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Floodgates Now Open

By Tony Marsh :  24/09/2007 :  Comments (30) :
How many of you honestly expected to get something from our game at Villa Park yesterday? I know I never. In fact the outcome of the Villa game was obvious on Thursday night. We are piss poor in all departments. For the first time in living memory I was totally disinterested in an Everton game. We are now that shite to watch and so predictable that the result at Villa was never in doubt so I just didn't bother. Not even a flick of the teletext button.

After 6 years in charge at Everton David Moyes is running out of gas and the fans out of patience. The Moyes game plan consists only of... "Get out there and see what happens lads." We now conceed goals in every game and very rarely score from open play. It's soul-destroying to watch and I just dont see how anyone backs Moyes any longer.

Liverpool sacked Houllier after 3 years and he won about 7 trophies. Chelsea have given Mourihnio the bullet for playing negative football and he has won League titles and FA Cups in his short time there. So why do we Everton supporters have to put up with this crap we are seeing now? Why are we so easily pleased? I just don't get it.

A few seasons back we were sliding down the league table and being embarrased in cup competitions by the likes of Shrewsbury and later on the Romanian waiters of Bucharest. It's still going on now yet many of you consider us to be progressing nicely. Moyes has stabilized the club you say. Well, thanks for that, Davey, but I think even Moyes must realise that his number's up. He has been sussed out and time after time it's the poor sods who travel around the country watching this tripe who suffer most.

Only a fool would back Everton to win at Sheffield Wednesday this week and they are a poor Championship side so what does that say about Moyes's Everton? I have never seen a more gutless and lightwieght bunch of players in the Royal Blue jersey in all my life and it all stems from Moyes. What ever he is doing and saying during training in the week just isn't working. Does Moyes really coach the players to whack the ball down channels and run after it? If so then he should have no place at Everton Football Club.

I want more than this up-and-under style of play. I want to see our players standing up and being counted when they take to the field. I want to see pace, power, aggression and a decent standard of football. What I dont want to see is our players being brushed aside like schoolboys who have gotten in the way of the bigger kids out on the playground. I don't want to see scrawny midgets running around like headless chickens while a bulging-eyed Jock screams and shouts at them for 90 minutes (god only knows what Moyes is screaming).

If something is not done soon then we can kiss this season goodbye by Christmas. If Kenwright does offer Moyes another 5 years at the club then that will be it for me. I can't soldier on any more knowing we have a fraud as our manager. A dull dreary and inept fraud at that. Moyes has to go and if he was any kind of a man he would do us a favour and admit the job's too big for him. Don't be fooled into thinking there is no-one else to take the job. There would be plenty of takers and to be honest I don't think anyone can do any worse than Moyes is doing right now.

If Moyes stays Everton FC will just stagnate and fester away in an ocean of mediocrity. Is that all you want from your team? ? survival every year. FFS we are Everton FC not Charlton, Watford or some other Mickey Mouse outfit. Change the manager and the way we play or change the club motto. Nil Satis is leaving a bad taste in the mouth these days.

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A Fool
1   Posted 24/09/2007 at 15:26:43

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I back us to win at Sheffied Wednesday this week.
Jay Campbell
2   Posted 24/09/2007 at 15:48:39

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Moyes is an absolute dope end of story!! Anyone who thinks that Tony Hibbert is a footballer must have the brains of a f*ckin rocking horse!!! In all my time watching Everton never has the standard of football been so bad and that’s f*ckin saying something!!! From top(Kenwright) to bottom i’d lash the lot of them!!! They’re f*ckin hopeless and if you think they’re doing a good job you better stop bevvying with Amy Winehouse!!! Total Sh*te!!!
John Holmes
3   Posted 24/09/2007 at 15:45:41

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I fully agree that the last week has been a shocking indictment of Moyes’ failings.

However, had you watched some of the match you’d have realised that actually Everton abandoned the long-ball game for large portions of the game. The problem was the lack of penetration which has been a far more telling Achilles heel.

Let’s not forget however that Everton were sitting on a good start to the season just 9 days ago before the United match. 5 games played, 10 points in the bag, and all was looking rosy with a reasonable goal-scoring record to boot.

