I can't believe the way we played last night. It was horrible and standing in the away section, freezing my nuts off, I thought the missus has got it right. Emmerdale, Eastenders, Holly-fucking Oaks etc seemed a better choice for an evening's entertainment than this crap.
Why has Moyes started this idiotic idea of breaking up the best central defensive unit in the Premier League ? Lescott and Jagielka ? because his right back is out injured? What a fucking scandal. The whole balance of the side has been cocked up to accommodate Yobo... WHY? Jags looks lost at RB and is wasted there.
If your right back gets injured, find a solution to it... but whatever you do, don't start breaking up the solid foundations that was making this team what it has been for months now. It's just plain CRAZY!!! If Joey Yobo can play when unfit then why can't Lars Jacobsen??? Would Sir Alex break up Ferdinand and Vidic if he didn't have to? Would he Shite.
The ultra poor showing from some of our lot last night got me thinking. Certain things I don't like or have never liked seeing on a football pitch are: Alan Ball in an Arsenal kit; Howard Kendall in a Blackburn kit; Big Duncan Ferguson in a Newcastle kit; and Leon Osman in an Everton kit. I am sorry but Osman is shite and has been for years. Last night was a perfect example of how crap this lad is and it doesnt matter where he plays, out wide or in the middle, the outcome is the same. He gets steamrolled out of matches.
Osman might have quick feet, some of you say he has, but so has Lionel Blair and I don't want him running our midfield either. Division 1 is Osman's level ? not where he is now... and he should be sent packing as soon as possible.
As for that arse-licking twat Allardyce, I can't believe he was being touted for the England manager's job not so long ago. His team are the worst I have seen in many along year and I hope they go down. Fat Sam is so out of touch with football in the year 2009, having him run a football club is a bit like having that crappy 1970s pop group Showaddy Waddy performing at the MTV awards. Crepe-soled suedies, Teddyboy suits, Brylcream and Brut aftershave is what Sam's team are all about. Years behind the times... and they will never make a comeback once they are gone.
The run-in now appears as though it will take the form of so many other of our run-ins in recent years. Gruelling fights to the death with the direct route being taken. Route One will be the order of the day and necks will be sore.
The promise and belief of early January is now dissolving quicker than an Alka Seltzer tablet in a whino's belly. What the fuck has happened to us in just two weeks?? Surely we can't throw it all away yet again can we?
If we stick to what we are good at, which is staying solid at the back and trying to play proper footy farther down the pitch, then we will be alright. If we take the other road, which is tinkering with a settled side and playing Hoofball, we are Fucked. In fact, I don't think we can beat Boro on Sunday playing the way we did at Blackburn.
Solutions:Neville RB and Yobo dropped. Osman dropped in favour of Gosling... or even AvdM is worth a pop at this rate. Saha starts with Cahill playing off him. Rodwell, Pienaar, Fellaini making up the rest of midfield. Lescott and Jags back where they belong. Happy days all round. COYBs
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1 Posted 05/03/2009 at 16:05:02
I often see the guys pick at you for negativeness but this is a match that deserved it. We all want more because they have given us a good turn on a horrible start to the season. I fear the rest of the year is clinch and hold as I don’t think we have anyone close to being able to hold steady on the ball and pass to the right spot. It takes more than fancy footwork, it takes brains.
2 Posted 05/03/2009 at 16:10:20
But......your spot on with this mate. Especially concerning the breaking up of Jags & Lescott, I was disgusted by Moyes for doing that just to accomodate Yobo. I can only assume that he has done it for some kind of loyalty to the player or JY has been in his ear, either way it was a cowards way out, I am a Moyes fan but I wont blindly support everyone of his decisions and that is one of the worst of his tenure.
I am also in agreeance you views on Osman, not in the extreme. But I feel at best he is a squad player, cover, no more.
And we know the reason the performances have dipped, simply Arteta forces the main hoofballers (jags, Joey, Hbbo, Nev etc) to giv him the ball and proves that by doing this, we can retain posession and start attacks. It has to be up to the midfield to make the same demands. Baines isnt that much of a hoofer and the main reason for that is that Pienaar always wants the ball in front of him wheras Neville, Osman etc do not! Simple as........
