For the first time in a long time, I now enjoy watching Everton play. The hoofball mentality is slowly being replaced by some decent on-the-carpet type footy and we have tightened up at the back. Things are looking up and I am asking myself the question... Is David Moyes beginning to evolve as a manager? Then along comes the Fellaini incident on Saturday to crush any notions I may of had about Moyes changing his ways.
WTF was David Moyes thinking about keeping Fellaini on the pitch for the second half on Saturday?? Every Evertonian in the country was screaming for him to be replaced once we went two up... but no ? Moyes knows best.
I read a quote on Sunday that DM made and it was along the lines of.... "We were 2-0 up against Newcastle earlier in the season and ended up drawing 2-2 so I thought it best to keep Fellaini on in case Hull made a comeback." So there it is in black and white ? Moyes admits the was scared of a poxy Hull side who haven't won a game in the last 12 matches and who we where already two down at Goodison Park.S orry but I just can't accept that one bit.
If, like me, you consider the next two games we play to be the biggest challenge we have faced for years, then you will understand the frustration and the anger at such incompetent management. It was going to be hard enough with two trips to Anfield in a week without the manager sacrificing one of our best players because the manger was scared of Hull City. FFS, Hull City!!!
What made me laugh though was the reaction from DM when Fellaini was inevitably booked minutes in to the second half of the game. Moyes appeared to be the only person inside the ground shocked that it happened. I still can't believe it was allowed to happen though. Pathetic really.
Regardless of wether or not you think Fellaini will be missed in the Derby games, these type of dithering decisions are what stop Moyes from moving on as a football manager. It's not just Saturday's lapse though ? it's been going on for years now.
As I have said in the past, all the good work David Moyes does is always countered by really poor stuff. Negativity and the lack of a killer instinct are just two of the problems that need addressing. That, and pussyfooting about with that clueless chairman of ours is another.
It's now the 12th of January and not a sausage. No sign of a new player anywhere. What the fuck is going on? We lost all of our strikers early in December so it's not as if we haven't had time to look for anyone is it? Don't give me that "no money" malarkey either. Moyes should demand the cash or threaten to go. Show some balls and stand up to Bungalow Bill.
Even a Mickey Mouse club like Swansea have got players from Barcelona on loan and Valencia and Khazi ended up at Wigan Athletic for buttons so don't tell me there is no-one out there.I reckon a punt on Dave Nugent is even worth the risk at around £2 million quid... We would easily get that back if the lad bombed. I mean, Do something for fuck's sake... It beats sitting around scratching your arse all day.
Like I said in the comment box last week, Moyes will probably wait until we lose both games against the Shite untill he realises we need a striker. Then he will go out and sign someone on the 31st of January with seconds to spare in the window. It's what he usually does isn't it?
I know a lot of you won't like what I am saying but tough. It's these small attention-to-detail mistakes that DM continually makes that hold us back as a club. Moyes is doing a decent enough job but it's plain for all to see that it could be so much better. Simple things are not being done and it's costing us all the time.
As for the up and coming Derby matches, I did think we could win at least one of them until we lost Fellaini. I still think a win in the FA Cup tie is the more likely and one I would want most of all. We never beat the shite when it counts. When it really means something, we always lose. Semi-finals and finals are always lost when we play the shite and I have had more than my fill over the years.
The time has come for payback and I only hope we don't sit back at Anfield and adopt an Alamo siege mentality. We will get slaughtered. We need to get at the Bastards with all guns blazing. I hope Moyes, after 7 years in the job, has got the balls to have a go for once. I hope Moyes, after 7 years in the job, realises what these games mean to us.
These coming games against Liverpool are not just about local bragging rights any more... oh no, this time we are dealing with my sanity. I just can't take any more of the shit we have had to endure over the past 20 odd years. I reckon it's our time now. Time for us to step up to the plate and be men. Time to avenge the horrible injustices of the past.
Clive Thomas, Ian Rush, Graham Poll, Emlyn Hughes, Toshack Keegan, Dalgliesh, Rush, Fowler, Owen... all the Cocknies on the Kop. Gerrard, Torres, ... I hate the lot of you. You Bastards have ruined part of my life. It's payback and the Blues are on the march.
Come on, Moyes ? I hope you get into the spirit of things and give us long-suffering fools something to be proud of. Do these twats at Anfield and I will never doubt you again. Fail to deliver and you will never be forgiven... COYBs
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1 Posted 12/01/2009 at 18:52:33
I just hope the blues don’t let us down in another derby or two and yes I fucking hate them as well.
2 Posted 12/01/2009 at 19:04:18
3 Posted 12/01/2009 at 19:12:38
However, I disagree that Moyes’ decision to leave Fellaini on the pitch crushes any notion that he is a top manager. He sent the big lad out there to help control the game for 15 minutes and specifically asked him to avoid any unnecessary challenges. He basically told the lad he trusted him. As we all know, that backfired and Fellaini will now miss two derbies. But, in my opinion, that doesn’t make it a bad decision.