Whilst I will join you in January in calling for Moyes head if this malaise which has settled on the team continues, at least give him the chance to field the team he’s built for this season. A team that includes Cahill, Gravesen and Arteta and then see whether he can produce attacking football when he’s finally got the players to do it in all departments of the team. The last week he’s been seriously struggling to put out an attacking team irrespective of what he wants. If Carsley, Jagielka and Neville are your only fit central midfielders you WILL struggle to create chances. Nothing can be gained by sacking the manager now, let the man either prove you conclusively wrong or right. At the moment it’s going your way and I’m following your opinion but three games, no matter how bad, do not make a season, especially one where 3 of the remaining 5 would tell a completely different story.
Steve Syder
4   Posted 24/09/2007 at 15:51:50

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It’s a sad day when I agree with a Tony Marsh posting, but today’s the day.

Moyes HAS improved us. He’s turned relegation strugglers into a mid-table side, but now he has a nose bleed.

Tony writes one thing I’ve been saying to anyone who would listne sice Thursday - The Moyes game plan consists only of... "Get out there and see what happens lads."

Unlike Tony, I’d rather grind out crap 0-0 draws and actually win something than see flair. Flair comes after a winning team.

Moyes continues to deliver neither.
Seamus Murphy
5   Posted 24/09/2007 at 15:26:47

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likewise Tony - i didnt search the internet for somewhere to watch the game as i thought we had zero chance of winning - which turned out to be the case.
But you overemphasise things to make your point. Calm down on the "stagnate into Mediocrity" statements!! Its not like we’ve been a model of "pass and move" up until now. I even remember being called the dogs of war at one point!!

But the season doesnt rest on one defeat. We could beat Boro at home on Sunday and get into the group stages of Europe on Thursday and things could be on the up again - who knows. Thats why we watch tha games. And all this talk about not being able to take it anymore....come on, knock that on the head mate!!
Dave Carroll
6   Posted 24/09/2007 at 15:51:24

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I agree,we play like a sunday pub side.How can we expect our forwards to score when we play without a single creative central midfield player inthe current side.Why does Andy Johson have to chase hopeless balls into the corners only to look up to find the troops no where in site to support.Hopefully when tommy,mikky and tim are back we may be able to play the ball on the floor.Why wont he try Mikky in a central role.
Chris Lawlor
7   Posted 24/09/2007 at 16:36:33

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Spot on Mr Marsh. Spot on. I didnt watch MOTD, didnt watch football first, went out for a walk with the missus during the game. We’ve become that consistantly dross that I couldnt bring myself to endure 90 mins of it. Roll on Sunday, when i’ve got some mates down from Teeside.
terry downes
8   Posted 24/09/2007 at 16:49:41

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in total agreement with you tony but you forgot to add one major issue if moyes does stay and we carry on playin this shite football no decent players will want to join us ? i already think strikers are looking at us and thinking no ta
Andy T
9   Posted 24/09/2007 at 16:44:13

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I think all evertonians are beginning to think along the same lines but I have to take exception to the comment of never having seen a more gutless and lightweight bunch of players in the royal blue - since the late eighties we have been served a pretty consistent diet of shite players whereas most people consider this to be our best squad of players since Kendall Mark One.
Mark P
10   Posted 24/09/2007 at 16:56:30

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I back us to beat Weds in the CC. Tony are you going to appologise when we win?

Just what we need more irrational moaning!
Tony Marsh
11   Posted 24/09/2007 at 17:25:25

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How much you putting on then Mark/>or do you mean backing us with words which is a lot easier than parting with your hard earned.I didnt say we couldnt win at Wednesday on Wednesday I said only a fool would back us.I hope we do win but on all know form I wouldnt take flimsy odds for an Everton victory.A fool and his money....
John Holmes
12   Posted 24/09/2007 at 17:37:10

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Terry Downes,

On what judgement do you base that claim that strikers are thinking twice. As I remember it, the last striker we tried to buy (Yakubu) wanted to join us so much he agitated for a move til his manager gave in and took the money.
terry downes
13   Posted 24/09/2007 at 18:44:04