Time for a few players to stand up & be counted.
P.S - Cant believe I am agreeing so wholheartedly with Marshy?? ha ha
3 Posted 05/03/2009 at 16:09:50
4 Posted 05/03/2009 at 16:07:25
At right back, he can't play Neville for the above reasons, he also clearly doesn?t trust Jacobsen (which can only be from training sessions) and Yobo can't play there ? therefore no choice again but to use Jags, which is where he got initial international recognition, when he was with Sheffield United.
As for hoofball, well I?m actually sure that they are not sent out to play it, but it?s the easy choice when you haven?t got anybody willing to take responsibility to get hold of the ball from our defenders and make things happen. None of the above midfielders mentioned have got that temperament (maybe Neville has, but not the ability) to dictate our play. I do believe Fellaini might just might have it in the future but at the moment he must be top of the ?what the hell I?m I doing here? pile. He gets switched positions every game, gets booked every game, and is struggling coming to terms with the pace of the Premier League.
As for the rest of the season, be prepared again for dull, boring, hoofball, 1-0 wins at home from set pieces, 0-0 away or loosing to the Chelsea, Villa?s and most probably Fulham games.
As far as the FA Cup, I suspect we can get past Middlesbrough, but if the other 3 semi-finalists are Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal then lets make the most of our semi-final trip to Wembley, as I suspect we won't get further.
As far as the league, we?ll finish 6th and qualify for Europe. Bearing in mind are disastrous pre-season and start to the campaign I?ll take 6th and a semi. But by god Moyes and Kenwright need to make sure that our pre-season is a good one hopefully with a new second midfield maestro and a pacey winger.
5 Posted 05/03/2009 at 16:27:38
We’ve lost arteta and anichibe that’s what. that’s why the footy’s suffering - if Moyes can fix it he will but you can’t expect him to stumble on a magic formula instantly.
I don’t like jags at right back neither and it was gutting watching the attacks break down with him again and again but Moyes sees the players in training - youse don’t. Maybe he decided that Jaccobson’s no good, maybe he thought that returning him just after injury against fat sam’s thugs was a stupid move. Coward’s way out!!! J L slap - have a fcuking word with yourself and a bit more respect for Moyes.
Osman’s been effective for us for years in away games against teams further down the table - he’s a proven prem player, maybe only a squad player but we could do with more like him
6 Posted 05/03/2009 at 16:21:13
7 Posted 05/03/2009 at 16:38:47
In the absense of a central MF player who is comfortable on the ball you need some width and creativity.
Solution = play Jags at RB???
I criticised DM after we drew 0-0 with 10 man Newcastle but last night was another joke.
What have Jacobsen,Gosling and VDM done to not deserve at least 15 minutes on the pitch.
It was obvious we set out to get a draw and no more but this ultra caution may yet cost us 6th place.
8 Posted 05/03/2009 at 16:26:29
9 Posted 05/03/2009 at 16:57:28
10 Posted 05/03/2009 at 17:00:55
11 Posted 05/03/2009 at 17:19:04
12 Posted 05/03/2009 at 17:37:07
13 Posted 05/03/2009 at 17:43:53
Give me a break
14 Posted 05/03/2009 at 17:41:32
We?ll never learn to love it but needs must......
15 Posted 05/03/2009 at 17:51:29
Please don’t disgrace yourselves by calling Moyes a coward. He makes decisions and ultimately has to stand by them which to me is a lot less cowardly than coming on here ranting like you’ve got all the answers. Let’s face it Tony, you’ve had to eat your words on more than one occasion lately.
I agree it was painful, I agree we didn’t play well, but some of you lot really think you have all the answers. So he splits up the defensive partnership and puts Jagielka at RB. Did we concede? Away from Home? How many chances did they have? Shots on target?
I understand the argument that Jags doesn’t give us anything going forward, but the other options were a) play Pip at RB and face the real risk of being overrun in midfield, or b) play Jacobson at RB - a player who has not played at all in the Prem, has just come back from injury, and away at a side who are known for playing rough. I don’t know about you guys, but I would prefer to experiment with new players at home.
It’s all ifs and buts, yet some of you point these issues out as if you know full well it would have worked done your way. Very confident of you and easy when you don’t have to stand by it like Moyes does. Just get back onto FM, winning everything. It’s easy this football management lark.
