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?A little patience... yeeeaah!?

By John Lloyd :  12/06/2008 :  Comments (50) :
I don?t mind fans speculating on who we may sign or sell during the summer, especially when a major tournament is on. It?s all part of being a fan & the reason why Pro Evo, Fifa, Champ Manager etc etc, all sell so well as they do.

We all know the tabloids, gossip columns & rumour mills all fuel this speculation & as I say it's all a bit of fun and decent pub/work banter, but in a day when every time a manager or club even enquires about a player it is reported on one of the said outlets above, we should take all these reports with a pinch of salt and not get too excited when a top/big name player is linked or too disappointed when deals 'fall through' as there probably wasn?t a deal there to begin with.

My point is that reading the posts & columns, on this site particularly, there seems so much concern when a player is even mentioned!! To quote the legendary Axl Rose, we need a little patience.

As we know we don?t have the buying power or general clout in the transfer market as say Man Utd, Arsenal or any of the CL clubs and we are not on a par (financially) with Spurs, Newcastle, Pompey or City but we are an exciting proposition for a player. We are viewed as a club on the up with a good manager at the helm; with what little money we have, it is prudent for DM to take his time assessing any targets he may have ? both in terms of on-the-field ability & off-the-field personality ? as we all know how much emphasis Moyes puts on the team spirit and togetherness of his squad. It enables him to get more out of them.

So chill your boots lads & lasses, you can only judge someone by their own track record and what they have done in the past & I would back Moyes's record against most in European football in his time here.

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Kevin Bennett
1   Posted 12/06/2008 at 08:36:06

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It would appear that yet again we are slow off the blocks in the signing of new players. Although it is a dangerous game and leaves us vulnerable to losing out on our targets, I have a theory as to why we are always slow.

If we sign 6 players at the end of May (in our dreams) say at an average of £25k a week I make that a wage bill of approximately £1.2 million before we are in August and not really kicked a ball in competetive action. Thats a lot of money for our club, and must have some bearing on the timing of new signings.

It just worries me that pre-season approaches and we all know the frustrations of awaiting news from Goodison as the clock ticks to Deadline Day!!

Alex Baker
2   Posted 12/06/2008 at 13:57:22

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Not very many Premier League clubs have actually made any signings yet, so it?s probably a bit too earley to hit the panic button just yet. Even so, it would be good if we could make some signings before the big scramble for signatures on deadline day!!!
Rob Hollis
3   Posted 12/06/2008 at 13:10:50

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It is interesting to read the speculation regarding Everton transfer targets and fan comments about them. Will they be good enough? Can we afford it?

None of us have any idea about how much can be spent this summer, if the sale of Bellefield will have any implications on that budget, who Moyes actually wants, why Moyes has not signed a new contract as yet.

There are either unresolved issues within the club or they are playing the cards close to the chest in order to quietly achieve their targets. I would suspect the latter but who really knows anything?

Erik Dols
4   Posted 12/06/2008 at 14:08:18

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Having a fit Tim Cahill next season is like a new signing!
James Mako
5   Posted 12/06/2008 at 14:09:58

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John, good to have another sane mind here when others are panicking let fretting house wives. i just posted something in the mailbag in the same vein. it is ridiculous the overblown worrying going on with people on this site. I don?t see massive transfer movement anywhere at the moment, yet we are "slow off the mark", "leaving it late again" and so forth........ apparently.

It's a marathon not a sprint, and Moyes usually doesn?t disappoint. If you just want signings early on for signings sake you're a tool. And as bad as those Newcastle fans I always heard getting slammed as they are won over by a trophy purchase every year. Grow up and stop fretting you?d think we were in a creche.

ps: I?m not taking a shot at those who run TW who don?t tend to fuel what is ridiculous hyperbole over non-events in rags and rumours from attention seekers.

Tom Hughes
6   Posted 12/06/2008 at 14:18:21

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Are you writing KW’s lines? ;)
Barry Sherlock
7   Posted 12/06/2008 at 14:38:23

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Good post John.
I agree, Moyes is doing his homework and will suss out what is best and make the signings accordingly.