Moyes wanted to win the game against Hull and knew that Fellaini had played a huge part in our first half dominance. If he’d taken him off and Hull had scored on 50 minutes (they have, after all, scored in every other away game this season) we’d have been on edge for 40 minutes and criticisimg Moyes for thinking he had the game wrapped up at half-time.
4 Posted 12/01/2009 at 19:30:56
Personally, I would have been confident enough to put Castillo on in his stead to keep things tight but had that backfired, I?m sure some fans would have reamed him for not focusing on the game at hand and keeping Fellaini on the field.
Having said all that, though, I?m largely ambivalent about missing Mo the ?Fro for the derbies because he?d be a red card waiting to happen in that kind of game. If Shandy Andy could get his marching orders for one of the most innocuous elbow incidents imaginable, I don?t think Fellaini would last half an hour.
That?s a shame, because he certainly brings a lot to the table despite his flaws but we?ll see how the team adapts without him starting Monday.
5 Posted 12/01/2009 at 19:32:35
Well done Marsh for giving a bit of credit ? I thought it was beyond you. I openly admit I am a Moyes believer but if we go there and roll over twice like earlier in the season then yes it's unforgivable. BUT if we go there with a game plan and do our best (without our top scorer AND record signing) and play with heart and spirit and with an intention to win ? that is all I ask for. COYB Regardless of our thoughts on Ourfella and his booking, let?s unite against the shite. COYB
6 Posted 12/01/2009 at 19:37:19
Even without him if we play as we have been we still have a chance.
7 Posted 12/01/2009 at 19:54:48
On transfers, as always, I think Moyes should be judged at the end of the transfer window and not somewhere in the middle of it. Surely you can give him that much benefit of the doubt.
8 Posted 12/01/2009 at 19:52:29
Secondly, to quote "when it really means something, we always lose. Semi-finals and finals are always lost when we play the shite and I have had more than my fill over the years." - Too bloody true! Looks like every other manager that’s gone before Moyes was a bottler too!
But I love the stirring sentiment and I too am sick and tired of losing out to the RS. Here’s hoping that our luck’s in over these two matches even without Screech.
9 Posted 12/01/2009 at 19:56:54
But hey, we gotta carry on with the cards we are dealt and I think we should just swap Castillo for Felli for the 2 games and beat them horrible fuckers!! COYB
10 Posted 12/01/2009 at 20:18:58
Kase Chow, I?m afraid you?re misguided. We are talking about a top 6 team, on form, unbeaten for a while, haven?t conceded a goal for 6 games, playing a promoted team in free-fall. We also had several good young players on the bench who can do a job for us.
As Tony says, David Moyes?s reaction when Fellaini got booked said it all. He suddenly realised he?d screwed up big time. Everton were comfortable enough to switch just one player. Are you seriously suggesting that we only have 11 players that are capable of getting a result for us? Especially when we?re 2 up against a poor & demoralised team?
Taking Fellaini off at half-time was beyond obvious. It was, by all accounts, the talk of the press box too. Had Moyes taken him off there is no way we would have lost and Moyes would have looked strong & decisive. He now looks fucking stupid for risking one of our top players? involvement in key games. It was crass. He has great difficulty making decisions when they are not forced upon him.
11 Posted 12/01/2009 at 20:38:42
12 Posted 12/01/2009 at 20:47:20
If we win both games it would probably be my finest moment of supporting Everton in my 31 years behind that of the FA Cup final of ’95. Can’t recall much of winning the title and nothing of Europe.
13 Posted 12/01/2009 at 20:56:15
Arguably, he did what he always does after getting booked: he disappears. Good thing too from the point of not getting a second yellow, but his involvement in the game and the outcome declines massively thereafter, and to raise the Newcastle spectre, as Moyes did and others have, was faintly ridiculous, as many have pointed out.
The descriptions by Tony and others of Moyes?s crucial failings at critical moments is once again bang on the nail. It is these limitations which have so far prevented him from doing far better than he has in the 7 years he has been with Everton. That's conjecture too, but valid all the same.
14 Posted 12/01/2009 at 21:00:04
15 Posted 12/01/2009 at 21:14:24
Why was it then?
16 Posted 12/01/2009 at 21:08:41
To tell you the truth, I normally go into the Derby expecting to get beat, but I reckon this time we have a great chance to turn them over. So Davey, suprise us and go for it, you just never know.
17 Posted 12/01/2009 at 21:22:21
18 Posted 12/01/2009 at 20:48:41
I'm looking forward to the games in a weird and nervous kind of way, especially the cup game. It's going to be a great atmosphere with 6,000+ of us there. I?d give anything to beat those bastards. COME ON EVERTON!