I was disappointed that we couldn’t close the gap further, and yes it was a great opportunity, but that doesn’t make it easy. We all go on about what a great player Arteta is, yet some seem to think we shouldn’t miss him! WHAT?
The performance was poor and even facing Boro we will need a lot more to get to the semis. Over recent years teams battling relegation have often reached the latter stages of the domestic cups, so we must not take them lightly. However, after the horror of losing Arteta, I’m actually quite pleased at getting 5 points from 1 home and 2 away games. Not pretty granted, but still moving in the right direction for me.
16 Posted 05/03/2009 at 18:09:41
Have to agree with Tony regarding Osman though, who was a complete non entity last night. Jo was useless also, can’t hold the ball up and dreadfull first touch.
On the positive side, Saha looks lively again and must start on Sunday with Jo cup-tied, (thankfully). Cahill in behind him, a midfield without Osman and Lescott & Jags back in the centre.
We live and hope.
17 Posted 05/03/2009 at 18:19:40
18 Posted 05/03/2009 at 18:27:55
19 Posted 05/03/2009 at 18:28:16
Drop Rodwell, put either pienaar or Osman in front of the defensive midfielder with Gosling on the wing. I'd even try Gosling in the middle, with he's forward runs and shots on goal from outside the box.
20 Posted 05/03/2009 at 19:06:42
Is he scared of Yobo putting in a transfer request in the summer due to a lack of first team football, so he takes every possible opportunity to give him a start!??
Don?t break up Jags and Lescott! Consistency, consistency, Moyes, you muppet!
21 Posted 05/03/2009 at 19:47:18
While I would not pick Jags for right back, I think we should remember that the player himself was very happy to play there for England when he first got called up, I seem to remember his debut going rather well.
"Consistency, consistency, Moyes, you muppet!" To be fair, Moyes has consistently baffled us with his selections and he has consistently made our team difficult to beat; last night was no exception, so why the fuss? 2 bad games and 4 pts!!!
22 Posted 05/03/2009 at 20:05:45
Change the record lad. Last night’s game was crap but the pitch was a nightmare and we did try to play when we could but Allardyce squeezed an already narrow pitch.
Wish you were in charge you make it all sound so easy.
Roll on Sunday - COYB!
23 Posted 05/03/2009 at 19:57:05
24 Posted 05/03/2009 at 19:51:43
No doubt no one will name Yobo, but he?ll play... and many people will name AVDM and he won't.
25 Posted 05/03/2009 at 20:21:07
It's the simple things that Moyes seems to overlook that more times than not cost us. The Lescott - Jagz situation is one thing, the poor use of the subs at Newcastle who were down to 10 men another. Even the subs last night had me scratching my head. Rodwell taken off Osman left on??? Cahill pushed deeper; ADVM and Gosling left on the bench; Osman left on the pitch??? Jo given way too long when obviously struggling etc etc etc. Exactly the same at St James Park 2 weeks ago.
Villa are slipping, Arsenal are treading water and we are making no in-roads. As I said, it's not all bad but it could be way better that's all.
26 Posted 05/03/2009 at 20:31:40
As for the rest of your proposed team, no real argument. I think he’s keeping Neville in midfield due to loss of Arteta and lack of character/spunk with others.
Problem last night, and Newcastle, was being too stretched too many times and asking far too much of the forwards due to midfield going missing. We need to put together a midfield that can work in concert to compensate for loss of the main man.
Personally I ’d consider opting for a 3-5-2 if Hibbert is unfit, with Jobo joining the 2 centre backs and Gosling/AVDM, Fellaini, Neville, Pienaar, Baines.
Last 2 away games were definitely there for taking, so 4 pts lost. Had we held on against Arsenal for another 30 seconds too then we’d be a point behind Villa. We’ve fallen on to the back foot in those 2 games & especially in midfield. Moyes HAS to re-connect the team. Arteta is irreplaceable, so we need to think outside the box. To me that say maybe 3-5-2 to give us an extra man in the middle (where it matters).
Squeaky bum time.