Having said that..... I am a bit worried we are heavily linked with the 5ft 7" Portugese midfielder though. We need more height in the middle. I think that was the reason that Baines did not play so much last season (because we needed height at set pieces). But I have faith in Moyes to put it right this summer.
Mike hughes
8   Posted 12/06/2008 at 14:45:35

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I decided last year that the speculation / rumour mill is a complete waste of time......a combination of lazy journalists, gossip, rumour and the internet making all of this stuff by-pass any editorial scrutiny alot of the time. I’m giving it a miss this year as it is clearly a complete crock of shit most of the time. It’s not confined to footy either. Some idiot put an album review on Amazon recently (3 out of 5 stars) while openly admitting that he hadn’t heard it and it hadn’t yet been released!
David Torley
9   Posted 12/06/2008 at 14:40:31

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Why sign players at the end of May when contracts run July 1st to Jun 30th?
EJ Ruane
10   Posted 12/06/2008 at 14:51:22

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(Whispers to Moyes so other managers can’t hear)

B o s i n g w a

carl rutherford
11   Posted 12/06/2008 at 14:50:11

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The reason for not signing anyone is quite straight forward. The selling club want to make as much money as they can on the player. They realise that Man City / Chelsea / Spurs and a couple of others have a huge transfer budget and these are usually the clubs that buy first because they don’t worry about paying above the market value. Then as the transfer window develops valuations tend to be more realistic and the majority of clubs begin purchasing players. However we are far more prudent as a club and will stick to our valuation for players. This means we have to wait for any clubs who are likely to outbid us to finish their transfer business before clubs will drop their asking price to meet our valuation.

Buying early means meeting the valuation of the selling club. Something we will not be prepared to do.
Gaz E
12   Posted 12/06/2008 at 14:59:18

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EJ Ruane - Bosingwa’s signed for Chelsea. £16.2m last month...

I’d say Moyes knows what he’s doing in the transfer market, more so than any of us. Hence he’s the manager - we’re the supporters.
Adam Doyle
13   Posted 12/06/2008 at 15:07:56

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I’m amazed that we’re beating the likes of Man Utd, Barca and AC Milan to the signings of Moutinho and Veloso. I’m confident we’ll get them for the paltry sum of £30 million. It says so in the papers, and they wouldn’t just make it up, would they?
Paul OHanlon
14   Posted 12/06/2008 at 15:28:15

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More worried about Moyes not signing his new contract to be honest. Could it be that he’s been promised the funds he wants this summer but we haven’t yet aquired them? Hope so!
EJ Ruane
15   Posted 12/06/2008 at 15:23:13

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Gaz - You say...

"Moyes knows what he?s doing in the transfer market, more so than any of us. Hence he?s the manager - we?re the supporters"

"Well.....(lights ceeegar...puff...puff...) he may know more than YOU m’boy, but he certainly does NOT know more than me!

What a cr-AZY notion!

Who bought Kroldrup?


Who.....I say WHOOOO bought Shandy Van Der Ale-Tank?

It certainly was

Turns to Judge: Your honour, is there really any need to further waste the courts time?"

Tony Waverleas
16   Posted 12/06/2008 at 15:40:39

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I salute you for asking some of our more sweaty-browed fans to wind their necks in and have patience.
But you’re wasting your time.
You know that "Six Degrees of Separation" theory? Well, for a majority of Evertonians it’s something similar but in our case we are only ever a hop, skip and jump from full-blown panic.
The Zoltan Gera post on here yesterday was a classic of its kind: Fulham sign a player and dum-dee-dum our squad is going to be too small to cope next season.
No reasoning. Just blind panic.
Alan Hill
17   Posted 12/06/2008 at 15:34:10

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In view of the rejection of the planning application for Bellfield all this talk of transfers is just twaddle. Everton will need all the cash to finance the move to a second rate stadium tacked on to the side of a supermarket in Kirkby. Sorry to bring this old chestnut up again.
Tony Waverleas
18   Posted 12/06/2008 at 16:06:20