19 Posted 12/01/2009 at 21:09:55
However we won 3 points against a team we should beat (and did). We didn?t draw or lose or even concede - WE WON and Fellaini contributed. What a wonderful situation to moan about winning 2-0 at home after the start we had. Now onwards and upwards to the next game and reserve your moans for when they?re genuinely deserved.
20 Posted 12/01/2009 at 21:07:51
21 Posted 12/01/2009 at 21:26:34
He would miss the cup game and the home game against Arsenal. Personally. I think we have a much better chance of getting a result at home to Arsenal than at the RS next week and for that reason I think that Fellainin getting booked on Saturday may not be such a bad thing. We need to look at the bigger picture.
Don?t get me wrong, I would like nothing better than for us to stuff the RS on the double but history tells me that it ain?t going to happen. I do agree though that we need to show some spirit at Anfield next week and not roll over like we did at Goodison. Another performance like that embarrassment earlier in the season and I will be calling for Moyes head again also........
22 Posted 12/01/2009 at 21:29:55
I knew we would be in trouble if Yakubu got injured this season, it is a derelict of duty by the manager to not have a solution to our striking crisis.
We are playing midfielders upfront with strikers on the bench FFS!
23 Posted 12/01/2009 at 21:52:34
24 Posted 12/01/2009 at 21:50:48
The commendable base now is built firmly on not conceding, which has always been Moyes’s first priority. The problem comes when they do concede, because it destroys the players’ confidence in the gameplan. Whether they have improved sufficiently to the point where the desire and conviction of the team Moyes puts out actually reflects that of the fans cheering them on remains to be seen...
25 Posted 12/01/2009 at 22:07:32
I simply cannot take losing the way we did in the first derby this season - it was probably the worst I’ve felt for ages. Why? Cos we rolled over.
I ain’t negative: I’m realistic. We have limited resources and needed Fellaini against Hull. We don’t have a like for like replacement (Gosling nor Castillo nor others are as good or INFLUENTIAL yet). My opinion is that we needed Fellaini to secure the 3 points and we did secure the 3 points.
It’s not negative to want to hold on to a victory after failing to win so many games this season.
Think about it: it only needs a silly Jags backpass or loss of centration from Lescott to let them back in and then we’re up against it.
Fellaini is a goal threat and a physical influence meaning he stays as a goal threat AND is useful against Hull’s physical approach. It stuns me that you can’t CONCEIVE of not taking the 3 points after the season we’ve had thus far.
Use your imagination Michael. The game was not won at half time
26 Posted 12/01/2009 at 22:02:00
27 Posted 12/01/2009 at 22:26:55
I’m so sick of letting 3 points slip through our fingers.
So on Saturday, HOWEVER SO, we got what we deserved this season at home (for 1 of the few times this season) - we got 3 points. 3 damn points and Moyes secured them by keeping our best team on the pitch
28 Posted 12/01/2009 at 22:43:47
Fate has conspired to draw us against the red shite in the FA Cup in the same week we play them in the Premier League. This is big FFS. Everton FC can not afford to be drubbed twice in a week at Anfield. Our season is being brought to a head at Anfield in the space of six days. Fuck the Hull game. How good will those 3 points look if we get done twice due to lack of height or goal threat? Do you think the likes of Ferguson would risk Rooney or Ronhaldo in the same circumstances? I don't think so.
29 Posted 12/01/2009 at 22:59:10
It?s not that I don?t understand your point ? I just disagree with it.
Moyes?s primary intention was to secure the immediate 3 points in front of him i.e against Hull. And he played his best team in order to do just that. And he achieved his aim.
Ferguson makes mistakes as well ? just of a different nature: he lost to the shite by playing 3 forwards (Tevez, Berbatov and Rooney). He also lost to Derby by not risking Rooney & Ronaldo from the start.
You could argue that at least he tried to be positive at Anfield or that he doesn?t prioritise the league cup or that he expects to win the 2nd leg. Either way, we can?t exactly compare like for like situations can we? (Otherwise this argument could go on all day: why didn?t Benitez risk Torres against Stoke etc.)
Moyes has certain resources at his disposal and as all good teams? ethos is: take 1 game at a time so he did and we beat Hull. We?re not sitting here at our computers having blown 2 points: we?re actually arguing about the manner of a victory ? I actually find the nature of this argument a ?luxury? after the start to our season.
I don?t disagree that having Fellaini against the shite would improve our chances of a victory against them (note I say victory because like you, that?s what I want ? not just a draw). But, so would the confidence of yet another victory and yet another clean sheet ? and we got both.
Tony, I ask you and Michael and whoever else to reserve judgement until after BOTH derbies. If we play crap, roll over twice and show no heart, then yes, get mad, get angry, get upset cos I will.
But what you guys consider to be ?in the bag? at half-time isn?t necessarily so. So we won against Hull and we look forward to Moyes motivating whoever steps in to perform the game(s) of their lives, to sweat blood, to put their bodies on the line for the match and the fans. The result doesn?t necessarily rest with Fellaini: let?s see what we can produce.
