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10,000 abstensions... A Fuckin disgcrace!

By Dave Stewart :  24/08/2007 :  Comments (40) :
I didn't get the vote and even if I did, I wouldn't tell you what way I voted! (It may predudice your views of this letter.) So, it looks like the "YES" vote is in? It doesn't matter how many voted. If the majority who DID vote, voted YES, then that's it... Democracy in it's purest form.

My beef is with the alleged 10,000 (approx) people who were too fucking lazy to vote! In my belief, this is the most important decision that Evertonians will ever vote on. Over the last few months I've read many passionate letters both for and against the move. Who am I to say who's right or wrong? I have my beliefs but I will always respect opposing beliefs. Many letters from both views have come from people who did not have a vote but would have liked the choice.

So, now we get down to it. YOU, if you're one of the 10,000, why the fuck didn't you vote either yes or no? It doesn't matter, as long as you voted! I just can't believe that you were so disinterested that you never found the time to vote. Surely 10,000 of you were not able to make a decison. A few I admit, but not 10 fuckin THOUSAND! The term "fence sitter" comes to mind.

Hoping to get home soon, I'll have a pint with anyone who bothered to vote either yes or no. As I said before, I respect your views... the rest of you... hang your head in shame. To be given a vote on anything and not use it is one of the biggest disgraces ever.

If you couldn't vote, feel free to reply to this letter. If you did vote, either yes or no, feel free also to reply. If you could've voted but found it too hard to put a cross on a box and lick a fuckin stamp on an envelope, don't rant and rave at my words. To all of you who wanted to but coudn't vote and all who did vote, when you come accross someone who could've voted but who didn't vote, look them in the eye and ask them one word: WHY??

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Lee Mather
1   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:19:10

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I posted this on bit further down so apologies for the duplication but I think it worthy of a bump..

I didn?t get a vote (Being from Derbyshire and all) but I would have abstained, I don?t think many people can deny staying at Goodison isn?t a viable long term option, people with far more knowledge on the subject than I have had this point many times before.

I?d love a shiny new stadium, with lasers and fireworks! It?s just I?d prefer one in the city, with decent transport links and stuff all the benefits have been covered before, I don?t want to cover "old ground..." ha-ha


I saw it as a vote between a kick in the balls and a kick in the teeth, I didn?t want either and ended up with both - such is life
Paul Clays
2   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:16:43

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I totally agree with you mate. I was willing to accept whatever the outcome of the vote. I would be happy to shake hands with any ’Yes’ voters as you are as entitled to your opinion as i am. But there are 10,901 supposed fans out there who couldn’t be arsed and you are a fucking disgrace.
How hard is it to put an x in a box, put it in the pre-paid envelope and get off your arse and walk down to the post box. CUNTS!
Shaun Brennan
3   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:25:06

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It’s a bit off a piss take. I didn’t get my vote till i rang up.

As for abstaining, whats wrong with ticking both boxes or sending it in blank.

My grandad when he votes ticks all the boxes cos’ he reckons no political party represents him. He still puts it in the box though so no one can turn around and say he didn’t or too lazy to vote.
ryan crest
4   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:30:47

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Some people don’t feel as strongly as you on the subject - get over it.

Most of us are Evertonians not Goodisononians (is that a word).
mike clay
5   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:33:49

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My street had a vote to elect the head of the neighbourhood watch. Both candidates are good reliable people with the best interests of the community at heart.

I didn’t bother returning my ballot card as I couldn’t choose.

Should I feel ashamed? Or do you think my fair and reasonable neighbours would understand.
robert greenstaff
6   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:36:40

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People that accuse others of being a ’fucking disgrace’ are a fucking disgrace.
Steve Claringbold
7   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:06:56

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The point of a vote is to vote yes, no or abstain.