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And as Alan has just proved so well we are also only ever a hair’s breadth away from blaming BK. For Everything. All the time.
"I had a cup of tea at the match last week. It was too hot. F****ing Kenwright!", etc, etc, ad nauseum.
Matthew Barry
19   Posted 12/06/2008 at 16:00:18

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It’s never any different in the close season, we will be linked with pretty much everybody. However to echo a few of the early posts Moyes will take his time and try and secure the best players at the right prices for Everton. Arteta,Cahill and Lescott all for under £10m shows his capabilities in that area. I’m sure there will be a ceative loan deal that will also come to fruition. We have a good squad that needs tweaking, not overhauling. Let’s all wait and see and keep our faith in Davey’s judgement.
Paul OHanlon
20   Posted 12/06/2008 at 16:18:53

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EJ, you’re a strange bloke...but you make me laugh anyway!
Jay Harris
21   Posted 12/06/2008 at 16:17:49

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As regards saving wages there is nothing to stop us getting contracts signed now to be effective later (say mid July).

My major concern (apart from the obvious one of DM not signing his contract nor getting a numer 2 in)is that we always have a better season when we have a good preseason with the whole squad and while it is ok to squeeze one or two late ones in like Yak last year with the number of new signings we need we really have to start early.

We need Fernandes,Carsley,McFadden,Wessells replacements and some squad cover.

That will take time so I cant imagine we’ll be buying 4 or 5 players all at once in mid July.
Richard Watts
22   Posted 12/06/2008 at 16:09:47

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Couldn?t agree with John Moore. It?s highly unlikely anyone involved in Euro 2008 will move until after their team is out so even in the highly unlikely event that we do get either Moutinho and Veloso we shouldn?t hold our breath.

Yes, Moyes has made some howlers in the market (Kroldrup, Beattie) but so has every manager - Ferguson (£28m on Veron), Wenger (Jeffers etc.) and Mourinho (£13m on Ferreira) included - and his record is better than most. Bad things happen to clubs whose managers dive recklessly into the transfer market - just look at Newcastle. If what we see as dithering is actually careful scouting and tough negotiations we should welcome it ? as this is the only way to reduce your chances of getting a dud.

After all, there were people on TW at this time last year saying that Moyes was dithering when he missed out on Smith, Nugent et al. Not sure anyone is saying that now.
Kevin Jones
23   Posted 12/06/2008 at 16:13:18

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On transfers in the summer we along with Spurs Newcastle Villa and maybe City and Pompey are second choices, all the top players will go to the top 4 who have a bigger pot and more chance of winning things, IE Aaron Ramsey, therefore if you are a good but not great player and you have a choice to come to us or say Newcastle what do you say to yourself, well Everton are a top 8 club with an outside chance of winning something but have offered £40,000 a week Newcastle massive under achievers but still outside chance of winning something £60,000 a week, doesn’t take a rocket scientist does it. Yes we can now offer European football, which is a good bargaining tool, but in my opinion most players are money orientated and can live without Eufa. So until we get some serious investment, which isn’t as easy as some supporters think it is, we will have to settle for top 10 finishers with the odd run in a cup. I go to the match because I love football, only 4 teams can win things in a season so to win something is a major achievement. Anyhow lets gets DM signed up before anybody else
Chris Dawson
24   Posted 12/06/2008 at 17:42:18

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The transfer window doesnt officially open until July 1st. Any deals that are done and announced are still not technically official as their paperwork hasnt been sent through so none of our competitors have signed anyone!!!
Richard Harris
25   Posted 12/06/2008 at 17:48:15

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I’ll believe the misinformed transfer rumours the day that we have a Government that votes to detain without charge for more than a month. There, now that’s settled the summer speculation and we can all go on holiday and wait to see the new signings unveiled for the friendlies.......
..or maybe on reflection we could be in for Moutinho and Veloso !!
Mark Reid
26   Posted 12/06/2008 at 19:07:46

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In any negotiation - if the club says "we have ’x’ to spend" the club is automatically put into a poor position since the opponent in the negotiation knows exactly what you’re prepared to spend.

