem until we get big time investment, that is a fact, but we are moving in the right direction and looking more stable, football has changed too much and money wins you the prem.
26 Posted 26/06/2007 at 14:58:28
The truth is that producing players is one of the hardest things in the game and players development can be very unpredictable as testified by the fact that we have been heavily linked to two players (Jagielka & Barton)for a combined figure of roughly £10m who were actually released by the club as youngsters - makes you wonder which illustrious names were in their youth teams - McLoed? Chadwick? Schumacher?
27 Posted 26/06/2007 at 16:52:22
I do fear the silence in regards transfers but I guess: "In Moyes we trust"?
28 Posted 26/06/2007 at 17:49:51
29 Posted 26/06/2007 at 19:03:06
Just ignore me.
30 Posted 26/06/2007 at 19:39:10
Jags - 4mil
Manny - loan
Morten Gamst - 6 mil +beattie
Bridge - 3mil
31 Posted 26/06/2007 at 19:53:42
32 Posted 26/06/2007 at 21:01:22
We have some good young players, in addition to Vidarrson and Boyle. JP Kissock, Kieran Agard, Lars Stubhaug, Karl Sheppard and Lukas Jutkiewicz may some or all make the grade. I would love to see us win in 2012, but think that he club are making some good young signings that could cover two or three of your positions with luck.
33 Posted 26/06/2007 at 20:58:29
Moving stadium will help create more revenue with off the pitch ventures and this may well be the way forward for us to challenge.
Too many ’ifs’ and ’buts’ though im afraid. All we can do is hope the team continues to improve.
P.S. his team includes Arteta wh has openly said that he wants to play in Spain whilst still in his prime - surely wont be with us in 2012 although i hope he is!!!
34 Posted 26/06/2007 at 22:54:09
I’m hoping that the response from ’Jarrod’ is the author, because i can see some points a little more clearly - 10 years is more feasable & it is hard to speculate on the stars of 2017 right now.
But i’m still torn on this being a pisstake, or as it says towards the end, a devils advocate type of debate generator.
If it’s the first, your a tosser & you got what you’ve deserved. Won’t go down that path myself because everybody else has done it for me.
If it was meant to get us talking players then shame on us, i guess. I’ll hedge my bets.
Perhaps we could look at a guy like Matt Taylor. Not sure of his contract situation or anything like that, but he’d fill a need. Can’t be worse than VDM. And he has a point that Goodison is ’a palace’ compared to Portsmouth’s dump. Like the idea of Bridge, too.
A point on one of thos unknowns. i’ve been living in Geneva for the past 3 years - been to 1 Everton game in that time & it’s killing me! This Vonlathen guy would be an astute signing. Mark my words - he will be good. The Swiss press shove him down our throats as the ’saviour’. He’s not THAT good, but he’d be very handy. Reminds me of Joe Cole.
But back to the point. If this is serious, then put down the PS2 console & join the real world. If you’re winding us up, then piss off!
35 Posted 27/06/2007 at 00:04:47
TD
36 Posted 27/06/2007 at 01:03:42
37 Posted 27/06/2007 at 13:27:45
38 Posted 27/06/2007 at 13:58:48
39 Posted 27/06/2007 at 17:34:23
40 Posted 27/06/2007 at 19:56:33
41 Posted 28/06/2007 at 01:31:44
42 Posted 28/06/2007 at 13:02:53
43 Posted 28/06/2007 at 21:56:57
44 Posted 29/06/2007 at 06:41:37
45 Posted 29/06/2007 at 16:05:17
In 5 years time the players that you are mentioning will have been overtaken by players that are unknown now.
Had you heard of the following 5 years ago. Ronaldo (c) Robben Fabregas Kaka Gambino Vonlanthen
Ronaldhino was only becoming famous 5 years ago during the world cup.
Come on man wake up
46 Posted 29/06/2007 at 19:03:49
That’s what happens when you do your scouting in your bedroom.
Be warned young Jarrod.
47 Posted 01/07/2007 at 19:52:02
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1 Posted 26/06/2007 at 00:01:38