It’s freedom of choice so get over it.
Geraint Cooksley
8   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:03:26

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I’ve not had the opportunity to vote as I am not a season ticket holder. I am therefore suprised that so many season ticket holders are actually not very interested in the future of their club. Why do you buy the tickets then? Do you sell them off to others? Come on! We are probably unique in Europe in having this privelage to vote on the future of the club. Given your zero response, the club may not bother to ask us the next time there is an important decision.
9   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:04:05

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Dave, just to clarify something, those who have not voted have not abstained. It’s also an incorrect theme in tohights Echo. To abstain you officially have to inform the people conducting the vote that this is your preference, it’s a classic form of protest,

I indeed contacted the ERS stating how I wished to be counted due to the choice being offered by the club, Kirkby or nothing. Those 10,000 or so have many connotations attached to them but they are not abstentions, I wish they were as the board would have a major problem this afternoon. Another view could be that indeed those people could not decide and were unaware of the abstention principle. The reality is we’ll probably never know.
10   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:14:24

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r.i.p. Everton Football Club, a sad day for Blues everywhere, this is gonna cause a split in the fanbase similar to what happened in 1892, we are gonna end up with 3 Merseyside clubs, i personally am gonna support the club who play in or around Everton, whether they call themselves Everton AFC or whatever! i don’t care! i can’t support a club called Everton FC who’s only link to it’s home city is it’s name, which i believe will be dropped in a few years, remember Wimbledon? well say hello to the Kirkby Toffees.
Steve Claringbold
11   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:24:32

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Don’t be stupid, Everton would never drop their name. I’m sick of all you "think of a worst case scenario and then treble it" people. You must be a nightmare to live with at home.
Bob Bennett
12   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:23:08

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Both my wife and I got a vote. I voted no. But she honestly could not make her mind up. She did not want to Vote Yes but she did not want to have the guilt of the consequences of a No Vote. I think a lot of the abstainers felt that way.
PS I filled her form in for her and voted No. Hope she doesnt find out.
Mrs Bennett
13   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:31:28

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I’ve found out, and I’m FURIOUS!!!
14   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:26:06

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what a bout me a contacted the club to tell them my adress had changed but they sent it to my old one anyway PISSED OFF result is the death of this club knowsley fc get new investment in bill out ps.if u dont agree with me fuckoff to the red shite
bob bennett
15   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:36:16

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You dont think I was daft enough to use my real name do you. Apologies to any real Mr Bennetts about to be sent to the doghouse
Robin Byrne
16   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:39:57

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While I dont agree with the vehemence of the original post, I was very surprised to see that large number of votes that were not returned. Only 33,000 of us were given a vote and I used mine accordingly. It does put a dampener on the clubs decision to move I guess, but 59% of the votes is a clear majority.
Brian Wolf
17   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:40:32

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"if u dont agree with me fuckoff to the red shite"

No, why don’t you, you’ll obviously drop this club when it goes to Kirkby.
This club doesn’t need fans like you.
18   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:42:37

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to brian wolf if yourf not clever enough to understand propaganda your obvisouly a red . HOW MANY TRAIN STATIONS HAVE YOU SLEPT IN FOLLOWING THE BLUES AV NEVER MIST A GAME IN MY LIFE AND NEVER WILL JUST HAVE THE CLUB THAT I LOVE AT HEART
19   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:36:56

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Well the deed is done and for those who have supported our great club from the cradle in my case 51 years it is a very sad day personally for me , having been born in winslow street and gone to Gwladys street school and looking at the great lady Goodison park from my school desk and the excitement on night games waiting for the 4 o clock bell to go so i could peg it home and get my everton gear on and back up to Goodison and into the ground for the match in typical Everton fashion Season ticket holder Park End no Ballot paper arrives so e mail the electorate people requesting a Ballot paper on 15/08/2007 !!! ballot paper arrives on 22nd August PM !! date ballot closes 23rd Aug NOON , FAT CHANCE OF ME POSTING MY VOTE EH ? THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN EVERTON for making me feel excluded from making the most important decision of my life and my Sons future of our club . for the record i was going to vote NO, how many of the 11,000 abstainers !!! had the same problem as me and its not that they could not be arsed but another shambles presided over by EFC .

I will Follow my club wherever we end up and dont forget the KINGS DOCK fiasco fellow blues !! so Kirby maybe ? maybe not we wait and see.