27 Posted 05/03/2009 at 20:35:13
I went last night as well and had a bad feeling about it, but fair play to the lads that played, they dug in and got a result. So onwards and upwards to Sunday and Boro who I think we?ll do comfortably.
28 Posted 05/03/2009 at 21:08:20
Plus "dissolving quicker than an Alka Seltzer tablet in a whino?s belly" is a great quote.
29 Posted 05/03/2009 at 21:07:26
Methinks he is resigned to 6th in the league and wants to save our best for the FA Cup run. If we play like this against Boro Sunday I will blow a gasket as well but I think that, on a bad pitch with injuries and inexperience all around, Moyes took a conservative approach and secured a point in what could easily have been a "trap" fixture.
30 Posted 05/03/2009 at 20:47:17
May I express my agreement with you.
I am a fourth generation Evertonian (52 years a season ticket holder) and my children and grand nephews are fifth and sixth generations respectively.
Please forgive my IT ineptness.
The great Everton sides have been built on solid defence:
1939 - Sagar and T. G. Jones
1963 - West/Dunlop and Labone
1970 - West and Labone/Kenyon/ Hurst
1980’s - Southall and Ratcliffe/Mountfield/Watson
The fullbacks speak for themselves - Parker, Wilson, Newton, Brown, Wright, Stevens, Van Den Hawe etc.
The defence we have today is collectively, although not individually, is as good as any of those great defences. Witness the statistics.
As Mr. Marsh implores, please don’t fool around with the Defence. The rest will do as well as it can given the circumstances.
We haven’t got Tommy Lawton, Alex Young, Alan Ball or Graeme Sharp in our side at the moment but we have got a superb manager and some good players so let us all relax and enjoy whatever we achieve.
Please don’t despair. Despite the horrific injuries, this is the best chance we have of success for some time.
Believe me, I’ve been here before and we will achieve again in accordance with our wonderful history.
Kind regards from an old get!
31 Posted 05/03/2009 at 20:58:39
Castillo is an Ecuadorian international and is not Premiership standard.
Also why does Osman continually get slated while Van der Meyde gets an easy ride. In four years the guy has creamed us for millions we do not have and contributed a few crosses.
Yet he still gets mentioned by countless posters as our potential survivor as if he is going to swagger on and beat the opposition single handed.
He has been eclipsed and shown up by a teenager from Devon who runs more in one match than the Dutchman has in his entire Everton career.
32 Posted 05/03/2009 at 21:27:06
33 Posted 05/03/2009 at 21:47:06
Now everyone is wanting Andy V der M in; he wouldn?t last 10 minutes, let's be real. The same with Gosling; he?s played 2 games on a high and really struggled since ? Newcastle, West Brom ? although he?s young enough to improve.
So what we are left with is tried and trusted players that Moyes is using: Yobo, Neville, Osman etc... Maybe they are squad players... but times like these (no Arteta, Yakubu, Anichebe, Hibbert, Vaughan..) are made for squad players.
34 Posted 05/03/2009 at 21:50:17
As Marsh said it is the small simple things that Moyes costs us. Splitting up your best defensive partnership youve had for Yobo really is baffling, but typical of the bloke. Yobo isnt good enough to warrant breaking up that partnership. And what will happen when all defenders are fit, what then? We know Neville will never be dropped but it seems Yobo sooner or later has to regain his place.
And speaking of untouchables Osman is sure that. What exactly has he done to deserve the status afforded to him. 1 goal in 5 months is hardly ground breaking stuff. And Jo?s debut must have been a fluke cause ever since he?s looked woeful with an incredibly bad touch. While the heart says the cup is ours this year, the head has overrulled it and we will crash out of the cup Sunday and then fall apart. A power struggle to retain 6th spot is what it clearly is. A long hard end to this season is what it's going to be.
35 Posted 05/03/2009 at 22:27:13
We lack creativity in midfield so keeping Neville there isn’t going to help. He has been brilliant in midfield but as a defensive partner for Arteta.
Hoofball won’t catch Arsenal. Even if we don’t go higher up the ladder I’d rather see us finish the season playing football.
36 Posted 05/03/2009 at 22:45:29
Neville Jags lescott Baines (Made up the lad has cemented his place)
Gosling Rodwell Fellaini Pienaar
Imagine we had a full strengh squad to choose from though...