30 Posted 12/01/2009 at 23:19:30
31 Posted 12/01/2009 at 23:24:56
32 Posted 12/01/2009 at 23:29:56
if Screech was booked on Monday he would not be able to play in the next two matches.
33 Posted 12/01/2009 at 23:57:17
34 Posted 12/01/2009 at 23:58:35
35 Posted 13/01/2009 at 00:07:17
Regarding negativity, it was inevitable that FellaIni would reach his tenth yellow card before the end of January, and as such no games are good to miss so why take him off? We play Arsenal and United straight after the two red games, whilst not directly as important they are not too far behind.
Moyes has done a cracking job, get off his back and you might actually think the glass is half full for a change!
36 Posted 13/01/2009 at 00:22:54
I thought it was 2-1.
37 Posted 13/01/2009 at 01:43:44
Having said that I can understand why Moyes did what he did. After all, we also have ManU and the Arse back to back.
The upcoming derby matches are the biggest in years, and we all recognise that. However it really gets on my tits how much we are obsessed with them (I know that it's for good reason). One of my wishes before I die is to see Evertonians look at at fixtures against the Shite with contempt, and not worry about having to keep our best players in cotton wool.
Let's go to the old ground and show that Rafa prick how a "small" club with a "negative" attitude can play (quote marks in lieu of italics to emphasise sarcasm).
38 Posted 13/01/2009 at 02:52:24
39 Posted 13/01/2009 at 03:43:06
40 Posted 13/01/2009 at 09:02:53
Moyes cannot do right for doing wrong. If he had made the substitution and Hull had come back (totally feasable) everyone would have been furious at him for taking him off too early, not having the strength to hold out, and letting three important points go. And the people criticising him on this page would have been the first ones to be sticking the pen in his back!
41 Posted 13/01/2009 at 09:16:25
42 Posted 13/01/2009 at 08:56:34
The game immediatly after these is arsenal at home, again hugely important and in my opinion very winnable. I think Fellaini is exactly the type of player to cause arsenal all kinds of problems and, although disappointed he wont be playing in the derbies, i think he will be massively important for the arsenal game.
43 Posted 13/01/2009 at 09:40:15
As usual you’re spot on..this is not about one single incident..this is about Moyes repeating mistakes ad-infintum..
Cahill in a four man midfield..jags in midfield..neville in midfield..lescott out of position..not making substitutons when they obviously need to be made..
The man is a continual calamity on what seem to be the easy things...thank god he has the redeeming feature of being able to motivate a team..
44 Posted 13/01/2009 at 09:55:44
Great article Tony.
LOL, nice try
45 Posted 13/01/2009 at 10:04:56
Hull are in a slump that has seen them win once in around 3 months and the defence is statistically better than any defence we’ve had since Joe Royle took over.
Moyes is correct in that many of the challenges for which Fellaini is penalised are a joke. However, if he can see that he is pulled up when the ’keeper runs into him, then he can also spot Fellaini elbowing a defender in the face and throat. Moyes made a poor decision, or rather, non-decision.
Here’s an idea for you. How about Moyes ensures that his strongest team is available for the cup match or has he not even entertained the idea that trying to win a trophy, or even get close to it, would be something to aim for after 7 years? Maybe Moyes hasn’t yet thought of a way for us to have a shot on target and give ourselves a chance to win the game. Torres had more shots on target in the last derby than we’ve had in the last 3!
46 Posted 13/01/2009 at 10:22:10
Tony for a minute I thought great finally something Tony Marsh has written that may be good. But no it took you a very short time to attack Moyes again. FFS man, we get it you don?t like Moyes. But stop justifying your point by saying "it's only bleedin Hull". This is the same Hull who sit up our arse in the league and until recently were sitting nicely ahead of us.
47 Posted 13/01/2009 at 09:57:14
All the pressure will be on the shite on Monday if the Mancs win their two games in hand. They haven?t been in this position before under the waiter, and he is kicking up a stink as we speak over his own contract. We are now playing with a lot of confidence, and our back four are back to their best (if he doesn?t drop Baines.) Mikel has told any would-be suitors he is happy at GP and we are playing through midfield again.
If we could derail their season within seven days it would be sweeter than anything since our last cup win. Believe me, the RS are more nervous than us about these two games, so now is the time to be counted. We were a disgrace in the last Derby and it could of easily been another 5-0. As long as we don?t sit back we can do it in both games.
48 Posted 13/01/2009 at 10:20:02
The thing that infuriates me is that we only hear from you when you’ve an axe to grind with Moyes. It’s as though you’re waiting for his next mistake. What you said about enjoying your football again was refreshing but why couldn’t we have heard that in isolation last week?