Ben Jones
20   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:57:16

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Steve Claringbold wrote "The point of a vote is to vote yes, no or abstain. It?s freedom of choice so get over it.". True indeed, but there does seem more and more folk like Ben above claiming late arrival of ballots etc etc - is it just another stitch up. Basically it needs to be a fair vote !!. Also in one of the other comments, a point well made, is that OK we have had the vote, now the board will look into the move further, but by no means is it a done deal....just think of houses or our own potential transfers - how many times have we backed off or been gazumped - anything can still happen. Watch this space. But in general I agree with Dave in his artical, so sod em.
Kenwrights Scriptwriter
21   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:56:00

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10000 abstentions, this has got the Fortress Sports Fund written all over it
22   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:19:32

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Brian Wolf, this football club needs all the supporters it can muster. Some see this as the dawn of a new era or the end of a history. Either way there are definitely some very dark days ahead. God forbid the team doesn’t perform in a Spurs stylee because the this once great club would find itself with a road map of Elland road.
ryan crest
23   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:13:25

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The Kirkby Toffees! Wow! What a swell idea for show!
Paddock Boy
24   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:54:07

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Wow! - A lead article I can actually support on this site (despite the Anglo-Saxon touches!) I also think the turn-out is a disgrace and even if conspiracy theorists might have grounds for concern, it’s clear that a lot of supporters were either undecided or couldn’t be bothered to vote (on either count that is not acceptable). On saying that, I still have slightly more respect for all of these, compared to a certain Colin Fitzpatrick, who did a truly wonderful article (reproduced on several sites) about the ’gaping holes’ in the Kirby project and the need to consider other options, but then practically floored me when he said he’d publicly abstained!
Jonny Roberts
25   Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:02:53

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I read your comment about the 10,000 non voters and would offer the possibility that people may have been on holiday and were thus not able to respond. My vote is sat at home as ive been in the USA for 5 weeks. I would DEFINATELY have voted if i was physically able to. I think Evertons timing of the vote was poor because August is the time for British school holidays and people are often out of the country and dont get their mail.
John T
26   Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:02:53

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Thanks paddock boy

couldnt remember the posting but colin fitz is one of 10000 that can now not complain.

still waiting for the first season ticket on ebay

Dave Edge
27   Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:14:24

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I abstained because I was in two minds,my heart said no but my head said yes and I was totally undecided waht to dobut before any of the no voters kick off I could have easily voted yes, anyhow I will support the boys and I am now going to move forward with them and moysee and now the decision has been made I am looking forward to it
Paul Johnson
28   Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:27:07

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It’s not a reasonable assertion that 10,000 "couldn’t be bothered" to vote.

10% of people move every year - on average we all move once every 10 years. They’re well established yardsticks.

To qualify for a vote you only needed to have been a season ticket holder or an Evertonia member (or a shareholder, but they’re very much a minority) at some point in the last 3 years.

Many thousands will have qualified based on being a former season ticket holder or former Evertonia member, and will have since moved.
That’s a lot of ballot papers going astray.
Many thousands more simply didn’t know which way to vote.

What pains me is that a mere 15,000 ’yes’ votes have decided the most important issue in the club’s history for us.
Ah well, that’s democracy.
Mark Stone
29   Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:48:55

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I disagree with you Dave. If your not arsed your not arsed, don’t vote. It may, in your opinion be an important vote but some people really couldn’t give a shit - like me - so why could they vote?
30   Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:46:53

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Paddock boy / John T once again the 11,000 are not abstainers, they are people who for many reasons, moved, death, can’t be bothered, can’t decide, did not vote. I contacted the ERS and asked them to officially register me as an abstention which, again once again, is an official form of protest. The vote was democratic and it’s a waste of time complaining about the outcome, most of us knew it would be a yes from the start, one question though, the OS reports that the ERS state that 36,662 voting packs were sent out, why was my number 37690????
John T
31   Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:11:12

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Sorry once a blue alwawys a blue (stand fast Rooney) a vote is a vote cannot be bothered or on holiday (5 weeks) not an excuse

still waiting for Tony Marsh’s season ticket on Ebay V quiet today
32   Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:21:47

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Today is a very sad day indeed.... and before all the dick ed’s start goin on "fuck off then" "bye bye your not a real fan" blah blah blah......