Hibbert Jagz Lescott Baines
Gosling Rodwell Arteta Pienaar
Arteta and Yakubu are sorely missed, but we still have enough to achieve something this season, especially with the tremendous team spirit you can see.
37 Posted 05/03/2009 at 22:54:53
Osman could fill in the Arteta role in center-mid, he did well in center-mid last season, he played there last season for a spell when we played some of our best football in years, i.e. Sunderland.
You can't criticise the decision to play jags at right back when the 2 times he's played there this season we?ve kept clean sheets away from home.
38 Posted 05/03/2009 at 23:08:07
Rodwell ? you have got to be joking, this kid has not a clue, he was lost again last night, and to me I have seen nothing at all that tells me that this central defender will ever make a midfielder.
Moyes put him in their last night as the potential playmaker in midfield, he did not make one decent pass all night, always our of position and never once dropped back to demand the ball from defence to start a move.
I would be very disappointed if this guy started on Sunday, in fact I would put money on it he won't.
Hope he proves me wrong but I doubt it very much.
39 Posted 05/03/2009 at 23:10:44
We can debate forever whether we agree with every selection, I don?t! But we are currently 6th, after one of the worst starts to a season you could have had. The loss of Arteta has been felt as profoundly as any I can remember ? Southall? Heath? Who else has had as much influence as our favourite Basque? Personally, if we hang on to our current position, we will have done well this season.
40 Posted 05/03/2009 at 23:49:24
It’s easy being Tony Marsh, harping on with the benefit of hindsight - able to say I told you so when he’s right (it has been known) - and able to disappear when he’s wrong (as in recent weeks).
I’m sorry Tony - reality check for you here and it might come as a shock to you, but Moyes does know more than you. You critisize substitutions all the time, but you don’t know who’s carrying a slight knock, who’s running out of steam etc.
I remember a while ago you saying how you knew Cahill would get injured if he stayed on the pitch (oh - with the benefit of hindsight and seeing him hobble off the pitch). You said that you would "never forgive Moyes" if Timmy had a bad injury and was out for a while.
But he was back the next game and fighting fit... So you were wrong and Moyes wasn’t. He has the benefit of interacting with the players - finding out how they’re feeling physically and you don’t.
Harping on with your "why did he do this" - "why didn’t he do that" nonsense gets very boring every time we don’t win! You do not know everything. You seem to think you do. Stop it!
41 Posted 06/03/2009 at 00:19:13
Villa now have 52 and Arsenal 49 so both would need a maximum of 5 wins to finish above us at the end of the season.
We are very unlikely to win more than 5 times in the remaining games something we last achieved this in 1995-96 .
So sixth is the best we can hope for.
42 Posted 06/03/2009 at 00:45:18
Agree with the point about central defence-the performances of Jags and Lescott have been the foundations and that should be left alone. Think you?re harsh on Osman as I think he adds creativity and with Arteta gone we lack there. Don?t forget, the lad is still short of match fitness and in fairness has probably been rushed back. You can?t have it both ways-we either try to players on the park who can play or we play the hoof ball you always complain about. Lets be honest, Blackburn are never great to play against and now even worse as Allardyce turns them into his new Bolton. Don?t forget it takes 2 teams to make a football match.
43 Posted 06/03/2009 at 00:41:10
44 Posted 06/03/2009 at 01:21:49
My take on accommodating Yobo is to keep him match fit when the inevitable happens: Jags and Lescott get injured.
45 Posted 06/03/2009 at 01:30:45
And you are right about Osman. The little fella had a stretch about two months ago when he really looked the business for about six games, but starting with the trio of derby matches (as you correctly predicted) he has just disappeared. His touch would shame an amateur, he telegraphs his every intention and his influence on matches is non-existent. Jesus, we could put Manny Fernandes to good use right about now.
I don?t mean to be such a pessimist, and I think we will win on Sunday, but frankly, I?ll be surprised if we win four of our remaining league fixtures.
Not that I?m giving up, mind you. I just booked my plane ticket and I?ll be at Goodison for the Spurs and Shiteh games in May. The last time I was at Mecca was Xmas ?86. As my granddad said, when I come home Everton win things.