Hence the club has done the right thing keeping figures close to "Bully’s" huge chest. It keeps prices down - in an already inflated marketplace.

Also re: Patience, since the best contracts for the club invariably involve some sweetneers and contract clause advantage taking (al la Pienaar £2.05m)... its all about PATIENCE as the club’s lawyers and advisors scope the best deals in Moyes’ target list.

Some prespective exciting transfers of the Portuguese, Spanish and English (plus one Yank) variety are emerging. But its undoubtably being done away from public glare and are protracted negotiations, much like the Cahill, Lescott, Arteta, Yak, Jags, Pienaar negotiations were.

I’m patient - was abit down about Ramsey - but am happier with what we’re supposedly looking at trying to get in that we’ve heard in the past few days.

COYB and I back Moyes, He’s proved he can be trusted.
Andy Maher
27   Posted 12/06/2008 at 19:04:07

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Last year was the same. Then we were linked with Smith, Barton, Richardson, Koumas and luckily didnt get any- fans were saying then how we were getting left behind
Josh Doherty
28   Posted 12/06/2008 at 22:11:23

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EJ Ruanne, You might play Champ Manager on your PC but moyes manages a REAL football team.You dont know more than moysey you would have a job in football if you did. Who Signed Cahill? Not you Who signed Arteta? It was certainly not you!
Who signed Lescott, Yobo, Jags, Peanuts, Howard? Not you! You wouldnt have the knowledge. It was david Moyes, he has done what one of the most succesful managers in britain couldnt do (walter smith) Steer everton out of an annual relegation battle. Nuff said...
Jim lloyd
29   Posted 12/06/2008 at 22:41:39

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I think you’ve hit it right on the button. Patience is the watchword. I also think we can get a bit carried away, with some of fantastic players on show. Yes, it would be great to have a wish list of the best of these, drooling at the mouth to come to EFC. The likelyhood is we’ll have about 20million or so at best, to spend.
If that’s so, then Moyesie will have to spend every penny wisely. If we can get two really good players (one midfielder and one forward) plus a couple of decent squad players, then, I think that will be it.
I hope he can also find one or two young uns who might just make it.
We can’t compete cashwise with any of our competitors but I believe Davey Moyes will bring in good additions to the squad.
Miles Wilson
30   Posted 13/06/2008 at 05:33:03

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It worries me that nothing has ben done yet especially in midfield where we should have had a replcement for Cars lined up especially with A vdM and Gravo slinking off and seemingly nothing settled with Fernandes.
Michael Brien
31   Posted 13/06/2008 at 07:14:48

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I have a mate here at work in Lincoln who is a Gooner - they have lost Flamini,possibly Hleib and it looks as though Adebayor wants to go - so it’s not just Evertonians who are starting to panic !!!

It’s early days as John says and we need to show a bit more faith in Moyes - he gets it right more times than he gets it wrong.

A lesson from History(recent) -
Summer 2004 - How many of us were thinking " I hope we sign Tim Cahill ?"
Summer 2006 - How many of us thought " We really need to sign someone like Lescott from Wolves ?"
Summer 2007 - Did any of us think " We need that Jagielka and what about Pienaar ?"

Just 4 examples of players we have signed during the close season that I am sure were a surprise to most Evertonians - and players who have been very good signings. I can recall last year a few Evertonians doubting the wisdom of signing "Jags" - I wonder what they think now ?!!

I read yesterday
one response to a mailbag article someone saying we would sign Huddlestone cos DM prefers to sign British only - yeah like Howard,Valente,Yobo,Cahill,Arteta etc etc !!!!!