I have had my season ticket since I was a kid, and supported this club all my life!

Its disgusting to think that 10,000 people could not even be arsed to vote, on perhaps the most crucial and important decision thats this club will ever make!

I too wish they would have oficially abstained, letting the ERS know that this is what they wanted to do, then the club would have had 3 similarly sized sections to deal with! the yes’s, the No’s and "not sure’s". But, to not exercise the right that the club has given you is a fucking disgrace and I agree totally with Dave! There is passionate people out there, born and raised in Liverpool who would have killed for your vote!

Even if there was 10,000 officail abstensions, I still dont think the board would have let it make a blind bit of difference!

Why did they only let 36,000 vote? There is fucking quadruple that amount that support us in the city and for one reason or another, they cant afford season tickts, jobs wont allow them saturdays off but that does not make them any less of a fan!! They probably still go the games as and when they can, or maybe have been going for fucking years, just not in the last 3! If Bill and that liar Wyness gave them a Vote, IT WOULD BE A MASSIVE AND RESOUNDING NO!!!!

I will be there tomorrow in my seat in the Park End and i’ll be there week in week out at the Tesco Drome because I love my club and not being a part of it would kill me more than sitting in Kirkby.

The way this whole thing has been run, the propoganda and the emotional blackmail used is nothing short of vile!

And it has left this great club split down the middle! Its no longer one Everton anymore! its the "yes’s" and the "no’s" and that is the most sickening thing!

I just hope that it all works out for the best and the yes’s and the baord will still be able to sleep at night if everything goes tits up! That goes for the lazy fuckers that claim to love to club but couldnt be arsed showing it by voting one way or another!

Brian L
33   Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:41:33

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I’m really still struggling to believe that 59% actually voted yes. Not becuase I can’t believe that many would vote yes but becasue out of all of my blue mates, only 1 was voting yes and one was undecided.
There are also a huge number of p*ssed off fans posting on all the sites. It seems much more than those in favour.
Has anyone else found this?
34   Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:54:06

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Brain L,

Fucking too right mate!!

I am 1 of 6 blues who go the game and all of us have said no!

Me dad is a RS and even all hsi blue mates think no including half of his RS mates! Its not even about football with someof them! They no what Everton FC brings to this class city! The passion, the derby’s the banter and the £100 fucking Million quid that everton brings to the Liverpool economy each year!

This whole thing fucking stinks!!!

Even the ones who are posting and urging us to back the team (fully respect that by the way and I will back them), even the majority of these still said NO!

It baffles me! It stinks and something somewhere is corrupt as fuck!!
35   Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:32:39

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I’ve spent the last few months in a madhouse, I’ve read so many post me head’s spun, I was always going to vote no, but can see why the guys who voted yes have done so, but I’m struggling to understand the result
I though I’d got this percentage lark, obviously not, can someone explain to me, preferably without screaming expletives at me, how 15,000, about 40% of the eligible voters have won the day ?some way short of the 51% the club was looking for

if 40% voted to move

then 60 % for whatever reason didnt, so why are we going ?
36   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:33:46

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Are you for real Cash?
37   Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:20:32

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to toffee and brian l,while you say its a sad day for everton all the yes voters say its a wonderful day ,,and why shame on us jeez it was 59% for.....its shame on you for trying to keep the club in the 60s,so you say all your mates say no...well all of us say yes . this does not stink as it was the board who gave us the vote unlike any other club,and it was a fair democratic vote counted by a independant company.......jeez theya have been as fair as they can and still get slated
38   Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:31:41

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as for all the supporters coming on here to moan ,all the victors are having a celebration pint
39   Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:46:10

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good explaination mate, that clears that one up
jimbo boy
40   Posted 10/09/2007 at 19:48:09

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Will some of you guys please wake up and look around you! Goodison, with all it’s history is in a run down part of the city. This in not meant as insult, just fact. Ever been to a sports stadium in the states? Sooner or later we have to move on, and for Gods sake how many major teams can get a new stadium for next to nothing? Remember what happened to the dockers and coalminers who continued to try and live in a bygone era?

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