49 Posted 13/01/2009 at 10:29:46
50 Posted 13/01/2009 at 11:12:36
In my opinion I think the ref could easily have booked him prior to the actual event and if you ask me I think the ref was probably as surprised as the rest of us to see Fellaini run out for the second half; so there was no way he could continue playing as he was and not get booked. Let?s get real, half of the Hull team were out to nail him.
The RS game for me will show where we are; defensively we are now looking good, so Yobo has little or no chance of breaking into Moyes team. Additionally, Moyes has now stumbled on this 4-6-0 which allows Arteta to be ?the man? (and as most of us knew he has grabbed the bull by the horns). Arteta has the skill to bring in whoever he wants, wide or thru the middle ? basically as per the success with 4-5-1, I will be surprised if Moyes moves from 4-6-0 (i.e. Cahill and to an extent Fellaini upfront) whilst it is successful. And guys it is.
So, let?s go and give them a game ? if you're looking beyond 1-0 either way dream on. However, red and yellow cards will be order of the day ? defo!!
51 Posted 13/01/2009 at 11:16:43
It's a cliche but aren?t you only supposed to focus on the game your playing and not about the next one in 2 weeks time? Moyes's reaction was almost certainly down to the fact he would've taken Fellaini off fairly soon anyway ? after his booking had occurred. Moyes was simply (and IMO quite rightly) keeping the side tight and on top for the early second-half period. If Hull had scored immediately after kick-off and DM had subbed Fellaini at half-time, there would've been uproar. "Tactical blunder", "Sack Moyes, his subs are shit!" etc etc.
When he gets £25M to spend in one summer (without having to sell £20M first), then we can slag him off for poor football and not winning trophies. EFC are constantly outspent by richer clubs and yet some fans believe we should just naturally levitate to the top of the league. Get real.
Some of our fans sound like that ungrateful shower of shite from across the park. "Winning the CL is not good enough", "We should be winning the title every year" etc etc... boring.
52 Posted 13/01/2009 at 11:10:07
I just hope (at LEAST for these two games) Moyes will remember our performances against Utd and Chelsea this season.
True we didn?t win either, but because we ?gave it a go?, we put both of them on the back foot, played for large parts around THEIR box (nb: a part of the pitch miles from OUR goal) and basically showed no fear.
Strikers or not, we should go/run at them.
It?ll mean everyone working their plums off but... so they should.
At Goodison we showed fear, ?respect?, we stood off, they cruised and won easily.
If we work harder than them and show no fear ? I believe we CAN win..... twice!
53 Posted 13/01/2009 at 10:52:52
In the absence of the strikers, the formation hasn?t worked just because of resilience and application, it?s because Screech and Cahill have done better than they did. Screech has been our out-ball, he doesn?t just win aerial battles, he has the presence to bring the ball down and link the play. He isn?t always the best player on the pitch but for me he?s the key to pinning teams in in the last month or so.
If the Yak was fit it wouldn?t be such a blow but the idea of Tiny plying his trade alone against the shite for me is a waste of time and could leave us impotent up front. Basically, the Big Fella was their biggest threat.
I am not without hope, we still have quality at the back, players who can keep it and it only takes a quality set piece from Mikel. It just rambles me that once again the odds seem stacked in those bastards' favour who don?t have single fucking injury to worry about, Jammy twats.
Come on blues, despite all this I still agree with the title "Belief is the Key"........ please God, it?s our turn!
54 Posted 13/01/2009 at 11:22:41
Although I don't agree with many of your points, it is one of better articles. You manage to balance your article beter than I have seen before.
I?ve not always been complementary about Moyes and I do think he is prone to be indecisive but on this occasion I fully support his decision to leave Fellaini on the pitch. I even said at half time ?watch him take Screech off? fearing it would let Hull back into the game.
Your comments about Hull are just as wide of the mark, I think this is correct but this team have scored in every away match this season and are a much harder proposition than Newcastle. So he had right to ensure the points. As it happened I think he could have afforded to replace him but that's hindsight. Something you will not allow Moyes to have.
I think we need to give credit were its due and hold off on the negative remarks at least until we actually lose a goal never mind a game. Well done Moysey and I am for once optimistic that we can go into the next few games and give it a real go!
55 Posted 13/01/2009 at 11:47:14
Fuckin ell someone fetch me my respirator quick... this can?t be from Tony Marsh?s keyboard! Has the common sense fairy paid you a visit or are you mellowing in your old age? Or is this the mild intro to the torrent of abuse coming Moyes?s way (deserved or not) should we lose one of those matches?
In my opinion, Liverpool are there for the taking, we?ve got the form, the personnel and the will to win this one (despite our lack of a top class striker) ? but in my heart of hearts I just know that controversy will rob us, just as it nearly always does.
Oh... please God, Jehova, Yahwee, Elvis.... just let us do them once... twice will be a bonus!
56 Posted 13/01/2009 at 12:45:55
In fairness, haven’t we had a fairly good record in the last couple of season of late goals/coming from behind to tie or win? That suggests that confidence isn’t utterly destroyed when we concede. I don’t really know where to look that up to back it up with some stats but I don’t really see us as a team which completely collapses if we concede.