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ok john

give it till febuary and he,ll be fed up of chasing balls to knowhere [if he chases at all]

can you tell me in the last 5 yrs a striker weve made look good ???, everyone striker who comes here ends up struggling, why? it aint rocket science john
Andy Reid
14   Posted 24/09/2007 at 18:39:20

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First id like to say, im sick of fellow Evertonians slagging of the team and manager!! We are in this together through whatever is thrown at us! Moyes has done nothing wrong. OK he HAS made mistakes, SO WHAT!! He IS the best manager we have had for years. I watched the Villa game. We passed well BUT defended like kids. I believe Hibbert is not good enough and he made more mistakes than I can remember. Everton always seem to have a scape goat every season. THIS season we have 2. Moyes and Hibbo. How fickle some of you are!! This Is the manager who got us 4th and 6th!! And in europe twice!! And if he was as bad a manager as you say then there is no way we would have done so. If you want to keep on slagging our beloved team and Davie Moyes then SHAME ON YOU!!! Get behind the team NO MATTER WHAT!!! through thick and thin. We WILL beat Sheff weds and we WILL nick it in the Ukrain. And yes I will be betting my hard earned cash on the team I support because no matter what I will NEVER BET AGAINST THEM!!! Come on, it aint that bad (remember Mike Walkers team and Kendalls other stints!!, all aint that bad now huh!) Support the boys, and leave Moyes alone!!
paul gladwell
15   Posted 24/09/2007 at 18:56:49

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yak the second leading goalscorer in the prem now a booboys fav after 3 games.
Aj 24 in the prem for Palace now shot to fuck chasing high balls to knowhere.
Beattie 17 and 24 for saints went 13 months without an outfield goal then drifted away to a shit league.
Mcfadden a scots hero fucking shite for us , this is all fact and certainly no coincidence.
Nick Gartland
16   Posted 24/09/2007 at 20:04:14

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Didn’t we have the worst points in history under Moyes and goal scored?

What about Cup runs?

Yes he has definitely steadied the ship and we aren’t perennial relegation strugglers but I just don’t think he has it in himself to step up to the next level I am afraid.
Peter Singer
17   Posted 24/09/2007 at 20:39:44

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Only a fool supports a team that’s not on the top of the table. Come on, let’s support Arsenal or whatever.

Tony, I feel you’re going through some kind of personal crisis as a fan and I don’t blame you for it, we all have it some time or another but if you’re not interested even in the results, I think it’s best to take a break.

Before someone starts it, I’m not trying to tell you what you should or shouldn’t do. I really intend it only as a kind advice. If I ever lost faith in the team (not the management), I’d do the same.

I am more than aware that our odds of winning at Sheffield are pretty low but for me being a fan is partly about the often irrational hope that the lads on the pitch can turn things around.

Call me an apologist if you like.
Peter Singer
18   Posted 24/09/2007 at 21:02:14

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Terry Downes: Wayne Rooney (not a good example because he really is good) and Marcus Bent.

The latter undoubtedly looked best when he played for us.

But I don’t think Vaughan looks that bad either apart from his injury problems.
Tom Martin
19   Posted 24/09/2007 at 20:54:55

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What the hell is wrong with you?
"I have never seen a more gutless and lightwieght bunch of players in the Royal Blue jersey in all my life", have you forgotten the awful times of Walter Smith’s era? Moyes has to be given credit for everything he’s done for the club. I agree the team are infuriating to watch sometimes but we are definitely heading in the right direction. Moyes has brought stability to the club and is now bringing us forward to a higher level. To start calling for his head after a few poor performances is riculous. I wish people would stop being so negative and get behind the lads, that’s what being an Evertonian is all about.
By the way I back us to beat Wednesday in the cup.
Karl Masters
20   Posted 24/09/2007 at 21:15:21

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Oh Please! And all this from a man who didn’t even watch the match... getting telephathic images were you, Tony?

We’re not playing well at the moment, but that has more to do with having Arteta, Cahill, Vaughan & Gravesen, 4 of our most creative players missing than anything else.

