Tally up the history of the Premiership and the stats say ?yes?: total points for Everton 745 v Boro 567. Focusing on the league in more recent times, they?ve only finished above us once in the last five years (03-04, 9 pts ahead)
Middlesbrough got to the Uefa Cup Final in 2005-06 ? OK, they got thrashed 4:0 by Sevilla and they finished 14th in the Premiership (with 10 pts less than the season before) but on the way :
- they beat Steau 4:3 in semis,
- they beat Basel 4:3 in quarters,
- went through on goal difference to Roma and Stuttgart, in two, twin-leg knockout rounds.
- But, most importantly, they won their group with 3 wins and a draw, without conceding a goal. (AZ Alkmaar were joint top on points but conceded a single goal ? beware.)
So, are Everton better than Boro? Of course they are. Does that mean we?ll reach the final?
Sadly not, but, given the group and fixtures, I don?t believe we should be aiming to do anything less than win both home games and get a point at Nurnberg. This would undoubtedly be enough to progress and should be achievable without recourse to ye old spawn.
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1 Posted 11/10/2007 at 15:16:01
I dont know about anyone else but I’m a wee bit disapointed that the final (should we make it) is to be played at Eastlands. I know its in Lancashire etc etc but to me, playing in a stadium like that takes some of the glamor away from the event. However, it might give us an edge considering we’re almost certainly going to be playing foriegn opposition.
Im getting ahead of myself here but I dont see any reason why we cant at least get to the 1/4 finals. If we do, I wouldnt mind a rematch with Villerreal. We owe them one.
2 Posted 11/10/2007 at 15:41:04
3 Posted 11/10/2007 at 15:59:55
However, as you rightly point out we are CAPABLE of beating any team in the competition, so we could in theory do just as well in it. But let’s not get ideas above our station, Seville are a Champions League quality side and we, sadly, are not.
4 Posted 11/10/2007 at 16:20:57
The knockout stages come next year and our progress depends on one simple thing...............LUCK !
Some nice soft ’Liverpool style’ soft draws , lots of balls coming back out off our posts and bar and a string of refs willing to give us two penalties in matches where Arteta plays and we can get over our lack of tactical know how and go ’all the way to Manchester’.
5 Posted 11/10/2007 at 16:33:44
Trouble is some players on our roster seem to have too many days off, and with key players missing its too easy to get frustrated and irked when things do not go as planned. Just a thought. By the way its going the red shite are going all out for the wooden spoon in their group so will they then go into the uefa cup. we could meet them in the latter stages or indeed the final itself. At manchester city, a very neutral venue for such a tie of magnitude.
But dont quote me on that.
6 Posted 11/10/2007 at 18:00:35
7 Posted 11/10/2007 at 19:40:19
Under the f-ing and blinding though, i agree with your point....
8 Posted 11/10/2007 at 19:52:37
9 Posted 11/10/2007 at 20:18:07
New owner? Davie won’t last ten minutes !
Why are so many people talking up these UEFA Cup teams who just like as were nowhere close to good enough to get to compete in the real cup ?
We are all crap sides ...........it is just that some of these teams are crapper than others.
How many of these teams can afford to leave £20 million worth of striker sitting on the bench ?
This is a second rate competition for second rate teams who in some fantasy world hope one day to compete in the Champions League.................can so many Evertonians really be lining up to tell us that they are scared we can’t get one of three places out of five ?
10 Posted 11/10/2007 at 20:27:48
However, I can’t ever see Everton coming back TWICE from a 0-3 aggregate score to win 4-3 like ’Boro did. It’s not the Moyes way is it?
11 Posted 11/10/2007 at 22:58:43
We’re not even Espanyol standard. I witnessed in person their impressive display that (unfortunately) cost Barcelona the title last year. They are an extremely good passing side and lethal on the break as their 3 away wins in La Liga already this season would show.
Until we play with half the style of these teams then it is merely a pipe dream to suggest that we could make the final of this competition.