46 Posted 06/03/2009 at 01:20:24
While I agree that Moyes is trying to stick with the tried and trusted players and even if it isn?t pretty we?ll try to nick wins here & there. However, surely it is a good idea to try to give some of the fringe players some game time in the first team and/or reserves. Why wasn?t Shandy Andy brought on for 15 mins v Newcastle? Why have Shandy, Castillo, Jacobsen not played any reserve games recently?
47 Posted 06/03/2009 at 01:37:12
We are now resigned to playing out our remaining games twatting the ball upfield hoping something might happen instead of seizing the opportunity in front of us & making something happen. As ever Moyes promises so much but once the chips are down we fall apart. The really sad part is that 12 months from now we?ll be having the same arguments.
48 Posted 06/03/2009 at 02:16:59
What’s next build the midfield around Shandy and Jack Rodwell? FFS we have done phenomenally well to cope with what have effectively been season-ending or nearabouts that injuries to Yakubu, Arteta (our most natural playmaker), Anichebe (who adds pace down the right when called upon) and Vaughan who’s an exciting prospect to throw on. We’ve also had not-insubstantial injuries to Pienaar and Osman cropping up throughout the season.
We’ve done fantastically well to build up the away win record we’ve got. We’ve gone some way to restoring Goodison to fortress status and we’ve started to blood the future players that we need as a budget-conscious team have to home grow - Gosling and Rodwell with time can be fantastic players. I’m a fan of Osman, but Gosling has the potential to be a much better player in 5-6 years if he can keep his head and learn from Leon and Tim.
What we need are fans who don’t get on the players backs when they’ve gone out and slugged hard for 95 mintues against a bloody pig-headed, dirty Big Sam team that’s out to do damage and play negative football.
We can’t be expected to play flowing football when we’re missing our best players and our defensive midfield dynamo is Jack Rodwell! We did well all things considered to get a point against a very hard-edged side. Big Sam teams are what the media sometimes try to cast Everton as - an old school, do what it takes to grind out a draw or a lucky win team.
We have a crop of quality players who are highly motivated. We’ll never be a pretty football side like Arsenal or have the luxury of being spoilt for choice between clinical finishers like Berbatov and ’fan favourite’ flair players like Tevez to put out. but we have players like Cahill and when fit again Arteta who’ve got fire in their bellies.
Please try and see the positives with this season. It’s easy to carp from the sides when we don’t play a side off the pitch, but saying Moyes is a coward, is just beneath contempt. He’s been willing to gives Baines a regular staring place, showing he’s not pig-headed like some say, he’s giving Rodwell and Gosling a chance to really show what they can do, and he’s even take the ’gamble’ of letting Shandy Andy back in for cameos.
In short while his team are never going to be greatest attacking football candidates in youtube rankings, Moyes is creative and adaptive. He’s an innovator who doesn’t talk endlessly about his changes. He lets the performances of his players when they beat the likes of Villa and Liverpool speak for him.
49 Posted 05/03/2009 at 14:04:01
Failing that, does anyone know why he can't even get on the pitch for more than 10 mins? Moyes is useless with his substitutes. I'm sure unless through injury or going a goal down he would prefer not to use any...
50 Posted 06/03/2009 at 07:28:59
51 Posted 06/03/2009 at 08:24:15
Main point was that the thing to castigate Moyes for (if at all) is failure to bring in more creative players as cover. Right now there simply aren?t great options to provide a balanced midfield.
52 Posted 06/03/2009 at 08:35:29
53 Posted 06/03/2009 at 10:40:16
It would be a treasue for us to be "last team standing" in the FA cup this year and see Neville lift the trophy, but in all seriousness I fear the closest we will get to see the FA cup this season, is if they have a power cut on Match of the Day, and someone shines a flashlight on Lineker.
54 Posted 06/03/2009 at 10:43:20
"Untried in the Premier League" is nonsense. He can only get used to the change of pace etc if he does play. Newcastle was the perfect opportunity to give him a go ? then WBA then Blackburn. If he had been given the chance against Newcastle and ? shock, horror ? played well, he would be match fit now.
As said above Sir Alex does not split his centre-halves. We all want a squad and when we have a like for like replacement at right back we do not use him.