57 Posted 13/01/2009 at 13:00:22
58 Posted 13/01/2009 at 12:52:24
I am a Moyes believer and I don?t see anybody else would have done a better overall job in the last 7 years, but he does have some infuriating faults.
More infuriatingly, he seems not to always learn from his mistakes and I agree totally that we will only sign a forward if we lose at Anfield twice, at 11:59 pm on Monday, Feb 2. January is a crucial month and we need the reinforcements now. Injuries and suspensions can happen any time.
That said, I think we have all been amazed at the ability Cahill has shown up front and perhaps he is wondering if we need to bring a striker in at all?
He may go for somebody like Jenas and keep Cahill up front indefinitely? On that subject I am surprised we are not in for Lovenkrands, a class act on his day and available for nothing.
59 Posted 13/01/2009 at 13:06:50
That?s not to say anything against our defence, because frankly it?s excellent, Howard, Pip, Lescott, Jags & Baines are as good as anyone IMHO. Recent evidence supports this.
You can?t classify Hull in the same breath as Newcastle. Against the Geordies we were in a shite run. We are now bang in form, Hull are bang out of it, and we had a 2-0 lead.
Yes, we saw the game out with Fellaini playing. But that argument is rather up itself as the big fella was useless for 43 mins of the 2nd half following his booking. So do you now see the point being made here?
I?m afraid that DM?s retort about leaving Fellaini on for 10 or 15 mins of the 2nd half sounds ridiculous. 45 minutes and 35 minutes are not that far apart when 2 goals are needed. Don?t buy it I?m afraid. This showed Moyes?s failings, i.e. making a decision without having it made for him. He has virtues and has reclaimed some kudos with me & others in the past 2 months. But he still pulls up short at key moments.
60 Posted 13/01/2009 at 13:00:05
We are where we are. We?re in 6th poistion and we take on the shite without Fellaini. Yes we?d be better with him but regardless of your opinion as to whether he should be available or not, he isn?t
So how do we go about beating those arseholes? To be fair, I?d take 2 draws and a win back at Goodison in the cup.
I?d probably play Anichebe rather than Castilo as the former shows greater attacking intent and is a greater physical threat than asking Osman to join the attack. Just as we intend to attack this game all guns blazing, so will they. And it?s about time Anichebe stood up and said "I?m a Premier League player, I?m up for this."
61 Posted 13/01/2009 at 13:36:21
No manager is always right, but then again, clearly neither is every pundit!
62 Posted 13/01/2009 at 13:53:35
63 Posted 13/01/2009 at 14:53:16
Would the fact that we have NO money and player valuations are notoriously high in Jan transfer window be a consideration?
Also who realistically is gonna come in FOR £0 and make a difference to a top 6 PL team? Maybe Moyes should load up FM ?09 and scout one of those talented Norwegian 17-year-olds who turn world class in 4 years. That usually works for me.
64 Posted 13/01/2009 at 15:09:27
If you find a definition of ?supporter? that states one must tacitly accept all the decisions of the manager without criticism... then I?ll eat my hat... and your hat... and anybodies hat.
I support Everton, NOT David Moyes.
65 Posted 13/01/2009 at 16:14:42
66 Posted 13/01/2009 at 16:29:40
I want to see these up-and-coming games with the RS being played with belief, passion and a will to win. If we lose having a go then fair enough... but I can't acccept this rolling over shit like the last time we met.
HOW OR WHY is that being fickle???????
67 Posted 13/01/2009 at 16:38:28
68 Posted 13/01/2009 at 17:06:56
I could say you’re "fickle". Yes, that’s a good one.
"You know nothing about football" ? that’s always a winner!
"Moyes bashing for the sake of it" ? another excellent way to defuse the considered opinion of others.
Listen, this site is for the discussion of Everton issues. If you don’t like that discussion, or cannot treat it as such, it’s simple: DON’T PARTICIPATE!
69 Posted 13/01/2009 at 16:55:25
And it sums Moyes up with his line. So what he was basically saying was he is weary of Hull City who had won 1 in 12 despite the fact that his team had won 4 in the previous 6 and kept 5 clean sheets in 6 games. The difference between that and the Newcastle game was that at the time we were in an absolute state, where we couldnt buy a win or a clean sheet. Now we are well organised and playing decent football.
And where are the new players. I think all this about us having no money is a sham. Our finances must have improved in recent years due to finishing in top 6, Uefa Cup runs, League Cup and so on. And for every bit of money we spend on players we make money by balancing the books. I agree with Tony Moyes should threaten to walk out, cause you know what. Kenwright would shit himself there. Think about it? the guy was convinced the worlds top clubs would chase him, so this would be perfect, and would tit arse would give him the funds. But because we are doing ok at the moment Moyes will not move it. Still another 3 weeks till we find out what shite we’ve signed.
