Now I know we take the proverbial out of them all the time in relation to their roots and the fan base being considerable outside of Liverpool, however while I am proud that the bulk of Liverpool people support Everton (not true really is it but it makes us all feel better to think so), you have to look at it commercially and remove the emotion from the stadium debate for example and admit albeit difficult that the fan base they have is massive and one that in the commercial world we wish we had.
The stadium debate and other financial issues including that of an investor would not be a discussion point as we would not be going to Kirkby as we would not need Tesco and we would have a more realsitic chance of achievment if we had this type of potential revenue.
The bottom line is we are who we are and we are proud and whilst I hate everything I have said here unfortunatley commercially we are light years behind them and in my opinion will never catch them up.
So we have to be happy with something else and measure ourselves very differently than just the benchmark that is them, which will focus us all more on what is important ? Everton.
I expect dissenters but I also expect that really we all know deep down that we missed the boat some years ago for reasons we all know about and have to forget, I am going to take everything we do from here on in that is good as a bonus and at the moment there is a lot more bonus than their has been for twenty plus years.
I would even go as far to say that Everton fans will be in whatever stadium we end up at, in their thousands as always, because Everton is all that matters. You all know you will... so whilst I applaud the likes of KEIOC and other for their valiant efforts, cometh the day you will all be supporting Everton and at the match, because that's what Everton supporters do and have always done ? support their team.
And in todays very precarious market I think less debt versus our real competitors is a potential feather in our cap. and in relative terms to the others we are getting a good deal financially albeit £78 million could redevelop Goodison and I support that.
Servicing high amounts of debt today and for the next few years will be a painful process and will send some clubs to the wall. I don't want that to happen to us and the ironic thing about all of this is if you don't support the club then it will be your absence from wherever we are that will cause the biggest damage ? and don't ever forget that.
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1 Posted 28/06/2008 at 18:23:24
2 Posted 28/06/2008 at 19:00:26
And we didn?t miss the boat - we were torpedoed by the Tory government taking full advantage of the unforgivable and UNFORGETTABLE behaviour of a section of our loveable neighbours support.
3 Posted 28/06/2008 at 19:39:19
Just guessing but
you are under 35
you don’t know (without looking it up) who was the 4th member of the Holy Trinity
you don’t live in Liverpool or, if you do, you’re tired of being belittled by kopites so think it’s time to get out of town anyway
4 Posted 28/06/2008 at 20:31:42
5 Posted 28/06/2008 at 21:40:05
6 Posted 28/06/2008 at 22:03:13
You’ve had your say, you’ve surrended - without a fight - so if you dont mind, there’s a few of us not quite ready to roll over
7 Posted 28/06/2008 at 22:15:44
8 Posted 28/06/2008 at 22:47:56
Yet, we are in danger of leaving a vibrant city,which happens to be our home.
If we leave, we would see what effect there would be on the future support but I think it’s a terrible gamble. I don’t believe the club has looked in ant depth at the alternatives available and they haven’t (as far as I know) got into any kind of talks with a)the council to see what would be available at Goodison, b) with The council and Bestway,to see if there is any possibility of developing the loop and c) with Sainsbury’s and the council re Wally Hall Park.
It may be that none of these schemes would work but I believe Mr Kenwright and Co are not interested in any other packeage than Kirkby,
So, reluctantly, I choose to do the only thing I feel is right...and that means I won’t be going to Kirkby.
What a sad situation for us all, eh. We could be pulling together and getting behind a new GP. Instead, we’re split.
9 Posted 29/06/2008 at 00:04:26
10 Posted 29/06/2008 at 02:25:37
It's not those who protest that signed up for a mid-range stadium in a poor economic area desperate for regeneration, not them who made the statements...
No, we have been left with the aftermath of such things and been expected to trust the board or just ignore it all because we are too dumb to have an opinion.
It's not us who won?t discuss with the fans, it's not us who are silent, it's not us who have an exclusivity agreement.
Those amongst use who are sick and tired and want to leave it all up to the club should remember that the legacy messers Kenwright and Wyness is of such a high risk to our financial future and our tradition that the questions HAVE to be answered.
There is too much at stake not to fully investigate and get the best deal for the club. The split in the fan base has come about by disinformation, lack of detailed information from the club and the promises broken with scant regard for even discussion or explanation
All of us want the best for our club. The facts we have been given and the discrepancies that have come to light required answering by the club. But they haven?t. It's not just about passion. It's not just about location.
My concerns have been voiced in many of my articles for which I have been praised and condemned in equal amounts. But they have consistantly asked the board to answer the concerns of the fans. I have taken the view that a failure to do so is either because they have an ulterior motive or they have not shown competancy in their dealings with fans, councils or others. The failure to do so holds the personal reasons for not doing so up to perhaps undue scrutiny and condemnation.