I feel sorry for Jacobsen especially with a World Cup coming up. He wants to play and play well, for Everton and to make the national team for what will probably be his last chance at the World Cup ? so the incentive is there. The decision is accomodate Yobo is baffling. In a squad when you are coming back from injury you usually have to wait for your place to become open if the one you are replacing are playing well. Otherwise what is the point ?
If you were in Jacobsen?s shoes you would be insulted and frustrated and have every right to wonder what you are doing at a club that will not even give you a chance, if only for 45 mins. Yobo could have come on at any time over the past 3 games if Jacobsen was not up to the job.
As said, baffling.
55 Posted 06/03/2009 at 11:46:21
And we all appreciate what we have achieved giving the injury crisis but that does not mean we cannot debate certain decisions that were made regarding team selection and how, for the majority of the game, we could not pass the ball to a team mate.
FA Cup quarter final next match, so understandable that the players may have had one eye on Sunday and did not want to get injured etc.
56 Posted 06/03/2009 at 12:00:54
He got released from Nurnberg and FC Copenhagen were hardly snapping at their heels to sign him to a contract even though he trained the whole summer.
I’ve got nowt against him, no great indication that he’s another VDM, but he’s been out for a long time and many players develop long term mental blocks on extended runs in the team after a serious injury. The shoulder was a freak accident maybe, and its a shame for the guy, but I tend to trust Moyes’ appraisal of his players. For all we know he’d been privately as outspoken as he was in public about squad selection - maybe the other defenders don’t want to work with him if he’s whining.
A lot of you don’t like Yobo, and he’s certainly not a Jags or Lescott, but he’s been solid and largely dependable over the years for us. Maybe his career hasn’t lived up to the early promise, but his mistakes are few and far between when looked at over a whole season basis. Lescott by his own admission was making school boy errors at the start of the season. But no one flags them up.
We’d all like Jags back in the centre, but Moyes has to make the judgment as to the players game fittness - both physically AND mentally - if their composure and attitude isn’t right then he’s right to leave them on the bench. That’s what I suspect may be the issue with Lars.
57 Posted 06/03/2009 at 12:35:31
I actually thought Jags was Ok at right back - got forward a few times and was sharp to react to set up the Pienaar chance. Ideally he would stay in the middle but we arent exactly in ideal times with the level of injuries
I also thought Joey got caught sleeping and on the wrong side of his man on at least 3 occasions - a couple of times he recovered the situation with his pace but against better strikers he could have been punished
58 Posted 06/03/2009 at 12:38:39
I believe that hoofball will be enough to get us past Boro. We are solid enough at the back and on set-pieces are a threat - provided Alan Wiley isn’t refereeing.
However, a safety-first attitude with 6 defenders and too many players playing out of position is not going to get us any further in the Cup. Defending deep and whacking the ball 40 yards will be meat and drink to messrs Ferdinand, Vidic, Terry, Toure or whoever else makes the semis. All of the likely contenders will also have attacks with enough quality to put us under serious pressure unless we ourselves try and keep the ball further up the field.
In the league, 3 points for a win mean that you will collect as many points winning 1 out of 3 as drawing all 3. Safety-first might keep you unbeaten for the rest of the season but it is unlikely to win you many more points.
I am not asking that we go gung-ho as we don’t have the players, outside the excellent first 11 Moyes has crafted, to do so.
However, I believe playing 6 defenders is also pointless.
With 6th place largely wrapped up (I think we need 4 wins out of the last 10) we have an opportunity to rotate the squad and bring in AvDM, Jacobsen and Castillo, and heck, even Baxter.
We should try and stick to 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 provided in both cases we have proper full backs trying to attack down both sides.
Come on Moyesy, we can afford a few risks. after Sunday, lets abandon safety-first and hoofball and have a proper go for the rest of the season. As for the Boro game, I don’t care how we play, as we should have enough to get past them
59 Posted 06/03/2009 at 13:31:39
Lets get this straight - Jags is our player of the season, because he is a superb centre back. He is not a rb, or a holding midfielder. The hoofball has started again because Yobo is back!!! He has no composure and lumps it nearly every time. Moyes should not just try to accomodate him.
I also have an issue with slagging off osman. He is probably our most creative player at the moment and therefore should be played in the centre. Arteta was rubbish early season - why? because we played him on the wing!