As John says lets keep calm and show some faith in our manager.
barry heyes
32   Posted 13/06/2008 at 09:21:29

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If we can make just one big early class signing it might just sway a lot of other players to come and join us, with the luxury of Europe a big reason to come here and them knowing that we mean business next season! But I am pleased that we are looking at, and investing a lot of money in all the younger star players that are available, if we can unearth a couple of class first teamers out of them it will be worth the while!
Jay Campbell
33   Posted 13/06/2008 at 10:51:26

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I have faith in the manager it’s the fuckn board that want’s lashing.
Ciarán McGlone
34   Posted 13/06/2008 at 11:02:30

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Yeah, right enough ...those who are cynical about our transfer acumen are certainly not being rational!

After all we could get a couple of last minute crackers like Kilbane and Neville! And what?s the point of paying the market value whenever we can ?pay Everton?s valuation?... a re-write of market economics that should be heralded as revolutionary!

Thank god for Wyness, an economic genuis!

..and Valente will be like three new signings next season...
EJ Ruane
35   Posted 13/06/2008 at 13:16:21

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Josh (?) you say..

"EJ Ruanne, You might play Champ Manager on your PC...".

It’s odd because the language sort of looks like English but (and I have a strong feeling this is to do with my age) I have NO idea what any of that means.

(and it’s one n in RuaNe...dumbkoff!)

Micky Norman
36   Posted 13/06/2008 at 16:18:33

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EJ. Whooooo bought Steven Pienaaaaaaar? how much did he payeeee?
EJ Ruane
37   Posted 13/06/2008 at 16:54:25

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One poster on Irish toffees made a suggestion I like.

He hoped Moyes would contact Derby about Robbie Savage, then talk to Savage, then offer him a 5 year deal, but before anything is signed - fuck him off!!!
Rory Buchanan
38   Posted 13/06/2008 at 19:27:45

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Let’s be honest guys, if we had a fully fit squad last season we probably wouldn’t have stuttered over the finish line. We were without so many of our ’midget gems’ after January and it quite clearly took a toll on our football. Getting Arteta, Cahill, Vaughan, Pienaar + Osman fit for the full season would make us a formidable side. Not saying these lads are the only ones to do it for us but certainly all bring something to the pitch that enhances our team. For me the biggest replacement required is Cars but maybe pushing Yobo up to that defensive midfield role would be a good idea, he seems a bit more composed on the ball than Lescott or Jags and has the pace and energy to cover the pitch, dare I say, better than Carsley. A couple more players are definitely needed but think the biggest ’signings’ we will get next season are all the boys coming back from niggling injuries.
Jay Harris
39   Posted 14/06/2008 at 03:33:08

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Rory agree with your sentiment but what happens if we get a shedload of injuries again and we did use McFadden, Gravesen, Fernandes and Carsley for at least 60 games between them.
Plus other sides are strengthening so we will get left behind if we dont get more players in.
Tony Part
40   Posted 14/06/2008 at 08:26:17

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Kevin Thomson of Rangers doesnt really set the pulses racing either and to be honest when it comes to Everton Football Club doing summer dealings I am always worried and nervous until they players have signed on the dotted line. How many times in the past have we been in a transfer window where every man and his dog has known we either needed a striker/wide midfielder ect ect: and then the window has closed without one being brought in?

Moyes has got a lot of his transfers spot on I don't think anyone could ever doubt that but there are some examples where his stuttering has been a pain in the arse like in the summer of 2005 when we had qualified for the Champoins League and had the best part of the Rooney money and he spent it on defenders and a injury-prone Simon Davies. I am not at a state of panic yet but if it goes on and we still haven't signed anyone by the first week of July then it comes a bit higher the level of frustration..

Perhaps the transfer window will develop late again like last year but that's a very risky plan to take up.

Tony Graham
41   Posted 14/06/2008 at 19:04:38

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Arshavin is just what we need, a playmaker of quality who will thrive in the Premier League, stop twatting about and get him in, before somebody else does!!
James Connolly
42   Posted 14/06/2008 at 23:46:08

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Watching the transfer window circus is like watching a soap, we are all eager to know who killed JR?

I have faith in Moyes and fully believe he will bring in the right players to improve our team. But who I hear you shout?

Well, all we know for sure is that he has his sights on 2/3 players who are representing their countries at the Euros.