Clearly Tony you are undergoing some sort of personal crisis as a fan. I share your views on off the pitch matters, but on the pitch I am not going to jump of a tall building just yet. Moyes is not perfect, last Thursday was poor, but give yourself a break for a few weeks or something. It’s all got too much for you!
Dave Roberts
21   Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:09:52

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6 years ago we were on the skids to the championship and because of our debts we struggled to do anything about it. Over time Moyes has lifted us to 4th & 6th in 2 of the last 3 seasons. He still makes mistakes but the underlying trend both on and off the pitch is upward. Despite what Tony Marsh says the players, chiefly Andy Johnson, cost us a result against Kharkiv, not Moyes.(My only criticism was bringing on Jagielka for Carsley, he should have used an attacker). You’re too quick to be hyper critical-but it’s easy to be critical. You should get real and accept we were in such dire straits when Moyes came most realists knew it would take a very long time to get back into the top group of teams. We’re progressing in that direction and although I was as fed up as you obviously were last Thursday I don’t think it justifies such an aggressive doom and gloom attitude so soon into the season.
Jeff Leahey
22   Posted 24/09/2007 at 21:46:19

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Tony,carry on telling it how it theres no excuse for the shite that is served up by this lot.I dont so much blame the players,its the way we set ourselves up. Hoof ball,losing possession,desperate last ditch defending,iv had a gut full of it.But hey, were stable not like the mad days of fighting relegation,well it was a disgrace to be in that state then, so dont tell me now to be grateful for the shite we lay witness to on Sunday.As a supporter of one of footballs most historic and famous clubs i could weep at the way we play,and the way the club is run. Nil satis nisi optimum.Each time i read that on my shirt, mug,butty box,car air freshner,ect ect, the more i feel this lots taking the piss. COYB.
Peter Singer
23   Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:37:14

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Jeff, who else is to blame for nobody coming back from midfield saying "Tony, don’t punt it, just pass it to me nice and easy" or who’s to blame that nobody told AJ on Thursday: "Andy, let me take that penalty." if not the players?
Dave G
24   Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:48:29

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I back us to win at Sheffield Wednesday - but then again, I backed us to win at Shrewsbury a few years ago.
mike price
25   Posted 24/09/2007 at 22:46:28

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Well Tony I think we’ve been on the same page for years now and I agree with all you said. I too am completely demoralised and disinterested at the moment and they’ve been a big love of my life for over 35 years now! I know I may get slagged, but I actually hope we lose in the Ukraine. The first reason is that the affect on our league form/status worries me, secondly I can’t stand the prospect of future humiliations by any half decent Euro team, and thirdly it may hasten the inevitable departure of this fucking joke of a manager of ours. Until he goes there’s nothing but shit football and a miserable future to look forward too.
I can only stand it when I record it and watch it in 5 minutes anymore...10 minutes if we win; I live 5000 miles away so gave my season ticket up a while back and have only had to endure a live Moyes disaster once...the ’spineless’derby a couple of years back. I just hope we dont as a club implode and I pray we don’t go near the drop zone again. It really will be like a big, black cloud lifting from the place when he goes, and just pray that next time we get someone that recognises, and relates to, skilled players, buys power and pace allied to skill and has some tactical nous. It is possible; Wengers team the other week cost less than Wigan had spent in the summer.
Too all the Blues who love Moyes, well your Blues and thats good enough for me; we all see things differently and have different expectations, but really open your eyes, your EMPEROR has no fucking clothes on!
Louis Huglin
26   Posted 24/09/2007 at 23:32:34

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I’ve must, with a heavy heart, agree with Mr. Marsh: I expected a defeat and a poor performance, hoping i’d be proved completely wrong come 4 pm on Sunday. Proof is that I predicted we’d lose 2-0 on a betting site, and that was my consolation for the defeat. I’d far rather my prediction was totally incorrect and I lost my winnings if it meant Everton got 3 points, but not to be.

This week has brought me back to reality with a sickening crunch. Last Saturday I was full of premature optimism, excited for the upcoming three games, even predicting a 1-0 victory over ManUre on the same site! Not gonna make the same mistake twice, I now think, reluctantly, with head not heart.