Finally I pray we don’t sign Jo - He really is a waste of space. Saha, if kept fit could take us all the way to Wembley - COYB!!!!
60 Posted 06/03/2009 at 15:55:33
61 Posted 06/03/2009 at 16:45:40
The problem isnt the defence, its the fact that we have been ravaged by injuries to a worse extent than anyone in the prem and have lost our best player and playmaker in arteta. But lets kill the pessimism a little bit, osman and pienarr will create oppurtunities but they’ve only just come back into the side and need a bit of time. Van der Meyde isnt the answer either, if anyone still thinks his prem quality they need there head checking. And Saha will play instead of Jo when fit, Moyes obviously didnt want to risk him considering his lengthy injury lay off from the start against blackburn cons his fitness and the fact that he is the only available striker for our FA cup game. Everyone needs to look at the season as whole, not a couple of games where we havent played well. The fact that we are where we are at the moment considering our summer spending and cons the injuries we’ve had is nothing short of remarkable.
And one last thing, get off Moyes back. His had a 35million net outlay since he took over and in that time has taken us from Material to top six team pushing the established top four. Compare that to all the money our rivals have spent and it doesnt even come near. Teams have drops in form, even the likes of united and chelsea. Doesn’t mean you should rant on with crazy comments made on the spur of the moment. To be honest some of stuff written by some is embarrasing and it would a good idea to consider the money spent by us under Moyes and, in the context of the season, just how many injuries we’ve had this year. Despite that, we are sixth(only 7 off villa with a fair better run in) and in a fa cup quarter final that we will probaly win.
62 Posted 07/03/2009 at 02:06:10
I agree 100%. I was flabbergasted Wednesday. WHY do you seperate Jags and Lescott?? Neville had a few go rounds at RB and looked superlative! WHY is Jags at RB?? It?s seriously mind-boggling! I hope our back 4 on Sunday is Neville, Jags, Lescott, Baines ? why mess with that? Neville and Hibbert are interchangable parts. Yobo into central defense is a tinker and ill-advised when we were a brick wall back there! Ozzy needs out. Gosling in.
Right on the mark Tony, dead on!
63 Posted 07/03/2009 at 05:06:38
Forgetting the injuries and the numbers we have available, do we honestly believe that the team is told to knock it up to the front man for a lay off? Well... I do. After 10 mins you could see this was the tactic with Yobo, Jags, Neville all by-passing midfield.
I don't believe the loss of Arteta should dictate that we by-pass midfield but that's what's happening. With or without Arteta we have played some great football this season, but we slowly seem to be retreating into the bunker mentality of Hoof. This is a clear directive from Moyes.
If it isn?t, he is tactically inept. Either way, it's wrong. This is exactly why there was so much anger at the beginning of the season. It was the way they had been told to play.
It's one thing having a great defence but it's quite another to set your stall out as if it's the only thing you have.
I agree with Tony on this post: bad night, bad tactics, bad team selection, bad game, bad old days revisited. If you're going to play strikers don?t give them a 20% chance of getting the ball, leave them on their own or make them run the channels...
It does not show pragmatism, it shows a lack of conviction, faith, trust and belief in the players to play. In Moyes we trust?
64 Posted 07/03/2009 at 14:14:14
0-0 at Blackburn is a good result, especially considering that we were missing so many players. It wasn't easy for us to play football, the conditions weren't great and they were closing down like crazy and our best passers in midfield (save for arteta obviously) have only just come back into the team following injury.
How about trying not to draw conclusions on a couple of games since Arteta has been injured and games where we remained unbeaten. Unrealistic views about this club drawn from past heroics, crazy expectations or just plan stupidity isnt good for this club.
As I?ve said before, Moyes has moved us from a seriously relegation threatened club to a top six team pushing the top four with a net spend of £35million and for doing that he deserves EVERY Everton fan?s trust and support.
65 Posted 08/03/2009 at 00:04:58
I dont think playing Gosling would of done much would it... I mean really he is kid who scored a goal that we will all remember ? but saying he is a better option to Osman is just ridiculous.
One bad game ? while we try to find our feet after the Arteta loss and its both feet full in (nolan style) on Moyes.