They have only themselves to blame. Bill Kenwright is an Evertonian. Bill Kenwright is a businessman. He is astute in the workings of the West End not in the workings of a football club, that's why he has placed that trust in Kieth Wyness. It is a trust misplaced.
No one would begrudge Bill from making a good profit from his endeavours, so he should. But BK's expertise comes from a different industry and his already publicised history of naive dealings and an incompetant CEO make it difficult to place the trust of so many of us in this management team. We may respect Kenwright for what he has done but call on him to justify such a move.
No Matter where Everton play, they will always be supported but you build upon what you have and yes we are special, we have a tradition that makes us special.
On an accountants spreadsheet it's called goodwill and people pay for goodwill not give it away or sacrifice it. Those who would discount or put no value on our tradition risk all for what? A mid-range stadium in an out of town retail supermarket site.
I have been called a Luddite, a RS fifth columnist, delusional, sentimentalist, patronized... the list goes on. I am just a passionate Evertonian.
But that does not stop the questions from going unanswered, from the club showing us any respect, from the club wanting to take us to a place that is a poor location, a poor stadium and no heart. If the move to Kirkby happens I will be heavy of heart and STILL believe it will be wrong. I will HOPE it isn?t but my personal experience will still leave me with grave doubts. I will still support the club, still go the game when I can, wherever it is but do not ever think that I would be happy to do so especially if all the questions go unanswered.
I love the club. All my life I have loved the club. That will never change. But I call it the way I see it too. If that means I am a traditionalist, a luddite or whatever, I really don?t mind because without some one asking the questions how can we ensure truth and honesty? How can we truly call this the People's Club?
11 Posted 29/06/2008 at 07:01:48
Me: why, it’s like signing a new bonus.
What I do know is, that the quoted 78mill, which is how many months out of date now, will NEVER go any lower, it will only go up and up and UP. It will soon be so high as to make redeveloping Goodison viable, in fact too good to miss out on.
We were promised, amongst other things, a world class facility....
The creme de la creme
What we may end up with is the...
Creme de la semi skimmed.
12 Posted 29/06/2008 at 09:06:42
13 Posted 29/06/2008 at 11:07:06
14 Posted 29/06/2008 at 11:26:03
Because it’s part of being an EVERTONIAN, can’t you see that if you (presumiong you’re a regular match goer) don’t go to the 19 home games a season that’d cost the club £665 and then if you multiply it by 5000 (seems like that amount don’t want to go) and the clubs 3.325m out of pocket, add to that the fact that 5000 less fans in a stadium can have an impact on the players and you really are damaging the club
15 Posted 29/06/2008 at 12:49:45
I deliberately use that collective term because you liken being an Evertonian to belonging to the Moonies. We are volunteers not conscripts and if the Tesco annexe is half empty don’t say you weren’t warned in advance. Perhaps the yes-voters could buy extra season tickets. .
16 Posted 29/06/2008 at 13:14:59
17 Posted 29/06/2008 at 13:23:45
And if you’d care to meet up and call some of my pals ’babyish twats’, face to face, I’d be happy to hold your coat
18 Posted 29/06/2008 at 13:29:20
Try to see the 1914 Kitchener poster and imagine yourself in the role of Recruitment Officer for the Everton Refugees based in the Kirkby shopping centre.
If the loss of £3m+ is causing you concern, why don’t you suggest either a price increase (I’m sure that’s already in hand) or a pay cut for those players who were at the forefront of the Kirkby promotion brochure.
19 Posted 29/06/2008 at 22:03:59
20 Posted 30/06/2008 at 12:33:16
Show me your season ticket for the last 20 years and I will believe your comment.
A true supporter would never say that.
21 Posted 30/06/2008 at 14:19:30
22 Posted 30/06/2008 at 14:29:11
Rather than complain , come up with something yourself or do you prefer to just slag other peoples posts and comments as you really have no original points of view.
23 Posted 01/07/2008 at 00:01:37
However, if you are willing to accept my word that I have been watching the blues since one particularly pissing down night in 1960, will you accept my word?
As for betting me, all I will say, is that I will happily put a £1000 towards regenerating GP,. should you come out and do likewise. Mind you, I’ll have to live on gruel butties for years but so what!
24 Posted 01/07/2008 at 09:13:01
Deep down you must be the same.
I would not do likewise re a £1000 pound, I wont go into the details but I spend 50 times that amount a season at Goodison and considerably more than that over the last 5 years.
I am of the opinion that money invested requires a financial return to me personally, its up to the board to come up with it or come up with a scheme that generates income for the club and a return for the fans.
Nothing is for nothing in this world unless your the RS that is.
Dont like to see fellow Evertonians starve so be careful.
25 Posted 01/07/2008 at 22:39:06
26 Posted 07/07/2008 at 20:03:04
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