Thats the trouble with Moyes and another reason he will never be a great manager is that he will only do something if hes forced to. And despite it being blindly obvious that we have needed a winger for all these years i still dont see 1. And i.m.o our improvement in football wasn’t down to Moyes at all. It was because Yakubu got injured. He was so lazy and didnt contribute, but when he got injured everyone was hard working and all of a sudden we found the quality of football improving. I don’t want this to sound like a dig at Moyes even though ive made it clear many times i dislike him but i dont believe he’s done anything exceptional for our upturn in form, i see it more as a blessing in disguise.
And now finally onto The Shite. These are 2 massive games that will shape our season. Possibly the 2 biggest games we’ve had in a decade. And we owe them big time. This is no joke anymore we have to beat them in one, and given the choice id probably take the Cup match. I think i speak for Evertonians when i say that i really hope to god they don’t win the Title this year. That is the 1 they really want, and especially being that it’s 20 years from Hillsbrough and with the luck of the Devil its bound to be their year. If they collapse then it will make the even more paranoid. And that Benitez AKA Fat Spanish Waiter is a downright hypercrit. YES Man United get the big decisions in front of the Stretford End and i would love to smack Alex Ferguson myself, but he has some front. What does his captain Darling Stevie do? Unless i need my eyesight checking, plenty of times he’s influenced refeeres with his cheating and petulance by crying his eyes out. And the fact that they Struggled against Stoke for a point and United hammering Chelsea, maybe just maybe the tide is starting to turn. GOD I HOPE SO. And if United do win the title this year Great! Even if it means Judas picking up another title, the upside to it will be that they have equalled The Shite’s 18 and also left them waiting longer for the title which apparantly should be reserved for them.
I think Moyes should have a go at them for these games. If we get beat then it wont be for the lack of trying. And after 7 years of getting turned over by them time and time again, im hoping that he will have finally learnt his lesson that we cannot sit back at Anfield. A win there especially in the cup would be fantastic, and a double with us going onto win the Cup and them winning Fuck All would be absolute heaven. They are Truly Satans team. Regardless of whether or not theyve had to wait almost 2 decades for their precious League Title, we’ve had to wait almost as long to win a trophy. They’ve robbed a European Cup and us in the Derby countless times since, so i think if anyone deserves to get what they want, then it’s us. If there is any justice then we’d get what we want this year, but then they won the European Cup 20 years on from Footballs biggest ever crime, and when they robbed us of our greatest ever moment, so i wouldn’t hold my breath there. A Double win in a week and Winning the Fa Cup and them failing in the League would go a way to making up for the Shit we’ve had for years, and would finally make me believe in Moyes.
70 Posted 13/01/2009 at 23:14:08
We?re winning games, keeping clean sheets, and this isn?t good news for those of you who only seem to be happy when you?re complaining.
You moan about Felliani not being good enough or worth £15 million, then you bemoan the loss of him as if that fact alone guarantees defeat! Get over it, move on and stay behind the lads that will be on the field.
Maybe we should never play the Big Fella against any team other than those in the top five and then he may only miss one or two games a season! After all, if we had rested him for every game after his 6th booking, he would have been in line to play in every one of our next four, and vital games...
I pray we win the next two games... I have a feeling a few of you whingers won?t know what to do with yourselves!
71 Posted 14/01/2009 at 00:03:16
Where have you been? Oh, forgot, we?ve been doing okay recently. Good article and as ever you?re entitled to your opinion... but you just couldn?t wait to get stuck into Moyes!! 6th in the league despite not playing to our best, not bad I would say.
Understand your frustration with regards to the last derby and wanting to see the boys "have a go" ? your comments and frustrations about the last outing are fully justified and understandable. That said anyone with half a football brain will know that you have to approach games against the better teams (i.e. top 4) more cautiously. Go gun-ho and they will pick you off and humiliate you; that applies to any standard of football I?ve ever watched or played.
Moyes doesn?t always get it right but tell me a manager that does. If you were in the chair you would make mistakes (I know, unbelievable!). Results and positions speak for themselves. Sorry mate but in 7 years we are far better placed than we were in 2002 and the quality of the players on the pitch is superior, surely you can?t deny that. Or were you happier with Walter Smith and his band of past their best travellers and 15th place finishes?
Let's have some faith in the boys ? without being too greedy, a point in the league and knocking them out the cup would suit me!!
72 Posted 14/01/2009 at 00:31:41
Surprised at your outburst. Of course this is a site for the discussion of Everton issues and surely that means views from both ends of the spectrum ? pro-Moyes and anti-Moyes? The latter are certainly entitled to their views on anyone who dare suggest Moyes is doing well! If Marcus and co think it is "Moyes bashing for the sake of it" are they not allowed to say so?