12 Posted 11/10/2007 at 23:22:02
13 Posted 11/10/2007 at 23:49:04
We aint done so bad in offloading players for inflated fees.... Jeffers, Ball, Barmby, over £20m for those 3 at atime when £20m was equivalent to £40m now.
Even Rooney for all the exultation has only scored 3 goals for England in over 3 years and 22 appearance for England since he left us. And none of those goals werein competitie matches. Maybe £25m wasn’t such bad business after all.
For all that though, I’m still concerned at Yakubu although I don’t think he has ever pretended to be anything other than a Latchford-esque goal hanger. ’’Feed the Yak & he will score’’ ... we’ve fed him scraps so far.
14 Posted 12/10/2007 at 00:06:46
15 Posted 12/10/2007 at 05:08:09
16 Posted 12/10/2007 at 08:15:56
Of course we’re better than Middlesboro’!!
17 Posted 12/10/2007 at 09:14:48
18 Posted 12/10/2007 at 09:59:34
19 Posted 12/10/2007 at 11:57:08
Surely then .Mark Hughes ..( much championed by you as a successer to DM) should be in the dole queue now as he was knocked out by the mighty Lrissa... or are you just talking rubbish again..,,any predictions Tony..?
20 Posted 12/10/2007 at 13:48:24
21 Posted 12/10/2007 at 13:47:00
Does that mean that if we DO get to the final, then you wouldnt be interested in going along to this " Second rate competition?"
22 Posted 12/10/2007 at 14:26:06
23 Posted 12/10/2007 at 16:03:33
... Well I never
24 Posted 12/10/2007 at 17:34:28
Winning that Cup Final was a fantastic experience, partly because we won it, turned a terrible season into an historic one etc, but also we rubbed shoulders with the best team at the time and beat ’em fair and square. Even Alex Ferguson couldn’t come up with an excuse... it was boss!!!
25 Posted 12/10/2007 at 18:36:23
Depressing ? well yes, surprising ? hardly
The fact is, the same fate will befall the Mancs, RS, Chelsea,Spurs, Bolton, Blackburn - already gone
Why is it , that with the exception RS’s logic defying luck - in virtually every round - two years ago, that no prem side has looked remotely like winning a European trophy for a decade ?
The Moyes haters will no doubt be calling for his head if we dont do the impossible and win it
The fact is, with the exception of Wengers kids, the rest of them are hardly playing edge of the seat stuff with the sort of devilment that conquers Eurpope are they ?
Manure + Chelsea will grind their way into the top three in the prem
The rest will struggle for crumbs,
The question is do we back Moyes, to gradually take us to the next level - the one that entertains ?
or do we take one of the other Managers and jump from frying pan to fire
Or do we be bold and take an almighty gamble and give an oportunity to an untried ambitious novice who wants to play "the right way"
John Collins anyone ?
26 Posted 12/10/2007 at 19:35:01
27 Posted 13/10/2007 at 10:58:13
arsenal were in the final in 2006 and
man utd won the cl in 1999 which although 8 years ago is still within a decade
28 Posted 13/10/2007 at 12:42:47
10 men Arsenal were always going to buckle
Borough were hammered at what stage did you feel either would win it ?
I mentioned the logic defying luck of RS 2 years ago and like I said they didnt remotely look like they would win it this year - when your 2 down you need to produce more than one effort on target to do that -
If you think thats crap then your in a minortiy of one Bobby Brown . . . .buts thats your perogative
29 Posted 15/10/2007 at 12:48:46
30 Posted 16/10/2007 at 13:45:52
31 Posted 18/10/2007 at 21:19:15
What drugs are you on! they are the most sucessful English club in Europe by a mile, and amongst the top 5 most sucessful of all European clubs, so by your reconning, almost every club in Europe’s record compared to Liverpool makes desperate reading.
Talk about being negative! I was there for the solitary win in Europe and if I get one more chance to repeat that night I will take it and not be bothered a bit if Liverpool or any of the others win the CL.
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