I don’t care about the players other clubs sign. If Arshavin goes somewhere else other than Everton, then it wasn’t meant to be.

I don’t believe anything will happen until at least the two weeks after the Euros have finished. So until then, I’m just gonna sit back and relax!
Terry Smith
43   Posted 17/06/2008 at 17:47:21

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I agree in what you are saying too. ? chill out.

But what does concern me is that Moyes should've had his targets already as he does prefer to have his squad gelled together for the big kick off.

Another thing that worries me is with the Euros on surely someone like Arshavin that Moyes likes and has watched more than once ? why on earth have we not tried to sign him already before there is a chance of his valuation increasing! And another thing that is still worrying me is that Moyes has not signed his contract, which still means no No 2, which also indicates the board still have not satisfied him yet..

Alisdair Denny
44   Posted 18/06/2008 at 09:30:40

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Am I the only person who realises that we actually HAVE signed a player - Steven PIenaar - and have held talks with another - Aaron Ramsay.
And there’s still another 74 days left, so why on earth is anyone getting anxious that we haven’t signed any other players.

I suppose that’s the trouble with the younger generation - they want it, they want it now, and they don’t even seem to care what "it" is, as long as they get it - now
Scott McAllster
45   Posted 18/06/2008 at 12:05:48

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I cant understand why people are saying we are slow off the mark again this summer? How many other clubs have made a signing worth talking about at the moment? Spurs maybe with buying Luca Modric. Other than that no-one else has bought as it is quite obvious that clubs are waiting for the Euro’s to finish. Have faith in Moyes, he may have made a couple of bad signings in the past, but his good signings far outway the bad and i believe he will deliver again.

In Moyes we trust. COYB
Barry Sherlock
46   Posted 18/06/2008 at 13:36:36

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Alisdair Denny,
I would not class Peanut as a new transfer. I wouldn’t class Manny as a new transfer (if that happens). Because we had the use of these players last year. We have had Cars, Tommy, Wessels, Stubbs & possibly/hopefully Shandy VD Meyder all leave the club without them being replaced. We need to build our squad depth as well as the quality. This summer is a very important summer in terms of the numbers and quality that we sign. I have no doubt that DM is looking at all the right players, but signing them - that’s another story! That is where the EFC board get involved......
Jason Burrows
47   Posted 18/06/2008 at 14:55:14

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Why get annoyed with transfers at the moment?? It's all speculation... NOBODY has started buying players yet, give it a few months then start getting annoyed. Until then chill out and enjoy the Euros!!
Barry Sherlock
48   Posted 19/06/2008 at 10:07:40

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For those who think we are not slow off the mark; Sidwell going to Villa. Jo going to City. Riise going to Roma. It’s not a case that I thought we should have bought any of these players but, clubs are talking to players and lining them up for transfer. We haven’t been talking to anyone.... yet. Should we already have been talking to Arshavin? Zenit say they want him gone before TOMORROW. Should we have sorted it before the Euro’s?

I’ve said before that this summer is a very important summer in terms of improving the squad and ensuring that the numbers are right.
Steve Brown
49   Posted 20/06/2008 at 13:21:16

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I still fondly remember Houllier’s dramatic early swoops after the 2002 World Cup. Who can forget such legendary signings as Diao, Diouf and the never to be forgotten Bruno Cheyrou. Let’s all breath in, stop trying to link everything back to the Kirby stadium (BORING!!!) and wait to see what Moyes decides to do.
Dom Wilkinson
50   Posted 20/06/2008 at 15:14:57

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Once again pre season is here and everybody has an opinion of who we should and shouldn’t buy.Alls that i would say is trust Moyes.Hes got it right before and he’ll do it again.Last season everyone moaned about Jagielka coming but fuck me what a player hes been.Also when we say other teams have more dough then if a player is coming to you just for money then we don’t want him.I f hes coming to play for everton f.c and wants to play in a good team then thats what we want.We don’t just have to go out and buy everyone just because they’re available.Of course we want to see quality but also we have to be sensible with what we spend.Just look at the other shite and see where the monies got them.Come on Blue boys.

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