73 Posted 14/01/2009 at 09:45:13
74 Posted 14/01/2009 at 11:07:04
75 Posted 14/01/2009 at 12:56:42
Personally, I would get more satisfaction from three points against the shite in the league game and therefore helping to prevent the unthinkable from happening. But going over there, all bold looking for the three points just ain?t in his mentality is it?
76 Posted 14/01/2009 at 13:32:34
With or without Fellaini, I doubt we?ll beat them at Anfield ? they don't lose many at home.
77 Posted 14/01/2009 at 20:24:36
78 Posted 14/01/2009 at 21:34:59
Good Article btw.
79 Posted 18/01/2009 at 17:57:54
Your views about "hoofball" I have always agreed with and I share the desire to see our team play good football that is pleasing on the eye. But you turn your views into negativity as you always do. Your repeated comments about David Moyes go beyond fair and reasonable criticism, as do Michael Kenrick's.
Before you both say I am just a lover of David Moyes, I am not ? I was critical of him too earlier this season, particularly his body language whilst on the touchline, until after he sorted out his contract. But I am prepared to take a balanced view about David Moyes ? the good points and the bad. You and Michael Kenrick do no such thing; your views lack any fairness and I continually disagree with the shite you repeatedly spew out. Remember after 3 games of this season you were saying after your anti-Moyes rant that you were not going to the match anymore.
I enjoy reading your posts, Tony, and long may they continue in whatever vein you choose. I support the view that it is healthy to debate issues affecting our club and that this website is the best place to do so. In that I agree with Michael Kenrick. I take issue with him in that he has lost his objectivity about David Moyes and given the role he has with ToffeeWeb I think he is in the wrong.
But basically I think you are just too negative and talk shite.
80 Posted 18/01/2009 at 21:40:54
There are plenty who think DM is doing a marvelous job and are grateful for anything above mid-table mediocrity. But their platitudes don?t change my opinion of him one bit.
He has confirmed he is still a jumped up PE Teacher whose hard work ethic destroys strikers, and whose emphasis on holding the line at all costs seriously detracts from creativity in front of gaol... and totally eliminates my particular favourite ? the breakaway goal. When did we last see Everton score a breakaway goal?
But I?m holding my counsel until the next two games. It is crucial that he sets up the team to approach these critical matches (for the fans, if not the club) in the right way... the "Everton Way" ? and not the David Moyes way exemplified in the last two dreadful derbies. I?ll be watching from my balanced perch... ready to spout forth either side of the fence based on how we play... not on the result, which may be hard for us to influence given the referee's undoubted bias, but how we play.
81 Posted 19/01/2009 at 09:46:54
My comment "talking shite" was not aimed at you but at Tony Marsh who I have disagreed with on virtually every occasion he posts.
My comments to you are really aimed at your objectivity concerning David Moyes (evidence - your personal snipe at him above) and our club in general. I genuinely think you have lost that and to do the great job you do I personally believe you should be objective and fair. I don?t believe you are and will continue to say so assuming I am allowed to contribute my views whether I agree with you or not.
Your views about "how we play" ? bit naive and idealistic don?t you think. West Brom play nice passing football but will probably finish bottom and get to play in the championship next season. Don?t get me wrong I hated the "hoofball" that Tony Marsh rightly referred to that we used earlier this season and on occasion last year. But come on football is about results ? that is what determines success ? not style. The ideal is to combine the 2 and few sides actually do that over a whole season. Do you really believe that if we go to Anfield ? play good football ? and get beat that our fans will accept that?? NO WAY.
I suppose it all comes down to what we want as individuals ? 1st priority for me is to win (especially against the RS) 2nd priority attractive football pleasing on the eye. The points are what is important to me and I believe that would apply to most football fans.
Like you I do want entertaining football tp be played by Everton ? but what exactly is that? Slick passing, Dribbling past the opposition, Powerful shots - yes to all of those. But what about a strong tackle like Phil Neville on Ronaldo or a team display of all out effort ? is?nt that also entertaining for fans too.
Your ideals are fine but impractical in my view. But footy is all about opinions and ToffeeWeb does a great service to us Blues by giving us the vehicle to debate/agree/disagree on all things Everton.
Tonight let us all hope for
1 An Everton win
2 A decent game of football
3 A fair Ref
4 No red cards
5 No moronic disgusting chants from them or us.
But if I can only have 1 of the above I want 3 points thanks very much.
82 Posted 20/01/2009 at 06:08:15
We still didn’t have much idea of what to do with the ball when we get possession, which is sad. It took us a while to get back into the game after the goal, and that’s the problem when the main preoccupation is defence at all costs, rather than a more sensible balance between defence (when you don’t have the ball) and attack (when you do).
Instead, as ever it seems, we were far too wasteful in possession. I think we’ll have to do something different if we are to win on Sunday, but I have no idea what these players can do. Perhaps another nice free-kick hammered in hard from out wide? Can’t see Liverpool falling for that one again!