I don’t think a major shake up is needed. At this point I am pissed off with Moyes but still behind him - he may not give us the most stylish brand of the game but we have come such a long way under his leadership. Some incredible signings (Arteta, Lescott, hopefully Baines) cover over the mistakes (Beattie, Kroldrup, VdM); looking at the squad in comparison to 5 years ago is enough to put a smile on my face. Except - the smile turns immediately to frustration, clenched fists, irritability, because with these players we should be making a mark on the league, a thorn in the side of the top 4, and progressing easily past the likes of Metalist. This rant goes on, I know, but I need to get this out. Moyes, I am behind you, but I am not happy. Sort it out, or my anger will quickly affect my opinion of you, your tactics and your future.
Mcbain (Cony Parsh)
27   Posted 25/09/2007 at 05:09:30

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Im from the forum. Its a place where we all gather to discuss the merits and deficiecies of the team. We have a laugh, we vent our frustrations, and we all add bits of information that make up the whole group. We log on religeously to see if anyones got something new to say, if theres any new developments, and during transfer season it can be as exiting as the matches themselves.

One thing Ive noticed, is that I never see a gentleman by the name of Tony Marsh there. He is the answer to all our problems. He should have his own show. Yet neglecting general discussion and group activity, it really does show. Tony, you have to be the most negative person Ive ever had the pleasure of reading. Your every atom lines up its own very neuclei and sets it to self destruct. If you ever played football, youd be the guy with all the answers, but cant kick a ball to save his life. If you were a world leader, mate youd be George Bush Jr. So loud, and so offensive, youd take control rather than win it fairly.

I has taken me months of skimming through you writing, to finally get me to the point where, Ive just got to say enough is enough.

Ive got only question for you sir. Who do you support? Do you support Everton? Because Ive not herd you say one good thing about our club. Notice I say ours? Its not yours. Yu dont run it. From my perspective your a right wing looney. You should really go and support Manchester United. Im really sick of hearing your negativity. Every club has its ups and downs. You live exclusivley on the downs.

Name a manager youd be happy with. Im guessing its some kind of C3PO from Star Wars. A robot who calculates the effect of the decisions, and then checks to see if Tony Marsh is okay with the decision before making it. Is Moyes perfect? No. Does he have so much money he can buy anyone? Does he have the french african connections to unearth a team of supermen?

The only antidote for you is a letter writer who is so positive nothing that happens at Everton could be bad. Im going to call him Coney Parsh, the positive poster.

Oh but that wouldnt do! Someone exactly the opposite to Tony Marsh!! Ive never met a guy with a chip on both shoulders, but you sir take the cake.

But Id reckon youd critisize the cake too.

And the chicken that layed the egg to make the cake.

And the brand of whisk the baker used....

Tony, just take a year off. Critisism can be a very constructive method of learning and growing. But the way you carry on, really makes me feel sorry for you.

I just had a cold chill.

Imagine if you had kids. Nothing less that A+ in the Tony Marsh household.

Your positively
Cony Parsh
Cony Parsh
28   Posted 25/09/2007 at 05:37:07

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If something is not done soon then we can kiss this season goodbye by Christmas. If Kenwright does offer Moyes another 5 years at the club then that will be it for me. I can’t soldier on any more knowing we have a fraud as our manager. A dull dreary and inept fraud at that. Moyes has to go and if he was any kind of a man he would do us a favour and admit the job’s too big for him. Don’t be fooled into thinking there is no-one else to take the job. There would be plenty of takers and to be honest I don’t think anyone can do any worse than Moyes is doing right now.

What a great supporter.

Oh and last time i checked, there are quite a few managers doing worse than Moyes...

or are you not living in the ’07/’08 season?
Gavin Ramejkis
29   Posted 25/09/2007 at 14:21:11

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The wry wit and intellectual ramblings of a faux learned scholar to belittle someone’s opinion in some psuedo Oscar Wilde wannabe persona has to be the worst comeback I have ever seen levelled against Tony Marsh, the ridicule I say sir is on you.
Brendan McLaughlin
30   Posted 25/09/2007 at 23:01:35

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What I admire most about Tony is his consistency. Last season when our excellent start petered out after a few games, he was predicting a downward spiral towards relegation and we finished sixth! Keep calling "WOLF" Tony & you may even be right someday but by then (or even by now?) everyone will have stopped listening.

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